Dangers of silver nanoparticles in food and air

[blufire]

I made the following post regarding Mike Adams of Natural News on this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...044#post846044

Re: Do vaccines contribute to autism? Should we vaccinate?

I have gotten to the point that I do not trust Mike Adams of Natural News. I now take anything he writes with a huge grain of rock salt and skepticism. There have been many articles and research he has done the last year (or more) that was deceptive, sensational and full of scare tactics . . . . to increase the sales from his website? My guess would be a HUGE yes.

With respect to Onawah because I know she is providing us with info it is my opinion Mike Adams’ articles should be read with caution . . . . below are a couple of examples from the article on why I feel this way.

From Adams report:

As I wrote last year, " In order to do this, Merck spiked the blood test with animal antibodies in order to artificially inflate the appearance of immune system antibodies."

From the False Claims Act complaint:

Merck also added animal antibodies to blood samples to achieve more favorable test results, though it knew that the human immune system would never produce such antibodies, and that the antibodies created a laboratory testing scenario that "did not in any way correspond to, correlate with, or represent real life ... virus neutralization in vaccinated people," according to the complaint.

My response:

In today’s science and technology and research it would be obvious very quickly with the most basic of blood tests if ‘animal antibodies’ had been added to blood samples. There is a clear distinction between animal and human blood and dna. If Merck had done this it would have been spotted with very little effort. Most importantly Merck would not be so stupid as to try something such as this

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From Adams article:

As Natural News previously exposed, the vaccine industry was caught shipping live viruses to vaccine manufacturers of flu vaccines in 18 countries.
This was done by none other than Baxter International, Inc. one of the top suppliers of "weakened" flu virus material for use in vaccines. Except in this case, they weren't weakened. Vaccines made with this material simply gave people the flu!

My response:

This is another clear example of Adams causing fear or just flat out wrong information or to give him a little leeway maybe he simply just doesn’t have a clue or understanding of basic science.
Of course ‘live viruses’ was shipped to manufacturing plants. These are labs were the vaccine are MANUFACTURED so of course the viruses have to be alive so more can be grown to produce the different flu vaccines

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Again I want to be clear as in my above post (#32) that I DO NOT agree with using vaccines as they are generally used. Use common sense and don’t be afraid to refuse or ask that the protocol (if you HAVE to be vaccinated) be altered to give your body time to adjust to a vaccination.

Be logical . . . . not fearful.

Just like Adams’ info and article regarding ‘vaccinations’ this article and info is loaded with misinformation, lies and flat out incorrect science and application of that science.

He did a video and expose’ on McDonald’s chicken nuggets a few months back and I laughed so hard at what he was saying and showing in the video that it made my sides hurt. In this video he was focusing and magnifying the ‘blue-black specks and hair-like strands’ in the nuggets and calling them something like morgellons fibers (I think) or something outlandishly evil. My thought was good lord obviously the man has never deep fried anything and seen the little burnt food particles and grease.

It makes me angry and sad that so many people are putting such great faith and belief into what he says.

He is very talented in taking information and spinning into whatever he needs to benefit the articles and videos and puts out and make them appear accurate. Just be aware.

[onawah]

As I said in the OP, Natural News is not always accurate, but they are pointed in the right direction, at least.
Most of the info is aimed at alerting people to the dangers of mainstream misinfo and providing info about alternative options.
BTW, Adams is not adverse to colloidal silver at all. See:
http://www.naturalnews.com/027474_co...tibiotics.html

What Merck and Baxter did regarding vaccines has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, so I will ask Blufire to kindly refrain from attempts, however unintentional they may be, to derail this thread.
Perhaps you would like to start another, separate thread about Mike Adams and Natural News, or post more about that subject on the existing thread that you referenced about that subject.

Many thanks to Bob for the following, which is very helpful to this discussion, imho, and brings us back to the real subject at hand:

Posted by Bob (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Monatomic silver and colloidal silver are two different things, and Carmody says that colloidal silver is only good if you take it immediately after it is made.
The stuff they are talking about in the OP is not freshly made!
NaturalHealth 365 is a part of Mike Adams' Natural News network, and while their info isn't always completely accurate, it is usually pointed in the right direction, at least.

That IS exactly the point, and freshly made is high in silver oxide and silver chloride.

Pure silver or pure any nanoparticle pure reactive nanoparticles and one is calling for danger. The particles made with electrolyzers are not nano sized pure METAL..

Look at the nanoparticle threads, there are a few of them now that show differences..

Carbon nano particles are more prevalent than lead, or aluminum or copper or silver present in the environment.

Any NANO particle ingestion is dangerous, or exposure.

Colloidal silver is way way way larger than pure nano-metals.

[Hervé]

Posted by onawah (here)
As I said in the OP, Natural News is not always accurate, but they are pointed in the right direction, at least.
Most of the info is aimed at alerting people to the dangers of mainstream misinfo and providing info about alternative options.
BTW, Adams is not adverse to colloidal silver at all. See:
[...]

Would there be some confusion as to which website and respective owner is saying what?

Posted by onawah (here)
This looks very bad, especially as these particles destroy beneficial gut bacteria and cause problems with breathing. No doubt they are in chemtrails too....

http://www.naturalhealth365.com/food_news/silver-nanoparticles-1051.html

[IMG]http://Wed. Jun. 25, 2014 by Jonathan Landsman
Dangerous Toxins Found in Food Supply (NaturalHealth365) You can’t see, smell or taste them...

[...]

- See more at: http://www.naturalhealth365.com/food....81l5kcGk.dpuf

[Hervé]

Here is an excerpt from Carmody's OP:

Posted by Carmody (here)
Stolen from another thread, a post by me that I think needs it's own thread, so it is seen and can benefit more people.

colloidal silver. Or..Monatomic silver? The actual point behind colloidal silver is the smaller the particle, the more effective it is. Same for herbals, for the very same reason, in some cases.

[...]

What I mean, is you put the electrodes in the water, distilled water, super clean, no minerals, no bits, no micro particles, etc. This allows the pH to be neutral at the start..and then the particles of silver made under very weak levels of voltage will be truly nano and monatomic, so the mix is exactly as effective as it has to be. The reason the water must be free of any contaminants is so the montomics form freely, in the proper shape and bond only with the water molecules.

[...]

As for getting silver chlorides out of electrolysis in distilled water... hmmm...

[onawah]

NaturalHealth365.com, as I stated in the OP, is an offshoot of Natural News, and is a regular offering to the Natural News newsletter email list.

But it's certainly worth noting, if you read the whole article and the list of references at the bottom which are: References:
http://www.care2.com/causes/5-reason...d-clothes.html
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/anti...ealth/nano.php
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0314100416.htp
http://sciencenordic.com/silver-nano...llular-changes
...that there is scientific basis for concern about this nanotechnology in the articles linked, such as the research done at a University in Denmark cited here:
http://sciencenordic.com/silver-nano...llular-changes
which states:

Researchers from the University of Southern Denmark are concerned by the results of a new study on silver nanoparticles. The particles are so small that thousands of them can fit on a human hair. It is also known that silver is toxic to bacteria.

Clothing manufacturers use silver nanoparticles in some exercise clothing for precisely this anti-bacterial effect, to limit odours.

The Danish researchers studied how intestinal cells are affected by contact with the nanoparticles. They believe that the particles may come into contact with these cells in humans.

More free radicals are formed
Researcher Frank Kjeldsen stresses that solid silver does not pose any danger.

“But when you break the metal down to the nano level, the particles may penetrate the cell wall. This can cause cellular changes,” Kjeldsen said in a statement.

Only the smallest particles seemed to be able to enter the cells. There, the researchers found that they caused the formation of more so-called free radicals. These are oxygen compounds produced naturally in the body as a result of energy metabolism, but they can do harm if the amount increases.

“We also saw that both the shape and the amount of proteins changed. This worries us,” according to Kjeldsen and his colleague Thiago Verano-Braga.

Silver is among the most common substances used for nanoparticles. Other uses for silver nanoparticles include deodorants, food packaging, beverage bottles, bandages and refrigerators.

“Worrying”
Several serious diseases have been linked to the overproduction of free radicals, including various forms of cancer, and Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.

The risk posed by silver nanoparticles remains unclear, however.

Thiago Verano-Braga. (Photo: University of Southern Denmark)
So far there has not been much research on the subject. There are simply no certain answers. Kjeldsen and Verano-Braga emphasize that their investigation has been carried out on human cells in a laboratory, not in cells in living bodies.

Therefore, they can't say how many particles a person can tolerate before the particles cause changes in their cells.

“We can't conclude that silver nanoparticles cause illness. But we can urge caution, and the overproduction of free radicals is worrying," the researchers said.

Will end up in the water
The use of silver nanoparticles may also affect the environment. For example, when clothing containing the particles is washed, the particles end up in wastewater. Silver is quite stable and can cause problems in ecosystems or agricultural land over the long term.

The Swedish researcher Richard Arvidsson, from Chalmers University of Technology, has previously undertaken a study of nano silver in clothing and in sludge at a wastewater treatment plant in Gothenburg.

“Clothing is a major source of releases of silver nanoparticles. If their use continues to increase, it could have serious environmental consequences,” Arvidsson has stated.

A Norwegian study conducted in 2011 has also shown that nanoparticles are acutely toxic to juvenile salmon. Effects were measured at only 20 micrograms per liter. One microgram is one millionth of a gram.

and these http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0822194530.htm and http://www.care2.com/causes/5-reason...d-clothes.html ...which states:

Scientists at the University of Missouri College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources have now found a reliable method to detect silver nanoparticles in fresh produce and other food; their findings suggest why we should be concerned about the pervasiveness of nanoparticles.

Scientist Mengshi Lin and his colleagues tested the extent to which silver nanoparticles remain as a residue on and even penetrate into the pulp of fresh fruit. They immersed the pears in a nanosilver solution that is similar to a pesticide application and repeatedly washed and rinsed them. After four days, the nanoparticles remained attached to the skin of the pears and had also become embedded into their pulp.

“The penetration of silver nanoparticles is dangerous to consumers because they have the ability to relocate in the human body after digestion. Therefore, smaller nanoparticles may be more harmful to consumers than larger counterparts,” says Lin.

Nanoparticles are used in more and more products. Currently, the Environmental Protection Agency has given silver nanoparticles a ”conditional” registration but without putting them through the full range of required tests,” to the concern of scientists and consumer and environmental advocates.”

Here are five reasons to be wary of nanoparticles:

1. After they are ingested, nanoparticles get into the blood and lymph system. They can then circulate through the body and make their way to such potentially sensitive sites as the spleen, brain, liver and heart.

2. There is no labeling system for nanoparticles and therefore no way to alert the public to any potential risks to us or to the environment.

3. If you have any athletic clothing said to have “antimicrobial properties” — and able to block UV rays and not absorb smells — such apparel contains silver nanoparticles or titanium dioxide. These could seep into your sweat and be absorbed into your body via your skin.

4. Washing clothing containing nanoparticles results in them seeping into the environment with unknown effects, according to a 2009 study. As EcoWatch points out, conventional water treatment plants are not able to filter out the tiny particles. Some research has linked them to deformities in fish and immune suppression in earthworms.

5. Silver nanoparticles are increasingly used in food packaging and can migrate into the products we eat. As the nanoparticles are in the packaging, their presence is not noted on any labeling.

Our lack of knowledge about nanoparticles is definitely a reason to eat organic fruits and vegetables, as EcoWatch says. While the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Organic Program has not initiated any regulations about nanoparticles, the National Organic Standards Board placed a general ban over nanotechnology in 2010. Look for USDA organic certified produce so you don’t end up with pears or apples with the unseen silvery residue of nanoparticles.

Note the list of references from this link: http://www.beyondpesticides.org/anti...ealth/nano.php

Chemical stability of metallic nanoparticles: A parameter controlling their potential cellular toxicity in vitro.(Environmental Pollution In Press, Corrected Proof, 2008)
Biological properties of "naked" metal nanoparticles.( Advanced Drug Delivery Reviews, 2008)
Review of health safety aspects of nanotechnologies in food production.(Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology In Press, Corrected Proof, 2009)
Nanosilver: A nanoproduct in medical application. (Toxicology Letters, 2008)
What do we (need to) know about the kinetic properties of nanoparticles in the body? (Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology, 2007).
Nanotechnology: Emerging health issues (Journal of Chemical Health and Safety, 2007).
Effects of repeated silver nanoparticles exposure on the histological structure and mucins of nasal respiratory mucosa in rats (Toxicology Letters, 2008)
Manufactured nanoparticles: An overview of their chemistry, interactions and potential environmental implications.(Science of The Total Environment, 2008)
Toxic potential of materials at the nanolevel. (Science, 2006)
Influence of silver nanoparticles on neurons and blood-brain barrier via subcutaneous injection in rats. (Applied Surface Science, 2008)
Assuring the Safety of Nanomaterials in Food Packaging: The Regulatory Process and Key Issues." (The Project on Emerging Nanotechnologies at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and the Grocery Manufacturers Association, 2008)

and from that last article, the following only seems like common sense to me, and nothing to do with any attempt to discredit the legitimate uses for colloidal silver:

While the science is trying to catch up, consumers should be wary of the products they purchase that contain silver nanoparticle products. The widespread use of products that contain ingredients that can also easily enter the human body, but whose impacts have not been studied, is a definite cause for concern. Scientists agree that the high speed of the introduction of nanoparticle based consumer products to the market urges the need to generate a better understanding about the potential impacts that these particles may have to biological systems.

[Bob]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Here is an excerpt from Carmody's OP:

Posted by Carmody (here)
Stolen from another thread, a post by me that I think needs it's own thread, so it is seen and can benefit more people.

colloidal silver. Or..Monatomic silver? The actual point behind colloidal silver is the smaller the particle, the more effective it is. Same for herbals, for the very same reason, in some cases.

[...]

What I mean, is you put the electrodes in the water, distilled water, super clean, no minerals, no bits, no micro particles, etc. This allows the pH to be neutral at the start..and then the particles of silver made under very weak levels of voltage will be truly nano and monatomic, so the mix is exactly as effective as it has to be. The reason the water must be free of any contaminants is so the montomics form freely, in the proper shape and bond only with the water molecules.

[...]

As for getting silver chlorides out of electrolysis in distilled water... hmmm...

ADD a pinch of SODIUM CHLORIDE to your DISTILLED WATER is the INSTRUCTIONS -

Doing homework and understanding chemistry is easy. The use of "a pinch of salt" is common in makers of "colloidal silver".

ref: http://www.elixa.com/silver/inst.htm

"approx 1/8 tsp salt to 1 cup water"

ref: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-...L-SILVER-Easy/

How to make COLLOIDAL SILVER (Easy)
Colloidal Silver is the most potent disinfectant and antiseptic, and on-contact killer of viruses, bacteria, fungi and all kinds of germs. My guess is, if you want to make it, you probably know what is does, and how it has been used for the last 3,000 years. Since you can make it yourself and you need no prescription, you will not see it on TV -- ever!
Items you need:
2 ft. common electric wire (any laying around in the house)
4 small alligator clamps ( $6 for 4 at the hardware store)
A bit of electric tape.
3 9V batteries ( about $ 10)
Distilled water $0.99
Saline (eyewash drops) $2-3.00
1 ft silver wire, 999.99 pure . $10-25.00, depending on gauge, a thin one will do fine.
A glass (for the electrolysis) no plastic or metal containers

Instructions in the video.

ref: http://www.thesilveredge.com/netipot.shtml

"Using Colloidal Silver with a Neti Pot

Once you are breathing freely through both nostrils, prepare the pot again. This time, you will do it a little differently, and include the colloidal silver.

According to medical studies, a concentration of 10 ppm of colloidal silver kills most bacteria in six minutes or less. So you will need to use a solution composed of 10 ppm concentration.

To use colloidal silver in the neti pot, prepare the pot with just a ¼ cup of warm water. Add a pinch of salt. (See photo.) Then apply 15 to 30 drops (one to two droppers) of colloidal silver to the pot. (See photo.) Make sure the salt is completely dissolved. Then, administer half of the solution through one nostril and half through the other, as described in the “Basic Procedure” section above.

(If all of this measuring sounds a little tedious, don’t worry. After a few tries, you’ll be able to quickly estimate the proper amounts of salt, water and colloidal silver to add to your net pot.)
"

If one is going to ingest nano-particles, one obviously is oblivious to the dangers. ANY metal. OR CARBON nanoparticles.

ref: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...t=nanoparticle

More references:
http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/re...1art/csgen.htm

If bulb doesn't light or you see only a faint reddish glow add sea-salt solution. Observe the smoke-like plumes of pure white ultra fine grain silver against a dark background as colloid electrolytically sinters off the anode (positive polarity side of battery red lead) and drifts into solution.

Five minutes activation of about 8-oz of property conductive water gives approximately 5 to 7 ppm (parts per million) strength. Yield depends on water conductivity, surface area of electrodes, amount of current and time. Approximately 5 minutes makes a stock solution which can be diluted further to make a typical working solution.

I occasionally put electrodes in my coffee, fruit and vegetable juice, tap water and other drinks to charge them with colloid directly.

(ED NOTE: the above is highly suspect putting the silver electrodes in one's coffee.. all sorts of chemicals will be added in-solution with the silver ions, not just the silver chlorides from the common salts.. Coffee contains a tremendous number of chemicals, with over 1000 aroma compounds. If you are looking for antioxidants, the most abundant phenolic compounds in coffee are chloro-genic acids (CGAs), which account for up to 12 per cent of the dry weight of green unroasted coffee beans. Chloro associates with CHLORIDE, i.e. CHLORINE..) ref: http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/Is...InEveryCup.asp


Silver CHLORIDE - http://circres.ahajournals.org/conte...1/105.full.pdf

This article makes it VERY CLEAR It refers that SMOOTH MUSCLE TISSUE is toxically affected highly and rapidly takes up the SILVER.

SILVER OXIDE:

ref: http://blog.cgcsforum.com/?p=84

Talks about what REALLY is colloidal silver (silver oxide particles if made purely) - it is NOT nano-particle pure silver.. it is an oxide form of silver dispersed in ultra-pure water.

This product is the only version of “CS” (Colloidal Silver) that is available for sale on most websites. There are two manufacturers of CS in the UK who make heat-reduced CS for sale, but I know of none in the USA.

It (Silver-Oxide dispersed in Water) is an effective bactericide, viricide and fungicide. It also accelerates healing of wounds and burns. It is somewhat less-used than the other forms of CS if you know how to make the other versions, but the manufacturing technique is being posted next, as it is the basis of sugar-reduced and heat-reduced CS, as well as being a product in its’ own right.

It has a strong metallic taste. When correctly prepared it does not sting, even in the eyes, and is a powerful accelerator for healing of cuts and abrasions. Although I have found sugar- or heat-reduced CS to give good results in healing scrapes and abrasions, some contributors to the old forum indicated that IS was superior as a healing accelerant when applied topically. It is not ideal for internal use, being possibly implicated in Argyria if consumed in very heavy doses.

IS is nothing more than electrolytically-produced Silver Oxide dissolved in distilled water.

--> The above article talks about the correct way to make chloride free colloidal silver, but the method IS NOT the methods used in the cheapy internet discussed "electrolyzers. READ the article above for some good understanding, and remember, NANO-PARTICLES are NOT being made using the above method.. SILVER-OXIDE is NOT metallic silver nanoparticle.

[onawah]

Thanks again, Bob. Another Avalon thread which Bob gave the link to as follows should make the concerns clear enough, hopefully.
Bob started that thread, and this one is simply presenting further evidence about the dangers of nanoparticles.
Perhaps my OP and the relevant responses should be moved to Bob's thread.

Posted by Bob (here)

If one is going to ingest nano-particles, one obviously is oblivious to the dangers. ANY metal. OR CARBON nanoparticles.
ref: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...t=nanoparticle

[avid]

Oh you scare me! I literally just distill H20 and brew with 2 99.9% silver rods for 4 hours - looks OK, tastes slightly metallic, quite clear but 'silvery-looking' water. Now and again we have some metal oxidisation dropping to the bottom. (Grey bits). I'm not an authority, this thread is fascinating, but it also depletes my confidence in trying to heal naturally. I do know salt creates havoc, so will not touch that with a barge-pole, but am interested to know how other people make it. The science is great - but the kit is crap for ultra-wondrous stuff! Still - trying my best.....

[onawah]

Can we stick to the subject matter of this thread, please?
There are threads all about colloidal silver and how to make it, this is not one of them.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by onawah (here)
Question:What are those different ways, please? Thanks

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

it's probably not easy to understand but killing microbes through different means like colloidal silver, mms, zappers and the like is interfering with the body's natural way of dealing with diseases. the only way that truly heals a condition and does not create worse ones is a natural energization of the body that raises the body's vibration and removes energy blockages. there are different ways to do this but colloidal silver is not one of them, believe it or not.

nevertheless i disagree with the OP - they just put out various fancy theories to make people look the other way, so they try to find causes for disease when the real cause is something else entirely, one that few even take into account.

sorry if i'm going a bit off-topic with this but i have to in order to answer the question properly.

one way is to use focus and willpower. this may sound very esoteric and if a person is not able to feel the changes it may appear to be just wishful thinking, but it works nevertheless, and i suppose the more one uses this ability the more it develops.

i'm still learning about the underlying principles of etheric matter (which is just a higher level of physical matter, or, to be precise, four higher levels) and how energy relates to it. my current understanding is that the energy flow from the non-physical planes to the physical depends on the order in any given substance, and this order can be consciously influenced as well as it is usually unconsciously influenced, with the difference that conscious focus and willpower work much stronger than mere undirected thoughts or most other forms of influence.

not sure if i'm explaining this well enough to make sense so i use an example.

the place where i work had very negative/unhealthy energy which i now understand to be merely chaos in the etheric layers, or let's say a low order. the whole strip of land where this village happens to be situated has rather negative energy, i think from a vein of uranium ore that's running underneath, besides the ubiquitous water veins. basically, the constant radiation creates disorder.

anyway, i thought if order could be established in this place more energy could flow and the energy of the place would become stronger, that is, more positive and healthy. so i changed the "etheric matrix" of the place, if you will, and indeed the energy flow has increased considerably. since i feel subtle energy i know that it's not just wishful thinking.

incidentally, i got proof right away, too. there were ants in my driveway below the cobbles all these years and ants love low energy that's bad for humans. they build their hills directly over water veins or crossing water veins because the energy there is low due to the chaos in the etheric matrix. what i did was i changed the etheric matrix on my property right to the border and what did the ants do? they moved their home just beyond the border of my property, the "untreated" area where the etheric matrix is still as chaotic as before and where the energy is still low.

of course, the same can be done in the body - establishing order where before there was chaos (due to electric and magnetic fields or whatever). that way the energy flow increases and the body can heal itself. this takes time and commitment, though. it's subtle energy, after all.


another means is homeopathy because it also directly works on the etheric levels, creating order in plant- or mineral-specific frequencies.

a third way is through orgone accumulators (not the orgonite junk people put on their desks, actual orgone accumulators in which you stand or sit, as described by wilhelm reich). they just make more energy available.

a forth way is acupuncture which is basically spot-orgonization into energy meridians.

[blufire]

You know guys I truly do not think there is some conspiracy to murder us or depopulate the planet . . . . NOT ANY MORE.

Do I think these nanoparticles exist . . . . Yes . . . . but not for the purpose to kill us or to SPECIFICALLY or PURPOSELY genetically mutate humanity.

As our technology advances these will be issues that we will have to contend with and I feel our scientific community is doing just this. As technology is put into place, then yes, there will be bugs and issues that will have to be worked through and eliminated.
The human body is an incredible biological system. Our bodies WILL adjust to these new elements as we advance into the future. Just as our bodies have adjusted since the time we began to walk planet earth. We are most certainly not the same humanoids we were 10’s of 1,000’s of years ago and we most certainly will not be the same humanoid in the future.

I read all these articles and watch the videos that say we are being ‘softly murdered’ and there is an insidious depopulation agenda happening . . . . and I used to believe it until about 3 or 4 years ago and I started looking at this whole thing objectively, pragmatically and without IMPLANTED fear. At that time I also started remembering what I was told or shown as a child: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ct-as-a-child-

Is there an increase in many diseases (diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer’s, cancer, infertility) Yes! But is this from a planned and implemented agenda???? NO! I do not believe this anymore.

Most of these illnesses, I feel, have increased ‘largely’ from 2 things: (1) there are simply more people and especially the baby boomers are in their final stages of life and so our medical community is struggling with this massive increase of older people. But just as it appears there are more ill people there are JUST AS MANY healthy, vital older people enjoying their older years. (2) Many people simply make poor choices in what they eat and how they take care of themselves. If one were to take a look in the average Americans cupboard you would find predominately highly processed food and bottles of sugary drinks. Fancy boxes full of what I call non-food. Open a bag or box or bottle and simply eat or drink it . . . . very few know how or take the time to cook from scratch or good healthy meals. Instead of getting outside and enjoying nature and outdoor activities, people spend the majority of their time in front of big screen tv’s and computers.

Depopulation agenda???? Well, if there is, they are doing a piss poor job of it . . . . . because the last time I looked the global population is still exponentially increasing.

I'm going out to milk my cows now and hoe my green beans.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by blufire (here)
You know guys I truly do not think there is some conspiracy to murder us or depopulate the planet . . . . NOT ANY MORE.

Do I think these nanoparticles exist . . . . Yes . . . . but not for the purpose to kill us or to SPECIFICALLY or PURPOSELY genetically mutate humanity.

As our technology advances these will be issues that we will have to contend with and I feel our scientific community is doing just this. As technology is put into place, then yes, there will be bugs and issues that will have to be worked through and eliminated.
The human body is an incredible biological system. Our bodies WILL adjust to these new elements as we advance into the future. Just as our bodies have adjusted since the time we began to walk planet earth. We are most certainly not the same humanoids we were 10’s of 1,000’s of years ago and we most certainly will not be the same humanoid in the future.

I read all these articles and watch the videos that say we are being ‘softly murdered’ and there is an insidious depopulation agenda happening . . . . and I used to believe it until about 3 or 4 years ago and I started looking at this whole thing objectively, pragmatically and without IMPLANTED fear. At that time I also started remembering what I was told or shown as a child: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ct-as-a-child-

Is there an increase in many diseases (diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer’s, cancer, infertility) Yes! But is this from a planned and implemented agenda???? NO! I do not believe this anymore.

Most of these illnesses, I feel, have increased ‘largely’ from 2 things: (1) there are simply more people and especially the baby boomers are in their final stages of life and so our medical community is struggling with this massive increase of older people. But just as it appears there are more ill people there are JUST AS MANY healthy, vital older people enjoying their older years. (2) Many people simply make poor choices in what they eat and how they take care of themselves. If one were to take a look in the average Americans cupboard you would find predominately highly processed food and bottles of sugary drinks. Fancy boxes full of what I call non-food. Open a bag or box or bottle and simply eat or drink it . . . . very few know how or take the time to cook from scratch or good healthy meals. Instead of getting outside and enjoying nature and outdoor activities, people spend the majority of their time in front of big screen tv’s and computers.

Depopulation agenda???? Well, if there is, they are doing a piss poor job of it . . . . . because the last time I looked the global population is still exponentially increasing.

I'm going out to milk my cows now and hoe my green beans.

you couldn't be more wrong. it's not even necessary to pick out anything you said and explain why you're on the wrong track with it because it's all obvious to anyone who's looking around.

anybody who believes that chemtrails, toxins in food, vaccines, gmo's, microwave terror via cell phones/radar/wifi/radio+tv, haarp and so forth, as well as the suppression of certain health-related information have nothing to do with depopulation, and that the rise in chronic and certain acute diseases is coincidental with our natural human development is completely deluded or brainwashed.


since this thread is about nano particles, let's think for a second about what they do when introduced into the body.

due to their size they can get almost everywhere and due to the vast amount they can't be excreted fast enough and accumulate.

now, having a lot of metal in the body where it certainly does not belong will cause havoc with the natural energy flow, especially considering the fact that by now it has become impossible to avoid technical microwaves. these inevitably create chaos in the etheric body and consequently in the physical. this condition will be heightened by lots of metal in the body. humans are basically turned into (better) antennas and we all know that behaviour can be influenced by microwaves - the more and better "antennas" there are, the easier the manipulation and control...

[blufire]

since this thread is about nano particles, let's think for a second about what they do when introduced into the body.

due to their size they can get almost everywhere and due to the vast amount they can't be excreted fast enough and accumulate.

now, having a lot of metal in the body where it certainly does not belong will cause havoc with the natural energy flow, especially considering the fact that by now it has become impossible to avoid technical microwaves. these inevitably create chaos in the etheric body and consequently in the physical. this condition will be heightened by lots of metal in the body. humans are basically turned into (better) antennas and we all know that behaviour can be influenced by microwaves - the more and better "antennas" there are, the easier the manipulation and control...

I am looking around and have been for many years. As I said, I used to blindly follow right along with what was being presented in the alternative world and media . . . . but I began to question this information just as much as main stream media and bring all info into a balanced place.

From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

If anyone is concerned with a build of metals whether it is silver nano-particles or chemtrail metals then there are many simple solutions to detoxing your system from these metals

We are constantly renewing our cellular structure and almost total renewal happens every 7 to 10 years.

I just am trying to encourage everyone that you don’t have to be victims to what you FEEL is taking place at this time. If you believe it then don’t become apathetic and fearful . . . . there are always solutions (like heavy metal detox) . . . . be proactive . . . take personal action.

[Dennis Leahy]

Good thread, onawah! Thanks for starting it.

We've got to get a few definitions straight: "nanoparticle" being the most critical to understand, and (because of the obvious controversy with silver being both beneficial and disadvantageous), what is the difference between silver nanoparticles and silver in "colloidal silver?"

We have heard the term "monatomic" used, often in relation to gold. "Monatomic" means single atoms. No nanoparticle can be smaller than a single atom of an element, or a single molecule of a compound.

Just because I found an article on the "intertubes" doesn't mean this article is correct, but check out the first few paragraphs of this article:

The Myth of Monatomic Colloidal Silver
Monatomic colloidal silver is claimed to be colloidal silver that consists of particles that are single atoms of silver suspended in water. It is further claimed that because the silver particles are so small these products do not exhibit a Tyndall effect and the result is a product that is as clear as water.

The Problem with Monatomic Colloidal Silver
One of the forces in nature is the van der Waal's force of mutual attraction which is an attractive force exerted between similar atoms and molecules. This force causes identical atoms in close proximity to each other to be drawn together to form a cluster of atoms. Such a cluster of silver atoms is called a silver particle. When the distance separating individual atoms is within a few atomic diameters, the force of mutual attraction that would cause the atoms to be drawn together can exceed 100,000 G-forces. At the atomic level there exists no counter force to prevent the atoms from coming together in a process called aggregation.

Aggregation would cause the particles to grow in size until they are large enough to create a zeta potential which produces a mutual repulsion force. The mutual repulsion created by the the zeta potential counters the attractive force thus allowing the colloid to reach a stable condition. Single atoms are not large enough to create a zeta potential charge and therefore have no force to counter the mutual attraction.

It is the van der Waal's force of mutual attraction that prevents the existence of colloids whose particles are single atoms. The probability of the existence of monatomic colloids is virtually zero. This statement applies to the claims for monatomic colloids of other metals as well, such as gold, copper, zinc, platinum, palladium, rhodium, etc.

So, the manufacture of ionic silver may indeed release individual atoms ("monatomic") of silver, but they will immediately aggregate into particles larger than monatomic size.

The manufacture of true colloidal silver may indeed release individual atoms ("monatomic") of silver, and more of the individual particles remain as monatomic particles, suspended in the liquid.

What exactly is being sprayed onto produce or other industrial use? Probably not colloidal silver (too expensive), probably ionic silver (less expensive), which is bacteriostatic and (I think importantly) not truly nano-particle sized.

I think it is also fair to actually mention the name of the author of this particular article cited in the OP is Jonathan Landsman, not Mike Adams. If you take a peek at the website from which I grabbed a few paragraphs, you'll see that there is confusion (some may be deliberate sales hype) over the terminology used to describe ultra-small particles, and we have no way of knowing whether the information cited by Landsman (dipping pears in a supposed nanoparticle silver solution) was actually using nanoparticles or not, and Landsman's conclusions may be erroneously comparing true nanoparticles to larger particles - which may have different cellular effects.

I think the OP is valid in calling attention to the unintentional ingestion of (unlabeled) ultra-small particles (silver, in this case) as being a health hazard. And, I think that - until I have solid information to make me change my mind - colloidal silver will remain in my "medicine cabinet", used sparingly and appropriately. I mentioned elsewhere just having killed a MRSA infection on my leg using a combination of Oil of Oregano and colloidal silver (brand: Source Naturals. "Wellness Colloidal Silver 30 ppm")

As an aside, I don't doubt that blufire is correct, and that there are indeed scientists working toward humans adapting to the new conditions of a toxic planet, working toward longevity and vitality and ensuring the continuation of a fraction of humanity. Unfortunately, I believe they are in underground bunkers, working for the "Dark Underlords/Overlords", and not for humanity as a whole. I'm not sure how much of the effluent of industrial civilization is literally deliberately targeted at the expendable mass of humanity, and how much of it is just the result of toxins unnecessarily generated in a greed-driven sociopathic corporate agenda. Probably some of each.

Dennis

[onawah]

And thanks for the great post, Dennis!
Especially the following, which I'm sure most of us will agree certainly puts the situation in its correct perspective.
My hope is that we won't have to continue doing that until the very last gasp of this present, suicidal paradigm, but if we do, than may we continue to do it as well as you just did!

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

As an aside, I don't doubt that blufire is correct, and that there are indeed scientists working toward humans adapting to the new conditions of a toxic planet, working toward longevity and vitality and ensuring the continuation of a fraction of humanity. Unfortunately, I believe they are in underground bunkers, working for the "Dark Underlords/Overlords", and not for humanity as a whole. I'm not sure how much of the effluent of industrial civilization is literally deliberately targeted at the expendable mass of humanity, and how much of it is just the result of toxins unnecessarily generated in a greed-driven sociopathic corporate agenda. Probably some of each.

Dennis

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by blufire (here)
From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

you forget that microwaves are all around us, all the time. don't you think everybody is influenced 24/7 by these microwaves which create chaos in our body's energetic system?

everything radiates, a lot of it in the microwave spectrum, but the wavelength doesn't matter all that much. what matters are resonance and intensity. the majority of man-made things radiate in a manner that is degenerative to our health (physical, emotional, mental) because instead of order they create disorder. technical microwaves are a lot more harmful, however, because their energy is more intense.

bodies that continually accumulate metallic particles (not just silver, also aluminum, barium, etc.) which is completely unbiologic, will definitely be influenced more strongly than organisms without an excess of these particles, especially in the brains and nervous system.

our cells do regenerate but don't forget that these particles are in the environment all the time, getting more and more. it's not as if we were exposed once and then no more. the body can't get rid of them because these days accumulation usually happens faster than removal.

[blufire]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

you forget that microwaves are all around us, all the time. don't you think everybody is influenced 24/7 by these microwaves which create chaos in our body's energetic system?

everything radiates, a lot of it in the microwave spectrum, but the wavelength doesn't matter all that much. what matters are resonance and intensity. the majority of man-made things radiate in a manner that is degenerative to our health (physical, emotional, mental) because instead of order they create disorder. technical microwaves are a lot more harmful, however, because their energy is more intense.

bodies that continually accumulate metallic particles (not just silver, also aluminum, barium, etc.) which is completely unbiologic, will definitely be influenced more strongly than organisms without an excess of these particles, especially in the brains and nervous system.

our cells do regenerate but don't forget that these particles are in the environment all the time, getting more and more. it's not as if we were exposed once and then no more. the body can't get rid of them because these days accumulation usually happens faster than removal.

Okay guys then what do we do???

If this is so insidious and we are all being killed, programed, altered, poisoned . . . . . whatever you would like to add here . . . what are our options? Are we just perpetual victims and lambs to the slaughter?

You asked if I thought we were constantly being influenced by these microwaves and my answer is NO I don’t . . . I look at myself and I don’t see any difference nor do I see a difference in the people I know well or those in my community.

Are people more stressed and weary? Yes! Because of the state of our economy and day to day living . . . not from microwaves or silver nano-particles.

What do we do?? Live in a faraday cage?

Every one of you that are convinced that you are being affected by these things still live the exact same lifestyle . . .you change nothing . . . you CHOOSE to live the same technology and day to day activities.

I will say this, if I were under the same belief of something so incredibly sinister I certainly would not continue to choose to remain flat in the middle of it and participate in the very technology.

It is not logical to me that if you TRULY BELIEVE that these things are so treacherous that you wouldn’t be jumping into action and eliminate them immediately from your life.

Why aren’t you?? I really do wish somebody would tell me.

[onawah]

Blufire please go and start your own thread if you really want someone to discuss this with you.
Your comments on this one are not on topic, and I consider them to be disruptive and counterproductive.
Thank you.

[blufire]

Onawah I truly do apologize.

But I do feel my posts are on topic, perhaps not in the same vain or direction you would like or prefer.

I really would like to know what our options are if this (silver nano-particles) is occurring as it is presented here.

Several here truly do believe this is a serious factor in our lives and obviously I do not (my opinion of course) and so what should we do??

I am asking this seriously.

One of the reasons I moved from Kansas back to Appalachia is because of what I am now remembering from childhood contact and Kansas is not the best place to be in the very near future . . . actually right now. (my opinion again)
I took action with what I see as a real threat . . . . .

There are many threads that present information such as this one that is very important, but they stop there. Shouldn’t we take it further and present options to address it?

I apologize if my frustration and concern is viewed as being disruptive.

But out of respect to your last post this will be my last post on your thread.

[Kristin]

With the intention of self moderation, thank you Bluefire for choosing to bow out of this conversation.

From the Heart,
Kristin