Advanced Extraterrestrials are Vastly Atheist

[ulli]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
This is from a talk given in 1912, by Abdu'l-Bahá, the son of the founder of the Bahai Faith. Science and religion in harmony is a fundamental principle of this 19th century religion from Iran.


"If religion were contrary to logical reason then it would cease to be a religion and be merely a tradition. Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of materialism. All religions of the present day have fallen into superstitious practices, out of harmony alike with the true principles of the teaching they represent and with the scientific discoveries of the time."

That is pretty awesome! Thanks Ulli! I'll have to check that religion out. Seems pretty awesome so far.

Be careful, Omni. You might discover that there is a God after all.

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Omni .... I'd have to refer you back to my Bodhgaya Event Report for full understanding of the matter .

Sorry I don't have time to read through that information. I'm just curious if the greys are your contacts. Who exactly have you had contact with?

And just from the glance ... I see that you're somehow - a bit of , attacking my integrity here with your statements ...

I'm sorry you see it that way. Disagreeing is not attacking.

or perhaps there you have the idea of being an authority in ET matters ?

Not sure how you got this but I don't consider myself an authority on ET matters on the Avalon forum. I do know more than most about the US governments role in such, and that gives me a discerning eye when it comes to disinformation and mind control upon others, that I believe not many have. But essentially I'm just relaying the information I have come across in my own experiences, which you seem to do as well....

There are few of us here , on the same topic,
however I've actually read much of your testimony when you came and started posting , few years ago , was it in 2011 ?

Quite like I watched Simon coming out with his own testimony ..

I consider your experiences personal and sacred to you .. but to be honest , I've stood face to face to couple of hard wired scientific authorities with mine , and not at the end for that purpose quite yet ,
and I don't believe for a moment that any of you have been through what I've been , in a lifetime and in contact event that left me with still fuller amount of information concerning myself and the origins of human race .

So you are the authority on ET info? Seems like that is what you are saying...

Hi Omni , it's not that I don't understand your 'simple questions' but there are no 'simple answers' from where I see it .

My first response to this thread to do with 'theism' and 'atheism' and that it's not fairly accurate to define 'advanced ETs' , their mentality and 'philosophical status' by those terms or rather that it isn't enough definition reflects the same fact .
Simplicity does not always equal accuracy .

The tendency towards 'simple definitions' is often found with less advanced forms of life . One good reason why lots of communication in more advanced humans and beyond that , think of all the more intelligent races in the Space we don't know yet fully ,
happens through images and symbols rather than through 'words' and 'letters' . Human alphabets and language aren't sufficient means to convey more complex messages and packs of information at once .

You've asked about 'my contacts' and I referred you to the Bodhgaya Event Report etc. I've done few interviews about the major Contact Event that led to me to here ..

We seem to be coming to here from entirely different 'gnostic backgrounds' , from where I see it again..

As I've replied to you , no one has ever 'relied' information that I consider objective and have been privy too first hand . There is not short cut and simple answer to explain or define who we are .
It does not mean that there is no answer , it just means it isn't simple .

I do not consider myself 'expert' of any sorts ( except for when I can prove myself helpful under circumstances ) and as one friend suggested here previously ,
there are hardly any 'human experts on ET life' .

But as I've said our 'gnostic grounds' may differ and my insight and personal experience is in the realm that you would consider ET is fairly complex and for the same reason, I rely safely on the vast knowledge I have rather than borrowing terms and ideas many of you have borrowed --

such as 'blond nordics ' or 'greys' .


Defining a race or races of beings in such a way is the same impossible as calling out every 'white face' who arrives at the shores of Africa a liar , an atheist or vegan .
It's not a good example at all but what I mean to say here is that I can't even agree with you on the way how you define 'greys' or 'blond nordics' , the same would go for 'mantids' or 'reptilians' and so and so forth ..

I'm no expert but I've conveyed many pieces of authentic information to this board previously, as well as through major report and interviews and there's simply no short cut .


The people I come from ( yes me , and I'm not , your terms : contactee, hybrid, star seed , abductee, channeller ..) are very old, peaceful civilisation from faraway universe and remote predecessors of humans .
They're not directly related or to be mixed with any ET species discussed here .



It seems to me that you're in rush or maybe little stress, and I understand that feeling .


The platform of discussion here is very ephemeral and relative , no matter what kind of solidity we want to lend it . Something that you consider substantial of today may look completely irrelevant to you tomorrow ..



Peace

[Omni]

Posted by Agape (here)
Hi Omni , it's not that I don't understand your 'simple questions' but there are no 'simple answers' from where I see it .

I really don't see the difficulty of saying who your contacts are.

My first response to this thread to do with 'theism' and 'atheism' and that it's not fairly accurate to define 'advanced ETs' , their mentality and 'philosophical status' by those terms or rather that it isn't enough definition reflects the same fact .
Simplicity does not always equal accuracy .

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
-Albert Einstein

The tendency towards 'simple definitions' is often found with less advanced forms of life . One good reason why lots of communication in more advanced humans and beyond that , think of all the more intelligent races in the Space we don't know yet fully ,
happens through images and symbols rather than through 'words' and 'letters' . Human alphabets and language aren't sufficient means to convey more complex messages and packs of information at once .

Odd you would leave out the biggest form of communication between ETs. Concepts. Nothing more simple, but perfectly descriptive than that. And they are far superior to images and symbols, not to mention everyone understands them regardless of the race(even animals understand them). Although images are nice as well. Or Images + Concept at the same time.

You've asked about 'my contacts' and I referred you to the Bodhgaya Event Report etc. I've done few interviews about the major Contact Event that led to me to here ..

I don't see why it's like pulling teeth to get you to say who your ET contacts are. I guess I could read your report... I tried watching your interview with Kerry a long time ago but the volume was so poor I couldn't make out your words...

But as I've said our 'gnostic grounds' may differ and my insight and personal experience is in the realm that you would consider ET is fairly complex and for the same reason, I rely safely on the vast knowledge I have rather than borrowing terms and ideas many of you have borrowed --

such as 'blond nordics ' or 'greys' .

Can't help but feel you are saying you are superior to me here.. That is how they were identified to me. So I use those terms. I didn't borrow them as much as just relay what was said to me from those contacts....

It's not a good example at all but what I mean to say here is that I can't even agree with you on the way how you define 'greys' or 'blond nordics' , the same would go for 'mantids' or 'reptilians' and so and so forth ..

We don't have to agree on how we define them. It's a very simple question, that can be answered with a very simple answer that you seem to be avoiding....

How about this. Do your contacts have rough wrinkly skin, big almond black eyes, and no sexual organs(although some greys have sexual organs so this would be both ways)?

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
I really don't see the difficulty of saying who your contacts are.

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
-Albert Einstein

I do . Einsteins remarkable work that changed history of human physics was no way simple, on the other hand ..it filled several thick volumes of equations and it takes 'simple human mind' quite some time to familiarise themselves even with the concept .
Claiming that you 'understand general and special relativity' does not yet mean you actually do.
You'd have to prove that sort of understanding . Speaking of 'concepts' ( mentioned later by you ) , they're no way more simple to convey than symbols, patterns or pictograms . The difference between conveying the two is somewhat like the different approach/es of western and eastern medicine to a patient .
Where Western medicine relies more on analysis and scientific method, Eastern medicine concept of living organism is that of a whole - lasting within its space-time in resonance with elements, other organisms it lives with in symbiosis ,
the homeostasis of its natural function.

Can you imagine describing 'human' to someone on entirely different planet who never seen any 'human' except you , and the way he would see 'you' would differ a lot from the way your mother sees 'you' ?

I'm sure you can grasp the amount of fun I'm pointing out that has to go here with such description attempts and explanations . Vis your last statement /question that has to do with 'greys' .
Yourself you also perceive your own definition as ridiculously inadequate .

No matter what I can consider me or you, it's not about being superior or inferior . On the other hand, you seem to share some of the commonly shared notions about 'ET Contact scenarios' ,
to that extent that you miss reading between the lines , miss the absence of direct answer for no answer and trying to superimpose your idea upon the other ,
with automatism that would suit a 'space cop' .

I did describe the Beings we are on couple of places , can be found within this forum in Witness section . The reason why I'm not blatantly open about it is that these Beings are both benevolent and extremely sensitive .
They're sensitive to things most humans learned to ignore .

They are very kind and compassionate Beings who feel for mankind , not perpetrators of genetic experiments . They don't share common grounds with 'greys' or 'nordics' of your description ,
they're not posing as Gods or establishing new religions, not abducting people or scaring little kids .

They do attempts for communication with mankind that can take many forms .. but are very seldom if ever really recognised for standing behind the influence .

They've been here long ago before mankind and will be here after , I suppose .

Your AI is not feeding you more information that is generally, in depth part of human information field . If you want to see anything ( biological or psychological perspective ) that is truly 'beyond human' in its authentic, original form ,
you'd have to be able to switch OFF what you call AI which is but one expression of global humint - intelligence field that is open on certain level to any individual accessing it,
somewhat like internet is and collecting synthetic information about this biosphere .

'ET' intelligences often do communicate with this 'information field' directly .. though more often , they do this through individuals .

Some also use human brains as databanks ( memory storage ) that can selectively pick and collect large amounts of data of interest to them .

Like you have direct insight/experience of things others may not have .. and no matter how well you think you are describing it,
the observation field for others remains strictly relative to them as observers . Most may not see to what you mean with great accuracy but may choose to imagine they actually do.

If I'm to explain correctly about what you're asking about, nature and time=space of these Beings , their relevance to mankind and so forth,
many of those preconceived notions people have about'ET contact' would have to be dropped .

[Omni]

Posted by Agape (here)
Speaking of 'concepts' ( mentioned later by you ) , they're no way more simple to convey than symbols, patterns or pictograms .

I completely disagree having hundreds if not thousands of hours of telepathy experience over the last 7 years... Concepts are by far superior to symbols. After all, concepts are what your mind uses to understand symbols.... Pictures can rival them sometimes but are also inferior. Symbols would need to be understood as a form of language typically. Concepts come understood at the getgo...

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

I was wondering who designed and wrote the heading for the Avalon Forum. It was the ET’s who figured out Science and Spirituality would eventually meet!

'Twas I. Maybe I am in good company!

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Speaking of 'concepts' ( mentioned later by you ) , they're no way more simple to convey than symbols, patterns or pictograms .

I completely disagree having hundreds if not thousands of hours of telepathy experience over the last 7 years... Concepts are by far superior to symbols. After all, concepts are what your mind uses to understand symbols.... Pictures can rival them sometimes but are also inferior. Symbols would need to be understood as a form of language typically. Concepts come understood at the getgo...

We're somewhat back at your original thesis ..the topic of the thread ..

there's nothing wrong with concepts .

But how efficient are they compared to the very compact information field called 'Life' - living organism - even the simplest one .. virus or bacteria .. requires many advanced concepts and many books on biology, chemistry etc . to be 'described' on agreeable and conceptual level of human understanding .

That's the atheists' view on Life .. in extreme .. and for those with certain 'spiritual limits' imposed on their minds, life is not more than one expression , chance or otherwise of inert matter . Chemical reaction .
It should not surprise me if some greys and some nordics of your description consider themselves 'atheists' but those are not the higher types .


If they claim no knowledge of the origin of Life and can't keep their own civilisation intact ( feel free to oppose as 'who said so ' ) they are not much further with their understanding as some of todays human scientists and despite all the pride they have about it ..
it's not that far .

There are millions of years to go for any civilisation in conscious state to evolve their world views ( or lets say 'universal values' ) both vertically and horizontally .


If the ancients have a memory of one Source of Life .. it's not only that, it serves common knowledge and communication between species on the grand canvas of space . It's not something imaginary like an invisible God who watches if you do good or bad ,
no , nothing as such . Everyone have to watch over themselves and care for each other .

On deepest possible level .. when two beings meet .. no matter from how far away they came , either they know the Source of Life is One .. or not .
If they don't know ..it's usually called ignorance ..and tends to result in misunderstandings .


I think we have lots of occasion to test the thing here on earth itself ..

[Omni]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Agape (here)
Speaking of 'concepts' ( mentioned later by you ) , they're no way more simple to convey than symbols, patterns or pictograms .

I completely disagree having hundreds if not thousands of hours of telepathy experience over the last 7 years... Concepts are by far superior to symbols. After all, concepts are what your mind uses to understand symbols.... Pictures can rival them sometimes but are also inferior. Symbols would need to be understood as a form of language typically. Concepts come understood at the getgo...

We're somewhat back at your original thesis ..the topic of the thread ..

there's nothing wrong with concepts .

But how efficient are they compared to the very compact information field called 'Life' - living organism - even the simplest one .. virus or bacteria .. requires many advanced concepts and many books on biology, chemistry etc . to be 'described' on agreeable and conceptual level of human understanding .

And you think you could represent such better in an image that is easily understandable?

That's the atheists' view on Life .. in extreme .. and for those with certain 'spiritual limits' imposed on their minds, life is not more than one expression , chance or otherwise of inert matter . Chemical reaction .
It should not surprise me if some greys and some nordics of your description consider themselves 'atheists' but those are not the higher types .

This is your belief. I believe you have been mislead by your contacts to be honest. A being that is god is unimaginable, and for good reason. It doesn't exist IMO.

As for your views on atheists, they are flawed. I'm an atheist that believes in soul and reincarnation... Maybe the average atheist thinks we are just chemicals, but not the advanced ones...

If they claim no knowledge of the origin of Life and can't keep their own civilisation intact ( feel free to oppose as 'who said so ' ) they are not much further with their understanding as some of todays human scientists and despite all the pride they have about it ..
it's not that far .

You are not describing the beings I have had contact with at all.

If the ancients have a memory of one Source of Life .. it's not only that, it serves common knowledge and communication between species on the grand canvas of space . It's not something imaginary like an invisible God who watches if you do good or bad ,
no , nothing as such . Everyone have to watch over themselves and care for each other .

On deepest possible level .. when two beings meet .. no matter from how far away they came , either they know the Source of Life is One .. or not .
If they don't know ..it's usually called ignorance ..and tends to result in misunderstandings .

Plz spare me the judgements upon people who do not hold the same view as you.

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
And you think you could represent such better in an image that is easily understandable?

Yes indeed if I had such an image it'd be definitely more convincing than thousand words ...

This is your belief. I believe you have been mislead by your contacts to be honest. A being that is god is unimaginable, and for good reason. It doesn't exist IMO.

Please go with your believes then ... it does not seem to be enough to repeat 3 times that I'm not talking of your very human concept of God , and that I'm not relying on what someone has relied to me,
I'm not your 'contactee' or channeler who keeps ears on what they think is being told to them .
I've said it's our awareness and memory that such Source ..or Cradle of Life exists .. I'm not speaking 'for someone' here using plural tense . It's you who seem to be superimposing some believe here and misreading me .

I don't need to accept this sense of rivalry ..no need at all. I came to offer what some advanced beings know and think about it .

And straight away , if you have reason to disbelieve me that's your choice and you're entirely entitled to your search , believes and what someone has told you .

Over . No need for argument . I don't come to rise my blood pressure here or get dizzy because someones believes .

As for your views on atheists, they are flawed. I'm an atheist that believes in soul and reincarnation... Maybe the average atheist thinks we are just chemicals, but not the advanced ones...

And yours are just perfect ? The most advanced views in the Universe ?

Yes I've met many 'advanced atheists' as well though , and among those, the more advanced types still keep asking the 'great questions' ( very few do that ) , while some others consider themselves superior to everyone else . I do not judge you for your faith or lack of.

You simply seem to miss that we are not talking of the same concept of God even , and you say that you prefer concepts.

Plz spare me the judgements upon people who do not hold the same view as you.

You seem to be little arrogant Omni , sorry to say that . One response after another . Who would like to discuss anything here ...

I understand you want to be asked questions and convey your concepts . Pardon my intrusion to your thread .. there's no need I read another shower of arguments and believes of what you believe that I believe .

You're entirely wrong where I'm concerned .


I may recommend this book to some here who are finding this debate familiar ..


http://www.amazon.com/War-Worldviews.../dp/0307886891


War of the Worldviews



Hope the remaining 133 empty pages of the thread are enough space for everyone else's ... world views ...

[Omni]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
And you think you could represent such better in an image that is easily understandable?

Yes indeed if I had such an image it'd be definitely more convincing than thousand words ...

I was talking about concepts not words. As I said, you perceive images, in concept...

This is your belief. I believe you have been mislead by your contacts to be honest. A being that is god is unimaginable, and for good reason. It doesn't exist IMO.

Please go with your believes then ... it does not seem to be enough to repeat 3 times that I'm not talking of your very human concept of God , and that I'm not relying on what someone has relied to me,
I'm not your 'contactee' or channeler who keeps ears on what they think is being told to them .
I've said it's our awareness and memory that such Source ..or Cradle of Life exists .. I'm not speaking 'for someone' here using plural tense . It's you who seem to be superimposing some believe here and misreading me .

So ETs didn't tell you of source? I surmise it's genetics speaking to you about believing in God. That is my theory atm anyway.

I don't need to accept this sense of rivalry ..no need at all. I came to offer what some advanced beings know and think about it .

Neither do I. And I have done exactly the same...

And straight away , if you have reason to disbelieve me that's your choice and you're entirely entitled to your search , believes and what someone has told you .

I believe there is no God because it resonates with me strongly, and all evidence and logic points to it in my view.

Over . No need for argument . I don't come to rise my blood pressure here or get dizzy because someones believes .

I don't mean to cause you suffering. Maybe it's best we stopped....

As for your views on atheists, they are flawed. I'm an atheist that believes in soul and reincarnation... Maybe the average atheist thinks we are just chemicals, but not the advanced ones...

And yours are just perfect ? The most advanced views in the Universe ?

Course not. but you said they are basically ignorant, low lifeforms of the universe. I contest that. I don't think you are being too reasonable here. EIther they are ignorant low lifeforms, or I'm saying they are the most advanced in the universe. See the problem there?

Yes I've met many 'advanced atheists' as well though , and among those, the more advanced types still keep asking the 'great questions' ( very few do that ) , while some others consider themselves superior to everyone else . I do not judge you for your faith or lack of.

You simply seem to miss that we are not talking of the same concept of God even , and you say that you prefer concepts.

I didn't say I prefer concepts. I said they are superior to images and symbols.

Plz spare me the judgements upon people who do not hold the same view as you.

You seem to be little arrogant Omni , sorry to say that . One response after another . Who would like to discuss anything here ...

I could say the same about you as you call people who do not believe in God ignorant.. At worst it's confusion... A mirror is suitable here.

I understand you want to be asked questions and convey your concepts . Pardon my intrusion to your thread .. there's no need I read another shower of arguments and believes of what you believe that I believe .

You're entirely wrong where I'm concerned .

Ditto. Agree to disagree and leave it at that?

[Agape]

Mirror , mirror ...

First of all , I've never said that I disagree with your original statement , in strict sense . I rather went on to explain that the term 'atheist' , especially the way it is used and understood , as staunch counter view to monotheistic religions of earth is conceptually insufficient and it's very relative term after all.
So is every earthly religion and its concepts . Except for few .. and those are usually either accepted and experienced as such , or very poorly understood altogether .

The term 'spirituality' is familiar and much closer to most of here .. we all know what we mean ( right or not ? ) yet .. itself , it'd be rather difficult to define .

For many 'hardcore atheists' even 'spirituality' is a misunderstanding and something they'd not argue about because it can't be 'proved' and pointed to .

That's all I said .. for the human part of the debate .

People ( or ETs ) being knowledgable about something or not does not make them automatically higher or lower life forms -

animals are considered lower life forms because of their limited intellect rather than lack of faith .

I've never said that I know of any 'religious ETs' or that they'd believe in God the way some humans do or that they would worship a being or a deity of any sort ..
however, among the multitudes of civilisations we don't know of yet there well may be some who do .

Your being sarcastic when you repeatedly ask me if 'ETs told me' , even upon my repeated assertion they did not , I am not sure this is deliberate on your part or not .

You seem to miss something here ... and true .. I've referred you to my files .

So for about 5th time ..my knowledge of things is mine , as well as theirs . It's a memory of ours and collected knowledge that belongs to all after all .

I do understand that most of what humans claim to believe comes from someone else telling them and it's absolutely not so in this case . So for the same reason, you have to find some of my statements confusing .
And it's the same reason for which I seldom start debate with people 'contactees' because many of them if not all simply go by their faith and 'what they were told' and I'd be only another entity they don't know telling them something they can not prove .


Neither would I ever say that atheists are 'lower life forms' and less precious that 'believers' , that sounds like capital nonsense to me .

What I did say is that advanced beings consider Life intelligent and precious . I think they can't care less about peoples temporary believes . Earth is hard place to be and people kept these 'faiths' as psychological support to help them survive, hope and not to give up till they're actually able to sort it .

When I say 'sort it' , it means millions of years .. and I 'd have to talk long yet to say what's possibly at the end .


I do agree we can leave it at that if you wish .. it could get heated before we come to better understanding .


Perhaps my fault of thinking too much between the lines .

[DarMar]

if you would people only STOP for a moment and listen!

I was interested in omni's topic and was reading and it started to look like vacation thread...
same happened to earthlink in moment i was writing post..
there is too many vacation threads these days, we should concentrate.
[aren't too much of those in last few days or im halucinating]

if we are here to discuss and in that matter represent counsciosness should we all be better than any of us here, have more knowledge, scored with more chicks... dunno it is in same range.

in agression i have need to remind you nor is first chicken nor egg .. in same manner concept and symbol can bear same weight. because actually there is no friggin chance you could describe symbol without concept, and have any concept without its... blah plesae stop torturing yourself people! its hard to watch...

Have nice day and stay sharp

[Omni]

Thank you^^

"God is the biggest delusion in the universe"
-Omnisense (me)

Hard to argue that^^ Even if one iteration of God is correct...

Also wanted to reply to this before I refrain from causing dear Agape too much strain as I don't think my debating was very well received(its completely innocent, I respect you Agape, you are very intelligent and a legitimate contactee IMO).

Posted by Agape (here)
I do . Einsteins remarkable work that changed history of human physics was no way simple, on the other hand ..it filled several thick volumes of equations and it takes 'simple human mind' quite some time to familiarise themselves even with the concept .

Good point but that is math. Which to your credit math would be better depicted by symbols than concept, as concepts do not explain such very well with their normal potency. But that's the only exception I'm aware of.

[Agape]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-GAHggrOCoA

I wonder if ... the spirit of purity and peace .. can win and represent both and all peoples aims and objectives .
The ETs I'm with are more like this - blue&white spirits of peace .

Not referring to any corrupted agendas .

Maybe you can tune in ..recall ..

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
Not to poo poo any one else's "Reality Bubble's" or "Experiences" but I must lay out what I have come to believe about "Them" (The few out of the many I/We have come into contact with) from my experiences...

With such a wide range of beings through the vast Oceans of Time and Space (Just in our Dimension Alone) it is difficult for people of our current understanding to lump all of "Them" together under such a blanket statement IMHO. Different species have had different journey's in becoming the current interstellar, intergalactic, inter-dimensional/density/universe Race they are currently. Most have done so with some sort of Spiritual/Consciousness Technological Component that we would call "Spooky Action at a Distance" or just Magic. Not counting the AI or those led by AI Power Structures of course, there are just so many types of cultures out there (But who built the AI before it became autonomous?).

Many of them are well known to tell us what we want (Or NEED) to hear. What they truly believe may be another matter, they have to know there are other layers of the Spectrum above them with intelligent beings existing within them and these beings are not god's. However they having an understanding of advanced space/dimensional jumping and the "Spooky" component to it, Have the ability to remove people's essence's and their own from their bodies etc... Have to understand that there is much more out there and the word "Atheist" would (In my opinion) be a very difficult color to paint most of "Them".

In my experience most believe in a "Source" with various belief systems of that "Source" which dance around being a "Religion" without being an actual Religion. Though that is what we try to say about Science here on Earth... and it is the largest Religion on the planet. Again, "IMHO from my ability to reason from the experiences in my reality bubble".

Again, I am not going to step on anyone else's perceived experience, information imparted to them in that experience or how that info was reasoned and dealt with intellectually in their reality bubble. We all live in our own and bounce off each others, coalescing with one another at times depending on compatibility. The above is only based on my life experiences, encounters and so on...

Deviating from my prior post (Which is how I truly FEEL!) and the topic slightly I offer the following thought not out of malice...
Once you really get out there you realize the ONLY REAL DELUSION is OUR OWN REALITIES and how convinced we are of our own DIVINITY as we take pot shots at each others EGO's. WE are seen by many out there as a MODIFIED APE'S (WE ARE CHIMERA) living on a prison planet who sit and muse at the stars as we have for MANY thousands of years then looking back down at the back of our hand at the end of our out stretched arm always pondering... WHO/WHY ARE WE?

Now that we have decided we all are divine and basically are the god's of our own destinies we continue to allow the other "divine individuals" foul our sacred planet and subjugate the rest of the "divine individuals" of the planet with $ magic and fear of death through war and famine. We get online and shout out against some of these crimes against humanity and our home planet but we willingly take part in the system and contribute to the establishment that subjugates and defines all of us "divine individuals" as "USELESS EATERS".

We are as much hypocrites as we are divine in the logic of any spiritually or technically advanced beings of this density that wonder by or take part in our subjugation. Now we sit debating weather they believe in a CREATOR/GOD/DIVINE SOURCE? If they stopped their activities long enough to brows this thread would they think it humorous, a sad exercise in futility or with our current affairs being as they are the topic non-relevant? If we put our EGO's, Personal Beliefs and Realities aside for a moment and "muse" further... If it is true that A Source, Source Field, or Consciousness Singularity broke itself into countless pieces and levels of spectrums to experience every possible experience, created a holographic program and left it running or we are all just a fleeting daydream that has come and gone and were just a memory engram or loop in time what will it matter if we being the "divine individual" at the end of our loops of life times or missions as a light warriors if this experience is the last before "plugging back in" to source? Is this the way we would want to end our final report how ever that presentation may be?

I believe things are just as widely complicated "Up There" and even through out the "Spectrums" we are unaware of as things are down here no matter how much "THEY" evolve... there is alway more room for them to ascend. There are the good the bad and the ugly as well as the ones who think they have it all figured out and deserve to Lord Over All Beings Below Them...

Who am "I" to state the above? NO ONE of any importance above or below anyone else in this realm... I hope not to offend but encourage deeper thoughtfulness of each others treatment of one anothers views and journeys in this mass awakening of consciousness we are ALL EXPERIENCING!


WOULD POSITIVE (Non AI's OR Reptiles that eat our flesh and feed on our bad mojo etc...) ET/ED's HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS WEATHER THEY BELIEVE IN A "SOURCE/CREATION/GOD" OR NOT?
25 Characteristics You May Find In Those Who Are Awakening
June 26, 2014 | By WakingTimes


There is no doubt the Earth is evolving spiritually. People are experiencing intense changes within their life, work, behaviors and personal relationships. Many are awakening at a rate that can only be described as phenomenal. So how do we know if we are awakening? Here are 25 common characteristics you may find in yourself and others.

Some of you may experience things not on this list and I encourage you to share your experiences in the comments below. We are all unique and many of us are experiencing phenomenon that are difficult to explain at this time. We are all learning from each other.

1. Being in public places is sometimes overwhelming. Since our walls between self and other are dissolving, we haven’t really learned to distinguish between someone else’s energy and our own. If the general mood of the crowd is herd-like or negative, we can feel this acutely, and may feel like retreating into our own private space. When we have recharged our batteries with meditation, spending time in nature, far away from other people, or just sitting in quiet contemplation, we are ready to be with the masses again. In personal relationships, we often will feel someone else’s emotions as our own. It is important to have this higher sense of empathy, but we must learn to allow another person’s emotions while observing them and keeping our empathy, but, realizing that not all emotions belong to us. Social influence can dampen our own innate wisdom.

2. We understand our current paradigm, more than we understand ourselves. We see the big picture and marvel and the duality of our world including why polarity consciousness has brought us to where it has today. We no longer see life choices and right or wrong, good or bad, just choices defined by the neutral frequencies that we later define. Unity consciousness is allowing us to spread the message of unity consciousness to all of humanity that will allow us to heal our division and change the misery of our human beings to abundance within a global community filled with love for each other and not fear of each other.

3. We know things without having to intellectually figure them out. Often called intuitive awareness, we have ‘a-ha’ moments and insights that can explain some of the most complex theories or phenomenon in the world. Some of the most brilliant minds of our time just ‘know.’ Adepts and sages often were given downloads of information from higher states of consciousness after meditating or being in the presence of a more conscious individual; this is happening for more people with more frequency. As we trust our intuition more often, it grows stronger. This is a time of ‘thinking’ with our hearts more than our heads. Our guts will no longer be ignored. Our dreams are becoming precognitive and eventually our conscious thoughts will be as well.

4. We acknowledge our imperfection and how beautiful it is to be an imperfect version of our true selves. We thrive on challenging only ourselves, and not through competition at the expense of another, especially since we have no need to judge those who are exactly where they need to be.

5. Watching television or most of main stream media, including newspapers and many Hollywood movies is very distasteful to us. The mindset that creates much, but not all, of the programming on television and in cinema is abhorrent. It commodifies people and promotes violence. It reduces our intelligence and numbs our natural empathetic response to someone in pain.

6. We no longer have a need to attach our love to material things, understanding that it only leads to misery because we are not learning to love ourselves and others. The mentality only leads to further acquisition of more things. Although things too are part of consciousness, they do not allow humans to accelerate the mass consciousness required to change the world. Only love for ourselves and others can do that. Love is knowing the deservability and worthiness of all. We are loved so unconditionally by Creation that we can even choose to believe that we are not loved.

7. Lying to us is nearly impossible. We may not know exactly what truth you are withholding, but we can also tell that something isn’t right. We also know when you have other emotions, pain, love, etc. that you aren’t expressing. You’re an open book to us. We aren’t trained in counter-intelligence, we are just observant and knowing. While we may pick up on physical cues, we can look into your eyes and know what you are feeling.

8. We may pick up symptoms of your cold, just like men who get morning sickness when their wives are pregnant. Sympathy pains, whether emotional or physical, are something we experience often. We tend to absorb emotion through the solar plexus, considered the place we ‘stomach emotion’ so as we learn to strengthen this chakra center, we may sometimes develop digestive issues. Grounding to the earth can help to re-establish our emotional center. Walking barefoot is a great way to re-ground.

9. We tend to root for the underdog, those without voices, those who have been beaten down by the matrix, etc. We are very compassionate people, and these marginalized individuals often need more love. People can sense our loving hearts, so complete strangers will often tell us their life stories or approach us with their problems. While we don’t want to be a dumping ground for everyone’s issues, we are also a good ear for those working through their stuff.

10. We don’t feel the need to awaken every person we see. Within a few sentences we can interpret their level of comfort in discussions relating to consciousness. When necessary, we plant a seed and if it’s meant to grow it will. We understand that attempting to awaken those who are not ready is toxic to their sensibilities.

11. If we don’t learn how to set proper boundaries, we can get tired easily from taking on other people’s emotions. Energy Vampires are drawn to us like flies to paper, so we need to be extra vigilant in protecting ourselves at times.

12. We are all becoming healers. We naturally gravitate toward healing fields, acupuncture, reiki, Qi-Gong, yoga, massage, midwifery, etc. are fields we often find ourselves in. We know that the collective needs to be healed, and so we try our best to offer healing in whatever form we are most drawn to. We also turn away from the ‘traditional’ forms of healing ourselves. Preferring natural foods, herbs, and holistic medicine as ways to cure every ailment.

13. We see the possibilities before others do. Just like when the church told Copernicus he was wrong, and he stood by his heliocentric theory, we know what the masses refuse to believe. Our minds are light-years ahead.

14. We are creative. We sing, dance, paint, invent, or write. We have amazing imaginations.

15. We fully accept that we can only attract what is within our vibrational field. There are no experiences that we can obtain in physical form without attracting them from a vibrational perspective. That includes the most horrific experiences and the most beautiful ones. What we are learning to do is accept relationships and experiences for what they are. People and experiences are serving as reflections to teach us something about ourselves.

16. We don’t question what love is, why it is or how it presents itself. We know it is everywhere, in everyone and everything, all permeating and infinite.

17. We require more solitude than the average person.

18. We might get bored easily, but we are really good at entertaining ourselves.

19. We have a difficult time doing things we don’t want to do or don’t really enjoy. We really do believe life was meant to be an expression of joy. Why waste it doing something you hate? We aren’t lazy, we are discerning.

20. We are obsessed with bringing the truth to light.

21. We don’t live in fear of anything. Any and all changes coming, no matter how much they are perceived as negative or dramatic on our Earth, are being designed by us. We have passed the point of no return and the Earth is ascending to a higher state of consciousness. Nothing will stop it now.

22. We can’t keep track of time. Our imaginations often get away with us and a day can feel like a minute, a week, a day.

23. We abhor routine.

24. We often disagree with authority (for obvious reasons). Some people call it “anarchy” without a true understanding of what that word or our governments really are.

25. We will often be kind, but if you are egotistical or rude, we won’t spend much time with you or find an excuse to not hang out with people who are obsessed with themselves. We don’t ‘get’ people who are insensitive to other people’s feelings or points of view.

EDIT: WHERE DO YOU FIND YOUR SELF ON THIS LIST? MANY WHO CLAIM TO BE AWAKE AND AWARE ARE DELUSIONAL AND THIS INFO WILL ONLY FRUSTRATE THEM... IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GROWTH AND RISING ABOVE THE EGO, THEN LISTEN TO THAT VOICE YOU ARE HEARING THAT IS TELLING YOU TO GET BACK ON TRACK... THERE IS AN ENERGY/VIBRATION WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW THAT IS EFFECTING EVERYONE AND MANY HAVE BECOME DERAILED. TIME TO GET BACK ON TRACK! WHEN THINGS GO FURTHER TO CRAP AND PEOPLE ARE JERKED AWAKE THEY ARE GOING TO NEED THOSE OF US WHO WERE EARLY BIRDS...

[Apteka]

My experience is rather different but I have to admit that I am unlike many of you in that I am what is termed a homoreligiousus. The 'sojourners' do have a profound interest in our religion although it is a bit esoteric to them in that they do not express this interest to those who are themselves of a modern mindset, and furthermore, even among us they do not reveal it to the commoners but only to the special and perfected among us. To such they make these interests knowingly plain and have requested on many occasions to attend our Liturgy, and with special permission it has been granted. On one particular occasion two sojourners requested to attend our liturgy according to an older rite that existed prior to the changes initiated by a Council about a half century ago. An old Cistercian was summoned, nearly blind, who had the Canon of our ritual memorized. He would have another monk recite to him the particular prayers we call collects the day before so that he could commit them to memory as well. Several Superiors were present, one of an order famously known for its cerebral interests and activities. He literally gasped when he saw the sojourners genuflect and then make a profound prostration at the climax of our liturgical ritual. Afterwards the Superiors and several theologians requested the sojourners to speak on significance of this but they refused to comment. Although I have not seen it myself, it is said there are no less than twelve shelves of books dedicated to the philosophical and theological implications of this and other events, all hidden from the public of course.

[countertheanimator]

I'm not born telepathic, and not sure if anyone here on this forum is.
However i do possess a telepathic ability. Sometimes when my will is too strong i can contact people and even read their moves, thoughts.
Usually when i play football, i need 3 min to play and find my enemy team's weakness, plans to attack, dribble, etc.

And i too have contacted ETs. I usually ask them questions and get answers. If the answer is positive, i get positive energy from them. If it's negative, i get no response, and i know that if you piss them off, they'll wave you off with negative energy.

When i ask them:"Do you believe in God?"
There is no response.

[Agape]

Thought this is very good article ...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/moon-landi...2.html#7U5ktd6

Moon Landing Anniversary: The Psychology of Space Travel for Returning Astronauts

Forty years after Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the moon with the Apollo 11 mission, it emerged Nasa had neglected the astronauts on their return.
The 2009 report in Time magazine found that although the men were screened extensively for emotional problems before the mission, they were not monitored afterwards. J D Polk, the-then chief of medical operations at Nasa, said that while he was not sure of practices in the 1960s, "we do much more to lend assistance to astronauts now".
The psychological effects of space travel on astronauts are wide-ranging – from anxiety and depression to euphoria. Dr Steve Taylor, senior lecturer in Psychology at Leeds Metropolitan University, said many astronauts had profound spiritual experiences while in space: "When they came back to Earth it was as if they were living a new life with a new set of perspectives and values," he told IBTimes UK.
"A few of them had powerful spiritual experiences when they were on the moon and looking into space, they had a sense that the universe couldn't be accidental – it was too perfect."
In his book Out of the Darkness: From Turmoil to Transformation, Taylor spoke to astronauts about what happened while they were in space and how it had changed them. Two became born again Christians, one turned to volunteer work while another began writing poetry.
Taylor said astronauts tend to be very focused – like soldiers - and highly trained: "But they aren't really trained to take in the meaning of what they're doing.
"The interesting thing was that these were very scientifically minded people – not the sort of people you would expect to have a spiritual experience. They were hard-headed engineers, so it was quite surprising that many of them were affected in that way."
However, there is also a flipside. Some astronauts returning from space suffer from depression. Both Armstrong and Aldrin struggled after returning from the Moon – Armstrong was said to have been unable to cope with the fame the moon landing brought, while Aldrin famously discussed his battle with depression and alcoholism after the mission in his book Magnificent Desolation.
Speaking to the Guardian in 2009, he said: "I inherited tendencies in different directions [depression and an addictive personality] and those directions, if you feed them with a life of perfection and discipline and then remove that all of a sudden, it's probably going to go back to some of the more deep-seated concerns about self-worth and achievement. You did that as part of a team; what are you doing now? You get a job as a car salesman and you're a horrible car salesman. What does that do to a person's ego?"
While Taylor said his work focused specifically on the positive effects of space flight, he noted: "I guess that's connected to the anti-climactic after-effects. You could probably compare it to something like boxing – a lot of boxers who retire suffer from a sense of disorientation. They don't know what to do with themselves and become depressed.
"If you're an astronaut your whole life is geared towards a mission, and once the mission is over in a sense your purpose could be taken away from you."
In terms of the future of space travel and space tourism, with missions to Mars now being planned by Nasa and other national space agencies, Taylor said he believes more people travelling outside of the Earth's atmosphere is a "great thing".
He said that if space travel can have an "awakening effect" on astronauts, it could have similar effects on the general population too, giving them a better sense of appreciation: "One of our biggest problems as human beings is that we don't appreciate things and take things for granted. If you go to space and you're taken away from everything that makes up your life - taken away from life itself – when you come back and you appreciate everything."
He also believes it could lead to a more peaceful planet: "I think it would even help to alleviate some political difficulties – the nationalism that people have that make them feel rivalry towards other national groups and creates divisions in countries.
"When you travel to space you realise there are no divisions because there are no countries – just sea and land. Travelling into space would help create a planetary awareness, bending the divisions of nationality."

And it's what can't be easily neglected and denied, spiritual awakenings happening to people who experienced contact with out-of-earth intelligencies and entities .

Then you have whole scale of physical effects , both short and long term that bears whole meaning of reality for those involved .

But ... it seems to be the easiest so far , neglect that anyone and anything is going on here .

[araucaria]

Posted by countertheanimator (here)
I'm not born telepathic, and not sure if anyone here on this forum is.
However i do possess a telepathic ability. Sometimes when my will is too strong i can contact people and even read their moves, thoughts.
Usually when i play football, i need 3 min to play and find my enemy team's weakness, plans to attack, dribble, etc.

And i too have contacted ETs. I usually ask them questions and get answers. If the answer is positive, i get positive energy from them. If it's negative, i get no response, and i know that if you piss them off, they'll wave you off with negative energy.

When i ask them:"Do you believe in God?"
There is no response.

And if your footballing opponents are angels, you would attack them down the middle I guess, as they have two strong wings....

Agape, interesting typo in that article; 'Lance Armstrong' is a disgraced cycling champion; the guy's name was Neil.

[Agape]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...d-by-Nasa.html

Apollo 11 Moon landing: astronauts were neglected by Nasa

The agency exhaustively screened Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins for emotional stability before clearing them for the Apollo 11 flight, but did not continue to monitor them after they returned, according to a report in Time magazine.
Dr. J D Polk, NASA's current chief of medical operations, told Time that the three men and their families should have been offered psychological help after the mission ended on July 24 1969.
"I'm not sure of what we did then, but it's nothing like what we do now," he said. "We do much more to lend assistance to astronauts and their families."
Lawrence Palinkas, a professor of anthropology at the University of Southern California, said Nasa did its astronauts a disservice in failing to offer them any help readjusting to life on Earth.
"What can make it hard for people like this is that they're so highly motivated and they wait so long for a mission," Prof. Palinkas told Time. "There can be a deep sense of loss once the goals have been accomplished, and there may be no adequate substitute."
Buzz Aldrin, the second man to step from the Eagle landing module and onto the lunar surface on July 20 1969, was the first to show the psychological strain of space travel after the astronauts returned.
His mother, born Marion Moon, had killed herself shortly before Apollo 11 was launched because she could not cope with the pressure of her son’s fame.
Aldrin began to drink heavily in the three-week quarantine the astronauts underwent to screen them for lunar pathogens when they returned from the Moon, according to Time. This began a cycle of severe depression and alcoholism that haunted him for nine years.
His second marriage of 21 years broke down soon after his return and he was remarried and divorced again within two years.
"The transition from 'astronaut preparing to accomplish the next big thing' to 'astronaut telling about the last big thing' did not come easily to me," he wrote in his new book, Magnificent Desolation. “What does a man do for an encore?"
Other former-astronauts have also spoken of their struggle to readjust after returning from the Moon.
Dave Scott, commander of Apollo 15, said: "I remember coming back to Houston after the Moon, and my neighbours had a barbecue for me. I thought, 'What am I doing here?'”
Ken Mattingly, command module pilot of Apollo 15, told Time: "People in wars have the same experience. They're in one world with one set of rules, and they step off an aeroplane and they're in another."

This is it exactly , more or less and what it's worth of . Maybe 50 years later someone will say they should have helped us, or that we'd have been worthy to them .
Now they just don't believe it's important .
And it's what happens all the time .