Input? Melchizedek, Contrasting Faces/Followers of - Good or Bad

[cursichella1]

Contrasting Faces /Followers of Melchizadek - Good angel or fallen angel, alien, god or God? There are many opinions, teachings and he (historical figure mentioned in the Bible, Nag Hammadi scrolls and elsewhere) has many followers:

Melchizedek Sons, The Melchizedek Order of the White Brotherhood, Order of Melchizedeks, The Melchizedek Method, Melchizedek Priesthood, the Mormon Melchizedek Priesthood, Alpha Omega Order of Melchizedek, Drunvalo Melchizedek, the Melchizedek taxi driver...

I'm bringing this up because it begs investigation...it is quite a mystery - so many different groups lay claim and believe that they know who/what Melchizedek represents. Every group seems to have their own take depending on their agenda.

The minute one finds some good info on Melchizedek, then next find shows the opposite. I can think of no other historical (and maybe current, too?) figure that seems to have so many contrasting identities (except for Lucifer, of whom Melchizedek may be one and the same. Literally, God or Satan, Good or Evil.

I have great respect for my fellow Avalonians' knowledge, opinion and ability to see through "smoke and mirrors", which is what this is starting to look like. I'd be very grateful for your input. I don't see anywhere on the forum that the Melchizedek entity/historical figure/groups that revere him have been scrutinized (except for discussions on the person Drunvalo Melchizedek*, which have been positive).

I'd never even heard the word Melchizedek until reading Jacques Vallee's Messenger's of Deception.

Vallee wrote, "According to the Urantia system the Melchizadek, the development of all the world religions is due to Melchizedek messengers..." (so not necessarily a good thing, right?)

Vallee and those that posted what later happened to Vallee as a case of Synchronicity:
http://www.synchrosecrets.com/synchrosecrets/?p=14

...“One afternoon in Los Angeles in the winter of 1976, the week he began compiling his notes on various branches of the UFO cult “the Order of Melchizedek” for what became Messengers of Deception, Jacques Vallee stood curbside at Sunset Blvd and hailed a taxi. He looked downstream at the rush hour traffic, raised his hand towards several oncoming cabs, and one swerved into the curb lane and stopped for him. After a short ride, during which Vallee did not discuss his current research, he paid his fare and accepted a receipt. He stuffed it in his wallet and thought nothing more of it, until two days he noticed it was signed Melchizedek:

“I cannot afford to write this story, because I cannot expect anyone to believe it. At the same time I cannot sweep it under the rug. There is only one Melchizedek listed in the LA phone book, and I have the receipt signed by the driver right in front of me. [Reproduced in the book: "2-21-76 Receive $6.25 for taxi fare from Roosevelt Hotel to 3321 S La Cienega, Red & White Cab #98 M. Melchizedek."] It was this incident that convinced me to put more energy into understanding the nature of such coincidences.”

Vallee, who is both a computer scientist and a UFOlogist, invested his energy in Information Theory, which led to his model of an Associative Universe.”

(To me, it seemed like more of a lure, as if it is a contrived clue he's supposed to chase down.) Anyway, Vallee later writes:

"The Book of Urantia" devotes a section to the special work of the Melchizedeks, which has to do with the supervision of the "progressive morontia career of the ascending mortals," meaning you and me:

While the Melchizedek orders are chiefly devoted to the vast educational system and experimental training regime of the local universe, they also function in unique assignments and in unusual circumstances...

In a planetary crisis these Melchizedek Sons serve in many unique [sic] capacities. It is easily possible for such a son to make himself visible to mortal beings, and sometimes one of this order has even incarnated in the likeness of mortal flesh."

So, being curious, I started looking into Melchizadek-related info and now find myself totally beyond confused. For those who know nothing of Melchizedek and would like to jump in, here's a starter and some links follow.

According to some, Melchizedek is or was at one time or another:

Jesus
2nd part of the trinity
"God" manifest
Messiah
Lord
mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls
in The Bible Code, Yeshua
Illumined god
a highly spiritual being
a King
Yeshua (Good)
A "good" light bearer or Lucifer
a saintly Priest
an Archangel
Thoth
Archangel Michael's first son
an Aaronic Priest
Buddha and Krishna reincarnate
An Ascended Master
"Advanced" Being who took over (a walk-in) a man named Bernard Perona and who now goes by the name Drunvalo Melchizedek*
one or all of the above

OR

THE messenger of deception
creator of controlling religions
a revered entity for Mormons
connected to the "Ashtar Command"
Lucifer
Satan
Yeshua (the Bad version)
Thoth
Marduk
An Archon
Son of an Archon
Moloch (& Owl of Bohemian Club veneration...)
a reptilian Ascended Master
An alien from Orion
an entity that has possessed a man named Bernard Perona and who now goes by the name Drunvalo Melchizedek*
somehow connected to the CIA

And Melchizedek's followers are:

apostles
priests
saintly
highly spiritual
connected to source
multi-dimensional
specially trained
chosen ones
otherwise special
one or all of the above

OR:

members of a very secret group for high echelon men in the Mormon Church
confused New Agers
New Age confusers
ascensionists
devil worshipers
shadow government
Satanists
cult members
illuminati
the "elite"

Many Avalon members have written great things about The Urantia Book which makes dismissing what it says about Melchizedek hard to do. Many Avalonians have said great things about Drunvalo Melchizedek. On the other hand and IMO, anything creepily secret within the Mormon Church has baaaaaad written all over it. Many god-kings mentioned anciently probably relate to an alien presence, so then one needs to figure out good alien or bad alien? Was he Baal, connected to Enoch, who is a big deal to Freemasons...? Marduk? Jesus?

Some links with opinions:

Making sense of Melchizedek
http://media.mpc.org.au/resources/2011/20111106.html

A Scientologist finds interesting correlations with Drunvalo's "Dimensions and Angels"
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/201...f-scientology/

A great thread on David Icke forum covering this subject that is informative and goes deeper...so further confusion
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63300

Mormon Matters: Scientologists – The Only Ones Who Can Really Help
http://mormonmatters.org/2008/01/18/...n-really-help/

The Melchizedek Method
http://www.truefreethinker.com/artic...thod-part-1-10

Free download of Jacque Vallee's Messengers of Deception
http://issuu.com/disclosureproject/d...engers_of_dece
(see Chapter "The Venusian Candidate" )

The Gnostic Society Library - The Nag Hammadi Library
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/melchiz.html

Drunvalo Melchizedek Website
http://www.drunvalo.net/

Dominion of Melchizedek (A sovereign Nation?!)
http://www.melchizedek.com/

Who was Melchizedek? Parashat Lekha - Exploring the identity of Melchizedek
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scr...lchizedek.html

http://christianity.about.com/od/old...elchizedek.htm

The 5/6 earthly identities of Michael, Gabriel and Melchizedek
http://www.truebiblecode.com/understanding506.html

Bible Probe: Appearances of Jesus prior to coming as the Messiah
http://www.bibleprobe.com/melchizedek1.htm

Melchizedek was Cainan
http://www.biblecodeintro.com/intro20.html

p.s. The plot thickens, probably tip of the iceberg...:

The training of the Alpha and Omega Order of Melchizedek included DNA activation. http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/dnaa...n08oct07.shtml

The "Melchizedek Communique"; there are lots - scroll down on this one then check out their archives. Formerly known as ConspiracyNation:
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html#LatestCommuniques

and .pdf file that is the intro and first chapter of the editor's (of the above) book:
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Sample.pdf

"Golden Etheric Order of Melchizedek, under the tutelage of David Livingstone" with intro from Ken Adachi, editor of www.educate-yourself.org:
http://www.educate-yourself.org/zsl/

p.p.s. From University of St. Andrews, School of Divinity:

Melchizedek, Michael and War in Heaven
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/divinity.../melcharticle/


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[Zanshin]

Another angle cursichella

- Winston Shrout talks of the judges in court under (Roman) ecclesiastical law [the highest level of the law we all operate under]
operating as Levites.
The trick is we allow them to practice law (make decisions for us) from the bench as part of the Levitcal priesthood unless we hold them to account as
impartial adjudicators after the fashion of Melchizidek - so his take would be that the manner of Melchizidek is something to aspire to in a system where
at the highest level under Canon Law, the judge becomes the black robed priest of Saturn (Satan) dispensing 'justice' in accordance with Papal Bulls written
on parchment of kid.

That's where the satanic side comes in - where the Papal Bulls that back Canon Law are written on parchment tanned from the skin of a kid; an innocent
child sacrificed in the bowels of the Vatican in offering to Baal. Visit Frank O'Collin's Ucadia site for more on the magick woven into the rules we agree to
live by.

Winston details the difference between Levitcal and Order of Melchizidek in his lectures on the King James version of the Bible as the basic Book of Commerce,
followed to the letter by TPTB.
Forgive me I don't have any ready links to his material.

[cursichella1]

Posted by Zanshin (here)
...Winston details the difference between Levitcal and Order of Melchizidek in his lectures on the King James version of the Bible as the basic Book of Commerce,
followed to the letter by TPTB.
Forgive me I don't have any ready links to his material.

Thank you for your reply, Zanshin. I think the links you mentioned are: www.ucadia.com and www.wssic.org (a commerce site?)

I'll check them out.

[DNA]

FROM HERE

Gen.14, Ps.110, Heb.7

The name Melchizedek means king of righteousness consisting of two words, Melek-King , Zedek-Righteousness which are a interpretation of his name. This person was also known as the King of Salem meaning king of peace, a title given to a historical person living in Abrahams time.

Little is known about this person who suddenly appears on the scene in Abraham’s day. Abraham either recognized this priest as one who worshipped the most high God or heard of him from others, because he freely offered a tenth of his spoils from his battle, so it does seem to imply some previous contact and knowledge (Gen.14:18). Abraham receives the meal and blessing from this priest after his victory in battle and this priest vanishes from any recorded history after his brief encounter recorded in Genesis. This is typology of in the priest mediating the Passover giving a future reference to the Son who would also do this by his own body. Mt. 26:26-28)

Previous to Moses time period sacrifices were offered by the head of the family. Abraham’s time most believe took place in the same period as Jobs. The priest was the Father, or grandfather being the oldest in the family line. As the family grew to be a tribe the head came to be the king as well as the priest, so he was the priest/king of their tribe.

Later on into the days of Moses the 12 tribes had grown to be the nation of Israel which god delivered out of their bondage. A priesthood was created from Aaron, out of the tribe of Levi which became the Levitical priesthood order for the sacrificial system. Later another family was set apart for being the kings, the family of David. The king was then to rule the people and the priest was to mediate between God and man through the sacrificial system.

No king could be a priest, although but he could be a prophet. No priest could be a king, although he too could be a prophet. Some scholars point to the sudden appearance of the Zadokite line of priests after David’s capture of Jerusalem, suggesting they descended from the Melchizedek line and merged with the Aaronic line (Hard sayings of the Bible Kaiser, Davids . Bruce, Brauch) ( In Hebrew Tzedek means righteousness, Zadok and Zedek are forms of the same root word (Heb.4:14-5:11)

Melchizedek continued to be a mystery even in the NT period. In the early church there were certain individuals who considered Melchizedek as divine, one who promoted this was called Theodotus’ the II (for a lack of better identification). Teaching on Hebrews he said, the only other divine being besides the Father, was the Spirit who is identified as the Son. It was the Holy Spirit that appeared to Abraham in the priest Melchizedek. Hippolytus stood against this claiming they worship Melchizedek. This is possibly true or could have been an exaggeration, as A.Harnack states in his book History of Dogma. It certainly is not out of the reach of possibility since they considered him divine.

Hebrew tradition tells us it was Shem, Noah’s Son that was still alive at the time of Abraham and would certainly make him be the oldest man alive qualifying him as a candidate for the order of Melchizedek.

Abraham lived to 2121 B.C. and Shem lived to 2156 B.C . Abrahams father was Terah who was in the line of Shem so this would make tribal sense that Abraham knew Shem and that he was the priest /king over their tribe . Noah predicted that Canaan would serve under Shem (Gen.9:26) Shem is also attributed to be the father of the children of Eber which is where we get the word "Hebrew" which means crossed over the river or one who came from the other side ( such as from paganism to true worship) (Gen.10:21, 11:10-27). Also the Messiah comes from the line of Shem. However there seems to be a flaw in him being the candidate because we know his line and descendants. It states for Melchizedek we do not know his genealogy, which rules out Shem.

Most who believe Melchizedek was a theophany or an Christophany of Christ use the scripture in Heb.7:3 to support their argument. "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, made like the Son of god he remains a priest forever. First is the saying made like in Greek meaning, "to make a facsimile", "to produce a model or copy (Wuest). Not that he is a Son. It is the priesthood that continues, which is a type of Christ’s perpetual priesthood. The idea is that no human could be without father or mother having no beginning days or end of life. The Greek makes it clear " Gr. apator, ametor, agenealogetos" translated= without father, without mother without recorded genealogy." This could mean if interpreted as such, as of divine origin, meaning he was without human origin. Except their are a few flaws in this view that are not to be ignored. It seems to be making the point of having no human parentage. This does not mean he was never born nor never died.

Hi

From what I understand, Melchizedek came from the Old Testement, and was a Mystical Jewish order for some time.
Some say this mystical order later turned into the Essene brother hood.

I would give quite a bit of credit to what The Urantia Book states.

I'm absolutely impressed that Jaque Vallee gave the Urantia book so much credit.
I would like to read his book "messengers of deception" a great deal.

From the Urantia book, it is stated that we shouldn't be so hard on ourselves when it comes to much of our cultural supposed truths like religion showing strains and limitations in so far as a source to guide us.

Things like religion were absolutely useful to our species at a earlier time, and religion still holds a place for many on the planet.

We can judge religion based on the negatives such as war and prejudice.
But it has also served as a cultural binder and given folks the ability to evolve ethically.

I'm personally not religious at all, but I"m very spiritual.
And in so far as the Urantia stating the Melchizedek priests started religion, even if this is so, I wouldn't look at it as a bad thing. We very much have needed religion from time to time.
Hopefully we have time to outgrow it though.

[dim]

All Souls - or better yet all waves of souls, since souls are born in waves - have to pass more or less through the same experiences
in order to mature towards their sovereignty,
that means through all the spectrum of duality and separation which is done in life cycles that span over thousands even millions of years
some of you here in Avalon belong in soul waves older than earth itself
and duality means that we have to learn through opposites, we spend many life times playing the good guy and many playing the bad guy
sometimes we are the oppressor and sometimes the victim,
sometimes we just spent entire lifetimes watching tv and eating pizza
thus the info about a particular soul group like Melchizedek can be contradicting, it's not
is just the same energy passing through the various life lessons
From Lucifer - the innocence > to Satan - the fall from grace > to Christ - the 2nd innocence or the duality transcendence

just a rough sketch.

[cursichella1]

Posted by dim (here)
All Souls...
sometimes we just spent entire lifetimes watching tv and eating pizza
thus the info about a particular soul group like Melchizedek can be contradicting, it's not
is just the same energy passing through the various life lessons
From Lucifer - the innocence > to Satan - the fall from grace > to Christ - the 2nd innocence or the duality transcendence

just a rough sketch.

Wow, I sure hope you're not accusing me of sleeping through life with pizza and tv because I'm questioning this particular entity' s reported history and followers as being one massive contradiction? Lolol

Expecting sacrifice, tithing, worship and carrying out God's or god's punishments early on and Lord knows what with tithing, worship and DNA activation within secret Mormon groups and a myriad of "brotherhoods", seen by some as the Great Deceiver now, while others see him as divine, illumined and empowering, judicially fair, perhaps even our Creator?

I get that souls evolve and it is conceivable that this is the case, however, it doesn't explain his numerous, varied and for the most part cultish fan clubs that are entirely in contradiction with someone like Drunvalo Melchizedek and others. This adds up to a naggingly huge strangeness IMO.

[cursichella1]

Posted by DNA (here)
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Hi

From what I understand, Melchizedek came from the Old Testement, and was a Mystical Jewish order for some time.
Some say this mystical order later turned into the Essene brother hood.

I would give quite a bit of credit to what The Urantia Book states.

I'm absolutely impressed that Jaque Vallee gave the Urantia book so much credit.
I would like to read his book "messengers of deception" a great deal.

From the Urantia book, it is stated that we shouldn't be so hard on ourselves when it comes to much of our cultural supposed truths like religion showing strains and limitations in so far as a source to guide us.

Things like religion were absolutely useful to our species at a earlier time, and religion still holds a place for many on the planet.

We can judge religion based on the negatives such as war and prejudice.
But it has also served as a cultural binder and given folks the ability to evolve ethically.

I'm personally not religious at all, but I"m very spiritual.

And in so far as the Urantia stating the Melchizedek priests started religion, even if this is so, I wouldn't look at it as a bad thing. We very much have needed religion from time to time.
Hopefully we have time to outgrow it though.

Thanks, DNA. I can appreciate that religion had/has its merits. Although I'm far from being a practicing Catholic now, I'm quite certain attending Catholic school helped to shape my morals and probably even saved my life a few times during my 'wild teens'.

Jacques Vallee's Messengers of Deception is available as a free download here:

http://issuu.com/disclosureproject/d...engers_of_dece

I'd seen the breakdown of the first part of Melchizedek as Melch = Moloch (Bohemian's infamous Owl), as well, but funny, my spellcheck keeps correcting "melch" to "Enoch"! Cosmic!

[DNA]

Posted by dim (here)
All Souls - or better yet all waves of souls, since souls are born in waves - have to pass more or less through the same experiences
in order to mature towards their sovereignty,
that means through all the spectrum of duality and separation which is done in life cycles that span over thousands even millions of years
some of you here in Avalon belong in soul waves older than earth itself
and duality means that we have to learn through opposites, we spend many life times playing the good guy and many playing the bad guy
sometimes we are the oppressor and sometimes the victim,
sometimes we just spent entire lifetimes watching tv and eating pizza
thus the info about a particular soul group like Melchizedek can be contradicting, it's not
is just the same energy passing through the various life lessons
From Lucifer - the innocence > to Satan - the fall from grace > to Christ - the 2nd innocence or the duality transcendence

just a rough sketch.

I like what you are saying. It sounds very much like "THE MICHAEL TEACHINGS", which like the Urantia Book are one of the few channeled works that I absolutely adore.

The Urantia book makes the Melchezideks sound like a soul group that has finished incarnating and has been trusted with Angelic civil service type duties.

I do believe there are new avenues for learning that are beyond incarnating in the mortal coil we have learned to know and love.