This evening in Israel

[Tesseract]

Time to relax in a comfortable chair and watch Palestinians get murdered.

[Violet]

"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi

[Libico]

I'm really not sure what the point of posting a picture like that is - yes, there are brain-washed people in all countries including Israel (and Palestine) that rejoice over destruction of their perceived enemies. The situation and what is happening here is horrible and the majority of the people on both sides don't want any sort of escalation. I'm sorry, but I akin a post like this to what you see on MSM pro-Israel news showing the few Palestinians glorifying an attack on Israel with celebration painting all Palestinians as mindless, rabid terrorists and terrorist supporters, and MSM pro-Palestinian news showing a picture like this where despite the massive bombardment going on in Gaza, the desensitized and racist Israelis are enjoying a BBQ and reveling in destruction and death.

I can understand your frustration and anger towards the overkill (and pointless) Israeli response - many of us here are feeling the same, but a post like this seems designed to further fan the flames on anger and resentment.

[Polyamine]

You are 100% wrong. In that picture, it shows the firing of Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system. That means that Hamas or the Palestinians have fired rockets at Israel and they are attempting to intercept them. If you wish to convey your political views, at least be correct with what you depict.

[The Truth Is In There]

the whole point of creating the state of israel in exactly that place was to set the stage for a third world war. since most humans don't think for themselves nothing that happens there is a surprise.

[Tesseract]

Posted by Libico (here)

I can understand your frustration and anger towards the overkill (and pointless) Israeli response - many of us here are feeling the same, but a post like this seems designed to further fan the flames on anger and resentment.

There is not enough anger and resentment, that is the problem.

[Observer1964]

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by Libico (here)

I can understand your frustration and anger towards the overkill (and pointless) Israeli response - many of us here are feeling the same, but a post like this seems designed to further fan the flames on anger and resentment.

There is not enough anger and resentment, that is the problem.

1st we've got to get MAD !!!

Our lives (incl. Palestinians) have value...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WGiX5tbLKiY

[Pam]

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by Libico (here)

I can understand your frustration and anger towards the overkill (and pointless) Israeli response - many of us here are feeling the same, but a post like this seems designed to further fan the flames on anger and resentment.

There is not enough anger and resentment, that is the problem.

What you have depicted here is tragic. But the truth be known I doubt there is a country anywhere at any time that could not be depicted in a similar way. As long as there are imaginary nationalistic borders created by humans there will continue to be scenarios of tragedy and devastation. And, I do not believe anger and resentment will do anything except add another layer to the tragedies we are already experiencing.

[Libico]

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by Libico (here)

I can understand your frustration and anger towards the overkill (and pointless) Israeli response - many of us here are feeling the same, but a post like this seems designed to further fan the flames on anger and resentment.

There is not enough anger and resentment, that is the problem.

I disagree with you here - I think the base emotion that the average citizen feels regarding the other side is anger and resentment... years and years of it that has built up. The problem is that it is being directed towards the generalized religion/nationality instead of the leadership. I can't comment on what a Palestinian in Gaza or West Bank is exposed to as far as media and societal norms, but in Israel it is literally pushed down our throats how we are the victims and Arabs will kill us if we ever let our guard down. Military successes are glorified to instill patriotism and we are never really presented with the humanity of the other side, as everything is just propaganda from anti-Semites. Our little interaction with Palestinians comes during army service when we are taught to look at them with suspicion and treat them like ****. Israeli victims are bombarded on TV to give us emotional attachment to their suffering, and Palestinian victims are given a short blurb or a dry statistic - rarely will you see the human side unless it is a positive thing (how we treated them in a hospital, or helped them in some other way - always with a slant to keep us as the good guys). I'm generalizing here, but that is what you see on TV news, and certainly what we've seen here over the past week.

All this does is further reinforce the emotional response of hatred and anger towards the other side - do you know how many seemingly intelligent people are quick to say "we need to go in and wipe them all out" or "we should bomb them to destroy everything there to show them - they don't understand anything else", or something along those lines. These aren't fanatical people and if you probe their rationale I find that the majority quickly backtrack on what they said, but it's the default instinctive response to damn an entire population without any form of sympathy or empathy as to what life may be like for them - it's what we've been taught.

So my response to your initial post was not trying to question your anger or resentment, but to hopefully show you that you directing your anger to Israelis in general isn't correct. Building awareness of the real issues won't be done by spouting hatred towards Israelis/Palestinians as it will just be dismissed outright and get people further entrenched in their positions.

[rgray222]

Posted by Tesseract (here)
Time to relax in a comfortable chair and watch Palestinians get murdered.


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Putting more hate into the world serves no positive useful purpose.

[Observer1964]

Speaking for myself,
I think human population everywhere is made up of similar characters, and among them is a relative small but loudmouthed group that sees violence as a solution.
I am not blaming any human anywhere other than those in charge of the wrongdoing.

I understand how the world is manipulated in many ways but i cant be not angry over the spilling of innocent blood, no matter the nationality.
I dont see how not getting angry will change any thing, dont we all see how we are being led into an age of madness with all the consequences..

I just feel sad that even here we seem to just find dividedness...

[Tesseract]

Posted by Polyamine (here)
You are 100% wrong. In that picture, it shows the firing of Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system. That means that Hamas or the Palestinians have fired rockets at Israel and they are attempting to intercept them. If you wish to convey your political views, at least be correct with what you depict.

From the Danish journalist: “Israelis bringing chairs 2 hilltop in sderot 2 watch latest from Gaza. Clapping when blasts are heard.”

And:

“People have dragged camping chairs and sofas to the top of the hill. Several sit with crackling bags of popcorn, while others smoke hookahs and talk cheerfully,”

Go back to hasbara school.

[Tesseract]

You see, I am not one of these effete neo-liberals who, as if they have been trained, repeat the typical politically correct narrative which benefits the status-quo. Such to the tune of ‘both sides need to refrain from violence’, ‘both sides are bad’, ‘we need to end the division’, and so on and so on, without ever committing themselves to supporting the resistance or condemning Zionism.

I put it to everyone who has viewed, thanked, or commented on this thread: which side are you on? Really, which side?

I, if it is not obvious, am on the side of the Palestinians, I always will be, and I will always be against the state of Israel. You can not be with Israel, and with the Palestinians at the same time. Israel by definition is a Jewish state, and one which has a policy of ‘Palestinians out’ and ‘Jews in’.

The position of not taking a side, and at the same time offering such bland (but possibly well meaning) statements as calling for unity, love and healing is in fact a moral failure, given the dynamic realities on the ground. These kinds of statements are like saying today ‘I am with the Ukrainian people’ – a completely meaningless, populist, cop-out, as it implies you are ‘with’ the fascists and the anti-fascists at the same time. The Israel-Palestine conflict is a litmus test. Just as Apartheid South Africa was a litmus test in the past. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people, in their liberal intellectualism, their quest to be seen on the intellectual moral high-ground, who are failing this litmus test.

The morally righteous thing to do regarding this conflict is to support the side of the Palestinians. It's not complicated, get off the fence and support the Palestinians. Personally, I hope that the F-16s dropping the bombs get shot down and the destroyers off the coast plough into a mine field. And to that end I wish all players in the Palestinian resistance every success, and I will not shy from making blatant, unqualified, attacks on Zionism and those who support it.

[indigopete]

Posted by Libico (here)
All this does is further reinforce the emotional response of hatred and anger towards the other side - do you know how many seemingly intelligent people are quick to say "we need to go in and wipe them all out" or "we should bomb them to destroy everything there to show them - they don't understand anything else", or something along those lines. These aren't fanatical people and if you probe their rationale I find that the majority quickly backtrack on what they said, but it's the default instinctive response to damn an entire population without any form of sympathy or empathy as to what life may be like for them - it's what we've been taught.

Thanks for your contributions. It's very refreshing to read them and be reminded that there are independent thinkers on all sides who have more in common with each other than any of our so called "media" would have us believe.

[Violet]

Libico, I applaud your introspection.

I can't but hope someone/something/whatever can stop these gruesome events, on both sides, at once. Also, I wish there was something we could do for the victims, all or at least some of them.

[Violet]

Posted by Tesseract (here)
You see, I am not one of these effete neo-liberals who, as if they have been trained, repeat the typical politically correct narrative which benefits the status-quo. Such to the tune of ‘both sides need to refrain from violence’, ‘both sides are bad’, ‘we need to end the division’, and so on and so on, without ever committing themselves to supporting the resistance or condemning Zionism.

I read this just now

Oh dear, I'm a neo-liberal And at the same time you and I share a feeling that something must be done:

Also, I wish there was something we could do for the victims, all or at least some of them.

I'll give you an example of something I was reminded of. I heard a muslim say that he found it unfair that he had to pay for what Bin Laden did by being questioned on a daily basis about how seriously he takes his holy book, what his feelings on terrorism are, if he agrees with what Bin Laden did, and so on...

This is an individual - like so many - that pays the price of what a group decides to commit on atrocities. Does not the same danger lurk here?

[ghostrider]

sad , people can't live in peace with their neighbors just because they view god differently than someone else ... all fighting over the sand and an imaginary line ... maybe that's where the expression , the line in the sand is drawn comes from ... you don't believe the way I do then you must be the devil and I must purge Evil , funny Evil backwards is Live ... our world is so backwards , the peace symbol is upside down it means death , the star of david stands for Violence ... the correct way the symbol for peace is like a tree growing up branching out , that means peace ... thanks to the plejaren for helping me understand where hatred and violence stems from = mis-information , corrupt teaching , and the spirit of power and control that was brought here by their ancestors long ago - the sons of heaven ...

[Tesseract]

Posted by Violet (here)

Posted by Tesseract (here)
You see, I am not one of these effete neo-liberals who, as if they have been trained, repeat the typical politically correct narrative which benefits the status-quo. Such to the tune of ‘both sides need to refrain from violence’, ‘both sides are bad’, ‘we need to end the division’, and so on and so on, without ever committing themselves to supporting the resistance or condemning Zionism.

I read this just now

Oh dear, I'm a neo-liberal And at the same time you and I share a feeling that something must be done:

Also, I wish there was something we could do for the victims, all or at least some of them.

I'll give you an example of something I was reminded of. I heard a muslim say that he found it unfair that he had to pay for what Bin Laden did by being questioned on a daily basis about how seriously he takes his holy book, what his feelings on terrorism are, if he agrees with what Bin Laden did, and so on...

This is an individual - like so many - that pays the price of what a group decides to commit on atrocities. Does not the same danger lurk here?

You have to be careful with trying to form parallels like this. From you example, it seems like the problem in your example is judging/becoming suspicious of all muslims because of the actions of Bin Laden. So, you risk making the extension that I, or others like me, are judging all Jews based on the actions of a few. Of course this would be wrong, for reasons that I hope I don't have to explain.

Alternatively - one may interpret what you said as there being a risk that I am judging all Zionists by the actions of a few, and that that would be bad. When in fact, I am indeed making a judgment against all Zionists - and I would reject any suggestion that this is somehow wrong of me, because the entire political movement is immoral and any one who subscribes to Zionism ought to be condemned because of that very subscription. Of course, the condemnation should be more severe for the worst of the bunch, as it was for the worst of the Nazis. So, to be clear, while there are completely innocent muslims, there are no completely innocent zionists - except for those who are too young to know better.

There is so much that could be done. Egypt could open the Rafa Gates (there must surely be some kind of secret agreement with Israel via the USA to keep them shut), the US and everyone else should stop supplying weapons (you have the absurd situation of Obama freely supplying Israel with bombs while simultaneously, allegedly, trying to negotiate a ceasefire), the arab states should run the blockade which is recognised internationally as being illegal, Israel should be held to account for it's nuclear program - so many things could be done even without firing a shot. Of course, the only people who do do anything are Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah (all the 'bad' guys).

[Observer1964]

Just for a good perspective on how things evolved in Palestine over time...



Someone made a nice comparisson with my country as example...

Suppose, in the United States a mad man comes to power who arrests and kills all people with a Frisian forefather.
It is a massacre of unprecedented scale, and when the anti-Frisian regime finally falls, it is clear that the Frisian survivors do not want to live in America. So there is a plan: Let the Frisians have their own state, and what is a more logical place than the country that according to ancient texts is Fries? Despite the Dutch resistance the United Nations votes to plan and attract people with a Frisian grandparent from around the world towards the new Frisian state,
generously subsidized by America.

Stel, in de verenigde staten wordt een gek de baas die alle mensen met een Friese grootouder laat oppakken en afmaken.
Het wordt een moordpartij van ongekende omvang, en als het anti-Friese bewind
eindelijk ten val komt, is duidelijk dat de Friese overlevenden niet meer in Amerika willen wonen. Dus komt er een plan: de Friezen krijgen een eigen staat, en wat is een logischer plek dan het land dat volgens oude teksten Fries is? Ondanks het Nederlandse verzet stemmen de Vereenigde Naties met het plan in en uit de hele wereld trekken mensen met een Friese grootouder richting de nieuwe Friese staat,
royaal gesubsidieerd door Amerika.

* Sorry but i dont know how to scale the picture down here *

Now imagine this happening to your country....

[Observer1964]

As I understand semites are a people living in the middle east, nowadays Arabs, Palestinians etc...



The Khazars adopted the hebrew religion as a political move...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5TVd8ovSPl4

The Hebrew bible has been translated and twisted the truth about events that happened long ago,

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j4MXLB6SwPg

Full playlist;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4MX...AB6004FC537CF7

Events that are described in bigger detail in the Sumerian tablets...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wiLnfyfh-3s

Full oversight of the tablets of the lost memories of Enki



After studying all this I get an understanding that God (the real creator of all) is not the same as the god of the bible, at least for the most part, and that these alien gods have been manipulating mankind since they made (geneticly modifying the homo erectus to us) them as workslaves.

According to the terra papers there are a few powerfull Star-empires, among them the SSSTA wich is located in the Orions belt. (thats why the pyramids are placed like Orion's belt.)

They are the ones behind for example Hitler (Orion=Ari-an)

anyway to cut it short, those Khazars 'worship' the SSSTA (Satan) and what is going on is just an agenda to bring Earth under direct control of this Orion-empire.

So I just see it with sad eyes, as I understand that this all just part of a agenda to enslave Earth...

To bad we let ourselves be devided so easily.
We are even warned this would happen in the revalations, and still we go on with the agenda, I can Imagine how much 'they' look down on us.