Suicide news

[Natalia]

Hi, just found out by email today that someone who I knew for a short while (went to her classes for a few months last year) took her own life. At first I was in shock, then I just cried and cried, had to call my mum and talk and then sis.

It's just so sad when people do this, and it means that they must have been in a lot of pain, and how it must effect the people who they leave behind...for her own privacy I don't want to say anything about her at all, other than, she was a beautiful lady, teacher, and dancer.

(please, I know this is a sensitive thing, it would upset me if anyone said anything negative about people who do this, please do not do it in this thread, let's be compassionate and gentle to the soul who has departed).

[etheric underground]

I have had A relative by marriage drink a bottle of whiskey, take a bottle of pills and walk into the ocean. Ive also had a work colleague hang himself in his room out here in the mines..... Another guy punched his mate, knocked him over and killed him....A week later he took his own life from guilt.
These Times will be remembered for all the wrong reasons...This is the prison planet ( hell on earth) we were destined to forget all our amazing qualities and not have any real help. So for all of us waking up and remembering why we are here and believing that we can rise above these times...I salute you....We are true light warriors changing the game, we must find inner strength and have faith in our true intentions.MUCH LOVE!!!

[Shezbeth]

There are a great multitude of reasons why an individual may opt for suicide, and while pain is among the impetuses it is neither the 'ultimate' reason nor the 'overwhelmingly probable' cause.

It is the ultimate of sovereign decisions, regardless of the 2nd-party classifiers that may be applied. If I may be so bold as to say, you should not despair and you do your friend a disservice by doing so; I doubt their intent was to cause you pain certainly. Whatever the cause(s), your friend has chosen to take matters into their own hands, to defy the natural course of things and to terminate that which is in their power and their right to terminate. This - to me - is not a cause for remorse, but a cause to rejoice.

Make no mistake; I am not celebrating that someone has died. I am choosing to respect and acknowledge the victory that has been achieved. An individual has chosen to remove themselves from the clutches of the pernicious world which they had previously found themselves in, and that is an act that - by its nature - requires an incredible fortitude, courage, conviction, and steadfastness. For many traditions and schools, suicide is taboo; in others it is most honorable, respectable, and praise-worthy. My words do not assuage your feelings of loss I am sure, but I hope that in time you will realize that this is not a tragedy in and of its self, but the resolution of a tragedy of sorts.

[mahalall]

sorry to here such news
may we take a moment to expand our thoughts
■The number of young people aged 15-16 with depression nearly doubled between the 1980s and the 2000s
■The proportion of young people aged 15-16 with a conduct disorder more than doubled between 1974 and 1999
http://www.youngminds.org.uk/trainin...lth_statistics

(my absence of late within avalon, is due to the time given to a young relative)

[Robin]

I wholeheartedely agree with you, Shezbeth. Nothing annoys me more than when somebody says of somebody who is suicidal: "Think about your friends and family! It is selfish of you and not fair to all of them because they will miss you and you will do them emotional damage."

Your physical body is your property and nobody else's. There is nothing selfish about taking your life...perhaps the suicide will give friends and family some moments of much needed introspection in their own lives and cause them to think about how they could have influenced the decision.

[Kryztian]

Not all people who commit suicide are in a state of despair. Some are just fairly indifferent towards life and don't have the motivation to keep on going here in this realm. Some come to the realization that there is a "better place" and they want to get there sooner rather than later. Some just want to join a loved one that has crossed over. If you friends decision was sudden and quickly carried out, then their suicide was probably a result a moment of despair. But if there was planning involved and her life didn't seem to be one of overwhelming pain, she might have had some other rationalization to her action.

Your friend may have loved you dearly and confided with you about many things, but if she was thinking about ending her life, she knew that she could ask you to for objective advice on this matter - you would done everything you could to prevent her from doing what she was considering.

Anyway, I don't want to tell you what to think especially since I don't know your or you're friend, but just say that her reasons for doing what she did may have been more complex. Unfortunately, the process of thinking about suicide and the decision to do it is a lonely one, because it is socially unacceptable, because the means of bringing about a peaceful death (opiates) are made unobtainable, and because ones friends would "selfishly" try to prevent their friend from doing it.

[Natalia]

I too do not like it when people say that it's selfish (but sometimes people say this because of their own pain and fear and grief), and I do not see or feel it that way myself...

Grieving is natural, and to me, that too is not selfish and not a disservice.

I have also looked at her beautiful pictures and remembered and talked a little about her qualities and positive influence.

[Robin]

I find that most of the individuals who commit suicide are brilliant and beautiful souls who could have contributed great feats to humanity. Many of these people awkwardly go through life feeling different and feeling that something is terribly wrong with society. It really does perplex me to see all the incompetents breeding and de-evolving humanity, because it is not "sexy' to be intelligent and awkward. It puzzles me how those in extreme poverty and those caught in the middle of the despairs of the world, or even those who parade around as the epitome of ignorance and materialism, do not even entertain the idea of taking their life. They love their materialistic, fake reality.

Everything on this prison planet is backwards, and I understand why some people feel the need to leave.

[sian]

Posted by Amethyst (here)
Hi, just found out by email today that someone who I knew for a short while (went to her classes for a few months last year) took her own life. At first I was in shock, then I just cried and cried, had to call my mum and talk and then sis.

It's just so sad when people do this, and it means that they must have been in a lot of pain, and how it must effect the people who they leave behind...for her own privacy I don't want to say anything about her at all, other than, she was a beautiful lady, teacher, and dancer.

(please, I know this is a sensitive thing, it would upset me if anyone said anything negative about people who do this, please do not do it in this thread, let's be compassionate and gentle to the soul who has departed).

Hi Amathist,

Be gentle on yourself, my heart goes out to you. you're gift of compassion shines through.

My mum tried to take her life several times throughout my lifetime, 2 really big ones early on, after about 20 times we lost count. I bless her these days, she gave me the gift not to succumb to the tortures of deep depression. However dark and deep it gets, knowing and having faith at the end of the tunnel never leaves me, however dark it is, it always shows up. Her pain gave me the grace to strive forward. All i can do is to love her, she's been stable for the last 20 years.

Much Love,
Sian xxx

[RunningDeer]

Sorry for your loss and any pain you are going through, Amethyst. Sorry for the beautiful lady, teacher, and dancer. No doubt she’s a sensitive one.

I lost my son, Michael, to suicide when he was twenty-three. He was a funny, intuitive, sensitive and bright Being. (Yup, another parent bragging on her kiddo.) The daycare that my son attended asked if they could send Michael for testing because he was reading at three and half.

A test that stood out was the one where you construct a model to match the picture. It starts off with one colored block and one dimension design. After a couple of cards the doctor skipped to the four colored blocks that had complex 3D perspective. Michael gave a quick glance and built it.

That’s one small example. Most important, Michael touched a lot of lives. He had a big heart. And he lived more life and miles in his twenty-three years than most live in a lifetime.

I’ve lost a loved one to suicide, and I’ve been one step away from suicide four months after Michael’s death. It’s a state like no other.

Today I say, unless and until I reach within to where the Warrior Spirit resides, and to face the unknown, and to discover how powerful I am, and to bring it forth into the world, my business is unfinished.

With heart,
Paula <3

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

I've been out of touch with Avalon a while ... glad to be back and "see" familiar and new "people".

So sorry for your loss Amethyst ... Also thinking of the close relatives and friends this individual left behind. I hope they find comfort ... perhaps support in sharing their painful loss.

11 months ago my friend's 87 yr old father took his life. He had told his family for years he would do it ... with failing health and fewer years ahead than behind he made good on his word. Sad ... yet understandable ...

Other circumstances are not understandable ... not comprehensible ... tremendous vacancies, voids and endless questions ... May your sharing heighten awareness ... human condition to human condition.

KRKR

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I know 9 people who took their own lives for various reasons ( they were all friends), its not going away, it just gets somewhat manageable with great effort and its a continuous job and affects all parts of my life, how I choose friends ( even on a forum like this) and all other relationships, I tread very careful in that regard, but most of all, it blows, people who say they'll get punished for such an act are idiots, complete idiots and fear mongering nutcases that think in terms of punishment, those people are the true emotionally, intellectually and spiritually walking dead, they managed to kill themselves and still walk upright while judging and condemning others just for the sake of feeling good about themselves and their path of choice, one day they will be surprised about all the time they spend living in fear, that will be a day of tears for them, at the moment the need it the least.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
and cause them to think about how they could have influenced the decision.

Hi SamWise,

In some cases, no matter how close or supportive one is in the relationship, that influence averts only for so long.

Because in the end:

Some are clever enough to hide it. Some don’t want to burden others. Some think they can handle it on their own. Some are afraid to reach out for help because they may appear weak. Some are afraid to reach out. Period. Some are unaware of how deep they've fallen. Some don't know they need to reach out. Some do not feel worthy. And some are unable to live in a world that does not make sense.

It’s imperative that we fix that last one ASAP. We’ve lost many, and my fear is that we’ll lose many more. We fix that last one and all the rest of the illogical reasons go with it.

Fondly,
Paula <3

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Some are clever enough to hide it. Some don’t want to burden others. Some think they can handle it on their own. Some are afraid to reach out for help because they may appear weak. Some are afraid to reach out. Period. Some are unaware of how deep they've fallen. Some don't know they need to reach out. Some do not feel worthy. And some are unable to live in a world that does not make sense.

And most likely, some of most of the above, and a little of a lot adds up and is a big heap to haul around, eventually everyone needs a rest and needs to get away from things, we might feel pain about what they did because it hurts us, but ultimately, their choice has nothing to do with us, granting someone the right to their own chosen form of peace without judgment is the greatest gift you can give yourself and the loved ones that went soulsurfing without a board, what a sweet sweet trick that is, they have taught me so so very much.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
and cause them to think about how they could have influenced the decision.

Hi SamWise,

In some cases, no matter how close or supportive one is in the relationship, that influence averts only for so long.

Because in the end:

Some are clever enough to hide it. Some don’t want to burden others. Some think they can handle it on their own. Some are afraid to reach out for help because they may appear weak. Some are afraid to reach out. Period. Some are unaware of how deep they've fallen. Some don't know they need to reach out. Some do not feel worthy. And some are unable to live in a world that does not make sense.

It’s imperative that we fix that last one ASAP. We’ve lost many, and my fear is that we’ll lose many more. We fix that last one and all the rest of the illogical reasons go with it.

Fondly,
Paula <3

Love you for being you Paula!

[RunningDeer]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
Love you for being you Paula!

I send Love back to you, Ed.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
Love you for being you Paula!

I send Love back to you, Ed.

Yours I accept without questions, thank you.

[Michael Moewes]

Hi, I'm sorry to hear that another great soul has left due to suicide. My best friend did so at the age of 20. he'd got stuck on a lsd trip.
Since them I started to investigate life and death. so the most complete and heart touching experience I had was reading the Book of Sogyal Rinpoche. " The tibetan book of living and dying ". I recomend this one to every one who is still suffering from the lost of a beloved person.
I hope this may help. Sarva Mangalam

[Becky]

It often is the very sensitive people who feel pain, especially emotional pain very intensely who do take their own life. A close friend of mine took her life 3 Christmasses ago. It was horrific. Her death did start me looking deep into the rabbit hole though that led me here to Avalon...

[sian]

Guys i need help please