Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[sigma6]

Posted by Malerogro (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
http://lifenews.ru/watch-live LIVE NEWS FEED - VERY GRAPHIC!!!!!!! Bodies everywhere.

And a 'rituals' bag that did not burn?
Also there have been found passports: https://twitter.com/lifenews_ru/stat...993793/photo/1

Strange world!

Just like they found a passport that fluttered out of the 911 building explosion... pointing to that muslim guy that left his Koran at Shuckum's titty bar...

[jackovesk]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by fifula (here)
Yet it could be another interesting puzzle to our jigsaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fyt...VErr8EYxg8t1dQ

BUMP... If this is a legitimate video, then this is HUGE. WHAT IF... This whole thing is a false flag? What if this was remoted control crashed, and THEN blown up?... Daboo make an EXCELLENT point of view, if this was shot in the sky the parts and bodies would be strewn over miles.... HOLY SMOKES...

Yep, the ((SMOKING GUN)) has been Fired...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fytpEF6-EQ

PS - But-But-But wait a second, didn't the MSM tell the (World) there were bodies strewn all over a 6-10km radius after raining down from the sky...

Sky 'Rained People' After MH17 Shot Down

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226994383389

[apokalypse]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
When I saw this article a couple of days ago I thought
brace yourself.........It could be coincidence.....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VexU17zRPZo

Published on 15 Jul 2014


The emerging economies signed a long-anticipated document to create a $100
billion BRICS Development Bank. The institution will counter the influence of
Western lending firms as well as the dollar. DETAILS: http://on.rt.com/afyr6y

brother, this BRICS Development Bank pop up in my head today when i heard about the plane...not shock at all. just a warning or reminder everyone careful of WAG THE DOG thing with distraction from the truth/true event.

[Cidersomerset]

This was recorded just before the crash, but does give you
a feel of the situation in the Ukraine at present....



CrossTalk: Ukraine's Stalemate (pre-recorded)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gTjgX5e0ano

Published on 19 Jul 2014


The crisis in Ukraine is one of the most under-reported stories
in the world. The Western-backed regime in Kiev looks like a
'political football'. Who will be the winner in this tough game?
CrossTalking with Alexander Mercouris, Richard Weitz and Brian Becker.

[Limor Wolf]

(I am writing this with regards to the question - 'who is behind it?', with the many attempts on this thread to answer it, Americans, Russians, Israel, the Ukraninian, not so much with regards to examining the details of the schem)

A cautious observence

you give them two-three sides and they will always take it, as if the diagnosis of the participating figures/countries/players are not yet known..This is the ever winning formula and a carrousel where no one seems to be able to get off from, and why change a winning horse, right?

We argue a diversion and are getting caught up in it ourselves

Keep on at it guys..

The meat grinder still seems to be working well, and the dictating hands are very greatful, they might even find a way to express their gratitude

A clue: The answer can be summed with one word (with the variation of your choice)

Avalonians, why not fly higher, dear friends, and take the bird's eye view..

If we may need a reminder, we can go back to the beginning point and watch this

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yT1GavDtiwM

I know this video song hardly fits the occasion, but if Seymore has learned how to say 'No', then maybe so can we

Said with care,

Limor

[jackovesk]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by fifula (here)
Yet it could be another interesting puzzle to our jigsaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fyt...VErr8EYxg8t1dQ

BUMP... If this is a legitimate video, then this is HUGE. WHAT IF... This whole thing is a false flag? What if this was remoted control crashed, and THEN blown up?... Daboo make an EXCELLENT point of view, if this was shot in the sky the parts and bodies would be strewn over miles.... HOLY SMOKES...

Yep, the ((SMOKING GUN)) has been Fired...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fytpEF6-EQ

PS - But-But-But wait a second, didn't the MSM tell the (World) there were bodies strewn all over a 6-10km radius after raining down from the sky..???

Sky 'Rained People' After MH17 Shot Down

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226994383389

***Update***

But WAIT there is even more now...

A "New-Video" has surfaced showing the MH17 crashing down from the Sky...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BUfaqm4SpUc

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...e-2995366.html

PS - Now this is where you can all weigh in on the Debate...

Which (Video) is the Real-Footage of MH17 Exploding ..?

This One...?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fytpEF6-EQ

Or, This One..?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BUfaqm4SpUc

PS - I'll give you a little (HINT)

A simple check of the ((Weather)) that day will suffice...

[jackovesk]

They shall reign DEATH upon us
Financial, WAR, Famine & Disease

They shall reign DEATH upon us
In every Form conceivable

They shall reign DEATH upon us
Left, Right, here there and Everywhere

They shall reign DEATH upon us
To form their World Govt Rule

They shall reign DEATH upon us
Unless we STOP them in their Tracks

The (BIG-PICTURE)

Doomsday Ultimate Reaper Virus Unleashed? 100 Scientists Added To Dead Scientist List After MH17 Is Shot Down

Friday, July 18, 2014

With it now being common knowledge that 100 leading international AIDS scientists were on board the doomed flight MH17, 100 new names have been added to a rapidly growing list of now dead scientists, chemists, astronomers and engineers as the MH17 mystery takes a new turn as shared in the 1st and 3rd videos below. In the 1st video, called “Malaysian Flight MH17 Bomb On Board To Kill Joep Lange”, our videographer shares why he feels that Lange, President of the International AIDS Society from 2002 to 2004, was targetted.



Coincidentally, or not, former President Bill Clinton also knew a number of the scientists who died aboard MH17 as shared in the 2nd video. Are these more names to be added to the body count that surrounds the Clinton family? What did these scientists know, or were about to learn at this ‘very important AIDS conference’, that we don’t know? We were recently contacted by Stephen Quayle who gave us permission to repost this quote directly from him.:

“PUT THIS IN CONTEXT OF V’S GENERAL ULTIMATE KILLER PLAGUE COMING REVELATION AND ITS SAFE TO ASSUME THAT AIDS VIRUS, GENETICALLY ALTERED, MAYBE INCORPORATED INTO “DOOMSDAY ULTIMATE REAPER VIRUS”! ADD THESE DEAD SCIENTISTS TO MY ON GOING “DEAD SCIENTIST LIST” AND A VERY CLEAR PICTURE EMERGES.”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s1QYfET1YVk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p2KG2gMT08k

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BrLmJ9a44BI

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2014...n-2542998.html

PS - Sorry Folks, all these endless EVENTS/MAYHEM are starting to (Add Up)...

No Fear-Mongering necessary...

[Hervé]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
[...]

A simple check of the ((Weather)) that day will suffice...

... :

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

.... Also noted the strongest and putrid smell, marked by many locals - this odor in any weather for half an hour could not be formed, and the weather was overcast yesterday, not too hot."

[...]

lightman54000 10 hours ago

Not the plane: No Sunshine for The good!!...Ce n'est pas le bon avion, sur le crash on peut voir le temps nuageux aux infos alors que là, le temps est magnifique, pas de nuages etc...
Merci à @Turner2123 qui l'a direct signalé sur la vidéo de Thor...
Terriens: Light& Peace

... and, apologies for being so graphic, but...

... no BBQ stench reported either...

[Cidersomerset]

Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Malaysian Boeing

new Saturday 19th July 2014 at 08:35 By david-icke

FLASH UPDATE: Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol in Kiev




‘There was an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian MH17 flight which took the aircraft
directly over the Eastern Ukraine warzone.

The Spanish air controller confirms a conflict between the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of
the Interior intimating that the order concerning the downing of the aircraft came from the Ministry
of the Interior, which is dominated by Svoboda and Right Sector.

He also said that the MH17 flight was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before it was
downed. It is worth noting that the presence of the Ukraine fighter jets reported by the Spanish
air traffic controller was confirmed by eyewitness reports in the Donetsk region:

“eyewitnesses in the Donetsk region saw Ukrainian warplanes near the passenger jet. They say
they heard sounds of powerful blasts and saw a Ukraine warplane shortly before the crash. (ITAR Tass)’

Read more: Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing



http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/201...n-boeing-mh17/


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Was MH17 Sabotaged By An Israeli Security Team At Amsterdam Schiphol Airport?



‘Once again, this time in the destruction of MH17, there is an Israeli-connected air crash
with political ramifications involving Israeli strategic interests, inside Israel exactly when
its military launches an invasion of Gaza and in troubled Ukraine, a supplier of military
electronics to the IDF.

Security at Schipol Airport is operated by ICTS, an Israeli-owned airport security company
based in The Netherlands founded by former officers of the Shin Beit intelligence agency.
Its subsidiaries are also involved in key security functions there, including ProCheck,
Ramasso and I-SEC.

The Israeli security company has a record of staging false flag operations, including the
September 11, 2001 attacks. ICaTS subsidiary Huntleigh provided passenger and baggage
inspection services at Boston Logan Airport, where two of the four jetliners used in the 911
attack originated.’

Read more …


http://www.rense.com/general96/MH17.html

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WASHINGTON TIMES....


Pro-Russia rebel commander suggests passengers died days before Malaysian flight






‘A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version
of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the
victims may have died days before the plane took off.The pro-rebel website
Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at
the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that
he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.’

Read more …

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz37rsmFwgB

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Xanth]

The (BIG-PICTURE)

Doomsday Ultimate Reaper Virus Unleashed? 100 Scientists Added To Dead Scientist List After MH17 Is Shot Down

Friday, July 18, 2014

With it now being common knowledge that 100 leading international AIDS scientists were on board the doomed flight MH17, 100 new names have been added to a rapidly growing list of now dead scientists, chemists, astronomers and engineers as the MH17 mystery takes a new turn as shared in the 1st and 3rd videos below. In the 1st video, called “Malaysian Flight MH17 Bomb On Board To Kill Joep Lange”, our videographer shares why he feels that Lange, President of the International AIDS Society from 2002 to 2004, was targetted.

PS - Sorry Folks, all these endless EVENTS/MAYHEM are starting to (Add Up)...

No Fear-Mongering necessary...

Looks like it was seven (7) AIDS researchers not 100...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...tralia-victims

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Roisin (here)
I also feel sad that this incident happened because it's going to stop a good, competent leader from completing his mission which is to bring Russia back to its former glory. I really, really thought he was going to do that but now, that's not going to happen and I'm sad about that.

Is it his fault? Yes, because he didn't take those precautions necessary to make sure that he/Russia would not be framed in any way, shape or form by his enemies due to what's been going on in Ukraine.

Personally, I wouldn't under-estimate Putin, I don't think this will slow him down much. Putin made a statement stating this shoot down wouldn't of happened if Ukraine wouldn't of been interfered with in the first place.

His fault? It's no more his fault than it is Obama's fault for Israel sweeping through Gaza with US armor and weapons etc. Who armed ISIS?

It's a sick game regardless, yet we still don't know what exactly happened to cause the MH17 to crash, nor who actually did it. It was likely the Russian Separatists, but with all the research I've done thus far, it seems they didn't even know what they were shooting at and didn't realize it was a passenger jet until they came upon the wreckage.

Perhaps Ukraine actually shot it down?

Putin may even become more unpredictable now if it was actually an assassination attempt against him. This has yet to play itself out, they can't just make this go away like they did MH370.

Just more info:

The Malaysia Airlines 777 involved in today's accident in Ukraine is tail no. 9M-MRD and serial number 28411, a 777-2H6ER that was the 84th 777 off the production line. Powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 892B-17 engines, it first flew on July 17, 1997, exactly 17 years before its accident. It was delivered to Malaysian Airlines on July 30, 1997.

This is the fifth hull loss for the 777 and the second this year. Oddly, three out of the five 777 hull losses have taken place in July. EgyptAir lost a 777-200ER in July 2011 in Cairo due to a cockpit fire and an Asiana Airlines 777-200ER crashed on landing in San Francisco in July 2013. British Airways suffered a 777-200ER loss on landing at Heathrow in January 2008 and Malaysia Airlines lost a 777-200ER somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean in March 2014.
http://aviationweek.com/blog/airfram...-airlines-mh17

Russian government edits Wikipedia on flight MH17
A political battle has broken out on Wikipedia over an entry relating to the crash of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17, with the Russian government reportedly removing sections which accuse it of providing "terrorists" with missiles that were used to down the civilian airliner
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...ight-MH17.html

FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17

Eyewitness Accounts July 18, 2014 Comments: 48
FLASH UPDATE: Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol in Kiev

(See the Text of Carlos / @spainbuca Tweets Below the Article)

Original: EturboNews (ETN Global Travel Industry News) – July 17, 2014

ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.
http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/201...n-boeing-mh17/

[Cidersomerset]

This is interesting and if they let it happen could lead
to other 'Accident' or 'terrorist' acts being reopened.
I expect it will be hushed up or ridiculed by the
authorities, but shows more people are questioning
these government cover ups.....



Calls For New Investigation Of TWA Flight 800 Crash On July 17, 1996

Saturday 19th July 2014 at 04:42 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_tDBowMVtHY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BUqbteKLkzg

Ex-CIA intern Anderson Cooper makes on air blooper. Says TWA800 was shot
down then has to make hasty retraction to keep the official lie alive.



http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/


====================================================

One of the best ways to keep 'whistle blowers' quite is with threats to
themselves and their families and we have many examples of suspicious
deaths at the hands of 'political assassins' from one intelligence group
or another, this has always happened.

With the 'Baby Boomers' now reaching retirement age and many without
the worries they had during their careers , there maybe more experts
in all different field ready do disclose what they know or revalue official
stories......

There is a BBC TV show about ex detectives , looking at 'cold cases',
so it is something already in the public mind...



Obviously it is easy on TV or Holly Wood , but worth looking at.....

New Tricks Season 1 Episode 0 Pilot

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c3MfGVRPLHk

[Hervé]

FINAL – Part II: Evidence Continues to Emerge #MH17 Is a False Flag Operation

Examining the Evidence July 18, 2014

Key Information in Reverse Chronological Order:

#15 – Dissecting the Fake Intercept Disseminated by SBU (Ukrainian Security Service)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g

Note: Half of the Post Translated; The Remaining Half is Speculative

Complete Original of the Post (in Russian) Can Be Found at Eugene-DF LiveJournal

In the disseminated intercept, the place from which the missile was allegedly launched is clearly indicated:

the checkpoint at the settlement of Chernukhino.

Pay close attention at the Alleged Map of the MH17 Catastrophe.

As you can see, the distance from the point of launch to the point of the fall is 37 kilometres. At the same time, the elevation of the plane was 10-11 kilometres. For the Russian BUK M2 this distance is, in fact, achievable (although with a very important caveat discussed below).

However, Ukraine does not, and cannot, have modern digital high-tech Anti-Aircraft systems in its arsenal. What it does have, at best, is the older version BUK M1. The system itself is not too bad, and could even fit the stated distance. Except for the caveat that was mentioned.

The thing is that most short to medium range Anti-Aircraft systems work extremely poorly in a “pursuit” mode. There are a number of reasons for this, and I do not intend to belabor the point, but you can take it as an axiom that when the launch is made in “pursuit” of the target, the maximum distance of the launch that successfully hits the target is at least half of the advertised maximum distance (in reality, it even worse, but let’s leave aside the sad part). Accordingly, the real distance of a “pursuit” launch for BUK M1 is 16 kilometres. What’s more, the last 3 kilometres are purely “God willing” and “without guarantees.”

And, so, we have the background. Let’s see how the picture unfolds:

The launch is alleged to have been made from Chernukhino. The maximum distance of the launch is 16 kilometres. The aircraft fell between Snezhnoye and Torez. That’s 37 kilometres, which is 20 kilometres more than the maximum possible point at which the plain could have been hit. You know, even a plane with turned-off engines can’t glide like that. But the trouble is that the aircraft was not whole.

According to the pattern of the spread of fuselage fragments and bodies, the plane was ruptured practically with the first shot. Here it must be mentioned that the high-explosive/fragmentation warhead of the rocket has a mass of approximately 50 kilograms (by the way, Ukrainians have an outdated modification, which is only 40 kilograms).

Overall, that’s not too little; however, it must be understood that it detonates not when it sticks into an airplane, but when it is still at a certain, and fairly significant distance. Moreover, the main strike factor is not the blast wave, but far more significantly – the stream of fragments. These fragments are previously prepared rods (and in the earlier versions – little cubes, if I recall correctly). And yes, for a jet fighter, that, in itself, is more than sufficient.

However, here we are dealing with a huge airliner. Yes, one rocket will rip the casing, cause depressurization, and will kill a lot of passengers. But it will not break up the airliner into pieces. Given certain conditions, the pilots may even be able to land it. And, in fact, there have been precedents (to be provided in future posts). For example – the very same An-28, which is alleged to have been the first victim of a BUK system; even though it was done for, but the crew was able to successfully catapult out. Which, in some way, symbolizes. An An-28, by the way, is far smaller than a Boeing.

Nevertheless, this has relation to the next part of our analysis. For now, let’s accept as a fact the break-up of the aircraft in the air, at a significant height (which is, in essence, what was observed. Allow me to remind you: “fragments spread over a radius of 15 kilometres.” The key here is that this means the following: the aircraft (or, more precisely, the core of the aircraft) fell literally at the point where the rocket impacted it. Clarifying: as soon as the aircraft turned into a host of fragments of different mass, the separation of these fragments began due to air resistance and the difference in inertia. The densest fragment flew a further 3-6 kilometres, falling more and more steeply. The lightest – spread out and, due to gliding and air currents, fell somewhere within a 10 kilometre radius. The medium ones (primarily pieces of casing with high sail-effect and the victims’ bodies) – fell almost vertically.

In other words, the rocket caught up to the plane no closer than 25 kilometres away from Chernukhino. Which is absolutely impossible for a BUK system.

By the way, we can’t overlook the fact that, at maximum distances, BUK can be used only provided there is support from an external radar installation for location and guiding purposes. In other words, even if a rockets flies far, BUK’s mobile radar does not cover its entire distance.

Accordingly, if SBU’s video above is not fake, then, to our surprise, we discover that it was literally impossible for the aircraft to be shot down by the rebel’s BUK. By the way, what exactly this BUK was doing in Chernukhino with the Cossacks is pretty much inexplicable. It is 60 kilometres whether you go to Donetsk or to Lugansk from there, and this BUK would be unable to protect the skies over either of the key cities. Nor are there any hostilities in the area. It’s also strange for the Militia to expect enemy planes there – it’s not like the pilots are their own enemies to make such detours over the enemy’s territory, is it? Well, all right. As I already stated, let’s accept, for the moment, that the intercept is not fake.

And that is what is so strange here: SBU literally offers evidence that proves that that the Militia had no part in the shooting down of the Boeing! The fact that they blame themselves in the recording is quite understandable. Unlike the fascists, they have a conscience, which takes its toll until you are sure it was not you who did it.

Ok. But somebody did, in fact, shoot down the plane?

Of course it was shot down. And here we have another question: what if this recording is a falsification through and through? Then it had to have been prepared somehow? And then disseminated?

That’s when smoke starts to clear, and mirrors – to break.

That’s the problem with tricks.


#14 – An Industry Outlet Confirms Carlos (@spainbuca) as ATC at Borispol Airport in Kiev
Original: EturboNews (ETN Global Travel Industry News) – July 17, 2014
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.

Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.

Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.

According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow.

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination.

Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine.

ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.

#13 – A Brief Well-Made Presentation Regarding Ukraine’s Manufactured Evidence
Video: Paul J. Watson – “Evidence to Frame Russia For MH17 Shoot Down Fabricated?”

#12 – Analysis from an Aerodynamics/Physics Standpoint – Ukrainian Army Responsible
RESUME OF ANALYSIS: What all this means is that if a BUK rocket was launched from the territory controlled by the Militia, the Boeing would have fallen much further to the south-east – i.e. will into the Russian territory. Otherwise, there would have been not time to detect the aircraft, perform electronic capture and launch the rocket. If this was a BUK, and not a jet fighter, then it is most likely that the launch was made from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian army, and the rocket was sent “chasing after” the airplane.

Original: 4yma3iy LiveJournal
I am not an aerodynamics specialist. I am a radioelectronics expert. Nevertheless, I specialize in aviation. If there are aerodynamics specialists here, please critique away.

Initial Data: the plane’s elevation is 10,000 metres, speed is 900 km/h (or 250 m/s).
Judging from the photos from the site of the crash, where all the pieces lie together in one place, it appears that the plane fell as a whole (i.e. some fragments may have broken off, but the fuselage remained intact). So, the aircraft well “as one piece” – i.e. it did not break apart in the air.

Accordingly, it must be considered as one body, the speed of which has a very large dependence on air resistance, particularly given the design features and its intended use.

The time of a body’s free fall:

T = sqrt(2h/g)

Thus, from a height of 10,000 metres, a body will fall:

T = sqrt(2*10000/9.8) = 45 second – HOWEVER! – this applies only in vacuum.

At the same time, the downward velocity when falling from this height is:

V = sqrt(2gh)

This speed will equal 442 m/s – HOWEVER! – this, once again, applies only in vacuum.

In real-life conditions a fall happens with a certain maximum speed, at which the force of air resistance becomes equal to the force of gravity. For a person’s body, for instance, this speed is equal to 40 m/s. For a bullet, this speed is approximately 50 m/s (depending on form and mass). Given the plane’s mass and its enormous size, let’s take this speed to be 40 m/s.

Accordingly, the plane would have been falling approximately 250 second – let’s round it off to 4 minutes, which is quite close to what happened.

Let’s accept that the reduction of horizontal speed also occurs pursuant to a linear equation with certain acceleration.

The vector of the force of front air resistance is directed against the speed of movement, and its magnitude is proportional to characteristic area S, density of the environment ρ, and speed V squared:

V=C((P*V^2)/2)*S

For the aerodynamically well-designed body of an aircraft, Cx < 0.3

Let’s calculate the force of air resistance at the speed of 250 m/s

0.3*1.26*250*250/2*50=590кН

The mass of Boeing 777 = 300 ton (in equipped state)

It means that horizontal deceleration due to air resistance would be 590/300 = 2 m/s^2 – just as I suspected (however, this is at the maximum speed).

Now, let’s take our favourite highschool equation:

X=(V1^2-V0^2)/2a

Given the nonlinear nature of deceleration, divide it in half – and we get 31 kilometres.

Let’s consider the strike distance of the rocket. Maximum strike distance of AGM-86 ALSM rocket:

1. At the height of 30 m – 20 km
2. At the height of 6,000 m – 26 km
3. The chance of a successful strike: 0.6 – 0.8

This distance should not be mistaken for the distance of detection.

Map: Yellow Pin to the West = Estimated Rocket Launch Location; Yellow Pin To the East = Crash Site

What all this means is that if a BUK rocket was launched from the territory controlled by the Militia, the Boeing would have fallen much further to the south-east – i.e. will into the Russian territory. Otherwise, there would have been not time to detect the aircraft, perform electronic capture and launch the rocket.

If this was a BUK, and not a jet fighter, then it is most likely that the launch was made from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian army, and the rocket was sent “chasing after” the airplane.

#11 – Changing MH17 Route From July 14, 2014 to July 17, 2014

Screenshots of Flight Paths of MH17 for July 14-17, 2014


#10 – Eyewitness Recounts a Fighter Jet and 3 Explosions When MH17 Was Shot Down
Audio Recording Link: Cassad Net

Transcript of the Eyewitness Phone CallI
have a single sheet of paper that fell from the plane, with fresh blood – you can see it. Baggage also fell, further, in the area of the Petropavlovka settlement – there are fragments there. There is a group in VKontakte that already posted photos with pieces from the Boeing. Also, beyond Rassypnoye, near Terrikon, there are corpses. There were people there, and they saw it all.

I saw, personally, that there were 3 explosions. The first, the second and the third. So, after the first explosions I went up on the roof and saw that a plane was falling – it was already almost at the ground. There was an explosion, a black cloud, and two parachutists were descending – one was descending on his parachute on the wing. The second was flying down very fast – like a stone. And that is what I saw.

However, at that very same moment, a jet fighter was departing in the direction of Debaltsevo. It was over Rassypnoye and was flying toward Debaltsevo. How I understood it.

#9 – 11:53-12:40 – July 18, 2014 – Information Regarding the Boeing from Igor Strelkov
- regarding Boeing 777, Flight MH17:

Igor Strelkov: According to the information received from the people who collected the corpses, a large number of the corpses are “not fresh” – these are people who died a few days ago. I cannot vouch for complete accuracy of this information – of course, we will have to wait for conclusions from forensic specialists.

- “Somebody of course must have been piloting this plane, which, to boot, would be impossible to leave. The theory that the plane was full of dead people is, of course, breathtaking; however, it does not seem to make sense.”

Igor Strelkov: First of all, not all the people in the plane were dead prior to the fall.

Second, a large quantity of medication, including blood serum and so forth, was found in the airplane, which is not characteristic of a regular airliner. It looks like there was some kind of special medical cargo on board.

Third, I do not insist on anything (for now). It’s just that only moments ago I spoke with two individuals who personally gathered the corpses after the crash (both of them are from Shakhtersk and arrived at the scene less than half an hour after the catastrophe). I am writing exactly what they told me. They emphasized that a large number of the corpses were “completely bloodless” – it’s as if their blood clotted long before the catastrophe. They also remarked that there was an overwhelming putrid corpse stench, which was also noted by many locals – a smell like that could not have formed in half an hour in any weather, let alone in the cloudy, temperate weather we had yesterday.

Fourth, while I am usually very suspicious of any “conspiracy theories” myself, but the 18 of our fighters that were poisoned with chemical weapons at their positions in Semyonovka, the executions of the militiamen’s family members and all other “small joys of Ukie patriots” have convinced me that the Ukrainian government is capable of any villainy.

The pilots were, of course, perfectly alive – the entire cabin (and the front part is well preserved) was literally bathed in their blood.

#8 – Ukrainian Military Reports to Poroshenko That Rebels Have Not Captured any BUKs
According to Vitaliy Yarema, in an interview to Ukrainskaya Pravda, military officials reported to President Poroshenko immediately after the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777, Flight MH17, that the rebels have not captured any BUK systems from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is further confirmed in a statement by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, published on June 30, 2014.

Further Information: “Militias do not have Ukrainian Buk missile system – Ukraine general prosecutor“

KIEV, July 18. /ITAR-TASS/. Militias in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics do not have Ukrainian air defense missile systems Buk and S-300 at their disposal, Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Vitaly Yarema told Ukrainian Pravda newspaper on Friday.

“After the passenger airliner was downed, the military reported to the president that terrorists do not have our air defense missile systems Buk and S-300,” the general prosecutor said. “These weapons were not seized,” he added.

Ukrainian Interior Minister Anton Gerashchenko said on July 17 that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 airliner had been downed by an air defense missile system Buk.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 airliner on the way from the Dutch city of Amsterdam to the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur crashed in Ukraine on Thursday. All 298 people abroad the airliner died in the crash.

#7 – Eyewitness States Two Planes Following MH17, One Of the Craft Shot Down Boeing
Video: Father of Eyewitness Tells of the Crash of Boeing MH17 Over Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPcbFJSGk7E

Transcript of the Video
Narrator: Who shot it down? Today it was shot down, on [July] 17th.

Narrator: Continuing. The village of Grabovo. How was it? What did you son tell you?

Father of Eyewitness: Well, they were sitting there, on a hill. And, from behind the clouds … two airplanes were flying … one of the came out from behind the clouds.

Narrator: Military planes emerged?

Father of Eyewitness: Well, he does not understand. Then, with one shot, they shot down the second. And that’s it. The second plane, he says – with one shot. There was one shot and that’s it.

Narrator: And the one that was shot down was the civilian one? …

Father of Eyewitness: And two … one fell down, he says, and the second too … I did not bring my phone here, so I can’t call him.

[in the background] Ah, he saw a jet fighter … Of course …

Narrator: The village of Grabovo, in the Shakhtersk district. One the approaches to Grabovo, it fell. Keep looking for remains. Everything is burning. Aluminum has melted. All the casing.

#6 – Analysis from Anatolii Sharii
Video: The Tragedy of Boeing 777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzcKcyHG_CY

Transcript of the Video
If we try to forget the shock that I, along with my beloved Netherlands, are currently experiencing over this tragedy, and try to make sense of this situation unemotionally, as much as it can be possible, then the very first steps of the analysis of the fate of this flight inspire very terrifying, saddening thoughts.

A Ukrainian journalist, Olga Bondarenko, identified this information and the two of us, as we are together at the moment, came to certain conclusions. The following is provided to you without commentary.

[the following is screen text]
The flight path for July 15, 2014
The flight path for July 16, 2014
How it flew on July 17, 2014

Here is where it was shot down
Let us overlay the flight path onto the map of Ukraine
This is the regular flight path
The flight path on July 17, 2014
The deviation from the regular flight path

An unidentified flying object enters the area where they should be no aircraft

Who shot down the Boeing?

condolences …

#5 – Video Material From the Site of MH17 Crash via LifeNews
Video: Exclusive Footage from the Site of Boeing’s Crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfsV7ZcF2oI

#4 – Possible Alternative Video of MH17, Right Wing on Fire (via Vaughan Fomularo)
UPDATE: Dann Peroni (@roamer43) The video “#4 – Possible Alternative Video of MH17, Right Wing on Fire (via Vaughan Fomularo)” shows a clear blue sky, while in all other videos showing the crash site the sky is overcast!

Video: Malaysian Airlines plane being shot down LIVE! (July 17 2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKIlueJg4cA

#3 – Examining the Tickets and the Passports of Passengers of Flight MH17
Passports are hole-punched – this is what is done to passports when they are cancelled.

@McFaul @gbazov The date on the ticket? Holes on the passport? What is it? pic.twitter.com/RxJBeob9dy
— Татьяна Кузьмина (@nika4888) July 18, 2014

#2 – Comparing the Form of the Wing in the Video with the Wings of Boeing

@gbazov clearly the wings of the plane in the video are not the ones of a Malaysian Boeing 777 pic.twitter.com/oH9L4WjFqF — Crimea&East (@IndependentKrym) July 18, 2014

#1 – Video Purporting to be that of MH17 is Actually the Video of An-26 Shot Down Earlier

#FLASH #IMPORTANT – THIS —> https://t.co/e0FiVFdAM2 IS NOT #MH17, it’s most likely the An-26 (sound, elevation, form of the wing). PLZ RT. — Gleb Bazov (@gbazov) July 18, 2014

FINAL – Part I: Emerging Evidence Points to #MH17 Being a Ukrainian False Flag

[Roisin]

Posted by Limor (here)
(I am writing this with regards to the question - 'who is behind it?', with the many attempts on this thread to answer it, Americans, Russians, Israel, the Ukraninian, not so much with regards to examining the details of the schem)

A cautious observence

you give them two-three sides and they will always take it, as if the diagnosis of the participating figures/countries/players are not yet known..This is the ever winning formula and a carrousel where no one seems to be able to get off from, and why change a winning horse, right?

We argue a diversion and are getting caught up in it ourselves

Keep on at it guys..

The meat grinder still seems to be working well, and the dictating hands are very greatful, they might even find a way to express their gratitude

A clue: The answer can be summed with one word (with the variation of your choice)

Avalonians, why not fly higher, dear friends, and take the bird's eye view..

If we may need a reminder, we can go back to the beginning point and watch this

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yT1GavDtiwM

I know this video song hardly fits the occasion, but if Seymore has learned how to say 'No', then maybe so can we

Said with care,

Limor

Found another You Tube copy of that video. Watching it now and it's an excellent primer...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UVQvlG59sJ8

[Cidersomerset]

Found another You Tube copy of that video. Watching it now and it's an excellent primer...



Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UVQvlG59sJ8

I watched an hour so far and it reminds you who are in charge.....

from the vid above.....See him lose the plot when confronted by Alex...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GHFoUZEjuNM

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Alex Jones on gay rituals of Bohemian Grove

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QAfMe4Fy1Fo

Uploaded on 15 Jul 2011


Forget about Bilderberg. America hosts its own top-secret pow-wow every summer
in the woods of California, and some of the past participants at the all-male
Bohemian Grove party have included presidents, foreign royalty and Hollywood
elite. They are gathering right now for their two week adventure, and filmmaker
Alex Jones says he once snuck his way onto the secret site.

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It was reported earlier.......portrayed as a boys camp.....Yeah right !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=recDlFPNU6M

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The Cremation of Care - Enhanced Footage

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5dHhvpHIjM

Uploaded on 19 Jan 2009


From Alex Jones' documentary "Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove". This clip is
the edited, enhanced footage with Alex's commentary. This is what the people who
run the country and own everything like to do to kick back and relax...indulge in
Luciferian/Masonic/Pagan mock human sacrifice rituals. In this ritual, "The
Cremation of Care", the human effigy known as "Dull Care" is sacrificed, and
represents the participants burning away of their conscience. BTW...this was where
Bush picked Cheney to be his running mate (same year this was filmed).


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The point is if our elites are worshiping or paying homage to ancient religious
icons , they are probably capable of setting up anything.....

[Operator]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fytpEF6-EQ

...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BUfaqm4SpUc

...

There is a lot of demonizing of the rebels and Russia going on in the MSM so I guess we
can figure out where this is going. Putin maybe a good and professional (ex KGB) 'chess'
player but these rebels are probably just a bunch of patriot civilians not even military
trained at all.

Since we know that media will be used/abused to accomplish whatever they want we
need to be careful taking this all in as true and verified facts.

That video of DAHBOO77 suggests that it is real and that is shows that there are no missiles
involved. Well first of all is the source of this video verified? But also think about this:
If the plane came from the other side and we just see an explosion barely over the horizon
what does that prove?

And indeed there are differences in the weather so at least 1 of 2 (maybe even both)
videos is most likely not real.

If a plane went down a few decades ago we would suggest that there was bomb on board.
Now we totally ignore/skip that option we go straight at the key question 'Who shot it
down' ? This plane could have been tampered with ... we shouldn't exclude sabotage.

I think there is no 'control' over this situation and any side can spin the story to its own
liking/agenda.
Black boxes have already been removed etc. Could have been tampered with ... chances on
getting 'clean' facts is already gone.

This will give us a new opportunity to speculate for weeks and will probably go unanswered
like flight MH 370 etc.

Our only hope is confirmed video footage of local people. But even that will come to us
via 'controlled' channels.

[Agape]

Posted by Pris (here)

No offense taken. We're all here to share our thoughts.

It seems that now there is 'evidence' suggesting that many of the victims may have been dead long before the crash...

Again, who were these people?

A convenient pile of undamaged passports...

And, what about the two fighter jets that seemed to escort MH17 right before it disappeared from radar?

I still hold to my original feeling that the crashed plane may indeed be flight MH370 substituting in for MH17.

Whatever the truth, it appears that this incident is being used to frame Russia.

One thing is for certain, Agape: I do not have 'common reasoning'.

You or I may believe that Santa Claus did it and it's still 'plausible option' ?

I'm not pathologist or forensic expert so we will have to leave it to them ... but consider that the 'people' or rather their 'bodies' suffered :

a/pressure wave shock at the moment of the detonation in the air - 33 000 ft above ground

b/fall from the same height for many of them who did not go down with the plane itself

c/another blast on the ground ( some of them anyway ) , possibly from the remaining jet engine (?)

d/to add your theory .. I've heard the first live reporters to the crash site saying there were many children , women and people with 'special medical equipment' ( what was that ? , possibly an oxygenator ? ) ,

Does it mean there were ill people on the plane , and considering that part were headed to the AIDS research conference , could there have been AIDS patients on the plane accompanying the researchers to the conference ( the chance there were few is higher than usually ) , even those in serious medical state ?

Now , no Airline in the world is obliged to release such personal data , unless of course , this would pose national or even global security threat .

In either case there could have people and blood samples on the plane that were , even potentially contagious ,
and even if most of them were destroyed in the process ,

the whole area should be sealed in my opinion .

[Agape]

As if I did not say that ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28383625

Ukraine rebels 'destroy MH17 clues'

Ukraine has accused pro-Russian rebels of trying to destroy evidence of "international crimes" at the crash site of a Malaysia Airlines plane.

It said the rebels "led by Russia" were preventing international experts from starting their investigation.

An OSCE team is for a second day being prevented by militiamen from reaching the wreckage.

The jet was reportedly hit by a missile over a rebel-held area in east Ukraine on Thursday. All 298 people died.

Both Ukraine and the rebels have accused each other of shooting it down.

The Boeing 777 flight MH17 was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. It fell between Krasni Luch in Luhansk region and Shakhtarsk in the neighbouring region of Donetsk.

Latest figures released by Malaysia Airlines show the plane was carrying 192 Dutch nationals (including one with dual US citizenship), 44 Malaysians (including 15 crew), 27 Australians, 12 Indonesians and 10 Britons (including one with dual South African citizenship), four Germans, four Belgians, three from the Philippines, and one each from Canada and New Zealand.

Pressure on Russia
In a statement, the Ukrainian government complained that pro-Russian rebels had removed 38 bodies from the site and taken them to a morgue in the rebel-held city of Donetsk.

The BBC's Richard Galpin, who is at the crash site, says he saw bodies being removed but it was not clear who was taking them or where.

The Ukrainian government statement also said the rebels were trying to transport the plane's wreckage to Russia.

It's another fire zone ..

[Roisin]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Roisin (here)
I also feel sad that this incident happened because it's going to stop a good, competent leader from completing his mission which is to bring Russia back to its former glory. I really, really thought he was going to do that but now, that's not going to happen and I'm sad about that.

Is it his fault? Yes, because he didn't take those precautions necessary to make sure that he/Russia would not be framed in any way, shape or form by his enemies due to what's been going on in Ukraine.

Personally, I wouldn't under-estimate Putin, I don't think this will slow him down much. Putin made a statement stating this shoot down wouldn't of happened if Ukraine wouldn't of been interfered with in the first place.

His fault? It's no more his fault than it is Obama's fault for Israel sweeping through Gaza with US armor and weapons etc. Who armed ISIS?

It's a sick game regardless, yet we still don't know what exactly happened to cause the MH17 to crash, nor who actually did it. It was likely the Russian Separatists, but with all the research I've done thus far, it seems they didn't even know what they were shooting at and didn't realize it was a passenger jet until they came upon the wreckage.

Perhaps Ukraine actually shot it down?

Putin may even become more unpredictable now if it was actually an assassination attempt against him. This has yet to play itself out, they can't just make this go away like they did MH370.

[/url]

I posted a news article in this thread entitled 'What would it take to shoot down a commercial airliner?' or something like that. The info in that article makes it very, very clear that when the Buk missile launcher locks in on its target to shoot it down, it automatically ID's the type of plane it is via the plane's transponder. Commercial airliners have their own unique type of transponder and that expert said that whomever shot down that plane, knew it was a commercial airliner as that aircraft identifier is a built in feature in that technology. And let's face it, anyone who can target an airliner flying at normal speed that's waaaaay up there from the ground using that advanced anti-aircraft technology, can also read whatever information that is popping up on his screen right in front of his eyes as that info pops up automatically. So from this we can surmise that this passenger plane was shot down intentionally and that there was no question as to what type of aircraft it was.

This is important information and it's your choice to ignore it or consider it as true and correct information about that technology regardless that the source is mainstream.

Anyway, the thought crossed my mind that whomever shot that plane down was either an expertly trained operator of that technology on the Ukraine side using their Buk or, if the rumor is true that the 'rebels' had their own Buk, one of the Russian advisors/trainers who was operating that system at that time could have been a double agent working for either the Ukrainians or some other entity. They could have paid him off to shoot down a jumbo 777 so that the rebels/Putin/Russia would be blamed for that action hence turning the world against them and so on....

What's interesting also is that in the news yesterday, it stated that Ukraine arrested a Buk systems expert at the border somewhere. It sounded like that person was Russian and was trying to escape..... but from what? Will see if I can find that article because I didn't read it but will later.

[SilentFeathers]

Why is Malaysia constantly getting, well, hammered?????

Perhaps this may have something to do with these events and the targeting of Malaysian Airlines.....killing an extra bird with one stone so to speak.

This is probably nothing and unrelated, but personally, I'd be watching my back if I was going around pissing off some of these people named below!

Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCT), also known as the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, is a Malaysian organisation established in 2007 by Mahathir Mohamad to investigate war crimes.[1][2] The KLWCC was instigated as an alternative to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which Mahathir accused of bias in its selection of cases to cover.

In November 2011 the tribunal purportedly exercised universal jurisdiction to try in absentia former US President George W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, convicting both for crimes against peace because of what the tribunal concluded was the unlawful invasion of Iraq.[7][8][9]

In May 2012 after hearing testimony for a week from victims of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, the tribunal unanimously convicted in absentia former President Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Deputy Assistant Attorneys General John Yoo and Jay Bybee, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and former counselors David Addington and William Haynes II of conspiracy to commit war crimes, specifically torture.[10] The tribunal referred their findings to the chief prosecutor at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.[11]

In November 2013, the tribunal convicted State of Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and convicted former Israeli general Amos Yaron for crimes against humanity and genocide for his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_L...mes_Commission

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Posted by Roisin (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Roisin (here)
I also feel sad that this incident happened because it's going to stop a good, competent leader from completing his mission which is to bring Russia back to its former glory. I really, really thought he was going to do that but now, that's not going to happen and I'm sad about that.

Is it his fault? Yes, because he didn't take those precautions necessary to make sure that he/Russia would not be framed in any way, shape or form by his enemies due to what's been going on in Ukraine.

Personally, I wouldn't under-estimate Putin, I don't think this will slow him down much. Putin made a statement stating this shoot down wouldn't of happened if Ukraine wouldn't of been interfered with in the first place.

His fault? It's no more his fault than it is Obama's fault for Israel sweeping through Gaza with US armor and weapons etc. Who armed ISIS?

It's a sick game regardless, yet we still don't know what exactly happened to cause the MH17 to crash, nor who actually did it. It was likely the Russian Separatists, but with all the research I've done thus far, it seems they didn't even know what they were shooting at and didn't realize it was a passenger jet until they came upon the wreckage.

Perhaps Ukraine actually shot it down?

Putin may even become more unpredictable now if it was actually an assassination attempt against him. This has yet to play itself out, they can't just make this go away like they did MH370.

[/url]

I posted a news article in this thread entitled 'What would it take to shoot down a commercial airliner?' or something like that. The info in that article makes it very, very clear that when the Buk missile launcher locks in on its target to shoot it down, it automatically ID's the type of plane it is via the plane's transponder. Commercial airliners have their own unique type of transponder and that expert said that whomever shot down that plane, knew it was a commercial airliner as that aircraft identifier is a built in feature in that technology. And let's face it, anyone who can target an airliner flying at normal speed that's waaaaay up there from the ground using that advanced anti-aircraft technology, can also read whatever information that is popping up on his screen right in front of his eyes as that info pops up automatically. So from this we can surmise that this passenger plane was shot down intentionally and that there was no question as to what type of aircraft it was.

This is important information and it's your choice to ignore it or consider it as true and correct information about that technology regardless that the source is mainstream.

Anyway, the thought crossed my mind that whomever shot that plane down was either an expertly trained operator of that technology on the Ukraine side using their Buk or, if the rumor is true that the 'rebels' had their own Buk, one of the Russian advisers/trainers who was operating that system at that time could have been a double agent working for either the Ukrainians or some other entity. They probably paid him off to shoot down a jumbo 777 so that the rebels/Putin/Russia would be blamed for that action hence turning the world against them and so on....

What's interesting also is that in the news yesterday, it stated that Ukraine arrested a Buk systems expert at the border somewhere. It sounded like that person was Russian and was trying to escape..... but from what? Will see if I can find that article because I didn't read it but will later.

A Ukrainian fighter jet could of shot this airliner down, I don't believe hardly anything I am reading in the news....