Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Maia Gabrial]

I haven't read all the comments, so if this video has been posted, sorry. It's by DAHBOO77 doing his usual best to dig up the truth:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=28MrASx-RiM

[Ron Mauer Sr]

It is interesting to contrast the large amount of debris from the MH17 crash, yet almost no debris was found from United Airlines Flight 93, "supposedly" crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001.

Why is there so much difference between these incidents?

Reference:

The field where Flight 93 allegedly crashed

"This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise."
- Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller [1]

"I was looking for anything that said tail, wing, plane, metal. There was nothing."
- Photographer Scott Spangler [2]

"I was amazed because it did not, in any way, shape, or form, look like a plane crash."
- Patrick Madigan, commander of the Somerset barracks
of the Pennsylvania State Police [3]

[Tesseract]

Carlos ought to give a press conference, if he has a bona fide story to tell.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Tesseract (here)
Carlos ought to give a press conference, if he has a bona fide story to tell.

If he's telling the truth he's probably already had an unfortunate accident.....you know, such as; accidentally fell off a 60 story building.....

Whoops, I meant from the "7th" floor of a "77" story building....

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
It is interesting to contrast the large amount of debris from the MH17 crash, yet almost no debris was found from United Airlines Flight 93, "supposedly" crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001.

Why is there so much difference between these incidents?

Reference:

The field where Flight 93 allegedly crashed

"This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise."
- Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller [1]

"I was looking for anything that said tail, wing, plane, metal. There was nothing."
- Photographer Scott Spangler [2]

"I was amazed because it did not, in any way, shape, or form, look like a plane crash."
- Patrick Madigan, commander of the Somerset barracks
of the Pennsylvania State Police [3]

That now makes 3 jet airliners missing, 1 from Shanksville, 1 that allegedly hit the Pentagon, and now MH370. Someone could do some major damage with 3 airliners....

[Pris]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Pris (here)

No offense taken. We're all here to share our thoughts.

It seems that now there is 'evidence' suggesting that many of the victims may have been dead long before the crash...

Again, who were these people?

A convenient pile of undamaged passports...

And, what about the two fighter jets that seemed to escort MH17 right before it disappeared from radar?

I still hold to my original feeling that the crashed plane may indeed be flight MH370 substituting in for MH17.

Whatever the truth, it appears that this incident is being used to frame Russia.

One thing is for certain, Agape: I do not have 'common reasoning'.

You or I may believe that Santa Claus did it and it's still 'plausible option' ?

I'm not pathologist or forensic expert so we will have to leave it to them ... but consider that the 'people' or rather their 'bodies' suffered :

a/pressure wave shock at the moment of the detonation in the air - 33 000 ft above ground

b/fall from the same height for many of them who did not go down with the plane itself

c/another blast on the ground ( some of them anyway ) , possibly from the remaining jet engine (?)

d/to add your theory .. I've heard the first live reporters to the crash site saying there were many children , women and people with 'special medical equipment' ( what was that ? , possibly an oxygenator ? ) ,

Does it mean there were ill people on the plane , and considering that part were headed to the AIDS research conference , could there have been AIDS patients on the plane accompanying the researchers to the conference ( the chance there were few is higher than usually ) , even those in serious medical state ?

Now , no Airline in the world is obliged to release such personal data , unless of course , this would pose national or even global security threat .

In either case there could have people and blood samples on the plane that were , even potentially contagious ,
and even if most of them were destroyed in the process ,

the whole area should be sealed in my opinion .

Why you are bringing Santa Claus into this is beyond me.

I think you're missing my point, Agape. There is no question that people have suffered horribly and have been killed.

We do not know when, why, and how they were killed at this point.

I am questioning who the victims were. For example, were there really 100 AIDS scientists on that plane? Now, I'm hearing that number may be greatly reduced. It seems to be a setup to cause an intense, negative emotional reaction from the public. Sounds familiar? Apparently, the 'Cabal' like that kind of energy.

We've been fooled many times before.

Was there a plane switch/passenger switch? How does one explain bodies that appear to have been dead for days?

Could the whole event be a 'false flag' just to stir things up? Yes, of course it could be! We know the track record of the 'Cabal'.

I do not accept anything as 'proof' at this point.

Frankly, it's ridiculous that we're arguing about this.

[avid]

need to re-appraise my post in light of developments

However - Amzer-Zo - thanks for all the info, and the back-up of all!
I am of the opinion that the plane was carrying dead/diseased bodies, and the puppet-Israelis have something to gain by fomenting yet another Zionist war to keep our eyes off the atrocities in Gaza. The VT post about Israel/usa-lent aircraft was enough for me for the timing. They are always deeply involved in any false flags. Whilst the vast war on economy is rumbling in the background of BRICS. Saudis are panicking, their stronghold on oil is at stake, they are the tools of the financial oligarchs.

Time for me to go and dig for garden veggies, with a wee bit of a 'dust-cover' to ensure decent crops!

These times are so ludicrous the parents would have me committed to an asylum! They are all dying of poisoned brains - everyone old seems now to have alzheimers or dementia. Surely that isn't right? However - the battle of the "lies in the skies" is ongoing, and the MSM rhetoric is truly pathetically sickening.

[sigma6]

Total Psy Op - Looks Like Mossad - Which Means the US is party to it as well... Is this a surprise to anyone?


Was Airplane Shootdown Faked?
http://tomatobubble.com/id626.html

Notice how the Times, or rather, the "American officials" quoted in the first propaganda piece, make it a point to say that the missile believed to have brought down a Malaysian airliner, "might have been Russian made". One could just as easily speculate that it was "European made" or "American made", right? But the fix is already in to blame Putin for this mysterious tragedy.

What we find most intriguing are what appear to be staged photos surrounding this event - always a sure sign of CIA-Mossad orchestration. The "child's pink book" mentioned in the 2nd piece stinks of cornball Hollywood staging. With no known Americans on board, and just a handful of Australians, how convenient that the "pink book" should be written in English. See for yourself how strange, and how staged, some of these "wreckage" photos appear to be.

These pictures look totally faked. And don't match the original crash site, which itself is totally faked, At least this time, unlike 911, the plane didn't totally evaporate. So whoever is staging this is definitely upping their 'game'

[sigma6]

Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
No offense taken. We're all here to share our thoughts.
It seems that now there is 'evidence' suggesting that many of the victims may have been dead long before the crash...
Again, who were these people?
A convenient pile of undamaged passports...
And, what about the two fighter jets that seemed to escort MH17 right before it disappeared from radar?
I still hold to my original feeling that the crashed plane may indeed be flight MH370 substituting in for MH17.
Whatever the truth, it appears that this incident is being used to frame Russia.
One thing is for certain, Agape: I do not have 'common reasoning'.

You or I may believe that Santa Claus did it and it's still 'plausible option' ?
I'm not pathologist or forensic expert so we will have to leave it to them ... but consider that the 'people' or rather their 'bodies' suffered :
a/pressure wave shock at the moment of the detonation in the air - 33 000 ft above ground
b/fall from the same height for many of them who did not go down with the plane itself
c/another blast on the ground ( some of them anyway ) , possibly from the remaining jet engine (?)
d/to add your theory .. I've heard the first live reporters to the crash site saying there were many children , women and people with 'special medical equipment' ( what was that ? , possibly an oxygenator ? ) ,
Does it mean there were ill people on the plane , and considering that part were headed to the AIDS research conference , could there have been AIDS patients on the plane accompanying the researchers to the conference ( the chance there were few is higher than usually ) , even those in serious medical state ?
Now , no Airline in the world is obliged to release such personal data , unless of course , this would pose national or even global security threat .
In either case there could have people and blood samples on the plane that were , even potentially contagious ,
and even if most of them were destroyed in the process ,
the whole area should be sealed in my opinion .

Why you are bringing Santa Claus into this is beyond me.
I think you're missing my point, Agape. There is no question that people have suffered horribly and have been killed.
We do not know when, why, and how they were killed at this point.
I am questioning who the victims were. For example, were there really 100 AIDS scientists on that plane? Now, I'm hearing that number may be greatly reduced. It seems to be a setup to cause an intense, negative emotional reaction from the public. Sounds familiar? Apparently, the 'Cabal' like that kind of energy.
We've been fooled many times before.
Was there a plane switch/passenger switch? How does one explain bodies that appear to have been dead for days?
Could the whole event be a 'false flag' just to stir things up? Yes, of course it could be! We know the track record of the 'Cabal'.
I do not accept anything as 'proof' at this point.
Frankly, it's ridiculous that we're arguing about this.

All options are open, I do think it is plausible this plane could be MH370, the Israelis almost gave it away suggesting that the plane was hi-jacked for an attack against them. This usually happens when they aren't certain the MSM propaganda is going to work and someone has leaked the real info, so they suggest something like that to "cover themselves" just in case. Even if it is a False Flag Psyop... And I think the whole planet is catching on that is what this is... There may be "new rules" regarding how many people are they legally allowed to premeditatively kill. Especially now that a lot of these False Flags are targeting innocent civilians. So filling a plane with dead body parts, might be a necessary legal protocol. Just as it was suggested the passengers of MH370 were all drugged and kept in captivity for the rest of their lives... (as ridiculous as these "rules" might sound to us)

The best thing is this is flying apart faster then the Spin Drs can fake it up... We are awake, we are aware, and the truth will out on this... Less and less people are being fooled. There is nothing to take for granted either... It seems more information is coming in faster then ever before...

This is a good sign... Congratulations to all who have brought forth and shared info...

[Zampano]

A little sidenote:
When I was in Australia I had a stop in Kuala Lumpur to change the plane. Instead I spent 3 weeks there and travelled a bit arround.
I met a lot of good people there-this was 7 years ago or so.

What was really interesting to me, that you can find the majority of the worlds main religions living together moreorless in peace.
More than less in peace.
The majority is Muslim secular or not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Malaysia

And the rest is Christiniaty, Taosim, Buddhism, Hinduism, Ba Hai and Shikism.

What I saw there is, that they can live together in peace!
You have Muslim neighbourhoods and Christians together and on and on. Hindus and Sikhs.


Whats going on behind the veil, I dont know, but I think Malaysia is a role model on diversity in any colour and faith.

[sigma6]

Was Airplane Shootdown Faked?
http://tomatobubble.com/id626.html

Already Posted this here.
Total Psy Op - Looks Like Mossad - Which Means the US is party to it as well... Is this a surprise to anyone?
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post855335

All the signs that the "war" has begun, even if it is a controlled underground Western Vatican/Banking Cabal vs Russia/Brics black ops tit for tat, i.e. it is clear they want to Strike but they want to create a "moral high ground" (as ironic and hypocritical as that must sound) ...to milk public sympathy which they will need to mobilize the suckers in all the militaries to kill themselves, as well as the get the "general public" to support it...

This thread is getting a torrent of responses, I personally can't follow threads that go past 100-200 posts as things often just get redundant and confusing and diluted. I wonder if there is a way, since so much information is coming in.... to break this up into Separate Categories?

Also just a suggestion, since this thing seems to be exploding faster then anything we have seen before.

False Flag Info: major theme.
Info related to falsified news, reports, documents, photos.

MH17 flight path...

Spanish Air Traffic Controller, Ukrainian Jet Info...

Sites with conspiracy research... as a list of references...


Anything related to the BRICS financial conglomeration, and the Banker Cartel/Vatican responses


I can't really think of good topics right off, because we don't know exactly with what we are dealing with...
So really If this was broken down into the 5 top topics decided by Avanlon, then start each post with MH17 Crash: Blah blah blah...

[Operator]

Posted by Zampano (here)
...
Whats going on behind the veil, I dont know, but I think Malaysia is a role model on diversity in any colour and faith.

Well, perhaps that's the answer right there ...

[sigma6]

Posted by MorningSong (here)
...found this:

How Satellites Give Clues About Malaysia Jet Attack in Ukraine
A family of satellites known as the U.S. Space Based Infrared System, or SBIRS, was probably key to determining that a surface-to-air missile took down the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 jet over Ukraine on Thursday. The satellites fly in geosynchronous orbit, 22,300 miles above the planet, and use infrared sensors to detect heat sources on the ground, such as rocket or missile plumes. Five are operational at all times, and they're supplemented by infrared sensors on other satellites that are part of the Defense Support Program, or DSP.
Since the 1970s, the principal mission of the DSP family has been to detect launches of intercontinental ballistic missiles and sea-launched ballistic missiles via their plumes. During the Vietnam War, defense officials found that the satellites could also detect the signatures of smaller missile launches, midair explosions and nuclear tests. SBIRS readings are downloaded and initially analyzed at Buckley Air National Guard Base in Aurora, Colorado. Last month, Lockheed Martin won a $1.9 billion contract to expand the satellite system.

See the vid entitled: Authorities Will Look for Radar Data, Inferred Info in Malaysia Crash at the link:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...kraine-n158741
This too, talks about the sats that could reveal info on who did it and from where:

What Brought Down the Malaysia Airlines Jet Over Ukraine?
By Robert Windrem, Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...kraine-n158601

Only one problem, it's all US controlled and if they are the culprit the information will be 100% worthless if not completely falsified...

[Operator]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
Was Airplane Shootdown Faked?
http://tomatobubble.com/id626.html
...

Good question ... crossed my mind also.

This is however probably same as Apollo moon landings ... the feat maybe true however the media presented
to the public is totally fabricated to fit a storyline. Happens all the time ... so why not here?

[sigma6]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
http://lifenews.ru/watch-live LIVE NEWS FEED - VERY GRAPHIC!!!!!!! Bodies everywhere.

They're saying there was either one or several disabled people on the plane with accompanying medical equipment , many children , women among all .
Then also pointing to news in some internet newspaper where it's claimed that missiles of such long range capability are in the rebels possession ( contrary to some of the previous statements ) ..and , it was reportedly calculated that the missile was fired from the Donetsk area .
Disgusting . And very dangerous to everybody around . I still find hard to believe them .

This is outdated.... Daboo's video and the logical interpretation indicate it couldn't have been shot in the sky... So the REMOTE CONTROL OPTION is making MORE SENSE at this point. Based on the map where it went "offline" they just had to fly it in a straight line and drop altitude and crash it. Then it exploded ON THE GROUND... (filled with explosives?)

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Posted by Craig (here)
Has anybody seen the Jim Stone site? There is a screen shot showing a flight display with MH17 was cancelled, he then surmises that flight MH 370 plane was used and remotely controlled into the area where it was shot down.

Also mentions that it was extremely quick that those responsible were found and what missile was used, and I will guess that it is probably true that photos were quick to emerge, also mentioned was a comparison to flight 93 from 9/11 comparing amounts of wreckage - bloody interesting i will admit

I awoke to this news and my firsts thought were false flag and expect MSM lies, very sad that I felt this way and very sad to the see the MSM juggernaut run with this in their rabid dog fashion.

It would be helpful to add a Title, some excerpt and a link ... for post like this.

[onawah]

Twin (Twin?) 777 from MH 370 Finally Resurfaces in Ukraine
From Forbidden Knowledge

There seems to me to be a distinct
likelihood that the Malaysia Flight 370
airliner - the Boeing 777 Twin Jet - or
else its twin has finally resurfaced, in
the disputed territory surrounding
Donetsk, Ukraine.

So says Clifford Anthony Paiva, a Navy
Veteran with a Master's Degree in
Geophysics who created the video below,
as well as this previous one, who asserts
that this plane was not shot down by a
missile but was deposited there by land
and detonated at its purported "crash
site."

Paiva notes the many hallmarks of an
astonishingly poorly-executed False Flag
operation, including these "obvious
blunders for this stupid CIA operation,"
including "1) Very colorful clothing, seats
and passports, all unconsumed by the
"impact" inferno, of course! 2) No lays on
the ground with their bodies (to say
nothing of their clothes), unburned. Even
for the US-CIA, this is manifestly stupid!
3) Very clear [tire] tracks leading to the
"impact" site; another unnecessary
oversight by the same incompetent United
Airlines Flight 93 team. 4) And of course!
NO BLACK BOX! (Voice and Flight Data
Recorder), at least for public confirmation
of the newest Malaysian-CIA Flight storyline.

"Incidentally, not only are NO bodies
(uncovered with some material) present,
absolutely NO missile radar track files are
presented. NO, this is just more White House
nonsense...and having worked crash fires for
the US Air Force, I can say with some
authority, [a] crash site does NOT end abruptly.
[Here], the grass goes untouched."

It remains now for the world's planespotters to
determine if this is the aircraft from Flight 370,
or if this is its twin Twin Jet, purchased by a
shady South Florida aviation company, with
records indicating that it has been held in
storage in a country I won't name here but as
previously reported, here and here.

Video (2 minutes):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8ERd9Fz_1NA

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/...n-ukraine.html
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/26548.html

[sigma6]

Posted by Roisin (here)

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
Yes... are we seeing MH370 here? Was it substituted in -- to 'replace' flight MH17... a way to destroy the evidence and kill all the people on board?!

Was this some kind of a setup to appear like a missile hit?!

Me too I'm having sort of 'deja vu' but don't think this is correct version . The passengers were different people ..

Right, it's like Groundhog Day.

At any rate, that this second Malaysian Airline incident occurred where it did today. Not to mention all of the political ramifications of that especially between the US and Russia, may have been all planned out to provide a diversion from the real reason why that plane was shot down. IOW, it's just a noisy clashing of loud drums to obfuscate the background music which I think threads a strong link between what happened today and what happened on March 8th.

Not that 370 was shot down too but I don't think it's a coincidence that the plane that was shot down today was a Malaysian Airliner too. There's a link there and it should be investigated. I'm not seeing anything in the media about that either. So that in itself is raising a lot of red flags. The talking heads on the news are totally leaving out any connections between both incidents.

370 was flown to Diego Garcia, we were even contacted by one of the engineers that managed to stuff his iphone up his arse, and the world didn't even pay it attention and there was no followup (pathetic) to what could have been a life and death world changing tip... that's not how detective work is done, last I checked...

They can't connect it to the last event because THEY DENIED THAT TOO... that's the beauty of denial, it creates an ideal breeding ground for dementia in your future years (statistics actually prove this...)

[Zampano]

Okidoki-I have to say, after some researching, that according to Malaysian law,
that same sex sexual activity is not legal.
There it goes the colour.

[Pris]

Has anyone followed up on what happened to that Boeing 777 cargo plane that got diverted to Germany?

David Wilcock suggested that plane may have been flight MH370. David also suggested it's possible this flight was meant to crash into the Nuclear Summit Meeting at the Hague.


Here's a link to David's whole article: "Flight 370: The Straw That Breaks the Cabal's Back".

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...159-flight-370

Most of the information relating to this is near the bottom of page 4:

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...owall=&start=3


Let's suppose David is onto something. If the first plan using flight MH370 was 'foiled' (thanks Weird Al), could this new event with flight MH17 be Plan B -- pulling MH370 back out of storage?

[sigma6]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by cursichella1 (here)

Posted by Zionbrion (here)

Posted by cursichella1 (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I hear with my own ears, anderson cooper refer to the anniversary of flight 800 which was also "shot down by a missle".
Happened at 3 40 pm on cnn. Has anyone else heard this?

It is true. Are we surprised? http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...sary/12784535/

Malaysia crash shares anniversary with TWA Flight 800 USA TODAY - 2 hours ago Oddly, today's crash of a Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shares a date with another major airline disaster, the crash of TWA Flight 800 over Long ...

More numerology. TWA flight 800 crashed in 1996 so 1+9+9+6=25 2+5=7. 2014. 2+0+1+4=7.

Then there's the 295 passengers and crew. 2 + 9 + 5 = 16 1 + 6 =7

Sorry but the only Numerology number I see is (8)

MH17 (1 + 7) = 8

The 8 is the great Karmic equalizer, a force that just as easily creates as it destroys. When the 8 comes knocking, you can be assured that you will reap what you've sown.

http://www.numerology.com/numerology-numbers/8

NUMBER 8

Number 8 resonates with the influences and vibrations of authority and personal power, self-confidence, executive ability, confidence, inner-strength, professionalism and the professional, management, material freedom, success, good judgement, money, finances, riches, manifesting wealth, abundance and prosperity, provision, investments, discrimination and discernment, giving and receiving, thoroughness, dependability, self-reliance, repose, practicality, consideration, inner-wisdom, self-sufficiency, social status, pragmatism, the ego, aggregation, compassion, dictatorship, executive, delegation, reality, truth and integrity, compassion, dictatorship, multiples, employment, stability, appearance, customs, skills and talents, exchanges, truth, good judgement and problem-solving, organisation and organizing, achieving and achievements, decisiveness, control, constant, ambition, the authoritarian, challenge, efficiency, trustworthiness, insight, planning and the planner, sociability, works independently, learning through experience, true justice, retreat, patience, caution, self-discipline, free-will, insight, spiritual consciousness, expansion, dissolution, dimension of the timeless, good and bad, right and wrong, day and night, ability to see and relate to eternal dimensions, balance between forces, connects spirit and matter, developing confidence to follow a vision, breaks down barriers to transformation, reality, courage, a desire for peace and a love of humanity and world transformation.

Number 8 relates to the concept of karma – the Universal Spiritual Law of Cause and Effect.

Relates to:
The North Node of the Moon (individual fate)
Strength Tarot Card
Sunday
Colour: Silver

Character:
The Boss, powerful drive to succeed, decision-making, intensely active, seizes opportunities, takes control, wants security, success.

http://numerology-thenumbersandtheir.../number-8.html

PSS - In simpler terms the (No.8)

Resurrection, new Beginings - In the Bible represents a new beginning, meaning a New Order or Creation, and man's true 'Born Again' event when he is resurrected from the dead into eternal life.

http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/m...n-bible/8.html

PSSS - The Date:

7-17-2014

7 + 17 + 2 + 1 + 4 = 31 (3 + 1) = 4

What's 8 ÷ 4 = 2

This is only the 1st False Flag, Bigger one yet to come...

I think all this numerology stuff is bunk, in the sense that it is just a system used to let other Secret Society members know that a "hit" has taken place, When you see an event that has numbers like 9/11 or 7/7 or 3/11 and add some of their coded meanings for what some of these numbers might represent... then you have the basic idea of what went down. You can also use a simple statistical model to say "hey, those numbers are NOT random... that must be one of my "Secret Society" buddies doing a hit... I better go down to the local lodge, give the secret handshake, (saying I'm not one of the looney goodie goodies acting as a cover for what is really going on... but an actual higher level member that is hiding behind them... to get the inside story... )

Also the numbers serve as an organizational mnemonic device. And since there are so many of these going down, they must have decided to line up the satanic holidays with special easy to remember dates, What could be an easier mnemonic then 9/11 and 7/7 or 3/11?

Let's read what is in front of our faces first, before we read "between" the lines... these numbers are mnemonic relating to specific dates and they are NON RANDOM as could be proven statistically.


And now for some speculations... and the meaning behind the 7s... are you ready... :O

It means the Illuminati Banking Cartel family Washington DC/Inner City of London/Vatican Trilateral group are saying... this is a massive crap shoot... as in...

Come on 7s!!! Daddy needs a New World Order!! Come on 7's !!!! :D





Ok, so it's not total bunk (just did that to get your attention...hehe) But it is just a method of telegraphing information in the public to let other parties know, that a "hit" is going down...