Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[jake gittes]

Posted by Selene (here)
To return to the OP, speaking as a frequent traveller with more than my share of international flights, the real smoking gun is those pristine, unbent, unruffled boarding passes.

For an international flight, the security screening is repeated and extensive, even if you go directly from check-in to your gate. No way in hell a used boarding pass will look like those after several hours of being stuffed into a pocket or carryon, being repeatedly scanned, read, checked, handled, observed and security screened. And once you've boarded, that pass gets casually stuffed away into your pocket or carryon.

No way. Another rat squeals....

Regards,

Selene

I agree Selene. All the passports in a single stack? Plus, the debris is so concentrated, like it was dropped from a forklift loading it onto something. (Or dumped from a dump truck.) Say you're driving along and decide suddenly to throw out a bag of groceries. The bag of groceries isn't going to be assembled all in one spot. It will be strewn over an area, based on how fast it was moving. A body in motion, etc. This stuff looks planted.

[SilentFeathers]

It'll be interesting to see where this will be by next Friday....

[airaspect]

Completely agree with Zamolxe here.

Condition of the passports do rise an eyebrow, but bare in mind that:
- passports do have an expiry date;
- quite a lot of people don't fly around the world that much;
- we can travel around the EU countries (most of them) without a passport;

therefore, some people will need to apply for a new passport before traveling. Not to look far, I, for example, would need a new passport since my old one is past it's date. So mine would be in exact same mint condition. Some of my family members had to get new ones last year for the same reason.

Also those passports were probably inside personal luggage. Does that explain everything ? As was said before, it probably depends where and how the rocket hit. Hard to say.

But saying based on that that the whole thing was an inside job is a big stretch. As i understand, the "rebels" uploaded a movie with smoke seen from afar, boasting about shooting down UK airplane. Then the movie was taken down 15 minutes later. Ukrainian gov. informed on a press release that they have recorded a phone call between a "rebel" on the scene reporting to a russian colonel and saying something like: "........ damn ..... i think it might be civilian". The area is controlled by russian "rebels". At this point i really see no reason to discredit the story, according to which russian "rebels" shot down a civil airplane by a horrible mistake.

@the debris getting transported there - well, looks terrifyingly solid to me.

@EU observers not trying to get in - they did try to get in before, in may 2014 they were taken hostage in Donieck region by the "rebels", then released after a few days. One of the observers was from Poland so we got that pretty well covered.

[syrwong]

The nation with an eagle in its emblem is the master of aviation sabotage.
Plane disaster is always great psyop. It generates more fear and arouses greater hatred in people. Besides the crime and evidence is self-destruct, propaganda with no proof is more effective. With a barrage of immediate disinformation, anyone could be convincingly blamed, any nation or group can be demonized. That’s why it is never too trite to repeat it again and again.

[Tesseract]

Although this has been a distraction from the Palestine conflict - Israel did not really need that distraction, the powerful countries of the world were going to turn a blind eye anyway. As far as Dahboo77's material goes, he does jump to conclusions, at times there is almost a formula to it. Not so long ago there was sometimes stifled laughter in his videos, which gave the impression he was taking the piss. Now he seems to be keeping himself serious. I honestly don't know where the guy is at.

Although I want to see more evidence, especially physical evidence, before making a conclusion, it is true that the mainstream theory is plausible (along with some other theories). If the mainstream theory is to be busted, there will need to be many more points of evidence than some good-condition passports and tweets from an unidentified air-traffic controller. Time will tell, I hope.

[jackovesk]

***Update***

Australian PM Tony Abbott finally talks with Putin

MH17: Tony Abbott speaks to Vladimir Putin as Australia pushes for UN support for independent investigation

July 21, 2014

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has spoken overnight on Sunday with Russian President Vladimir Putin as Australia begins gathering support for a draft United Nations Security Council resolution to condemn the shooting down of MH17 and demand an independent investigation.

Mr Abbott said on Monday morning that Mr Putin had said ''all the right things'' during their conversation overnight.

''Now he has to be as good as his word,’’ he told Macquarie Radio 2GB on Monday morning. ''And I will be speaking regularly to the Russian President to do my best to hold him to his word.''



He said his priority was to do ''the right thing'' by the Australian victims and their families by ensuring bodies were treated with respect, the crash site was secured and a thorough investigation undertaken.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...721-3c9mt.html

PS - Now I will put my 'Spidey-Sense' hat on...



After watching Tony Abbott's Live Press conference on the ABC today this is what I sensed...

Press Gallery Question: "Have you spoken with President Putin yet, if so what was discussed in the Conversation?"

Abbott: "Mr Putin had said ''all the right things'' during their conversation overnight" - "He said his priority was to do ''the right thing'' by the Australian victims and their families."

PREFACE: When watching this Live I was watching Abbotts tone, eye's & body language to see what was truly said in his telephone conversation with Putin...

• After Abbott was asked the Putin question, he 'paused' and chose his words very carefully
• It was as if he was measuredly shocked at what Putin had told him
• It was like 'Holy Mother Mary of God' can that really be true?

Abbott didn't give anything away and held his cards extremely tight to his chest. From an Outsider looking in, its was easy to see Abbott change his (Direct-Attack) on Russia & Putin blaming them for the ill-gotten Fate of MH17 to a more measured response in lieu of the telephone conversation had with Putin earlier in the day...

CONCLUSION:

Abbott knows the story from a Russian standpoint and it was if he couldn't believe what he was hearing from the Russian President..!

Now Tony Abbott has heard the Truth from the Russian President, it will be very interesting just how all of this plays out..?

One things for sure, the (Real-Truth) on this False-Flag will surface and the UN/NATO & US Cabal Alliance will be $hitting-Themselves as to what the final outcome will be..?

This is my Final (Litmus-Test) for the Aussie PM...

• He knows the Truth
• He knows Putin's side of the story

I think the Cabal's Fate now lies directly on the outcome of this investigation...

Then you have Australia's Foreign Minister Julie Bishop who held the final (Binding-Vote) that saw Tony Abbott become leader of the Liberal National Party (LNP)...

Julie Bishop is one I don't trust as much, admittedly she is all new to this. However, most Aussies have a sense of dis-trust from this ruthless politician...

Interestingly enough - Julie Bishop's very 1st meeting was in New York with the CIA...

ABC News...

During her trip, Ms Bishop has met with senior intelligence officers including the head of the CIA.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-2...-pawns/5610360

I be watching this space intently and will update you all on any further developments.

[Centauri]

Since this thread is on the front page still with the word BUSTED in it, I figured I'd put this here. For some reason I didn't want to start yet another thread.

Jim Stone, as always, is full of outrage and some serious logic points that I find interesting regarding this... whatever this event is. Sometimes he gets a bit too flagrant in his near-antisemitism rants forgetting to keep reiterating exactly what groups he is trash-talking. This, unfortunately, sours many and undermines his credibility to many.
Well, here goes nothing. From his website...


"DNA PROOF SUBMITTED AT LEAST A WEEK TOO SOON PROVES IDENTIFICATION OF PASSENGERS FALSE
Toni wrote:
Today I picked up my sister who flew in from the netherlands. She tells me that a team of doctors from the Netherlands went to the crash site and identified people on board as the people who checked in flight MH17. Including DNA proof. I told her I doubt that is possible in such a short time.
My response:
DNA identification requires a pre crash sample to be available for all passengers. There is NO WAY they could have located even ONE pre crash sample this quickly and then used it to identify even ONE passenger in only two days. The machines may go that fast with really good samples if you start from day one with both samples in the lab, but HOW, with passengers from Malaysia, China, Australia, the Netherlands and many other places could that happen? ANSWER: THERE WAS NO DNA IDENTIFICATION and now that this lie has been spun WAY TOO SOON, THERE NEVER WILL BE. Just like when Israel verifies the DNA of a "suicide bomber" and bulldozes the neighborhood within two hours of a "bombing", such lies are for the foolish. DO NOT be counted among them.
If a super sleuth crack team of experts was deployed and had the best of the best gear ON SITE IN UKRAINE, and a complimentary team ready to pounce right on the home of a crash victim you might see the first true result in FIVE DAYS if they got VERY LUCKY, with most in a week and a half, and many never identified at all because no pre crash sample was there to be had. Why would there be a rush to report this anyway (true or not), other than to steer public opinion?
With recombinant technology vastly improved over years prior, it might be possible to get a match in two days IF AND ONLY IF at the exact beginning of those two days both samples were available, both samples were very large and of high quality and both samples went straight into the equipment immediately. But with pre crash samples needing to be ferreted out from homes and posessions and being of imperfect quality, and the body over a thousand KM away, two days is laughably foolish - it simply would never happen.
I say ZERO dead aids doctors or live passengers or pilots, and only corpses loaded and flown via remote
DEAR RENSE AND YOSHI, YOU SCREWED UP BIG TIME. BECAUSE ON A 777, THE CARGO BAY IS PRESSURIZED AND RECEIVES THE EXACT SAME AIR THE CABIN DOES. THERE IS NO SEPARATION IN THIS ON A 777 WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE 777 BECAUSE IT IS THAT WAY WITH ALL MODELS, AND IF LIVE PASSENGERS SHARED THE SAME AIRSPACE AS ROTTING CORPSES, WELL, THEY WOULD NOT GET ON THAT PLANE WOULD THEY? WHAT WOULD THE PILOTS THINK? YOU ARE BUSTED RENSE, GET THAT LIE OF YOURS ABOUT DISEASED DEAD CORPSES IN THE CARGO BAY WITH LIVE PEOPLE IN THE CABIN OFF THE WEB.
And why load diseased corpses into a plane that was going to be shot down in the middle of nowhere? The diseased corpses cargo bay story is absolute crp and that is all there is to it. I am actually angry with Rense for spinning that kind of bunk out of nowhere and or allowing Yoshi to peddle that crp on such a large venue, as angry as I am for having an Australian newspaper make the the same type of lie up about 108 dead doctors when there is no way ANY doctor has a nose that would have permitted boarding that plane AT ALL."


and another point....

In the wreckage the rotten corpses were not bagged or shielded from their environment in ANY WAY. This makes the entire notion of having live people, ESPECIALLY DOCTORS WHO MIGHT KNOW THAT SMELL, on that plane at all.
Bottom line? The shared airspace in the cargo hold and cabin once again supports the entire notion that the shoot down plane really was flight 370, and it was either autopiloted or remote controlled to the shoot down location. No live passenger would have boarded and no pilot would have either with no separation between them and rotting corpses in a sealed environment, the shared airspace leaves only ONE ANSWER, which is:
Someone with billion dollar funding bought all seats on the flight to suit the records, fake identities and accompanying passports were provided, the plane was swapped, the flight was listed as canceled, and flight 370 took off and was used for the shoot down. It was flown 200 KM off course to get to the correct region for shoot down.
Afterward route MH17 continued perfectly on schedule as if no crash happened at all. That is because route MH17 lost no planes and could just resume as normal. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks because it genuinely vanished, yet again confirming MH17 lost no aircraft at all. And all people on flight 370 were killed well in advance of this false flag shoot down to make good and sure NO ONE would survive the crash to talk about what happened at Diego Garcia.
And the pristine passports also tell the story, there was not one recovered that looked the least bit used. Obviously they were made days before this false flag, and whoever fronted it did not expect any intact bodies to make it through the crash. Usually with high speed crashes bodies are erased. In this case, that assumption was a huge mistake.
And what about Gaza? That is even more motiviation for ditching flight 370 at this time, to draw the public eye away from an even bigger crime to a lesser one to be milked as many ways as possible, including an attempt to frame Russia for a plane shoot down.


and another point...

108 aids conference delegates suddenly dropped to six proves entire "missing and dead" script from MH17 a fabrication.
Many news sites picked this 108 number up, and this ONE THING, which was a HUGE LIE, proves that there were NO REGULARLY SCHEDULED PASSENGERS ON FLIGHT MH17. The redactions of the 108 aids conference delegates proves the entire list false, if you drop the number 108 down to six, who were the other 102? The mainstream media is hiccuping and backtracking and tripping all over itself trying to plug holes in their story and praying for short memories and impressionable attention deficit minds, please watch the puppet on the left while the "magic" is done elsewhere and OH GOD may they forget all the lies we spun and just hop right back into tomorrows script without thought or memory AT ALL.


and another involving any 'investigation'...

It has been anounced that because rebels got to the crash first, NO ANALYSIS OF THE CRASH CAN BE DONE.
How convenient. Let me tell you why no analysis can be done. Because Ukraine is totally zionist controlled, and they do not want answers getting out. These answers will be provided by serial numbers on all the parts. Flight 370 was a brand spankin new aircraft, at a little under two years old. And it would be impossible to dispose of. You might be able to go through it and rob the aluminum and get that recycled without anyone pegging you, but what about the landing gear, hydraulic pumps, fuel pumps, engines or anything else? Those parts would have been impossible to dispose of because they are all tracked via serial number and the serial numbers are all tracked to the plane they came from. The only way to ditch flight 370 would be to do so in a war zone in a totally controlled puppet state where you could blame circumstances for the inability to conduct a proper investigation. I guess you could also ditch it at sea, but there are satellites, RUSSIAN SATELLITES that could nail you doing it.

So there you have it. What does everyone think about these points?

[sigma6]

Posted by MalteseKnight (here)
Let's not assume that there are not different factions in the Government of the People's Republic of China, and Russia, respectively. These governments are not monolithic. Some of the factions are linked to off world factions. Then again, the whole build up situation may be being contrived in order to divert attention away from a currency rebalancing situation that the IMF could be contemplating in the near future. .....magicians attempt to divert attention while indulging in a sleight of hand....

Good assessment... I agree exactly, look at all the things this has managed to erase from main stream media. the genocidal attack of Israeli tanks to clear out the gaza strip. And the rise is the price of gold, which I think is largely a reaction to the BRICS announcement. But meant to look like a reaction to the jet downing...

[jackovesk]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Some interesting language in this interview...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6QOPOdstx-4

Yep, good find SilentFeathers...

Your a FKIN-LIAR)))) John Kerry

Your (LYING-EYES) & (EXCESSIVE BLINKING) are a Dead Giveaway...

(WAR-MONGERING) Rhetoric at its Best- (Absolutely PATHETIC)...

[sigma6]

Posted by Tesseract (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
[...]

.... Where is the Spanish Air Traffic Controller (before they kill him, he is now a target) According to him there is also more evidence and witnesses to prove that. That will blow EVERYTHING IN THE MSM DOWN THE TOILET.

They are already busy discrediting him as a non-existent entity...

However, what remains are the confiscated Kiev air-control radar and communication data... apparently one faction of the "Ukrainian official" military got their hands on them and not releasing them for international investigation... one wonders why... since it would reveal why MH-0017 got to be rerouted in a corridor 300 miles north of its approved flight plan.

The claim was that he was deported from Ukraine. Hard to believe they would do that if he had the information that is claimed.

EXACTLY... and someone suggested he is being treated as a non entity? What is the logic behind that?.... other then evidence of bias and propaganda before the investigation has even started...

[sigma6]

According to McConnell’s documents, Boeing is said to have stated that by end of 2009 all Boeing planes would be fitted with the BUAP - making them impossible to manually hijack within the plane but susceptible to remote control by the military, according the flight veteran.”

Can you hear the Satanic backwards double speak... what they are really saying it is impossible to hijack... that is, unless you are Boeing or the CIA... the logical reality is BY DEFINITION, these planes are DEFINITELY HIJACKABLE... It's a just a matter of hacking the system... All programs can be hacked, but when you are the creator and the government with jurisdictional access, then it is a given...

Who's going to trust the US not to crash their planes?

[GoodETxSG]

Implying that this is being pegged as a false flag ONLY by photo's of Passports that are all without blemish or a crinkle is disingenuous.

Evidence is available in the black boxes of the planes, the Tapes from the Flight Control Towers (In neighboring area's as well as interested groups spying on every electronic transmission going on in the region), the actual SAM Batter (If it was not fired from one of the UK Planes Shadowing the Plane when it was shot down), and Satellite Telemetry of probably half a dozen countries/organizations that have been in GeoSynchronous Orbit over the conflict zone since the ordeal began. These satellite's have the ability to show exactly where the missile came from if they are willing to sacrifice the technical capabilities of their satellites in doing so. In the mean time there is plenty of "Evidence" being fabricated and quashed by the MSM/West to "Spin this Tragedy into an opportunity" (Does that line sound familiar?)...

For those who have drank the Kool Aid there is no discussing the finer points of how this "Game" (As these people call it) is played (And in turn WE are played). One thing that can be said is that some MAJOR information is being withheld from the public by more than one Government and the question should be WHY!

Who has to GAIN Who has to LOOSE in this scenario? I am told that NATO is actually ramped up and ready to mobilize before anyone has proven who/what brought down the plane!

Who/What was possibly on the plane that it was first singled out among dozens of other flights that day, diverted and then shot down?

Why are the Intel groups from the countries that have so much to loose keeping information that could benefit them quiet? This is the one that arches my eye brows the most...

This all sounds very weird and like a conspiracy theory wet dream but something strange is going on with the entire situation and the crash site as is being reported from close by on the ground by spectators with binoculars (For Real).

While all of that is being played out over there Politicians on both sides cannot let a perfect storm or human tragedy go to waste. Why doesn't anything shock me anymore?


The Donetsk Republic already has international observers on the crash site.

Satellite data on MH17 should be released: Analyst
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...eased-analyst/

Rebel leader gives bizarre account of plane crash (Bodies seemed to have been drained of Blood and decomposed)
***Some of the worlds leading Epidemiologists were onboard the plane some of which worked on bioweapons and AIDS Research. It has been said that some of the people's names cannot be released nor can their coworkers as it would cause panic among some organizations. What is not being reported is that just under half of the passengers were scientists of some sort... mostly unrelated fields. (What does this mean? Coincidence? Too Weird to Believe? I wonder if any of their passports were in that stack?)***
http://deadlinelive.info/2014/07/19/...nd-decomposed/

Hillary Tells EU to Use MH17 Tragedy to Find Alternatives to Gazprom (dollar dumping gas giant)
Nothing to do with Petro $ Dump and BRICS Economic Threat to the CABAL? Not one smidgen of corruption or horse head left in the BRICS Alliance beds as a sign?
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/07/...o.html#!biXGWn

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nkTRJgDkNFg

WHOEVER BROUGHT DOWN MH17 HAD EXTENSIVE TRAINING, US ARMY MAJOR GENERAL
The "Rebels" who were given a SAM Battery or "Captured" one read the manuals and figured out the access codes and RADAR Targeting systems without test firing the system or any live fire experience at all?
http://www.phantomreport.com/whoever...ntom+Report%29

Does the Weird Numerology event tie in or is this article way off? *** ”Now I’m going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven …Most of you will know that seven is quite a number” speech by Christine Lagarde, President of IMF on 15 January 2014" I dunno, this is a stretch it's all hinky/weird to me.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=101091

What Really Happened to MH17? An Open Source Investigation
http://www.corbettreport.com/what-re...investigation/

In Wake of MH17 Crash, Civilian Casualties Mount in East Ukraine
International observers confirm they have accessed site and remains of crash casualties
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/07/20-1

Was the Shootdown of the Passenger Jet Over Ukraine a False Flag?
http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=31020

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RMgIpC-bCfQ

Corporate Media Blames Russia for Downing of MH17 Despite Lack of Evidence - Elite gunning for world war to distract attention from slow motion crash of economy
Who Benefits?

Everyone agrees that the sniper attack in Ukraine which started the regime change was a false flag attack.

Eric Zuesse claims false flags are continuing to this day in Ukraine:

Writing at professorsblog.com, this great historian, Dr. de Noli, noticed that whereas in “Berlin 27 Feb 1933, Nazis set fire the Reichstag, and Adolf Hitler blames ‘pro-Russian gangsters’,” a chief instigator of the 22 February 2014 Ukrainian coup was a leading Swedish nazi, Sweden’s Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, and that a remarkably similar tactic was used by Bildt and the Obama Administration to start the Ukrainian civil war. De Noli notes that this war was sparked and made inevitable when in “Odessa 2 May 2014, nazis set fire [to the Trade] Union building and Carl Bildt blames ‘pro-Russian gangsters’.” In both of the two instances (first, with Hitler, and then with Obama), a “false-flag operation” was employed in order to confuse onlookers regarding which side the perpetrators of these fires and explosions actually were on. For example, in the Odessa event, the thugs wore armbands with anti-nazi insignia but were actually from the two Ukrainian nazi parties, Svoboda and Pravy Sektor. They used those armbands in order to confuse onlookers to think that the people who were setting fire to the anti-nazis were themselves anti-nazis. This was a very carefully planned operation, and you can see here and here, video documentation of the thugs who did it and who are still doing violent false-flag operations inside Ukraine: these people are Ukrainian nazis, not German ones, but they model themselves upon the German original, as you can see from their own insignia, which are shown in those videos, and which insignia vary little from the swastika and the SS symbol. Ukraine’s nazis are rather bold about modeling themselves upon Hitler’s Nazis — the original nazis.

False flag attacks have been carried out by countries all over the world … including Russia.

Was the murder of 300 innocent passengers when their plane was shot down today a false flag? If so, who did it?

CBS reports in an article entitled “‘Big Question’ Is Why Plane Was Flying Over War Zone”:

During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.

Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News….

“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”

***

The Danville resident said that, if air traffic control personnel were using both primary and secondary radar, it’s possible that an image of a missile could have been captured on screen, if in fact that is what took down the plane.

The Atlantic -in a report titled, “The FAA’s Notice Prohibiting Airline Flights Over Ukraine” – notes:

Did aviation authorities know that this was a dangerous area?

Yes, they most certainly did. Nearly three months ago, on the “Special Rules” section of its site, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration put out an order prohibiting American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine.

Zero Hedge asks:

Who diverted Flight MH-17 over restricted airspace

Why the videos look like they were faked

Who benefits?

Tony Cartalucci argues:

Russia’s strongest card thus far has been its restraint and NATO’s inability to implicate it in the chaos NATO itself started by backing armed Neo-Nazis during the “Euromaidan” of late 2013-early 2014. Russia surely would not throw that card away to pass along weapon systems to fighters that were already successfully downing Ukrainian military aircraft with man-portable missiles.

[...]

Read the full article at: infowars.com

[sigma6]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Seriously, who in their right mind would fly a plane load of almost 300 people over a war zone where it was common knowledge planes were getting blasted out of the sky?????
Is Malaysian Airlines really this stupid?????

If they built in remote control, they can control what the pilot is seeing on his gauges. I speculated this is what happened with the Korean flight. The pilots were very clear, that they didn't feel the readings were right. It might be harder to notice you are 300 miles off course. But the weirdest part is how the Malaysian President keeps insisting that he didn't see any problem flying over that area. What is up with that???? That is what I can an "insurance legal statement" i.e. when you start factoring in legal interpretations, it starts forcing everyone to lie essentially based on legal interpretations of fault, since it is all based on commerce, and compensation. Not justice so much.

I was waiting for someone to pick up on this....

It has been reported that the pilot felt "nervous" and changed his flight path, not to avoid a war zone known for shoot downs, but to fly right over the danger zone, makes no sense. It has been reported witnesses seen fighter jets escorting this jet TO THE WAR ZONE/TURKEY SHOOT. It has been reported that an air traffic controller said Ukraine shot the jet down.

Although we have no way of verifying this as truth or not, it has been reported regardless, part of the narrative.....a possibility.

The obvious-the media blitz......to give Putin a black eye and slow his advancement in to eastern Ukraine, to sway public opinion more to the negative about Russia/Putin. To further create the boogey man mentality towards Vlad Putin.

The "in your face" obvious that very few notice as the smoking gun..........Malaysia has lost 2 777's in a span of about 5 months. Out of all the carriers/brands, why Malaysia Air?????????????? How many times have we heard that the truth is always in plain sight?????? Hidden right in front of our eyes?????

Who on the worlds stage is being most affected by this MH17 event? Ukraine? Russia?....or perhaps Malaysia?????? Then toss in the MH370 event.

Isn't Malaysia anti west, anti Israel, anti just about everything the west wants? Who is trying to dig their fangs in to Malaysia? Could it be Goldman Sachs and Citi Group????? (yes, do the research).

While every one is hating on Putin, Malaysia is falling apart politically and economically. Razak (Malaysian Gov) is quickly losing his political influence and Malaysian's economy is being hit hard....not to mention Malaysia is still one of the hold outs towards the Pacific Trade Agreement if my information is correct.

Take the Russian-Ukraine equation out of it and look at the last two huge events in the media blitz, MH370 and MH17, and Malaysia is front and center..............IMO, Malaysia may be an even more important "trophy" than the Ukraine in the economic war we are witnessing. Perhaps the true distraction is the controllers keeping Ukraine and Putin front in center while they blackmail & steal Malaysia?

Sure the Ukraine is a huge development, but sheesh, what is happening to one of the worlds largest economies in one of the fastest growing (very important) strategic locations on this planet?

Also, John Kerry went to Malaysia a few months before MH370 went missing, then Obama went to Malaysia a few months before this current MH17 disaster. Perhaps Malaysia is not playing along and the noose is tightening around their neck?

Also Razak's daughter is a huge AIDS activist, (another personal message towards Razak with AIDS being a focal point of some passengers killed?).

MH370 and MH17 both being Malaysia jets a coincidence? Personally, I think not.....

What we are actually witnessing is an evil and dark quickening towards global control.

If that is the case they better start talking to China, or they will end up like the Japanese, which I am sorry to say, I agree with Fulford, they have been conditioned, threatened, brutalized and intimidated into being US lap dogs... that makes a lot of sense... Japan will be freeing itself come 2015, based on the 70 years of bankruptcy model, which I believe is what is going on, Hong Kong was given back to the Chinese. So the US Banking Cartel, may be looking for another access point into the Asian market, and it's not like the Middle East where they can just get everyone killing each other over who their favourite religious figure is... And they need to "buy in" now before their standard of living and security becomes to high, and makes it more costlier in the future...

it appears there are many angles at play... more then meets the eye. One thing we can be certain of... If the MSM wants us to believe that Ukrainian Separatists did it. At least we know for sure that can't possibly be true.
Simple and predictable as that.

update: after reading Pieczenik, it is Malaysia Gambling (Criminal Element) that is trying to get into the US Market, (which is a joke deal really, given the US is heading into recession, hyper inflation...)

[sigma6]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Why would it be fake? How could Russia or Eastern Ukraine fake a Spanish Air Traffic Controller? This is going to devastate the Western Propaganda, that and dead already smelling rotting bodies drained of blood (or dead and frozen for weeks...) Gee who likes to keep frozen bodies on storage for special occasions (Piecnenik stated this is what the US did with Bin Laden...) Never at loss for one more stage prop

(Piecnenik stated this is what the US did with Bin Laden...)

That reminds me, I was going to look into what Dr. Steve Pieczenik's ((INTEL)) was on MH17..?



Once Again, The Intelligence Theater Of The Absurd: Malaysian AF 17 “Shot Down With Missile” Over Ukraine As 70,000 Israeli Soldiers INVADE GAZA IN A NEW WAR!!

July 18, 2014

News Coverage Co-Opted by: American/Israeli/Russian/Dutch /Malaysian Intelligence Services to Divert Attention Away from Israeli Slaughter of Innocent Children, Women, Civilians In Gaza! The first and most horrific casualty in the Israeli War and Malaysian Airline Tragedy is the TRUTH! Remember that the truth is always the first victim of any war.



I must state categorically that I have never witnessed a more absurd attempt at diverting worldwide news attention away from an ACTUAL ILLEGAL INVASION by Israeli forces into another country (Gaza) than this directing of MEDIA ATTENTION to an “ALLEGED” DOWNING of yet another “MYSTERIOUS EXISTING/NON-EXISTING MALAYSIAN AIRLINE.” Yes, once again, like the ‘stand down’ in 9/11 and the sick makeshift drama of ‘Newtown’, we are now witnessed to the collective creative forces of the intelligence communities of the USA, Russia, Israel, Holland and of course, the pathetic country run by the Genting Gambling Empire: Malaysia to another narrative that RINGS FALSE.

In the world of intelligence there is one SACRED RULE nothing happens by accident! Like psychiatry, intelligence speaks most loudly in the interstices of SILENCE –what is not said and not what is in the verbal diarrhea of media, Tv pundits and histrionic articles about kids killed on board a plane. Remember: You are supposed to forget that 1800 innocent Palestinians have been wounded and close to 300 killed in a gratuitous slaughter of people in Gaza by Israeli forces. You are supposed to be distracted!

Now what do I mean?

When countries are afraid or unwilling to intercede in an imminent war, like that of Israel constantly fixated on destroying it’s own creation –HAMAS—then a new narrative must be created by the various countries to avoid their inherent responsibility to pre-empt this impending war. The narrative creators, various Intelligence services including the CIA, FSB, Mossad, Dutch intel and Malaysian ‘pimps’, have constructed a phantasmagorical plot that once again involves yet, another, “mysterious Malaysian Airline” like the former disappearing one that CNN obsessively described for over one month.



What is the evidence for my assertion?

[1] Once again, CNN in the person of the effete CIA operative Anderson Cooper brought on board for our viewing pleasure a new character whom I call “Major Mudd’, in real life a 25 year veteran of the CIA/FBI [which one are you? Or does the CIA admit they use the FBI as a ‘cover’?]. This Major Mudd explains the intricacies of HUMINT, ELITN, SIGINT, and even has the intercepted NSA recordings of “Russian Separatists BOASTING ABOUT THEIR ACHIEVEMENT WITH THEIR MISSILE STRIKE”.



How convenient!

[2] Then we have the dependable histrionic professional POW, SENATOR JOHN McCAIN blustering about ‘serious consequences‘ against the Russians.

Of course, no mention was ever made about ISRAEL’S DECLARATION OF WAR IN GAZA!! That’s irrelevant to the former ISRAELI BOUGHT presidential candidate.

How convenient!

[3] Then Six of the Major Articles in the formerly esteemed NYTimes and Washington Post are about the missile, airplane routes of Ukraine, even a touching story about a girl and her doll on the Malaysian Airline ! Yet only one minor article on the 70K man invasion into Gaza! That’s amazing editorial assessment. A possible airline downing takes precedence over an actual gritty dirty war in Gaza involving hundred of thousand innocent lives and 300 children already dead. Only the Wall Street Journal, usually pro-Israel, wrote in an extensive, detailed piece on the IDF INVASION.

[3] Yet the most revealing piece of intelligence deception was a STRATFOR REPORT by the founder and chairman of Stratfor [CIA CUT-OUT] GEORGE FRIEDMAN describing in the most obtuse, convoluted sophomoric logic ever created by a HUNGARIAN JEW how the Malaysian Airline downing and the Israel incursion reflected “geopolitical imperatives”.

Absolute and complete nonsense for which I pay $350 a year .

[4] Then to top of the Absurd narrative, we have WHO researchers on their collective way to an AIDS conference in Australia by way of Kuala Lampur, Malaysia who were killed in this sad ‘Malaysia tragedy’. BTW, Bill Clinton is the GUEST SPEAKER at the AIDS CONFERENCE.

How convenient!



I am shocked, Rick, ‘this is a Casino!’ here in Casablanca. I will round up the usual suspects and please give me my 40,000 Francs.

Now why would Russia, USA, Israel, Malaysia and Holland collaborate on this type of nonsensical narrative?
Because each country has something to gain from avoiding condemnation of Israel and helping to create another Malaysian fairy-tale.

▪ USA does not want to interfere with Israeli attempts to curb Hamas. American overtures for peace have failed and have embarrassed this administration. Also the USA owes Israel for their help in the 9/11 ‘stand down’ which killed 3000 plus innocent Americans at the World Trade Center.

▪ Russia, as I have mentioned in the previous blog, has very close relations with Israel and Lieberman [Israel Minister of Foreign Affairs] and they seek help from Israel with Syria, ISIS [Israel funds them]; and allows Russia to enter the Middle East, ass-backward.

▪ CIA, FSB, GRU and MOSSAD all like to work together at one or another time. Very convenient.

▪ Holland—Now here is the one country that has always hidden behind a Jewish Myth—The Anne Frank Story --nonsensical story used to cover up Holland’s persecution of the JEWS IN HOLLAND [93 % of all Dutch Jews were killed by the DUTCH not the Nazis]. The Anne Frank story was used to cover up WAR CRIME COLLABORATIONS BETWEEN HOLLAND AND THE NAZIS. This WWII travesty will be elaborated in another blog.

▪ Malaysia of all the East Asian countries that can ‘pimp and prostitute’ itself for money—no country can beat the MALAYSIANS. When I was DAS for EAST ASIA, I remember another medical doctor, Dr Mahatir, who was a brilliant, manipulative extractor of favors ‘granted and received’.



With respect to prostituting itself for money—Malaysia’s Genting Group wants favorable treatment in Miami, NY State, Pennsylvania in order to continue to develop MAJOR GAMBLING CASINOS all over the USA. BTW, the Genting Group in addition to running horse tracks, casinos and cruise-lines are notorious for being the drug runners of the world.

So I have presented to you, a background scenario which in my mind co-opts the nefarious narrative offered by the world wide media about some ‘real’ or ‘mythical’ Malaysian Airline which conveniently was shot down the same day that the Israelis invaded and slaughtered innocents in Gaza. Just like a skilled pick pocket or other criminal creates a “distraction” so you will not notice the REAL CRIME that is being committed. Israel knew from the beginning of the creation of Operation Dome that it would be in constant strategic tensions with the “terrorist” group it created –HAMAS—in order to test, refine and develop new weapons systems for the world-wide consortium of military industrial juggernauts eager to acquire the latest KILLING MACHINE.

What is a few hundred if not thousands of Palestinians, or Israelis or Jews, Muslims, Christians killed in the act of war? When war can give you the Miracle Weapons: drones, SDI, disease warfare, chemical weapons that command high profit margins! Greedy cowards and political elites worldwide will create all kinds of stories if it serves their purpose of economic, geopolitical and intelligence self-aggrandizement.

Hitler said it best when he decided to exterminate the Polish Jews, Slavs, Homosexuals, Gypsies, “Who remembers the Armenian Genocide of 1.2 million Armenian women, children all killed on the Death March from Turkey to Alleppo, Syria?“

Or maybe I should paraphrase Stalin, One death on a mysterious airplane is a tragedy but thousands of deaths in Gaza and Israeli are merely statistics!

Tragedy is sensational, worthy of headlines! Statistics are boring and not newsworthy. Historical amnesia and indifference are the greatest palliatives for national greed fed with nefarious deeds.

http://pieczenik.blogspot.com.au/

PS - As per usual Dr. Steve transforms the Debate into something many may not be able to grasp...

Quid Pro Quo...

(Problem-Reaction-Solution) Hidden in (PLAIN) view..!

I'm not saying his (Intel) is legit, but what I am saying the 'above' certainly should not be discarded...

Actually it explains alot more then most of the theories out there... I can't argue his logic... It's fixes all the little "nonsensicals" that are not adding up... it explains the "already dead bodies" ... why Israel was allowed to get away with hijacking the flight MH370, (Malaysia's price of "entry" into the "game") It explains why no one (even the Russians) are paying any attention to the Spanish Air Traffic Controller... or the Uke Fighters tailing the plane... Why it was off 300 miles and below the 35,000 at 33,000, .... why the Malaysian President is defending the flight path... By dumping a plane load of dead bodies in Eastern Ukraine gives the Easterners (Little Brother) something to do (and think about) (i.e. relax... we're going to be splitting Ukraine, hold on to your horses... here have some dead bodies... there... happy?) It explains the why Christine Lagarde hinted at July 20th (off by a couple days...) because it was all staged in advance... Why no one is paying attention to Israel killing Palestinians... Why Putin's Plane was 40 minutes behind... (it was just to add to the mix and put more fuel into a false speculative trails that would lead no where...

I have to say this, I believed his Bin Laden interpretation was spot on... and I think this make more sense over all because it ACTUALLY DOES cover the big picture. I would add, now you know why they used to pay this guy the big bucks, he has righteously made us all look like amateurs LOLOL....

update: And the best part is, the Eastern Ukrainians are removing the bodies, and delivering them to an "unknown" destination, probably Russia, (who will ship them back to Israel...) And they have the perfect excuse why they will "never know" or "agree" on whatever the results on the bodies, you watch... all the "bloodless already dead bodies" will disappear... All this fits in his analysis... WOW!!!

There was one thing that caught my attention.... did you notice the "logo" on the Amsterdam passports? Did you catch that emblem, because it really caught my attention... DOUBLE HEADED EAGLE (MASONIC)

And it makes them all look so statesmen like and diplomatic .... LOLOLOL!!!

update: Yes I concur... World Federation Wrestling Antics would better describe more accurately what we are watching, everyone gets to latch onto their favourite heroes... makes perfect sense... and I'm NOT being facetious here either... this makes sense...

And I think it is possible to project who some of the losers are going to be, who is going to be left holding the bag... Poroshenko and his Neo Nazi Party will be at the mercy of the a very disenfranchised Ukraine when all this is over and China will step in and help them out (i.e. lend them money) to do what they can only do, grow wheat for the rest of the world) Except they will be even poorer and more dependent, like the South American Countries/Companies are to the US... ouch...
And of course the Palestinians are taking up the wazoo right now... lambs to the slaughter... Even France stepped in and insisted they were NOT allowed to Parade (for health and safety reasons)... Way to go France! Now tha's teamwork!

update: Hell this is better then Ocean's 11,12, and 13 all rolled into one. It's like they have all agreed ahead of time who gets what and how they are going to sort themselves out in preparation for the coming global crash, currency reset, and new standard of living distribution which is going to result inevitably... (oh my God!)

Even Obama is putting on this amazing tough show right now, showing us being gay doesn't mean you're necessarily a wussy. Stand proud America!... LOL!

[Cidersomerset]

What Did US Spy Satellites See in Ukraine?

new Monday 21st July 2014 at 05:15 By david-icke





‘In the heat of the U.S. media’s latest war hysteria – rushing to pin blame for
the crash of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet on Russia’s President Vladimir
Putin – there is the same absence of professional skepticism that has marked
similar stampedes on Iraq, Syria and elsewhere – with key questions not being
asked or answered.

The dog-not-barking question on the catastrophe over Ukraine is: what did the
U.S. surveillance satellite imagery show? It’s hard to believe that – with the
attention that U.S. intelligence has concentrated on eastern Ukraine for the
past half year that the alleged trucking of several large Buk anti-aircraft
missile systems from Russia to Ukraine and then back to Russia didn’t show
up somewhere.’

Read more: What Did US Spy Satellites See in Ukraine?


http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20...ee-in-ukraine/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[sigma6]

Read the Pieczenik piece I believe it answers that too... It really is the only answer that works on all levels, it truly explains the big picture.

I have to admit this thing was eating me inside out.... but as soon as I read that... my mind snapped back into perspective... all those loose ends were overwhelming my logic circuits... then it suddenly ceased... I felt calm... satisfied, his model is robust, I'm envious, at the depths it reaches and complexity is solves. I see many little pieces falling into place.

update: And this fits V's interpretation... and sure enough, look at this...

Time For Ukraine To Divide
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/tim...720-zv19c.html

Ukraine, as we know it, is dead. The country is irrevocably broken into two by ethnicity, language, geography and now blood. The sooner the people of Ukraine accept this, and the European Community, the Russians and the Americans accept this, the sooner the nation can divide into its two natural parts and move on.

[Zamolxe]

I thought that it was because of logical thinking and practicing discernment the truth movement guys opened their eyes to the cabal that's running us like slaves.
The way some of the users here are still defending this DHABOO7 guy is strikingly similiar to the way CNN or FOX News viewers would defend those networks when confronted.
I believed that the "modus operandi" here was 'question everything' and 'watch out for liars that follow their own purpose'.

I stand behind my assumption that DHABOO7 is full of BS and particularly this video is nonsense. I'm not talking about any of his other videos. Maybe he's also discussed about other stuff that does not need embelishment like the FED, banking cartels, NWO, etc etc.

The thing is that the first time I saw his videos was at the time of comet ISON, and I actually watched 3 of his reports about it when I realized he was just trying to get viewers.
Every report was something like: "This is just in!! Incredible folks!! We're now 100% sure that... <<insert any sensationalist BS>>" Then the next report would just forget all about the last 100% facts and bring totally oposite 100% facts...

[kirolak]

Apparently the area was known to be dangerous, but it was more fuel efficient to fly over the Ukraine, the height of the plane was considered to be "safe"; but who will ever "really" know. . . ?

[Omni]

A good way to tell what was orchestrated is by what push in agenda happens shortly after a certain event. So what agenda does this have being pushed after such a thing? I have heard to distract from Gaza. But there would be more IMO. I haven't read a ton regarding this so please excuse my ignorance if people have already said such things..

[Zamolxe]

Some of you users keep pointing out the passports...

This is actually getting really hard to comprehend.

Are you actually implying that there was no "real plane" and "real passangers or relatives" -- or that actually there was a real plane and it was switched, afterwards the passports were planted to make us believe it was the actual real plane that crashed?

Why would the cabal need to go totally over their heads to:

- somehow switch the plane - this implies masking the radar signature of the real and dummy plane; take the real plane somewhere else; if the plane was switched, why not plant the passports in the fake plane instead of planting them at the crash site?

- fill the dummy plane with bodies that could be easily analyzed

- set up hundreds and hundreds of would be relatives in Holland, US, Australia, Malaysia, etc... so that when they receive the remains, not disclose that it's not the real passengers. - and what about the relatives of the real missing people? will they not be asked to identify the remains?

- get in the rebel controlled area to plant passports and tons of debree to make us believe this was the actual plane that took off from Holland

I could go on but maybe I made my point...

Why would they do all this when the cabal could have actually shot down the plane? Doesn't it seem unpractical?

I have already posted photos with intact pieces of luggage or almost intact pieces of fuselage where you can clearly see undamaged objects that were inside the plane.
So, either they were planted, and we'll need answers to the questions above, or the luggage fell from the plane and could have easily contained the passports.
Another user also said that it's impossible, the passports should have been in their hands... I can't imagine who still holds their passport in their hand 3 hours after takeoff - you put it in the carry-on luggage... and actually if it was in their hands and the plane blew apart, shouldn't it fall to the ground really gently? It's a piece of paper...

Also, you said that they can't be found in a pile on the ground... I don't believe the pro-russian rebels that took pictures of the pile of passports on the ground found them like that (it would be really stupid for the billion dolar CIA propagandists to say: oh look, a pile of passports on the ground).
Again, the debree fell in a 15km wide area, they probably combed the zone and centralized everything where their commander was, that;s why pieces of luggage appear staked up in some photos... they went through the luggage to find passports and determine who was on board, they actually thought the plane could be carrying ukrainian spies or something. Doesn't this sound more plausible? Bring every piece of luggage found in the area to the commander and afterwards look for passports to see what plane this was that just crashed in your backyard and who was on it?