Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Daphne]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D1lU8JuJWtM

This just was uploaded. Only 17 views. Don't know if it's real or not.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Daphne (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D1lU8JuJWtM

This just was uploaded. Only 17 views. Don't know if it's real or not.

It's an old clip, not MH17....

[Daphne]

ok, thanks silentfeathers

[Selene]

Posted by airaspect
Why the assumption all those passports were in the same luggage ?

You've got this backwards, airaspect. GoodeTXSG said that all those passports could have remained pristine if and only if they had been bundled carefully in the center of a luggage case full of clothing - in other words, an impossible condition, an invalid assumption....

Posted by GoodeTXSG
For all of the Airline Tickets and Passports to be in mint condition (I do not know of any European's who have Passports in mint condition) and all stacked neatly in one place and were on the aircraft they would have all had to have been inside the same container and packed in a way that the impact didn't crush the corners etc...

I have been at the crash sites of more than a few types of craft both shot down, Engineer or Maintenance Errors, and Weather/Pilot Errors. For items to hit the ground at terminal velocity (Or greater, in this case the plane "Fell") and have no signs of sudden impact damage from rolling is rare unless individually packed in the middle of each passenger's suit case with clothes around them (But we all know you travel w/Passport in hand).

Cheers,

Selene

[Cidersomerset]

A presentation to the press of the situation as seen by the Russian Defence force.
It is interesting and they ask questions of Kiev and the US as they go along.
The interpretor has a strong accent and some words are hard to hear. Near
the end they talk about a US spy ? ( could not understand ) some sort of
experimental space surveillance devise to detect missile launches amongst
other things.

They confirm that Russia has not supplied, the rebels with any anti Aircraft
missile systems, and shows satalitte pictures of Ukrainian missile systems
sites before and after the crash. Also says the film of the missiles on the
lorry and tlr said to be going to Russia , is in fact in the Ukraine and points
out a sign in the picture, and then goes on to ask questions about it.
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Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs

Published on 21 Jul 2014


The Russian Defense Ministry holds a press conference on the details of MH17 crash in
eastern Ukraine. Defense Ministry reports that on the day of the catastrophe, a Ukrainian
SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the Boeing 777. Calling for Kiev to explain why
the fighter jet was tracking the airplane.

[jackovesk]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Wrap your head around this MSM Story...

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MH17 conspiracy theories: What happened to downed Malaysia Airlines plane?



July 21, 2014

WHENEVER there is a tragedy on such a scale as the downed Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane, there are bound to be conspiracy theories that follow as the world tries to understand and deal with the tragedy.

4. The jet wasn’t actually shot down

A conspiracy blogger who’s popular on YouTube called DAHB0077 proposed that the plane was actually diverted into the area where it was blown up by explosives from onboard so it could appear to have been shot down. This could then be an excuse for an invasion.

He claims his suspicion was born from footage showing the plane exploding on the ground instead of in the air, but experts say this is actually possible upon the event of a mile-high missile strike.



The moments after MH17 was shot out of the sky over the Ukraine. Source: Supplied

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1226995523375

Here is DAHB0077's latest reply to the Washington post (Hit-Piece)



Dahboo, fresh off of his appearance in a Washington Post Story (Before It’s News is ‘honored’ to have been called ‘unabashedly unhinged’ in the same story!), breaks down how we can tell beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Kiev who set up this failed false flag.

DAHB0077 Quote: "So your telling me that somebody made a video of this plane crashing the day before it crashed, ah ha..?"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-c__Fm5liCo

Link to his 1st video...
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-...t-2464194.html

[jerry]

The smoking gun Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KSpeo5RcQQo

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-warplanes-mh1

[KiwiElf]

Obama is about to make a live address on CNN re the situation (but there seems to be a very long hold up and they're flicking between stories left, right & centre - I won't hold my breath!! ), NZ Time 03:12 am, 22-JUL-2014

[KiwiElf]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Daphne (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D1lU8JuJWtM

This just was uploaded. Only 17 views. Don't know if it's real or not.

It's an old clip, not MH17....

Ummm concurred - sorry Daphne - that is a Boeing 747 freighter (not 777) that stalled and crashed on takeoff ages ago

[jerry]

Is this the smoking gun? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-warplanes-mh1

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by airaspect (here)

Posted by ktlight (here)

Passports are held by the owner, usually in a safe place on the person.

They should be, but not always are.

I am sorry, when did they roll back Airline Security 40 years?

Have you ever traveled Internationally from a Western Country US, EU etc country to a non EU country (Eastern Europe, Asia, South America, Africa, Middle East Etc...) and made it through security of both countries (W/out scanning your passport in/out) and after landing in the non Western Country make it through security and allowed to the baggage pick up area (Where there is usually a second screening, some times random opening of your suit case after you have checked into the Country) to open up the checked baggage (Crazy Security Risk!) and open the little lock and dig through your contents and pull out your passport to then bring back to the gate be scanned, stamped and signed?

Do you have any idea of MA's security upon arrival (Especially post Flight 300)? This is the kind of statement I was referring too. If you land in MA you better have have your boarding Pass, Luggage Claim and Passport in hand and out of your carry on when you disembark and ready to present.

There is no point is trying to discuss this further as it has obviously become a reactionary and obstinate debate and not a conversation.

[airaspect]

Posted by Selene (here)

Posted by airaspect
Why the assumption all those passports were in the same luggage ?

You've got this backwards, airaspect. GoodeTXSG said that all those passports could have remained pristine if and only if they had been bundled carefully in the center of a luggage case full of clothing - in other words, an impossible condition, an invalid assumption....

Posted by GoodeTXSG
For all of the Airline Tickets and Passports to be in mint condition (I do not know of any European's who have Passports in mint condition) and all stacked neatly in one place and were on the aircraft they would have all had to have been inside the same container and packed in a way that the impact didn't crush the corners etc...

I have been at the crash sites of more than a few types of craft both shot down, Engineer or Maintenance Errors, and Weather/Pilot Errors. For items to hit the ground at terminal velocity (Or greater, in this case the plane "Fell") and have no signs of sudden impact damage from rolling is rare unless individually packed in the middle of each passenger's suit case with clothes around them (But we all know you travel w/Passport in hand).

Cheers,

Selene

So unless it's individually packed, is it impossible, or is it rare for items not to get damaged ? But let's not pick on words, as I'm not going to pretend i have a good idea what condition to expect from a passport after a 10 km fall. My best guess is most would be damaged, but some might be not.

I do know though that jumping to conclusion about a false flag based on that doubt is highly premature.

[jackovesk]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
A presentation to the press of the situation as seen by the Russian Defence force.
It is interesting and they ask questions of Kiev and the US as they go along.
The interpretor has a strong accent and some words are hard to hear. Near
the end they talk about a US spy ? ( could not understand ) some sort of
experimental space surveillance devise to detect missile launches amongst
other thing.

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Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs

Published on 21 Jul 2014


The Russian Defense Ministry holds a press conference on the details of MH17 crash in
eastern Ukraine. Defense Ministry reports that on the day of the catastrophe, a Ukrainian
SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the Boeing 777. Calling for Kiev to explain why
the fighter jet was tracking the airplane.

MUST WATCH if you've been following this Thread...

WoW...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=leX9GLacmUU

[airaspect]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)

Posted by airaspect (here)

Posted by ktlight (here)

Passports are held by the owner, usually in a safe place on the person.

They should be, but not always are.

I am sorry, when did they roll back Airline Security 40 years?

Have you ever traveled Internationally from a Western Country US, EU etc country to a non EU country (Eastern Europe, Asia, South America, Africa, Middle East Etc...) and made it through security of both countries (W/out scanning your passport in/out) and after landing in the non Western Country make it through security and allowed to the baggage pick up area (Where there is usually a second screening, some times random opening of your suit case after you have checked into the Country) to open up the checked baggage (Crazy Security Risk!) and open the little lock and dig through your contents and pull out your passport to then bring back to the gate be scanned, stamped and signed?

Do you have any idea of MA's security upon arrival (Especially post Flight 300)? This is the kind of statement I was referring too. If you land in MA you better have have your boarding Pass, Luggage Claim and Passport in hand and out of your carry on when you disembark and ready to present.

There is no point is trying to discuss this further as it has obviously become a reactionary and obstinate debate and not a conversation.

I did not imply the passport will be in the main luggage, just that it does not have to be on the person at all times. But now that You mention it, after such a fall the documents would probably not be in the owners pockets any more, even if that's where they were when the person started falling.

[Cidersomerset]

Obama is about to make a live address on CNN re the situation (but there seems to be a very long hold up and they're flicking between stories left, right & centre - I won't hold my breath!! ), NZ Time 03:12 am, 22-JUL-2014

probably his advisors have been watching the RT vid above and changing the script.....

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The Neocons ‘Grand Plan’ and Obama’s Blundering Foreign Policy: ‘An Actor Playing
the Role of a President’?

Saturday 19th July 2014 at 04:24 By david-icke



http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-neo...sident/5390624

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"Any advise Mr.Secretary ?? "......


"Ah Ah Ah ! ...Bloody Ruskies ....NO ! "



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"You amateurs I showed you how it is really done in Hollywood . No the Oval Office "



President Reagan's Speech on the Soviet Attack on a Korean Airliner, September 5, 1983

[GoodETxSG]

Ummm, so looking up at the posts... Where you implying the passports were when they were not always kept with a passenger?

And that is the example of hunting and pecking of info from a thread ignoring the rest of the data for the sake of debate (What ever the title/topic of the threat is) that I pointed out in Post #37 of this Thread, Link to post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post855967

Time to jump to another thread and find some reason...

This one is going...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Epic thread, heartbreaking situation -- hard to see how any of the little people are going to come out winners from this one.

LOTS of people talking about this story... even non-PA folks haha.

I would write more but I have to got to a meeting this am.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
A presentation to the press of the situation as seen by the Russian Defence force.
It is interesting and they ask questions of Kiev and the US as they go along.
The interpretor has a strong accent and some words are hard to hear. Near
the end they talk about a US spy ? ( could not understand ) some sort of
experimental space surveillance devise to detect missile launches amongst
other thing.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs

Published on 21 Jul 2014


The Russian Defense Ministry holds a press conference on the details of MH17 crash in
eastern Ukraine. Defense Ministry reports that on the day of the catastrophe, a Ukrainian
SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the Boeing 777. Calling for Kiev to explain why
the fighter jet was tracking the airplane.

MUST WATCH if you've been following this Thread...

I agree, A MUST WATCH! this is a HUGE Russian response and challenge to the current narrative. I bet the west will do all it can to keep this Russian response/challenge off their main MSM channels.

Although, it is on Reuters already....

UPDATE 2-Russia challenges accusations that Ukraine rebels shot down airliner

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs

Posted by jerry (here)
Is this the smoking gun? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-warplanes-mh1

Same report ... of Russia's evidence and questions for the Ukraine government, via Zerohedge.

If there are global controllers behind all this, then they have apparently determined to have Russia be the credible one these days, and the US be the propaganda spewing liar and tyrant.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Although, it is on Reuters already....

UPDATE 2-Russia challenges accusations that Ukraine rebels shot down airliner

I like the closing words of this Reuters report:

Kiev later said it stood by its accusations.

"There is evidence that the missile which struck the plane was fired by terrorists, who received arms and specialists from the Russian Federation," said Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine's Security Council.

Yes, Mr Lysenko, I am sure there is such evidence, and I am sure your government knows full well that there is such evidence.

They planted it .