Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Cidersomerset]

The establishment is getting a bit desperate IMO. Publically announcing that it really doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, that Putin is to be blamed regardless just because of whats going on in Ukraine/Crimea is very reckless and telling.

I've started watching a interview that Murray put up on the Blackmail thread
and he is talking about how Hoover must have been behind the Kennedy
assassination and how the FBI gave terrorist money to blow up world
trade center in 1993, that's as far a I've got...lol, keep getting interrupted.
But its all the same thing pick a 'patsy' or Manchurian candidate and like
a dog with a bone stick to it like glue.....

It was not me , it was him......



Re: High-Level NSA Whistleblower Says Blackmail Is a Huge

Good topic to discuss, thanks Cider. I would recommenced this interview with Neil
Galagher who's fascinating story about his battle with Hoover is a good peek behind
the curtain.

Quote Neil Gallagher is the only man alive who not only was a close personal friend
of John F. Kennedy, but fought the cartel associated with the assassinations of JFK,
RFK, and MLK, as a member of Congress. Miraculously, he was able to continue
fighting, unlike others who joined him in the struggle. Even more miraculous, he is
still alive today to tell the tale. Here he offers his personal insights into how the
shadow government took over, following the assassination of JFK.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=byul-xnPFCM

At 17 minutes, 10 seconds: FBI knew everything about everybody due to their extensive illegal spying, but claimed to know nothing about the JFK Assassination.

At 32 minutes: The Privacy Committee and J. Edgar Hoover.

At 41 minutes: Some success for the Privacy Committee, passage of the Freedom
of Information Act.

At 52 minutes: USG spying goes into overdrive.

At 56 minutes: Roy Cohn, J. Edgar’s blackmail messenger and how J. Edgar Hoover manipulated and corrupted Congress.

At 104 minutes: All Congressional offices bugged by the FBI for Hoover so
Congresspersons could be extorted and controlled.

At 107: Typical Hoover threats to Congresspersons and usurpation of elected officials.

At 109: Hoover demands that Congressman Gallagher resigns or else a fake story
will be planted to smear him.

At 117: The CIA goes completely criminal in its secret experimental abuses of citizens with no informed consent.

At 122: Congressman Gallagher describes his knowledge of Congressman Hale
Boggs and what happened to him.

At 126: The Privacy Committee is finally shut down. This is the last real attempt by
Congress to prevent out of control FBI and Intel spying

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McCain has definite issues with KGB Putin........Bush Snr was head of the CIA so he
may have a point ..LOL










China and Russia seal power pact


BRICS national leaders in recent years have been, from left, Brazil's President
Dilma Rousseff, Russia's President Vladimir Putin, India's Prime Minister ...





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Why do you think I'm trying to start a war , it worked for the Bush's , and after
9/11, it made everyone forget every thing except 'Terrorist's'....



Sorry I got a bit carried away...LOL

[jackovesk]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
"WATCH-OUT" for this Man..!!!

Arseniy Yatsenyuk economist and lawyer who is the interim Prime Minister of Ukraine..!

The 'Puppet' Speaks...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xy1wrA40Uuc

PS - IMHO this man epitomizes 'Cowardess' and has a "Massive Yellow-Streak' running throughout his Soul..!!!

Complicit to say the least..!!!







PSS - Watch out for that Bus Arseniy...

Not long to go know Arseniy...

I must say, it wasn't a pleasant experience getting to know you but when your looking (UP) from your deathly hollows after your demise...Don't say you didn't see it coming..!!!

In life taking 'Major Risks' like that due to your sheer ((Arrogance & GREED)) was a game many have tried and failed and paid the ultimate price succumbing to their 'Puppet-Masters'...

Adios Amigo...

[Hervé]

On the other side of the coin:

OSCE says dozens of civilians killed, over 100 injured in Luhansk shelling - while Kiev junta denies any wrongdoing

RIA Novosti
Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:10 CDT

© RIA Novosti. Valery Melnikov, Luhansk after shelling

Dozens of civilians were killed and more than a hundred others injured last week in a massive shelling of Luhansk, a city in eastern Ukraine, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) said Monday.

The OSCE said citing the local emergency services that the shelling occurred on July 18-19.

Members of the Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) in Ukraine went to downtown Luhansk, where they observed a large crater beside a bus stop.

"Shattered windows and shrapnel fragments in the walls of two nearby six-storey buildings were seen, and blood and body parts along the pavement and road," the OSCE said.

The monitors also saw "five houses reduced to rubble on the outskirts of the city" and "the remains of a rocket of an indeterminable type at the scene."

Reports on the number of victims in Luhansk attack vary, the OSCE said.

The head of the local emergency services department in Luhansk city said 20 people were killed and 150 others injured in Luhansk city on July 17-18. The head of the city morgue told the mission that 29 people, including five women, were killed on July 18-19.

"All but one were civilians," the OSCE said.

The head of the Ukrainian government's security operation in Luhansk province has earlier denied the country's military involvement in the shelling, the OSCE statement said.

On Sunday, the city council press office said a total of 30 people were wounded over the past 24 hours in firefights in and around the city of Luhansk.

Luhansk has become a major hotspot in the clashes between rivals following independence referendums in May.

In mid-April, Kiev authorities started a special military operation in the east to suppress the pro-independence movement. Moscow has repeatedly called on Kiev to stop the bloodshed and seek a peaceful resolution through nationwide dialogue.

SOTT Comment:

The similarity with Israel is astounding: the declaration of all inhabitants of an area to be terrorists, to the brutal bombing of civilians with mass casualties followed by a denial of any wrongdoing. See the similarity?

This pattern reveals the hand of who has been aiding the fascists all along.

[jackovesk]

Just throwing a (Curve-Ball) for discussion into this Thread from our infamous friend Benjamin Fulford...

“Bush Jr., Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior nazionists to be arrested soon”

2014/07/21

The arrest of nazionist mass murderers like George Bush Jr. and Benjamin Netanyahu and their fellow cabalists is imminent, according to Mossad and other sources. These criminals and their fellow top cabalists have already been banned from traveling to over 180 countries and soon will be banned from traveling outside of their jail cells, the sources said.

The downing of remote controlled Israeli owned so-called “Malaysian Airlines flight MH17,” filled with dead and decomposing bodies, was one dirty trick too many for the nazionists and a turning point against them has now been reached within the world’s secret agencies and governments, according to multiple sources.

What we first saw in Syria were are now seeing in the Ukraine; a failed attempt to use a manufactured incident to start a war. The nazionists created “Sarin gas attacks on civilians” in Syria and now “dead HIV scientists” in the Ukraine and used it to try to fool the US military into attacking. Only this time in the Ukraine, even more so than was the case with Syria, nobody is taking the bait.

We can see this in the nazionist controlled corporate propaganda media “attack Russia” PR campaign. For example, UK nazionist puppet Prime Minister David Cameron has asked German PM Angela Merkel and French President Francois to press for more sanctions against Russia’s Vladimir Putin but this is just a PR stunt according to MI5 sources. Cameron had to do that because he was being blackmailed by a nazionist media baron with threats to publicize his cocaine habit and his wife’s heroin addiction, the sources continued.

In any case, in the past such a public campaign by nazionist puppet leaders and the corporate propaganda media was used to condition the masses to accept an up-coming military event. Now though, nobody is buying it. No army is ready to do their bidding and even most the hired goons have stopped listening to them.

Furthemore, the internet and social media part of the nazionist campaign to vilify Russia “has been a total wipeout,” say sources in MI5 and other agencies. For example: the U-Tube presented as proof of rebel and Russian cooperation was shown to have date stamps from before the shootdown, the tweets from “a Spanish air traffic controller in Ukraine” actually came from London , the internet Putin assassination angle was fake ( Putin is too smart to overfly Ukraine) and the film being shown of the plane being shot down was from the daytime even though the plane was supposed to have been shot down at night. They are clearly losing the plot.

This entire “Malaysian plane” incident is being managed out of the State Department and by the Rand corporation, according to US based CIA sources.

Now Germany and France are so disgusted by the nazionist stunts being run out of Washington D.C. and Tel Aviv, they have decided to join the BRICS alliance, according to CIA sources in Europe. The Germans and French are systematically purging their governments of nazionist agents.

And for good reason. The fake Malaysian plane filled with bodies from the morgue stunt was the nazionist response to the announcement last week by the BRICS nations they had set up a development bank and a financial stabilization fund as a way to by-pass the cabal controlled World Bank and IMF. Think about it, here we have a group supported by over 188 nations announcing a plan to peacefully build economic infrastructure and the US and Israeli nazionists puppet governments react by shooting down a plane. Huh?

The other reactions were to brutalize the Gaza strip and keep pumping up a fake immigrant crisis in the US.

Furthermore, the WDS was also sent a whole new series of threats by these nazionists thugs last week. According to the latest threats “World War 3 has started,” the “US armed forces are ready to invade Russia,” etc. Do not believe it for a minute. As mentioned before, the armed forces of Russia, China, the United States and elsewhere have already come to an agreement to never let themselves be fooled into starting another world war.

Also, the campaign to rebrand the Muslim Brotherhood as ISIS is falling apart as the ever more ridiculous pronouncements coming out of ISIS via Jerusalem are becoming a joke. Check out this link for an example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-warriors.html

What we are witnessing is clearly the end game for the nazionists. Let us recap some of the big changes that have taken place in the campaign to oust these psychopathic killers from the top levels of world power. The Queen of the Netherlands plus the Kings of Spain and Belgium have resigned, the top Warburg family member committed suicide, Richard Rockefeller died, Senator J. Rockefeller resigned, pope malevolent resigned, 200 nazi US military officers have been fired, former French President Sarkozy was arrested and now, last week 660 pedophiles were arrested in the UK. The Vatican has also fired over 400 pedophiles and is continuing a major purge of the Catholic church. The Vatican bank, which was used by the cabal to bribe world leaders, has shut down over 3000 corrupt accounts.

We also received an e-mail last week from a source in a major charitable foundation who said “Bush Sr. passed away on Friday apparently from food poisoning, I hear bad fish. This has been confirmed via his personal security. It should hit the news sometime this week.” However, subsequently he was trotted out for a photograph in a local newspaper near his family’s estate in Maine.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articl...NEWS-140719848

In the picture nazionist Fuhrer Bush Sr. appears to be resorting to his old trick of acting senile, which he is not. Bush is not going to avoid arrest by pretending to be a poor senile old man; he is one of history’s worst mass murderers and will face justice, you can count on it.

Millie Rennie, who at 105 has been recognized as Maine's oldest resident, meets former President George H.W. Bush, a longtime wish, at his family compound on Walker's Point in Kennebunkport Tuesday.

The slow unraveling of the nazionist stealth takeover of the United States will continue its now unstoppable path. The Zionist brainwashed slave colony known as Israel will also be freed. If the so-called Jews (the word did not exist until the 19th century) study the history of Babylon they will found out that circumcision was historically something that was done to the males of defeated slave races. The Europeans who have been brainwashed into thinking they came from ancient Judea will be set free. The world as a whole is well along in the process of being freed from Babylonian debt slavery.

There is expected to be a lot going on this autumn after a summer lull. Hopefully, if we all push for it, we will finally have or fall of the Berlin wall, or fall of the Babylon Fed Ziggurat, type of event in the US then.

Source:

http://benjaminfulford.net/2014/07/2...arrested-soon/

PS - Apologies in advance for post, however this excellent Thread deserves an open discussion on anything to do with MH17...

As per usual some common-sense intel and a couple of contradictions, your own 'Discernment' required...

[sigma6]

haha jacko you beat me to it, I have that text in my copy memory as we speak... LOL...

[SilentFeathers]

It's pretty sad we have to look towards Fulford to make some sense out of the lies MSM is spewing out. Although I think Fulford is a bit nuts and somewhat narcissistic and tosses in his own fantasy versions often, he is making more sense in many ways than what the establishment is spewing out.

[Selene]

Cockpit of MH 17 found sawed in half at crash site

From USAToday.com:

HRABOVE, Ukraine -- International monitors who have finally gained full access to the Malaysia Airlines crash site in eastern Ukraine said Tuesday the Boeing 777's cockpit inexplicably had been sawed in half while under the control of Russian-backed separates.

The monitors said they are not sure why the major piece of evidence from the downed plane was tampered with.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ssia/12981325/

However: (from the same story)

After a four-day standoff, international teams were allowed into the crash site to look for more bodies and to gather evidence......

"It has been a different group of separatists every day, it is very difficult to actually get any insight as to which battalion or which group they belong to," Bociurkiw said.

Exactly. So who, really, did the hacking? The onus will remain on investigators to prove they were truly Russian separatists and not a black ops hit team in disguise, seems to me.

Cheers,

Selene

[Cidersomerset]

She has not got a clue and talking....'B-----k's.....Just believe me and Mr.Kerry...

She has not seen the Russian statement, and is backing claims made by Kiev
on Social media , and keeps saying the missile was fired by the Rebels,
and can not respond logically about the Russian presentation however hard
the reporter tries to get to the point. That Russia is asking questions that
contradict Ukrainian and Western versions.

She should have said..." I don't Know"...instead of all the waffle she came out with !

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'Anything other than social media?' State Dept's MH17 evidence secret

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oQRvINebeok

Published on 22 Jul 2014


State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf described Russia's statements on MH17
plane crash as "misinformation" - but when reporters asked her whether Washington would
be releasing their intelligence and satellite data, Harf only replied "may be." So far the US
has been backing its statements by social media and "common sense."

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'All eyes on Putin': prejudice, speculation & more around MH17 investigation

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=C_zrI8KKqrk

Published on 22 Jul 2014


While the investigation of MH17 crash gets underway to determine what exactly
happened, Western media and politicians are doing everything they can to put the
blame for MH17 crash on Russia. RT's Gayane Chichakyan reports.

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
[...]
I wonder how many people have really caught this? It's as if McCain is in some "subliminal" way exposing that it may of been a Ukraine fighter that shot it down, but that really doesn't matter....

If their monitoring indicates that 80-85% are following the likes of McCain and MSM, then they won't give a hoot of what the remainder is clamoring since they got those 80-85% flowing their emotional energy -- planet wide -- in their direction; the one intended to empower them.

Remember?

It's all a battle for our (humanity's majority) minds!

It's time for the voice of real truth (not the "acceptable" truth they promote) to speak louder than theirs!

Very well put ...

People are afraid that a war might erupt from all of this ... but it already erupted,
except that it's not a 'bullet' war but a media war which is much more effective
nowadays.

If parties start yapping that they have 'evidence' but then stall a few days they
might still need some time doctoring their material ...

And they also often rely on the short term memory of the public. The west may
accuse Putin of supporting the separatists but why are there separatists to begin
with? Who supported an undemocratic fascist takeover?

Let's not give those yapping politicians too much attention ... that's what they
need. I think Amzer Zo's pictures of the impacted plane parts were much more
useful (provided the pictures are genuine of course).

[Roisin]

Posted by Selene (here)
Cockpit of MH 17 found sawed in half at crash site

From USAToday.com:

HRABOVE, Ukraine -- International monitors who have finally gained full access to the Malaysia Airlines crash site in eastern Ukraine said Tuesday the Boeing 777's cockpit inexplicably had been sawed in half while under the control of Russian-backed separates.

The monitors said they are not sure why the major piece of evidence from the downed plane was tampered with.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ssia/12981325/

However: (from the same story)

After a four-day standoff, international teams were allowed into the crash site to look for more bodies and to gather evidence......

"It has been a different group of separatists every day, it is very difficult to actually get any insight as to which battalion or which group they belong to," Bociurkiw said.

Exactly. So who, really, did the hacking? The onus will remain on investigators to prove they were truly Russian separatists and not a black ops hit team in disguise, seems to me.

Cheers,

Selene

On the other hand, maybe the Separatists sawed that cockpit in half to get to a black box before any Ukrainians or the West got to them instead. This way they would be able to personally hand over those black boxes to the Malaysian authorities via the media. For obvious reasons, it was important for the world to see them handing over those untampered with boxes to those Malaysian authorities.

[Cidersomerset]

22 July 2014 Last updated at 18:44

MH17 plane crash: UK experts to retrieve flight data Previous Latest



MH17 black box MH17's black box flight recorders have been handed over by pro-
Russian rebels

British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed
flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

This follows a request by authorities in the Netherlands, where the Malaysia Airlines
plane flew from before crashing in Ukraine.

The experts, based at Farnborough, will download data from the flight recorders
for "international analysis".

Some 298 people, including 10 Britons, were killed in the crash.

Mr Cameron tweeted: "We've agreed Dutch request for air accident investigators at
Farnborough to retrieve data from MH17 black boxes for international analysis."

Downing Street said information retrieved would be sent on to a Dutch and
Ukrainian team for analysis.

The announcement comes after Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond joined other EU
ministers in Brussels for talks about the shooting down of the Boeing 777-200 airliner in eastern Ukraine last Thursday.

Special room

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) confirmed it would be working on the
flight recorders which have been handed over by pro-Russian rebels.

Malaysian Colonel Mohamed Sakri, who received the MH17 black boxes, said they
were in the hands of the Dutch military and would be taken to the UK.

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Analysis

Crash site in Ukraine
Jonathan Sumberg, BBC transport reporter

Why are the black boxes being examined in the UK? The British Air Accidents
Investigation Branch (AAIB) tell me they are one of only two so-called "replay
units" in Europe with the necessary equipment to listen to what has been recorded
on the cockpit voice recorder. The other is in France.

They have the kit to analyse in minute detail what can be heard in the last few
minutes of flight MH17. The information is incredibly sensitive so investigators
gather in a sealed room so that only those who should be listening can listen.

There are four speakers on the walls creating a surround sound - anything to help
the investigators hear exactly what went on. They may even hear any explosion.

The AAIB will not tell me when they expect to get their hands on the black boxes.
But investigators are confident that, depending on the extent of the damage, they
can retrieve information from the boxes within 24 hours.


One of the boxes records technical information relating to the performance of the
aircraft and the other takes down sounds such as pilots' voices and, potentially, an
explosion.

BBC transport reporter Jonathan Sumberg said it was unclear how useful the
recorders would be.

Investigators will be able to collect information as long as there is no damage to the
black boxes, which are designed to withstand a plane crash.

One former AAIB investigator told the BBC that the cockpit recorder might be able
to detect the sound of shrapnel, which would distinguish between an explosive and
something like engine failure.

BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott said he had visited the room at
Farnborough where the work is to be carried out.

He said: "It's quite a phenomenal kind of laboratory where they go in. They seal
the door, no-one can have any kind of device that will listen in to the conversation
in the cockpit - because it's obviously incredibly stressful if something like that gets
out for families and so on - and then they will listen to what was actually happening
on board."

He added: "We were always going to be involved as a country, this is us doing our bit because we've got the right facilities."

David Gleave, an aviation safety researcher at Loughborough University, said he
did not think the data could have been tampered with, as has been suggested, in
such a short space of time.

"In this case, if it was a missile attack, it's likely there'll also be lots of physical
evidence so how would you remove that or tamper with it? There's no point
tampering with the boxes if you couldn't remove the physical evidence as well," he said.

Victim identification

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said a train carrying the bodies bodies of those
who had died had arrived in Kharkiv, which is outside rebel territory in Ukraine, and
the black boxes destined for the UK were on board.

Dutch officials later said that only 200 bodies had arrived in Kharkiv - not 282 as
claimed by the rebels.

The first aircraft containing bodies are expected to arrive in Eindhoven on
Wednesday.

A Metropolitan Police-led team of officers will go to the Netherlands to help with the
process of identifying the victims.

Western leaders accuse Russia of arming the rebels, and believe they shot down
flight MH17 with a ground-to-air missile.

But Russia has suggested Ukrainian government forces are to blame.

Experts who have visited the crash scene so far include four from the Ukrainian civil
aviation department, one from Malaysia Airlines, two from Malaysia's department
for civil aviation and three Dutch pathologists, according to Michael Bociurkiw of the
Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe.

Mr Hammond said EU ministers had agreed to a "clear political commitment to act
in response to this outrage" by drawing up a list of people close to the Russian
leadership who would be subject to sanctions.

"The cronies of Mr Putin and his clique in the Kremlin are the people who have to
bear the pressure because it is only them feeling the pressure that will in turn put
pressure on the Russian government," he said.

"If the financial interests of the group around the leadership are affected the
leadership will know about it."

MH 17 crash map



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28424115




==================================================


Quote from above article......


Why are the black boxes being examined in the UK? The British Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB)
tell me they are one of only two so-called "replay units" in Europe with the necessary equipment to listen
to what has been recorded on the cockpit voice recorder. The other is in France.

They have the kit to analyse in minute detail what can be heard in the last few minutes of flight MH17.
The information is incredibly sensitive so investigators gather in a sealed room so that only those who
should be listening can listen.








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predictable......




22 July 2014 Last updated at 18:00 pm


MH17 plane crash: EU to widen Russia sanctions

The EU will widen its sanctions against Russia to include more individuals and
consider targeting the defence sector, the Dutch foreign minister says

Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28415248

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[Cidersomerset]

Possible next Britsh Yes man.......


Ed Miliband meets Barack Obama at the White House

Tuesday 22nd July 2014 at 06:28 By david-icke





‘Ed Miliband met with with President Barack Obama at the White House today in an
encounter the Labour leader hopes will burnish his foreign policy credentials ahead
of next year’s general election.

The President made an informal but pre-arranged appearance as Mr Miliband met
with American national security officials in the West Wing.

Mr Miliband promised Mr Obama that a Labour government would
stand “unambiguously” for Britain to remain in Europe amid growing fears in the
White House that the UK could leave the EU.’

Read more: Ed Miliband meets Barack Obama at the White House

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ite-House.html


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Back on topic......Not sure about this report. But hey this is a debating shop.



MH17’s Cargo Of Infected Corpses Was Targeted At Tehran

Tuesday 22nd July 2014 at 07:24 By david-icke



‘The slow drip of information from the Malaysian Airlines flight 17 probe is
confirming most initial insights while tweaking some parts of our reconstruction of
events. In line with the disappearance of MH370, there is evil genius behind this
bizarre crime against passengers and crew, against international law and indeed
against reason itself. The very thought of cadavers dropping out of the sky along
with stunned passengers in free fall pushes this episode past the scope of ordinary
malice, over the edge of credulity, deep into nightmarish psychosis.

Yet the spymasters who covertly loaded infected corpses onto MH17 and then
diverted the jetliner off its scheduled course, before it crashed in Ukraine, are not
of the same ilk as the criminal mastermind Doctor Moriarty, nemesis of Watson and
Holmes. In our post-911 security-obsessed era of “dangerous cargo” restrictions
and zealous airport inspectors, the perpetrators of the MH17 caper must be
institutional bureaucrats familiar with medical responses to pandemic-outbreaks.
The supervisor of the biological weapons attack involving MH17 is probably now
sitting at the desk of a high-ranking public-health official, an untouchable elitist
with agents inside the crash investigation. Public Enemy No.1, in short, is the
system itself.’

As to the prospects for a no-holds-barred investigation into the events leading up to
the MH17 crash, as Tony Blair is fond of saying: “That is a jolly good idea, but it’s
never going to happen.”

This, the third report on the MH17 affair, adds more details and clarification of
elements in the scenario suggested so far:

1. Malaysia Flight 17, like its predecessor MH370, was electronically hijacked off its
scheduled route when it crossed Poland;


2. Extending the altered flight path on a map indicates the intended target for
biological weapons aboard was the capital of Iran, Tehran;


3. The cadavers covertly loaded in the MH17 cargo bay were an ideal package for
delivery of deadly viruses against the target city;


4. A recently disclosed “unstoppable influenza virus” has a murky history at a major
military laboratory and two widely criticized labs in Rotterdam and Madison,
Wisconsin;


5. Due to fears of an unstoppable contagion, MH17 could not be forced down to
either a civilian or military landing field, and therefore had to be rendered harmless
by annihilation;


6. An attempt to set afire the Boeing-777 with an air-to-air rocket was foiled by the
blast of a bomb hidden inside the cargo bay of MH17;


7. MH17 was blown apart by an internal bomb, not by a SAM missile, according to a
top crash expert for US intelligence agencies; and


8. The security threat from Israeli control over Amsterdam Schiphol Airport is
discussed, along with the failing of Dutch intelligence agencies and the
incompetence of MAS, operator of Malaysian Airlines in the response to the MH370
and MH17 crises.



http://www.rense.com/general96/cargo.html

Read more: MH17’s Cargo Of Infected Corpses Was Targeted At Tehran

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Pris]

There's black boxes, right?!
What's on the black boxes?!
Inquiring minds want to know.

[Cidersomerset]

There's black boxes, right?!
What's on the black boxes?!
Inquiring minds want to know.

YEP !!

They are on the way to the UK to be decoded.....


Look three posts up....

[syrwong]

Why Mh again? I can see two possibilities.
1. Malaysia cooperates with the conspiracy master to produce the two aviation disasters for some end.
2. Malaysia has been very uncooperative and is a victim.
I choose the second one. That means the Malaysian government must have been an unwilling participate in the first conspiracy, and may have talked too much. As for this conspiracy, any airline would have served the purpose of whatever, may be WW3, but why not the Malaysian airline? I bet that Malaysian would be even less cooperative this time.

[sigma6]

Multiple PhDs Tom Clancy's "Jack Ryan"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MYTNgGtUMq8

Weirdly cuts out at 2:00 and comes back at 10:50 i.e. basically cutting out his whole overview and introduction... thanks YOUTUBE...

[Pris]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed
flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

Do you think we'll get the truth from them?

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed
flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

Do you think we'll get the truth from them?

If they expose the true data it'll be the largest double-cross in recent history

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Before any tells you otherwise this is footage from Ukraine Military Aircraft Shot Down Over Slovyansk a month ago. NOT the Malaysia crash.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=n60vAtZBrsI

VERY disapointed to see that Vetarns Today / Rense have posted the video above as evidence. I posted it here days ago and just as I predicted, its been called footage of the shootdown. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...p-established/

I expect more from them.

And now prison planet are reporting the same video. shame

[Cidersomerset]

Do you think we'll get the truth from them?

Good question, I would be surprised if they release anything
that may suggest that the plane was attacked from behind
by a missile fired by the Ukrainian fighter. Or whether a bomb
was remotely detonated, hidden on board.

Like most enquiries if the answer is not what they are looking
for it will either be tampered with by the Russians,or reported
that it was unable to be retrieved or the information on it was
inaudible.

We will have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath.