Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[SilentFeathers]

Sheesh! talk about back-pedaling... I found this this morning.

U.S. officials believe attack against Malaysian plane was mistake

U.S. intelligence agencies have so far been unable to determine the nationalities or identities of the crew that launched the missile. U.S. officials said it was possible the SA-11 was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained to use similar missile systems.

ADDED:

David Cameron Attacked over Arms Sales to Vladimir Putin and his 'Russian Cronies'

Prime Minister David Cameron has been pitched into a damaging row over his Russian "cronies" and his failure to block arms sales to the Kremlin just a day after demanding tough new sanctions against Moscow by other "reluctant" EU leaders.

Only hours after the prime minister was accused of hypocrisy by the French over his demands for a ban on their planned delivery of a warship to Moscow, it emerged the UK was still selling millions of pounds worth of arms to the Putin regime.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/david-camer...ronies-1457943

[Cidersomerset]

US intelligence: No direct link to Russia in Malaysia plane downing

Wednesday 23rd July 2014 at 07:53 By david-icke





‘Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests Malaysia
plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found.

Officials believe that the passenger aircraft was intercepted by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile,
which was fired by Ukrainian militia members. One official said the likeliest explanation was the
aircraft was shot down in error, an assertion that seem to be bolstered by the previous downing
of 12 Ukrainian military aircraft by militants in the region.

Intelligence suggests that, although the US maintains that Russia “created the conditions” that
led to the incident, officials were not aware of the presence of any Russians during the missile
launch, and would not confirm that the missile crew was trained in Russia.’

Read more: US intelligence: No direct link to Russia in Malaysia plane downing

http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligenc...plane-mh17-us/

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No evidence of direct Russian link to MH17 - US

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3l9ivWkH3cQ

Published on 22 Jul 2014


Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests
Malaysia plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found

[Cidersomerset]

We already know this was Kiev propaganda , but I'll post report for record.....

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Key Piece of Video ‘Evidence’ for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked

Wednesday 23rd July 2014 at 07:48 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PsbC8yDeGUw

‘On Friday, the Daily Mail, one of the major UK tabloids carried photos and video of what was
alleged to be a rebel “Buk” launcher heading back to Russia. The article carried a claim from
some Ukrainian source that the launcher was missing several missiles after having shot them
at the Malaysian 777. The article was prominently linked to the Drudge Report, and so was
probably viewed by several million people.

Today, this meme made it into Uncle Sam’s official narrative, as per the following New York Times excerpt:

On the CBS program “Face the Nation,” Mr. Kerry referred to a video that the Ukrainians have
made public showing an SA-11 unit heading back to Russia after the downing of the plane with
“a missing missile or so.”’

The video referenced by the New York Times was, in fact, posted on the Facebook
account of the Ukrainian Interior Minister. The allegation was that the launcher was
crossing the border with Russia.

However, going by the billboard and other features of the scenery, Russian
bloggers and news sources claim to have identified the road in the video as having
been taken in or near the town of Krasnoarmeisk (“Krasnoarmiysk” in Ukrainian),
which has been under Kiev’s control since May.

In fact, the billboard is supposedly advertising a Krasnoarmeisk car dealership.
Also, one of the structures in the background is said to be a construction materials
store on Gorkii Street, Krasnoarmeisk.

Please note that this town is (very roughly) 120 kilometers from the Russian border
and 80 kilometers from where the Malaysian 777 went down. And again, it has
been under Kiev’s control since May.

At least one other clip of the “Russian Buk” that has been made available also
suggests that the Ukrainians are showing their own equipment. I’m still working on
researching that one for you.

Jacob




Read more: Key Piece of Video 'Evidence' for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked




http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/...-debunked.html

[Cidersomerset]

Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings

Wednesday 23rd July 2014 at 07:45 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ND-4RgakhJw

Published on 22 Jul 2014


Why has Kiev failed to release recordings from air traffic control tapes which
could prove what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Ukrainian security
services confiscated the tapes immediately after the incident.

[GoodETxSG]

This might SEEM Spooky if you have not worked in Intel... I discussed this scenario in a earlier post on this Thread... AND Just as I predicted in THAT POST! Once the evidence fell apart they would state a group snuck over and fired the rocket or a defector did it...

Like I said, once you learn/understand how these Counter/Intel & "Asymmetrical Warfare Think Tank's" do business (Or "Play the Game" as they love to state it) you taint your own brain to be able to understand them. This is not a Win/Win trade off and indeed ignorance is bliss at times... Especially since I know how desperate THEY are and how they will have to "Step Up" the "GAME" and how far THEY are willing to take it!


U.S. Officials: The Missile May Have Been Launched By a “Defector from The Ukrainian Military Who Was Trained To Use Similar Missile Systems”
http://www.blacklistednews.com/U.S._...38/38/Y/M.html
Posted: 21 Jul 2014 10:00 PM PDT
U.S. officials said earlier today that Malaysian Airlines flight 17 was probably shot down by mistake … and there was no proof that Russia was directly involved.


July 22, 2014
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SOURCE: WASHINGTON'S BLOG

Rampant Speculation … Few Facts (RADIO/AUDIO INTERVIEW AT ARTICLE LINK)

U.S. officials said earlier today that Malaysian Airlines flight 17 was probably shot down by mistake … and there was no proof that Russia was directly involved.

The Los Angeles Times reports:

U.S. intelligence agencies have so far been unable to determine the nationalities or identities of the crew that launched the missile. U.S. officials said it was possible the SA-11 was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained to use similar missile systems.

In other words – despite the incessant beat of the war drums and false claims – the U.S. has little evidence that Russia is responsible.

[Violet]

Today is National Mourning Day in the Netherlands. In about 20 minutes the ceremonies will begin.

[Hervé]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
[...]

Why has Kiev failed to release recordings from air traffic control tapes which
could prove what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?
[...]

Indeed, why?

See post # 293 (<---)

[SilentFeathers]

Now we will see a HUGE wave of double speak and likely another event to distract away from this event, especially if the MSM has nothing else to talk about other than Gaza.

I'm curious about what the data shows on the black boxes, but, I doubt very much we will ever know it....the black box data will likely be filed away with the air traffic control manuscript.

Same ole same ole.......on to the next distraction, diversion, act of war, psychological mind game, and illusion....

.........hmmmm, wait! I see a sign post up ahead!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it says, "Welcome to the twilight zone"

il·lu·sion noun \i-ˈlü-zhən\
: something that looks or seems different from what it is : something that is false or not real but that seems to be true or real

: an incorrect idea : an idea that is based on something that is not true

di·ver·sion noun \də-ˈvər-zhən, dī-, -shən\
: the act of changing the direction or use of something : the act of diverting something

: something that takes attention away from what is happening

dis·trac·tion noun \di-ˈstrak-shən\
: something that makes it difficult to think or pay attention

: something that amuses or entertains you so that you do not think about problems, work, etc.

: a state in which you are very annoyed or upset

mind game noun

: a psychological tactic used to manipulate or intimidate —usually used in plural

[spizella]

Just underlining:

‘Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests Malaysia
plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found.

Officials believe that the passenger aircraft was intercepted by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile,
which was fired by Ukrainian militia members. One official said the likeliest explanation was the
aircraft was shot down in error, an assertion that seem to be bolstered by the previous downing
of 12 Ukrainian military aircraft by militants in the region.

Intelligence suggests that, although the US maintains that Russia “created the conditions” that
led to the incident, officials were not aware of the presence of any Russians during the missile
launch, and would not confirm that the missile crew was trained in Russia.’

[GoodETxSG]

So many sad spies and operators... all of those innocent people and a perfectly good plane shot down for NOTHING!!!

U.S. FAILS TO PROVIDE MH17 TECHNICAL EVIDENCE, ADMITS NO LINK TO RUSSIA
http://www.blacklistednews.com/U.S._...38/38/Y/M.html

July 22, 2014

SOURCE: ZERO HEDGE

With a somewhat shocking lack of evidence, AP reports that US officials (on condition of anonymity) have stated that intelligence suggests Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was mistakenly shot down by separatists and can find no link to Russia.
However, the unnamed non-proof-providing officials believed Russia “created the conditions” for the downing of MH17. For now there is not even a YouTube clip to confirm this… as officials do not make the new technical evidence public…

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BqC1w0cuoFk

As opposed to Russia’s detailed 30-minute press conference,

- U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS DID NOT MAKE PUBLIC NEW TECHNICAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ASSERTION THAT PLANE WAS DOWNED BY SA-11 MISSILE OR THAT MISSILE WAS FIRED BY SEPARATISTS

- U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY THEY BELIEVE PRO-RUSSIAN SEPARATISTS PROBABLY SHOT DOWN MALAYSIAN PASSENGER AIRLINER “BY MISTAKE”

As Bloomberg notes,

- OFFICIALS DISCUSS MH17 INTELLIGENCE ON CONDITION OF ANONYMITY

- U.S. CITES CLASSIFIED IMAGES MAKING CASE ON MH17 SHOOTDOWN

- U.S. OFFICIALS CONFIDENT IN DETECTION OF JULY 17 MISSILE LAUNCH

AP reports,

Senior U.S. intelligence officials say they have no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

They say the passenger jet was likely felled by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine and that Russia “created the conditions” for the downing by arming the separatists.

The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week’s air disaster, which killed 298 people.

They said they did not know if any Russians were present at the missile launch, and they wouldn’t say that the missile crew was trained in Russia.

A senior official said the most likely explanation was the plane was shot down by mistake.

So it seems like all we have is…



h/t @BarbaraStarrCNN

Which is right in the heart of separatist-held territory…



Satellite image shows spread of debris from Malaysia Airlines flight



* * *

So – to sum up – having told the world that they would release details surrounding intelligence about the MH17 disaster, US officials have pulled a “trust us” moment… blamed the “terrorists” and given themselves an out with Putin… all with absolutely no public proof whatsoever…

* * *

Which leaves us with one question - What happened between The White House and Putin (and perhaps Merkel) that ended with this lowering the tone of the debate?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

MH17 crash: Evidence that plane was 'cut into', says OSCE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28415769

Three teams of international experts are at the crash site in eastern Ukraine where wreckage from Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 lies strewn over eight kilometres.

A member of the international monitoring team said pieces of the wreckage had been cut into and changed, possibly to remove bodies.

Pro-Russia separatists have handed over the two black box flight recorders.

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://mashable.com/2014/07/22/russi...plane-evidence:


Russia Lays Out Its MH17 Evidence: 6 Questions It Can't Answer

The international community has increasingly settled on the U.S. government's assertion that pro-Russian rebels are responsible for downing Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

And while senior U.S. intelligence officials said on Tuesday they have no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, officials said that Russia "created the conditions" for the downing by arming the separatists.

Putin, as a result, is a pariah as the European Union imposes additional sanctions against his inner circle.

See also: The Nightmare Ukraine Has Been Living for Months

"It's pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from Russia in the hands of separatists," U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on a Sunday appearance on Meet the Press. "We know with confidence that the Ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point in time. So it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists."

But Moscow's not so convinced of the separatists' malfeasance.

The Russian Ministry of Defense presented its initial findings on the downing of MH17 on Monday. And Russian leaders really want answers to a few of their questions.


Russia's high-ranking military officials speak with journalists in front of a map of air defense locations in the area of Donetsk.

Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Andrej Kartapolova gave a briefing in which he laid out Moscow's evidence and asked questions that counter the narrative that the pro-Russian rebels fired the missile in eastern Ukraine.

Russian counterpoint #1: Why did MH17 deviate its route?

The below map, produced by the Russian Ministry of Defense, shows MH17 following a standard air route along a series of waypoints: Bulig, Makak, Abola, Goned and Tamak. However Russia said the plane deviated from that path, turning northward shortly after passing waypoint Makak.


A map produced by the Russian Defense Ministry alleges MH17 changed its path.

Kartapolova alleged that Flight 17 attempted to turn back toward the established corridor before it was downed from the skies, saying it stayed within the corridor until it reached Donetsk but then deviated north.

“The reason for going beyond the limits of the route — a navigation error crew or command execution manager Ukrainian air traffic control in Dnepropetrovsk — can only be answered after deciphering the flight data recorders,” Kartapolova says, alleging that Ukrainian air traffic controllers may have told the pilots to turn north towards Horlivka.

Nico Voorbach, president of the European Cockpit Association and a pilot who has flown the route with KLM, said MH17's pilots may have been rerouted due to poor weather.

"I heard that they were diverting from some showers," he told The Guardian. "I think there were thunderclouds. You would ask air traffic control to divert left or right, and they would give you the permission."

Russia, clearly, thinks something else may have been up with that northwardly turn.

Russian counterpoint #2: Missile launchers near Donetsk

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense's data, Ukraine's military had three or four Buk-M1 missile launchers based near the embattled eastern city of Donetsk on the day the plane was downed.

The first satellite photo, reportedly taken on July 14, 2014, shows a radar station near the city of Donetsk. Kartapolova said you can see two radar stations, as well as various equipment and technical facilities notated on the image.


Radar Donetsk before

The alleged launcher is missing in the second image, which Russia claims was taken July 17, 2014 — the day the plane was shot down.


Radar Donetsk after

After displaying a similar series of satellite images showing a missile battery east of Donetsk, Kartapolova said: “The question is why the system happened to be near the area controlled by militiamen shortly before the tragedy. Images of the area taken on July 18 show that the system was no longer there."

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, however, has denied his government forces could have been behind any downing of the jet. “We stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets," he said.

Russian counterpoint #3: Ukrainian radar activity

Ukrainian radar activity in the days leading up to the crash gradually increased in the nearby area, according to Russian officials.


Radar activity

"July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system," Kartapolova said.

The above chart allegedly shows the three days worth of radar activity leading up to the July 17 crash (each number represents a station). On July 15, there were seven working stations. On July 16 there were eight. There were nine on July 17. But on July 18, the number declined to two to three per day.

"What is the reason?" Kartapolova asked. "We have yet to understand."

Russian counterpoint #4: A Ukrainian fighter jet

There were two other civilian flights in the area around the time the plane was shot out of the sky: a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore and a flight from Paris to Taipei.


MH17 other flights

And, according to Russia, there was a Ukrainian Air Force aircraft flying — presumably — in the direction of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

Although the aircraft’s service ceiling is 22,965 feet — which drops to 16,000 feet with weapons — Russia said the fighter jet can reach 32,000 feet and easily hit a target nearly three miles away. Curiously enough, the Kremlin was caught editing the specifications on the Su-25’s Wikipedia page to increase its ceiling of 23,000 feet. It's also not an interceptor fighter jet — it's more of an attack plane for hitting targets on the ground.

Still, Russia wants to know: "For what purpose combat aircraft was flying on airway civil aviation almost simultaneously and at the same level with passenger aircraft?" Kartapolova asks. “Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in the area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true.”

U.S. officials, however, dismissed the second-plane theory as “desperate" propaganda. “The Russian government has a propaganda machine second to none, as these latest conspiracy theories demonstrate,” one U.S. official told the Wall Street Journal.

“This is not true,” said Poroshenko, denying Russia's claims on CNN Monday night. "When the Russian [Defense] Ministry makes such a statement, they should present evidence of that. The sky over Ukraine is monitored by many satellites, by lots of anti-aircraft positions. Everyone knows that all Ukrainian planes were on the ground several kilometers away,” he said, calling the accusation an irresponsible and false statement.

Russian counterpoint #5: Video of the Buk missile system

In the days after MH17 was downed, Ukrainian security services released a video that purportedly shows a Buk missile launcher driving through an eastern Ukrainian town.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L4HJmev5xg0

The video was referenced in the United States' assessment of the downing of Flight 17 and its aftermath, posted on the website of the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, Ukraine:

Video posted on social media yesterday show an SA-11 on a transporter traveling through the Krasnodon are back to Russia. The video indicated the system was missing at least one missile, suggesting it had conducted a launch.

But Russia disagrees.

“This is clearly a fabrication,” said Kartopolov. “This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeysk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.”

Several witnesses have since told The Guardian they saw what appeared to be a Buk missile launcher in the vicinity of the crash site last Thursday.

"We were inside and heard a noise much louder than usual," one shopkeeper said. "We came running out and saw a jeep disappearing into the distance with something much larger in front of it. Later, customers said it had been a missile carrier."

(Amateur investigators on social media said it wasn't Krasnoarmeysk, but Krasnodon, a town that's about a 20-minute drive to the Russian border and well in control of the rebels. However, that is unconfirmed.)

Russian counterpoint #6: U.S. satellite imagery

U.S. officials have said they possess satellite images proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched from a specific location.

So where are the images? And was there a satellite overhead at the precise time the airliner was downed?

"If our U.S. colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail," he said, calling it a coincidence that the satellite was over Ukraine at the exact time the plane was shot down.

Intelligence sources have said that a U.S. spy satellite was, in fact, over the area — and it actually picked up the heat of the missile launch.

“They would have known exactly where it was launched, where it was headed and the rate at which it was traveling,” Riki Ellison, founder of the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance, told the LA Times.

The satellite, however, is one that's built for spying — so it's doubtful the U.S. would show the Russian government that data.

"What's clear is that there is a picture that's coming into focus," Josh Earnest, White House press secretary, said after Russia presented its counter-narrative. "Russian claims to the contrary are getting both more desperate and much harder to believe."

[Hervé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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From http://mashable.com/2014/07/22/russi...lane-evidence:

[...]

Thanks Bill!

I've been looking for those socks for so long (link going to lost socks found)

On the other hand, see post #511 for more of those pesky questions the Russians are asking.

[KiwiElf]

Slightly off topic... Gee, using their own argument, does that make America complicit for the death of Palestinians for supplying Israel with fighter jets and weapons????

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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From http://mashable.com/2014/07/22/russi...lane-evidence:

[...]

Thanks Bill!

I've been looking for those socks for so long (link going to lost socks found)

On the other hand, see post #511 for more of those pesky questions the Russians are asking.

Many thanks... (An errant colon in the source URL, now corrected)

Your post #511 report is rather better than the one I found this morning! I'd not yet caught up with all the pages on this fast-moving thread, and my intention was to offer a few more interesting pointers. Best twice, than not at all!

[Cidersomerset]

Slightly off topic... Gee, using their own argument, does that make America complicit for the death of Palestinians for supplying Israel with fighter jets and weapons????

I've been thinking that........


Israeli envoy: Our soldiers deserve a Nobel Peace Prize

Wednesday 23rd July 2014 at 08:05 By david-icke



http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=67257


David or his webmaster has found a way to caption his own messages
onto photos, and he has not been hanging back...LOL

[Operator]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Slightly off topic... Gee, using their own argument, does that make America complicit for the death of Palestinians for supplying Israel with fighter jets and weapons????

Yep, that's what I was aiming at too a couple of posts back ... in the heat of the fight
they're going to expose themselves by proving how things really work. And in the past
they could rely on the public having a short term memory, remembering the last 'act'
only. But now we have mass storage too ... we can look up things from way back when.

Like the 1999 parliamentary inquiry I mentioned in post 296 in case the plane isn't shot
down but another cause needs to be found.

[Zamolxe]

Hi GoodeTXSG!

I'd like to address your posts but before that, because this thread was opened regarding the video from DHABOO7, I'll ask you to please answer the questions I have previously stated in my posts, as the ones in post #33.

So, to make a quick recap:

1. Do you believe Kenzo is a zionist operation? (as stated in the video) if so, what makes you believe this? (I actually thought this was an older assumption that I was not aware of and searched the web for any info regarding this. Search was unsuccesful)

2. Do you believe there was a real plane with real 298 people on board that departed from Schiphol airport and that somewhere between Amsterdam and Ukraine it was switched with a fake plane? Or was there no real plane from the start and a dummy plane took off from Amsterdam?

If so, why weren't the passports placed on the fake plane from the begining? Why risk going through rebel checkpoint into rebel controled areas to plant passports on the ground and also hundreds of kgs of luggage (because the luggage on site would confirm that passports could have survived unscathed in their pockets - you have seen the photos I posted - so either the luggage is real, from the plane, or it was planted to support the "fake passports")
When did this "planting of evidence" take place? before the crash or between the crash and the short time it takes to the rebels in the area to reach the site (10-15 mins)?

Also, in case the plane was not real from the start, are all the hundreds of so called relatives filmed in all the countries mourning their loved ones actually actors?
Wouldn't it be a security nightmare to have all these hundreds of actors not leak a word? Wouldn't it be more plausible that an actual plane was shot down? If a real plane left Amsterdam and a dummy plane was shot down (this is what you are impling, because the passports were planted), what will the relatives see when they will be called to identify the bodies?

3. Why would rebels loyal to Russia take photos of the passports they claim they found on site if this would incriminate Russia? Also how exactly do these "fake passports" incriminate Russia?

4. Why would such a huge disinfo operation be so stupid into filming a pile of passports on the ground and trying to state that it is the way they were found? Wouldn't it seem really stupid? Isn't it more likely that they were brought to one central point and they were all filmed at that central point?

5. Why is it proof that because news reporters reached the site, OSCE investigators should have been able to reach the site instantly? Please answer regarding this specific context, meaning how would a convoy of OSCE cars be so quickly set up and be assured safe passage through the rebel checkpoints and be granted a security contingent in that short time? News reporters from all media were already in the area for months.

6. Is it less probable that the video showing a rebel commander taking passports of the truck were actually after his men combed the area and centralized the findings, and afterwards he showed the press passports from his truck? Or was it a blunder to let them film him actually "just bringing in the forged passports"? Why would a rebel commander loyal to Russia do such a thing - if this is a western operation (the passport operation)?


All the above questions are regarding what this particular video states and have been asked previously by me but you haven't answered any one of them until now, even if you have been continually trying to defend this video and DHABOO7.

I believe that I have made it perfectly clear that this video is absolutely rubbish and doesn't make any sense at all to a rational person.

I'll be waiting for your answers.

[jackovesk]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)


22 July 2014 Last updated at 18:44

MH17 plane crash: UK experts to retrieve flight data Previous Latest



MH17 black box MH17's black box flight recorders have been handed over by pro-
Russian rebels

British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed
flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

This follows a request by authorities in the Netherlands, where the Malaysia Airlines
plane flew from before crashing in Ukraine.

The experts, based at Farnborough, will download data from the flight recorders
for "international analysis".

Some 298 people, including 10 Britons, were killed in the crash.

Mr Cameron tweeted: "We've agreed Dutch request for air accident investigators at
Farnborough to retrieve data from MH17 black boxes for international analysis."

Downing Street said information retrieved would be sent on to a Dutch and
Ukrainian team for analysis.

The announcement comes after Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond joined other EU
ministers in Brussels for talks about the shooting down of the Boeing 777-200 airliner in eastern Ukraine last Thursday.

===================================================

Remember the NWO mantra (Hidden in Plain Sight)

Well, I sense the Kids are trying to play funny-buggers right in front of our faces again...

SO - JUST HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT ((AGAIN)) THEN...

The MH17 NWO Meeting went something along these lines...

NWO Chairman: "Rat-Farts - Rat-Farts - Rat-Farts"...

"Plan A didn't work - Plan B didn't work - Plan C didn't work, etc - etc - Plan Y didn't work"...

"Well then, what the Fk is Plan Z then"..?

NWO Meeting Clerk: "Here it is Sir, EXACTLY how we worded it a couple of months before the MH17 False-Flag Operation"...

British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed
flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

This follows a request by authorities in the Netherlands, where the Malaysia Airlines
plane flew from before crashing in Ukraine.

The experts, based at Farnborough, will download data from the flight recorders
for "international analysis".

Some 298 people, including 10 Britons, were killed in the crash.

Mr Cameron tweeted: "We've agreed Dutch request for air accident investigators at
Farnborough to retrieve data from MH17 black boxes for international analysis."

NWO Meeting Clerk: "And here is the 'Clincher' Sir...

Downing Street said information retrieved would be sent on to a Dutch and
Ukrainian team for analysis.

PS - Just when we all thought this may have a good outcome..?

Think again...

Ya see how easy it is for them to keep the (LIE GOING), especially if 'Putin' has excepted some kind of Deal..?

PSS - But wait I here some of you saying (NO - NO) they couldn't get away with that could they???

Bloody-Oath they could if there is some kind of (Secret Consensus)...

[Billy]

Posted by Zamolxe (here)

2. Do you believe there was a real plane with real 298 people on board that departed from Schiphol airport and that somewhere between Amsterdam and Ukraine it was switched with a fake plane? Or was there no real plane from the start and a dummy plane took off from Amsterdam?


Also, in case the plane was not real from the start, are all the hundreds of so called relatives filmed in all the countries mourning their loved ones actually actors?

Wouldn't it be a security nightmare to have all these hundreds of actors not leak a word? Wouldn't it be more plausible that an actual plane was shot down?

If a real plane left Amsterdam and a dummy plane was shot down (this is what you are impling, because the passports were planted), what will the relatives see when they will be called to identify the bodies?

Exactly.

warning extremely graphic

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg