The Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project

[Luke]

Posted by lunaflare (here)
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No need for money, less mechanical and organic earth based would be my preference.

Before you start to vilify a tool, you better read "Francisco's Money Speech"

So you think that money is the root of all evil? (...)
Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

Another example of how big the minefield is, and what amount of stupid ideas we consider "good ones". Ideas have consequences.

[FrankoL]

Posted by Etherios (here)
Well first step to all of the above is free energy. If you dont use oil / gas / nuclear power / etc etc etc and have enough FREE (no money cost... ) energy then everything will stop being a problem.

With unlimited power we can even make hydroponic farms in deserts... we can take sea water and clean it up to make drinkable water. We can ... do amazing things. the technology exists these are not wishful thinking... what we lack and we dont do all the above is PROFIT. We cant make human society stop thinking that way ... so i wish we get free energy released ... then ppl will start thinking that money isnt so important ... eventually.

Imagine how much it will cost to make anything ... from food to spaceships if you take off the energy needed ... (it will cost nothing). The cost of living will be crushed to almost nothing. I am sure with unlimited free energy alot of new inventions will appear and make our lives even better.

Energy is what control us. Thus why they will try to stop free energy for ever... everything we do has a conection to energy, requires energy to work or to be produced. All we need is that...

p.s. i agree that The Venus project is way too computerized for my liking.. especially the big moon computer that will think for us and react to what we and the planet need. That like taking the thinking of ppl and to the AI's...

I agree with you totally. I think that free energy would change our life and world. This would be the best start (in my opinion only possible). No ET & conspiracy disclosure nor new religion & politics will help masses to realize the world we live in. I suspect that 2012 propaganda, the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project are the time buyers. Just like telling a kid: "I will buy you a candy tomorrow" Yes sure, ... Meaning never!

This concept is always struggling one against another. On free energy there is no discussion. You have it or not. Problem is there is no start. No free energy up to now. Maybe it is not possible. This is the point we should investigate and put extra effort.

[jimmer]

Posted by NancyV (here)
On this level there is no "we", there is only you. Can you let go of your "brainwashing" enough to try peace/love? Can you live in harmony with others sharing everything equally or having someone else in control of giving you everything you want or need? Until you have tried it you won't know. I HAVE tried it and no matter how good our intentions were it did not work. I brainwashed myself into thinking that peace and harmony were possible with a group of people or a society. Then reality set in and I had to acknowledge that human nature is such that disagreements and many problems will arise on a continual basis. Our animal instincts will not be denied.

I began believing that we could live in peace and harmony about 43 years ago and tried many different things. Finally I saw how unrealistic and actually ignorant (stupid) it was to think that human beings can change their very core nature because of a philosophical ideal. Show us one society where this has every worked. You can't.....because it has not worked. If you point out some remote village in Tibet where you "think" they are living in peace and harmony, you won't know that for a fact until you live within that society and see what truly is going on beneath the possibly placid surface. Even in a Buddhist community which was nearby where I lived for a time there were ugly things seething beneath the surface, sometimes to boil to the top and become visible. It doesn't matter whether you base your community/society on a philosophy or a religion, you can't force or coerce everyone to change enough to be constantly loving, sharing, peaceful and content. This is the reality. The Zeitgeist philosophy and ideals are at best wishful thinking which denies the reality of the human psyche, and at worst a possibly evil agenda of control.

Of course one is individually free to try anything they like, but they will not successfully force others to conform to what their philosophy or religion dictates is the correct way for them to behave. I don't agree that a "consciousness transformation needs to take place". We each have the tools and the ability to transform our own consciousness. We don't need to wait for 2012 and something or someone else to do it for us. As for changing everyone else, how about minding our own business and not worrying about getting them to change. Just think, if all the energy one expended trying to change other people was instead spent on going inward and finding all questions and answers for oneself, one would most likely make great progress.

Nancy

well said, nancy.
I watch the movie the other day. very disturbing, indeed.
your point about our dualistic nature is solid thinking.
utopia can only exist in the mind.

without an overarching structure (as overbearing as it maybe), the fabric of a civil society would be nonexistent or at least, pulled apart.

your thoughts are comforting to me as they are insightful and realistic (a real commodity, nowadays.)

so, big picture, have a good and productive life -- enjoy the ride, anxiety free (as possible).

[NancyV]

Posted by jimmer (here)
well said, nancy.
I watch the movie the other day. very disturbing, indeed.
your point about our dualistic nature is solid thinking.
utopia can only exist in the mind.

without an overarching structure (as overbearing as it maybe), the fabric of a civil society would be nonexistent or at least, pulled apart.

your thoughts are comforting to me as they are insightful and realistic (a real commodity, nowadays.)

so, big picture, have a good and productive life -- enjoy the ride, anxiety free (as possible).

Hey Jimmer, speaking of enjoying the ride I like to occasionally watch this short 3 minute video of
Bill Hicks: It's Just a Ride: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiw...eature=related
I'm sure many on here have seen it but if not, it's fun!

Nancy

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

The old religions are broken so the PTB invent a brand new one, aka zeitgeist.
Zeitgeist is a cult invented by the illuminati/PTb. The guy at the heart of it is Jason Lucas a computer programmer for the USA government/NSA, with links to Mi6 & Tavistock.
He is also behind spyware programmes, one being eula files. He also owns the website Godlike productions.

Zeitgeist is the NWO's religion & they are conning folk big time.

Please do your research before you are taken in by the NWO cult!

Zeitgeist + Helena Blavatsky + Theology + Socialism + Fabian Society motto = Today the international symbol of the Fabian Society is a turtle, with the motto below: “When I strike, I strike hard.”

[Etherios]

Posted by Bryn ap Gwilym (here)
The old religions are broken so the PTB invent a brand new one, aka zeitgeist.
Zeitgeist is a cult invented by the illuminati/PTb. The guy at the heart of it is Jason Lucas a computer programmer for the USA government/NSA, with links to Mi6 & Tavistock.
He is also behind spyware programmes, one being eula files. He also owns the website Godlike productions.

Zeitgeist is the NWO's religion & they are conning folk big time.

Please do your research before you are taken in by the NWO cult!

i guess you didnt read the posts... most here are not joining the movement... we are saying that there beliefs are good. What they say and what they do is 2 different things.

[RedeZra]

I think the Venus Project is written in the Georgia Guidestones

it's about controling and clutching the people together and to leave room for nature

what the elite don't tell

is the implanted chip connected to the computer

and that each elite will rule a city like a feudal lord

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the Zeitgeist is an attempt to mock God but God will not be mocked

[jimmer]

the venus project/zeitgeist movement looks to be a pure utopian wet dream.
take a look at this 'perfect city' designed by the venus project founder.

cool design, but it looks pretty owellian to me.

utopian socialism
noun
socialism achieved by the moral persuasion of capitalists to surrender the means of production peacefully to the people.

[Luke]

Posted by jimmer (here)
the venus project/zeitgeist movement looks to be a pure utopian wet dream.
take a look at this 'perfect city' designed by the venus project founder.

cool design, but it looks pretty owellian to me.

Ever wondered why there is a moat, walls and gates in this design?
Control structure, all the way.

If you want to see something similar, watch Equilibrium
When someone says people will live in "harmony", better ask what price is.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Posted by Etherios (here)
i guess you didnt read the posts... most here are not joining the movement... we are saying that there beliefs are good. What they say and what they do is 2 different things.

I did read them sir.
How can their beliefs be good when their whole philosophy is based on a lie?
How can their beliefs be good when when at the root of this money making cult are the exact same people that everyone here is opposed too. Illuminati, NWO & corrupt government & corporations.

There are no good things about zeitgeist. Overlooking all the bad things & focusing on the their alleged good bits is massive hypocritical. How can folk call themselves awake, enlightened when they openly turn a blind eye to the horrors around them?

I suggest folk research before promoting this NWO cult. I have already given you a name "Jason Lucas".

[kouby]

The amount of paranoïa in this thread is really amazing.
This guy actually says, it's his main argument at the moment, that with the current mind frame it would be impossible to put his project into place and expect good results. He puts the emphasis on EDUCATION, that's why the first part of the project is media-based.
His main argument is that if a city was put in place and we just transferred some people there, the same errors would creep back in. It is NOT POSSIBLE to just build a new society system without enormous educational reform.
I'm not just focusing on "banker-types" and corrupt politicians and the like, we all have to learn a lot more and keep an open mind here before just blowing of someone's idea.

Let's face it, when you start going into conspiracy research and the like, you automatically become more paranoid, it's logical. When you shatter a certain mind frame because you suddenly realise that some of it is based on lies or misunderstanding or misuse, your automatic reaction is to reject the whole mind frame. This is not logical, it's natural, but it's not logical.

Just like believing someone just because he made a relatively good youtube video, believing every project or organisation is "evil" because we've found out by the past that some were, is not really rational.

Is every banker a crooked madman who would sell his mother for a few bucks? Is every politician mad for control and domination? Is every conspiracy theorist right? Is every young revolutionary only motivated by the betterment of mankind?
I don't think so.

What would YOUR mind frame be if you had been brought up in nazi germany by loving parents who were totally convinced that Hitler was a good guy coming to save your country after a war that destroyed people's lives? What would your life be like if you had been brought up by extremely wealthy people, always having everything you dreamed of and thinking that you had a "right" to everything?

What I see when I watch a Venus Project video is a lot of good points made about the excess of our current society and a plausible response to these problems.
Jacques admits openly that the project needs LOTS more work, but I think he is right in believing that an "ideal society" like his is totally impossible without enormous educational reform. And I am quite convinced by the basic idea that changing someone's environment will change that person.
Please take into account that he has never said anything along the lines of "my idea is perfect, eat it or get out, this is the new world order coming". He admits it needs a LOT more work, and the most important work is on ourselves.

Again, the one thing that really gets me is permanent paranoia and the "new age" wave of "everything is planned, so let's just relax and watch the show". And they are extremely linked. If you are totally paranoid you close doors for yourself, if you think everything is programmed, you basically end up totally apathetic.

The change is now, as it was yesterday, as it will be tomorrow. We are the change, everybody is. This is not new, and it will never be old.

Then again he might be working for Hitler's descendants, I might be totally wrong. But from what I've seen about it, this project is a plausible alternative to the current consumer based society, and at least it has the merit of existing. I don't see anyone here planning out a new society system and working out the kinks taking into account human nature and past historical and sociological information.
At least there's this guy who is trying.

Maybe he's wrong, maybe he's right, but at least he's trying, which is a lot more than I see on a day to day basis in life.

ps: for those wanting to link jacques fresco to Raelites, check facts before argumenting, there is one enormous flaw in the logic: Rael LOVES money, he says "people who say money is bad are poor, and it's 'well done for them'", whereas Jacques Fresco wants to destroy the economic system basically... How do you logically tie these two people together?

[gryphynsclaw]

As stated by NancyV embracing the duality IMO is key.
Quite frankly I would not contribute to a society where people believed it is their right to do nothing and still to have everything. This ideal is living on the backs of other, or pretty much what the powers that be are doing now. Nor do I wish machines or anything else doing my thinking or deciding what is best for me.
Everyone wants to think that their beliefs and ideas are right, at which point they take steps to convince others they are right. Which is probably more of a ego boosting affirmation then anything else. Which leads to the idea of power which leads to control which leads to mental illness.

To live a Utopian life requires independent thought, minding your own business, taking responsibility and having initiative. At some point people will realize they are responsible for the world by being responsible for themselves. Living with out an ego driven existence, where helping others is done because you know it will help you as well.

We are all the things Nancy listed and more, using our spirit and mind to utilize each of them in the appropriate areas and time will change the world.

Brad

[Etherios]

Posted by gryphynsclaw (here)
As stated by NancyV embracing the duality IMO is key.
Quite frankly I would not contribute to a society where people believed it is their right to do nothing and still to have everything. This ideal is living on the backs of other, or pretty much what the powers that be are doing now. Nor do I wish machines or anything else doing my thinking or deciding what is best for me.
Everyone wants to think that their beliefs and ideas are right, at which point they take steps to convince others they are right. Which is probably more of a ego boosting affirmation then anything else. Which leads to the idea of power which leads to control which leads to mental illness.

To live a Utopian life requires independent thought, minding your own business, taking responsibility and having initiative. At some point people will realize they are responsible for the world by being responsible for themselves. Living with out an ego driven existence, where helping others is done because you know it will help you as well.

We are all the things Nancy listed and more, using our spirit and mind to utilize each of them in the appropriate areas and time will change the world.

Brad

If i understand you correct you mean that we shouldnt use technology to make our lives easier? That if we get to the point that machines do all the work for us and we just enjoy the results is bad?

I hope thats not what you mean ... Living acting humans will never stand still and relax to nothing if they have everything taken care off. An educated person that doesnt have to worry about survival WILL use his energy to something productive. Dont buy into this societies way of thinking... be productive isnt working to make money. I am sure everyone of us know alot of really smart ppl that are wasting their lives working 2 jobs just to survive ... i am sure everyone knows ppl that have unused talents they ignore because it wont help them survive.

Technology SHOULD BE the tool to make every human beings lives easier and make survival something to know worry about. Then you will see wonders appearing out of nowhere etc. Yes this atm is utopian but Venus is an utopian project.

[gryphynsclaw]

Communication is not my strongest point, of this I am aware. You did not understand what I was trying to say.
technology is not a problem or an answer. If it does in fact make life easier with out us selling our souls then by all means use it.
However to totally rely on anything or one, taking your self out of the equation I believe is foolish and how the world ended up as it is now.

Brad

[Luke]

I would urge people that fall for such "solutions" to think about ramifications of technology.

It never exist in vacuum.

It is always an effect of moral paradigm underlying the society.

If one even considers centrally-planned economy to be viable solution, ignoring all the deathtoll reaped by such schemes in the past, then I say it says something about his analytical skills.

It was thought that such thinking received death-blow after fall of Iron curtain, and revealing of the state of society there.. yet old-time Marxists just changed camouflage to this, logic be damned.
And guess they still can find followers.

Sadly.

Careful what you wish for!

[kouby]

So... Technology is not an answer?

Where does the water you drink come from? Your water pipes are technology, old-school technology maybe, but still technology.
How come we live past the age of 30 nowadays?
Why is your fridge full of food?
How come you've got a wonderful thing to keep your food nice and non-rotting? (yeah, your effing fridge!)
What about this good ol' thing called the interwebz? Isn't that thing full of child porn and zoophilia? Isn't it the Illuminatis controlling hand you installed willingly into your household?

Come on a second, stop living in fear, this is supposed to be the whole point.

NO TECHNOLOGY IS "EVIL", ONLY HUMANS CAN HAVE THAT CREATIVITY.

[Spiritus]

I agree with Kouby, there is a lot of (imo) misplaced paranoia about The Venus project in this thread.

I've seen lot's of movies, read lot's of documents about the subject, and did never detect even the slightest chance of it being a "planned" "NWO" project.

This is just the work of a man, capable of critical and problem-solving thinking.

(btw Ché might have been a murderer, but he'll always be an hero in my eyes)

I agree strongly, that every person is dualistic in nature, and has the capacity of feeling and expressing extreme differences in emotions. But they have to be TRIGGERED. The impact of context on the individual is phenomenal, Criminals are almost every single time the result of a bad environment. Nature nurture, very important!

Saying it's an utopia, is understandable, but I would urge you to inform yourself deeper into the subject. Seeing how healthy people become sick due to there society (environment), is quite depressing to watch. And you can see it every day.

//update
I think we all want the same thing in the end, and I'm glad to see that there are so many things going on, on so many different fronts, it's like a spontaneous reaction in the people beaus life is so full of **** these days.
Awesome


Peace!

[Spiritus]

the venus project/zeitgeist movement looks to be a pure utopian wet dream.
take a look at this 'perfect city' designed by the venus project founder.

cool design, but it looks pretty owellian to me.

utopian socialism
noun
socialism achieved by the moral persuasion of capitalists to surrender the means of production peacefully to the people.

It saddens me, to hear a project like that be dismissed so easily.
It really does.

Inform yourself, learn, and THEN create an opinion about it. not the other way around, how else are we gonna get an hold of the $h!t that's being put in our heads

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I am about to watch the 3rd one...

[Etherios]

For those that talk about NWO... ill just say this. The Venus Project will never be established so dont worry.

Now for philosophical thought ... Some points it has that we must find a way to make them work.

1st resourse economy.
2nd machines work for humans (just to make our lives easy not to "handle" us.).
3rd REAL education.
4th Endurance (ALL products should be made to last and recycled)

there might be a few more here ... You all have to stop killing off ideas just because you dont agree with how they are said to be implemented. 1 world goverment is a must if we ever want to leave earth as a race... but ofc the NWO Global Gov is wrong...

Ideas and proposals for a better future are not bad ... we make them bad.