Manipulation of the "New Age" Movement

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

Also, I want to point out that Ra never uses the word "God", and I'm sure this is on purpose. The One Infinite Creator is not the same thing as the typical monotheist concept of a God, imho. You might equate the two, but if the Creator Ra speaks of is "the One that is All", including all beings such as you and I, that is not something most people who believe in God can accept. Most people insist on their being a separation between Creator and Creation. So for those people, God is something "other". Ra's take on it is much more akin the Vedantic concept of Brahman ("Atman is Brahman"). But you must also realize that Ra is sixth density, they are not finished with their return to the Source and have not yet realized ultimate reality, so even they have some things yet to iron out.

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

Also, I want to point out that Ra never uses the word "God", and I'm sure this is on purpose. The One Infinite Creator is not the same thing as the typical monotheist concept of a God, imho. You might equate the two, but if the Creator Ra speaks of is "the One that is All", including all beings such as you and I, that is not something most people who believe in God can accept. Most people insist on their being a separation between Creator and Creation. So for those people, God is something "other". Ra's take on it is much more akin the Vedantic concept of Brahman ("Atman is Brahman"). But you must also realize that Ra is sixth density, they are not finished with their return to the Source and have not yet realized ultimate reality, so even they have some things yet to iron out.

So you would say Ra is atheistic in believing there is no conscious supreme being/creator? And we are all god? That was basically my first realized concept of a 'real' god as a kid.

As for return to source I'm not sure I understand what you mean. You mean the soul ceases to exist and goes back to the creator? I firmly do not believe such. I think the soul has a beginning but no end. The soul is immortal in my beliefs. I wouldn't want to cease existing as a soul...

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
So you would say Ra is atheistic in believing there is no conscious supreme being/creator? And we are all god? That was basically my first realized concept of a 'real' god as a kid.

No, not atheist. It would technically be more akin to Panentheism, I think (not to be confused with Pantheism). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

As for return to source I'm not sure I understand what you mean. You mean the soul ceases to exist and goes back to the creator? I firmly do not believe such. I think the soul has a beginning but no end. The soul is immortal in my beliefs. I wouldn't want to cease existing as a soul...

My understanding is that a "soul" or what Ra calls a "Mind-body-spirit complex" is a portion of an Oversoul, which includes all your past lives and probably the lives of your entire soul group (but I'm not sure about that last bit....the Oversouls of people in a a soul group may be part of a larger Oversoul). What you call your soul is but one projection of an Oversoul. So a soul is what I call a "persona". http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/persona?s=t But that is not to say that your soul will end, it just won't be the entirety of your identity over the long term, but more like (metaphorically speaking) one small facet is a massive gem. I'm not even going to get into the subject of Social memory complexes, but that is a part of the journey back to Source as well.

You should read Michael Newton's past life regression books, because he mapped a lot of these things out in his exhaustive investigation into past life and between life regression. It also helps to have read the Law of One books because there is presented in there detailed metaphysics describing all of these things. It's not just the usual channeling patter. It's a full system of metaphysical philosophy presented by a master teacher, who even Don Elkins, a physics professor with a PhD who was also a UFO and paranormal investigator, was at times struggling to understand.

According to Ra, all there is ultimately is the One Infinite Creator, and that is every living being on this level we are on (and all other levels as well), but at the highest level is pure infinite intelligence, love, power with no beginning or end. As they put it, all that exists is Identity. That is, the Identity of the Creator distorted into multitudinous forms. But this Identity is not an identity (with a small 'i').

This is what Ra says about what they are progressing towards (post-sixth density): "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
"At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."

This bit aligns, to me, to my theory that it is at least partially manipulation..

I would not want to lose my uniqueness. That sounds more like a soul being destroyed. More like ceasing to exist...

Seems to align with the idea that an ascendant being does not define things as good or evil. I'm personally of the stance that there are quite defined things that are good or evil. Although I share a similar belief in ways, in that I think labeling something with good or evil has it's sizable shortcomings. I however can identify yin yang in the world and I feel it's a devolution of thought to not define good and evil. I think it's somewhat important to choose/identify a side you are on.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
"At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."

This bit aligns, to me, to my theory that it is at least partially manipulation..

I would not want to lose my uniqueness. That sounds more like a soul being destroyed. More like ceasing to exist...

Seems to align with the idea that an ascendant being does not define things as good or evil. I'm personally of the stance that there are quite defined things that are good or evil. Although I share a similar belief in ways, in that I think labeling something with good or evil has it's sizable shortcomings. I however can identify yin yang in the world and I feel it's a devolution of thought to not define good and evil. I think it's somewhat important to choose/identify a side you are on.

I don't think you're getting the subtleties embedded in these ideas. Do not think that this is suggesting that the soul ceases to exist or is destroyed, for anything that has ever existed cannot unexist, it exists in foreverness. Your soul may be transcended, but it's not negated, it is included in the all. It is integral to the totality of the whole. Nothing is ever truly lost.

Also, Ra does not talk about Good or Evil, but Service to Others and Service to Self, which they admit do not ultimately exist. The polarities of STO and STS are an integral part of the cosmic plan, but are ultimately provisional. Even at the sixth density level polarity doesn't really come into play. As Ra states at the very outset of the contact: " In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose."

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I don't think you're getting the subtleties embedded in these ideas. Do not think that this is suggesting that the soul ceases to exist or is destroyed, for anything that has ever existed cannot unexist, it exists in foreverness. Your soul may be transcended, but it's not negated, it is included in the all. It is integral to the totality of the whole. Nothing is ever truly lost.

Some of that doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure I don't grasp every concept having to do with it so I've missed plenty I'm sure. What exactly does included in the all mean? What happens to your specific consciousness? Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware. Sounds like they are making an effort to be wordy and deep but it just doesn't ring true to me.

One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...

Also, Ra does not talk about Good or Evil, but Service to Others and Service to Self, which they admit do not ultimately exist. The polarities of STO and STS are an integral part of the cosmic plan, but are ultimately provisional. Even at the sixth density level polarity doesn't really come into play. As Ra states at the very outset of the contact: " In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose."

No label works perfectly as far as I'm aware. One could argue the reptile's slaves are service to others... So when you ask them "Are you STO or STS?" they could be being truthful when saying STO and they still have bad intent. I've resorted to 'the side that values love' or the side that largely doesn't or simply "Nefarious ETs" or "Benevolent ETs".

And as I understand it the more advanced races (likened to 6d races) have lots of polarity, and also deal with it a lot as their role means they have to watch over races like ours to make sure things do not go to badly and to maintain order. So naturally they have to deal with the nefarious races as they primarily like to operate on worlds like ours as far as I'm aware.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I don't think you're getting the subtleties embedded in these ideas. Do not think that this is suggesting that the soul ceases to exist or is destroyed, for anything that has ever existed cannot unexist, it exists in foreverness. Your soul may be transcended, but it's not negated, it is included in the all. It is integral to the totality of the whole. Nothing is ever truly lost.

Some of that doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure I don't grasp every concept having to do with it so I've missed plenty I'm sure.

It's not hard to be miss the nuances of this stuff. This is graduate level stuff. Not the sort of thing some black ops disinfo agent could concoct, imho.

What exactly does included in the all mean?

Seems self-explanatory to me. It's a constituent part that is necessary to the completeness of the whole.

What happens to your specific consciousness?

All I can tell you is my opinion, because my understanding is incomplete. Okay? First off, your specific consciousness that you identify with at present is not the totality of who you are. You may be attached to this fellow named "Omniverse", but you have a greater being. When your time as Omniverse runs its course, it will be subsumed into that greater being along with all your previous incarnations. The life you lived and all of your experiences will continue to be fodder for your learning process as you move forward.

Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware.

Outside of third density there is no time, at least not in the linear way we think of it.

Sounds like they are making an effort to be wordy and deep but it just doesn't ring true to me.

Those who prefer to speak with precision tend to be wordy.

One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...

I think your contacts, were they to communicate with Ra, would be taught a thing or two, and they walk away having much to think about.

Also, Ra does not talk about Good or Evil, but Service to Others and Service to Self, which they admit do not ultimately exist. The polarities of STO and STS are an integral part of the cosmic plan, but are ultimately provisional. Even at the sixth density level polarity doesn't really come into play. As Ra states at the very outset of the contact: " In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose."

No label works perfectly as far as I'm aware. One could argue the reptile's slaves are service to others... So when you ask them "Are you STO or STS?" they could be being truthful when saying STO and they still have bad intent. I've resorted to 'the side that values love' or the side that largely doesn't or simply "Nefarious ETs" or "Benevolent ETs".

Being a slave to another being is not the same as being STO. Being coerced to fulfill your orders because you don't want to be punished is not STO. Being mind controlled to be obedient is not STO. STO is Altrusim. STS is Exploitation. Those who are exploited, those who are dominated and controlled, if they can, will learn quickly the survival advantage of doing the same to those further down the totem pole. That's STS. A hierarchical chain of exploitation.

Ra also refers to STO as the radiative path (radiating love and light), whereas STS is termed the absorptive path. Ra says at one point, "Negativity [the negative polarity, STS], when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it." You are familiar with the concept of energy vampires, right? Or the idea of parasitic non-corporeal entities?

And as I understand it the more advanced races (likened to 6d races) have lots of polarity, and also deal with it a lot as their role means they have to watch over races like ours to make sure things do not go to badly and to maintain order. So naturally they have to deal with the nefarious races as they primarily like to operate on worlds like ours as far as I'm aware.

I've already said that my estimation is that what you think of as highly advanced is probably high fourth density. Maybe some fifth.

Yeah, they do try to make sure things do not go badly. Sometimes their efforts backfire, as they have on this planet repeatedly. But they don't really have to deal with the nefarious races. That's beneath them. Even the strongest negative bad asses would not be able to mess with a sixth density social memory complex. Ra says that they are formless at this point.

The negative path usually ends by the end of the fifth density, and by then, the negatives have usually stopped seeking outside of themselves because they realize everything they need is within themselves. Ra explains all of this stuff. It's a lot to summarize. As you can probably tell, I've spent a lot of time and energy trying to understand this stuff. And I still don't get all of it.

[Sloppyjoe]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by wegge (here)
what do you think about Gaia theory as a selfaware being which we all are parts of?
and if so, has it been hijacked from outer space?

Currently it is my belief that Gaia is not a conscious being. But I could be wrong.. I believe mother earth speaks to us but is not a sentient being.

Posted by Amethyst (here)
I have a question to you, Omni...what does Artificial Intelligence mean? (I know it might seem like a silly question to some, lol, but seriously I want to know what the sort of context is here...mind control to me is not newly in my awareness, by AI is not something that I have come across like you have talked about it in some ways, or not in those words (AI) before...)...

Artificial intelligence is computer based intelligence that runs a lot of the systems that are taking place on earth. Artificial intelligence is partly about decision making from a computer.. Mind Control is always assisted by an artificial intelligence. All extraterrestrials that are interstellar have AI that helps them in various ways. They each have their own personal AI assistant from what I understand.

Posted by Sloppyjoe (here)
5. Optimism: Optimism definitely works, everything really is mind of matter. If you occupy your mind with positive things you will get positive, same with negative.

I acknowledged such. But being overly optimistic it serves to blind, especially when one will not look into dark information about the power systems on earth.

Yes, overly optimistic can be just as bad as overly pessimistic. Both are tell-tale signs that ignorance is taking place. I have looked into all kinds of information and have accepted that there is both love and hate on this planet with a slight favor to hate. I understand that it's not my place to change the world so I go through my life just shaping how I want my own life to be and create that peace I strive for within my own circles. It can't be done completely because we are on a prison planet but it sure is a lot better than living in fear and propaganda like a lot of the population on this planet does. The fruits of happiness are out there it's just up to us to go pick them.

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
It's not hard to be miss the nuances of this stuff. This is graduate level stuff. Not the sort of thing some black ops disinfo agent could concoct, imho.

Something wouldn't be really one agent doing such if it was US government. They would witness what extraterrestrials say etc and be able to come up with advanced disinfo because they can get offshoot ideas of such. Or it could be from reptiles who are masters at creating religions and disinfo..

What happens to your specific consciousness?

All I can tell you is my opinion, because my understanding is incomplete. Okay? First off, your specific consciousness that you identify with at present is not the totality of who you are. You may be attached to this fellow named "Omniverse", but you have a greater being. When your time as Omniverse runs its course, it will be subsumed into that greater being along with all your previous incarnations. The life you lived and all of your experiences will continue to be fodder for your learning process as you move forward.

I believe that our souls hold unique traits, and that we are not absorbed when we die. Some of it is genetics or learned things or ego but in general I know myself. I simply cannot see my soul no longer being an individual and unique being and become some 'all' aspect...

Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware.

Outside of third density there is no time, at least not in the linear way we think of it.

A complete logical fallacy IMO. Time is needed or everything would be happening at once. Time is an essential ingredient to the universe IMO.

One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...

I think your contacts, were they to communicate with Ra, would be taught a thing or two, and they walk away having much to think about.

There are no secrets about where certain information comes from up there. It's not like races do not know other races of ETs. They have access to whoever gave the RA information surely if they wanted it.

Being a slave to another being is not the same as being STO. Being coerced to fulfill your orders because you don't want to be punished is not STO. Being mind controlled to be obedient is not STO. STO is Altrusim. STS is Exploitation. Those who are exploited, those who are dominated and controlled, if they can, will learn quickly the survival advantage of doing the same to those further down the hierarchy. That's STS. A hierarchical chain of exploitation.

The words themselves can be used manipulatively was my point. And they have been. Service to others can be used in a way that is deceptive and truthful.

Yeah, they do try to make sure things do not go badly. Sometimes their efforts backfire, as they have on this planet repeatedly. But they don't really have to deal with the nefarious races. That's beneath them. Even the strongest negative bad asses would not be able to mess with a sixth density social memory complex. The negative path usually ends by the end of the fifth density, and by then, the negatives have usually stopped seeking outside of themselves because they realize everything they need is within themselves. Ra explains all of this stuff. It's a lot to summarize.

I believe what you have said here is incorrect. I do not believe the Ra content gives an accurate picture of the universe. An accurate picture of the universe is one of the most elusive things on this planet IMHO.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
It's not hard to be miss the nuances of this stuff. This is graduate level stuff. Not the sort of thing some black ops disinfo agent could concoct, imho.

Something wouldn't be really one agent doing such if it was US government. They would witness what extraterrestrials say etc and be able to come up with advanced disinfo because they can get offshoot ideas of such. Or it could be from reptiles who are masters at creating religions and disinfo..

True, negative ETs could come up with something cobbled together from various philosophies they've encountered (that they don't believe in). But I do not see the utility of disseminating teachings that completely undermines everything they are trying to do on this planet.

What happens to your specific consciousness?

All I can tell you is my opinion, because my understanding is incomplete. Okay? First off, your specific consciousness that you identify with at present is not the totality of who you are. You may be attached to this fellow named "Omniverse", but you have a greater being. When your time as Omniverse runs its course, it will be subsumed into that greater being along with all your previous incarnations. The life you lived and all of your experiences will continue to be fodder for your learning process as you move forward.

I believe that our souls hold unique traits, and that we are not absorbed when we die. Some of it is genetics or learned things or ego but in general I know myself. I simply cannot see my soul no longer being an individual and unique being and become some 'all' aspect...

It's not a matter of either/or. Meaning, it's not a matter of "it retains its individuality" or "its absorbed into something greater and loses individuality". It's both/and. You must acquaint yourself well with paradox in order to understand these thorny issues. By paradox, I mean "seeming contradiction".

Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware.

Outside of third density there is no time, at least not in the linear way we think of it.

A complete logical fallacy IMO. Time is needed or everything would be happening at once. Time is an essential ingredient to the universe IMO.

Oh, really? How third density of you.

One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...

I think your contacts, were they to communicate with Ra, would be taught a thing or two, and they walk away having much to think about.

There are no secrets about where certain information comes from up there. It's not like races do not know other races of ETs. They have access to whoever gave the RA information surely if they wanted it.

Really? Great....so if you ever meet them again, could you please try to ask them if they know who gave the Ra Material. I'd be interested to hear their answer. Hopefully, we can clear all this up.

Being a slave to another being is not the same as being STO. Being coerced to fulfill your orders because you don't want to be punished is not STO. Being mind controlled to be obedient is not STO. STO is Altrusim. STS is Exploitation. Those who are exploited, those who are dominated and controlled, if they can, will learn quickly the survival advantage of doing the same to those further down the hierarchy. That's STS. A hierarchical chain of exploitation.

The words themselves can be used manipulatively was my point. And they have been. Service to others can be used in a way that is deceptive and truthful.

I see your point. But that's getting awfully semantic. As I pointed out, that is just one description of what they are trying to explain. The word 'service' isn't important. The intent behind ones actions is what is important.

Yeah, they do try to make sure things do not go badly. Sometimes their efforts backfire, as they have on this planet repeatedly. But they don't really have to deal with the nefarious races. That's beneath them. Even the strongest negative bad asses would not be able to mess with a sixth density social memory complex. The negative path usually ends by the end of the fifth density, and by then, the negatives have usually stopped seeking outside of themselves because they realize everything they need is within themselves. Ra explains all of this stuff. It's a lot to summarize.

I believe what you have said here is incorrect. I do not believe the Ra content gives an accurate picture of the universe. An accurate picture of the universe is one of the most elusive things on this planet IMHO.

Well, yeah. As Ra states, "Understanding is not of this density." I know, you said you don't believe in densities, but there it is.

In so many cases, as I've been explaining, Ra is actually agreeing with many of the points that you are making. There are of course, some discrepancies. So be it. It's hard for me to have this conversation with someone who is trying to discredit a body of teachings they've never read. Obviously, you have your point of view, and you are welcome to it. I've enjoyed trying to explain some things, but I don't feel it's fruitful to really continue to drag this thing out any further at this point. Take care, Omni. <3

[Centauri]

Well, I appreciate the thread. At the risk of derailing, I'm going to throw these questions out there. Private message me if you feel that the answers and the questions themselves are too off-topic. This is not an attack on you at all, just bear with me.

Why do you hold individuality and uniqueness to be so important?
One might say programmed vanity.

Why do you think your experiences are lost when you join back up with source if the purpose of incarnating is to learn?
According to the Ra concepts (hypothetical really), you will remember all that you did as Omniverse throughout time on earth AND you will remember all of what I learned and everyone else. Essentially realizing that there was nothing really making you individual from me and everyone else INCLUDING E.Ts and their incarnation experiences.

Why do you think that memories are even stored in your brain at all and not stored in a sort-of cloud source consciousness that your brain is really just a reciever for?

The answers to these three questions might hold you back when endeavoring to understand the Ra Materials. If you let these things go for the moment to consider the information without these filters, I think you will be happy with the results. You can put the filters back into place when you're all done reading anything, not just the Ra Materials. This is not gullibility, let's just call it a willing suspension of disbelief for the sake of trying to glean what whatever concepts any writer is trying to put forth in whatever material you read.

[Natalia]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
"At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."

Seems to align with the idea that an ascendant being does not define things as good or evil. I'm personally of the stance that there are quite defined things that are good or evil. Although I share a similar belief in ways, in that I think labeling something with good or evil has it's sizable shortcomings. I however can identify yin yang in the world and I feel it's a devolution of thought to not define good and evil. I think it's somewhat important to choose/identify a side you are on.

I too see that there is good and evil, for example, severe cruelty to animals for pleasure is an evil action and intention, while the human doing it is a mix of good and bad, positive and negative...it can be the essence, the energy, the negative entities, that moves though people (sometimes people attract it and so it's at least partly their responsibility)...and people can change...though that is less likely for some than others in this life...

So yes, me too, and there have been discussions about good and bad and right and wrong and evil, for years on forums, and I have never (truly) seen that there is no good and bad....sure, people can misunderstand things and people and what's behind things, and may see only bad where there is also good or mostly good...or label people in negative ways that make them seem overall worse than what they are...in the whole mix of who we are...so, I do see that there can be miss uses of good and bad, right and wrong...etc...

I know the side that I am on, but it is with less naivety than it used to be (within me)...

[Natalia]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.

I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

I have read up (and watched and listened) on some of the law of one material...to me, there is some deep truth in it, but it's not "the truth", to me...just part of it...and in the changelings, sure, there might not be 100 % purity in them!

Scott Mandelker is one of the spiritual teachers who I have been drawn to, the most...it's not just his teachings/leanings, but also, him himself (on a soul level, I feel something...)...I believe in him that he is for real, a good guy (mostly! hehe, I love how in some of his talks he shares some of his imperfections, and darker aspects, he seems and feels like a very honest man to me, and I trust him as a person, but I do not agree with all of his views! or other things he shares not from him at all...).

Here is one of his talks

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OBv2u-m5d2Y

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
True, negative ETs could come up with something cobbled together from various philosophies they've encountered (that they don't believe in). But I do not see the utility of disseminating teachings that completely undermines everything they are trying to do on this planet.

The idea would be to control all facets of ET information. This is a goal of the US government. To create the beliefs of densities it does a lot. For example if it is untrue, and an ET ever contacts a person and that person asks them which density are you, they are presented with a problem. They can't exactly go around breaking paradigms. From what I have observed they have to tread lightly very frequently. So they either have to give that person a metaphor of how the universe is actually set up, broken down into various densities. Or they have to break the programming and give that person a different view. Breaking programming TPTB have gone to lengths to set up is something that ETs can barely ever do from what I have witnessed.

Also through the law of one material all sorts of new age beliefs stem from. It's an influential set of documents. I often have wondered to myself where the advanced channeling stuff is(whether ET or US gov advanced). I know the US government can do better than the galactic federation of light.. I guess I may have found it with law of one materials. But it is also quite possible it was a collaboration between ETs. From what I have gathered from exopolitics when one side gets to do something, the other side gets to as well. So to me Ra material (after short review of it, nothing to intense) is either:

US gov to control all facets of ET information, with certain Et ideas infused with a fabricated picture of the universe
or
Both polarities of ETs doing little bits of work they would like to get into at least the awareness of some.

I'm sure the negative ETs have gotten increasingly skilled at manipulating 'new age' movements on different worlds...

Posted by Centauri (here)
Well, I appreciate the thread. At the risk of derailing, I'm going to throw these questions out there. Private message me if you feel that the answers and the questions themselves are too off-topic. This is not an attack on you at all, just bear with me.

Why do you hold individuality and uniqueness to be so important?
One might say programmed vanity.

Because I like who I am, and like being myself.

Why do you think your experiences are lost when you join back up with source if the purpose of incarnating is to learn?

The purpose of incarnating is not only to learn though. And if time ceases to exist and you become 'all' it seems you lose yourself in all that. Maybe I'm wrong though..

According to the Ra concepts (hypothetical really), you will remember all that you did as Omniverse throughout time on earth AND you will remember all of what I learned and everyone else. Essentially realizing that there was nothing really making you individual from me and everyone else INCLUDING E.Ts and their incarnation experiences.

Eventually through incarnating maybe a million years, one learns everything. I do not need to learn through other people's soul lessons.

Why do you think that memories are even stored in your brain at all and not stored in a sort-of cloud source consciousness that your brain is really just a reciever for?

Just the way things are set up. Memories are also stored in hard drives as well.

The answers to these three questions might hold you back when endeavoring to understand the Ra Materials. If you let these things go for the moment to consider the information without these filters, I think you will be happy with the results. You can put the filters back into place when you're all done reading anything, not just the Ra Materials. This is not gullibility, let's just call it a willing suspension of disbelief for the sake of trying to glean what whatever concepts any writer is trying to put forth in whatever material you read.

I will read through the Ra material more in depth at some point.

[Natalia]

What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fbq1trGHlCA

[Omni]

Posted by Amethyst (here)
What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...

I agree with what she's saying. I have encountered people who tell me I attracted my suffering at the hands of the US government and if i "stop being a victim" it will stop. I haven't heard much more preposterous than that. I can't get away from suffering via technology. It is just a state of my life that I have come to accept. Now when I'm tortured often I'm just waiting for it to end... It doesn't effect my emotional state much. There is such a thing as a victim who has a healthy state of mind about such, whilst still being a victim, and suffering is not only an avoidable state of mind but also somewhat of a natural law under certain circumstances..

[Agape]

Posted by Amethyst (here)
What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...

You have to remember one thing .. the teachers of old, real sages .. warned about giving the 'high level teachings' on wisdom and true nature of mind to the unprepared . What they said was , if guru teaches wisdom to unripe disciple they both will end up in hell .
That time , these teachings were considered 'sacred' if not secret and passed on to generation of students who were already tested and it was made sure these people learned compassion, practically and knew what pain is .. that they could bear the suffering on other behalf .. before they ever ready to teach about 'equality' and dispassion and similar .

Nowadays .. the teachings had been made available to multitudes, and they're often taught en mass . Very few people receive personal guidance .

The meaning has proliferated from sacred to mundane . And on the mundane everyday level , they're not always right to use . Not a panacea for all diseases .

[Deega]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Deega (here)
Hey thanks Omniverse, a few years back, I read Mark Passio, in the Exohuman Web Site, stating "The New Age Movement has been specifically designed to prevent people from realizing their true spiritual nature and potential", , I would appreciate your comments if you may!

Web Site link: http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/20...red-masculine/

The best to you!

One of the bigger goals I've witnessed in the agenda is to slow down spiritual development as much as possible. They even go as far as to stop many musicians from making better music... It's a wide ranging and very dark conspiracy... So that makes sense to me that it would be designed to hinder spiritual development. Although I'm not quite sure fully how... Religion I believe has served to hold humanity back from advancing spiritually. You can find many of the same correlations in the new age archtype to old religions..

I found Mark Passio's enormously long youtube video after posting this thread to the icke forum. Im at about 2 hours in. Only thing I really disagree with him about is there being a God.. He brings up some good points. Here is the video I'm currently watching:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q51l_E8Tlp0

Thanks Omniverse, kind a late to respond, but, as you did, I started listening to Mark presentation, I listen way up to 64 minutes, from what I have read, he seems fully knowledgeable, had plenty of information, very interesting! I will try to continue listening. No controversial arguments I can shared on what I have listened!

The best to you!

[Natalia]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Amethyst (here)
What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...

I agree with what she's saying. I have encountered people who tell me I attracted my suffering at the hands of the US government and if i "stop being a victim" it will stop. I haven't heard much more preposterous than that. I can't get away from suffering via technology. It is just a state of my life that I have come to accept. Now when I'm tortured often I'm just waiting for it to end... It doesn't effect my emotional state much. There is such a thing as a victim who has a healthy state of mind about such, whilst still being a victim, and suffering is not only an avoidable state of mind but also somewhat of a universal law under certain circumstances..

Yes I do agree with you that there is such a thing as "a victim", who does not "deserve it"...not that who they are is a victim, but people are sometimes victimized...to me, there is such as a thing as injustice...and I do not believe that thing of "you are exactly where you should be right now", or "everything is perfect as it is"...well, that is not true to my heart, or my gut feelings...

This reminds me of a quote from Jeff Brown:

"I am so tired of people saying “You are exactly where you are supposed to be”, no matter what someone’s life circumstances and challenges. Yes, there is no question that we can often learn something of value wherever we are on the path, and yes, we may have, in some situations, attracted the exact challenge that we need to grow, BUT that does not mean that we are ALWAYS where we are supposed to be. Telling that to someone in every situation- even when they are ill or suffering tremendously- is arrogant, and adds insult to injury. Sometimes we need a kick in the ass, and sometimes we are just a victim of terrible circumstances. Sometimes our suffering is needless and the result of other people’s wrongdoing. Compassion demands that we hold the space for other’s challenges with a wide open heart. Let THEM decide if they are exactly where they are supposed to be. It’s not for us to say." ~ Jeff Brown

[Centauri]

Thanksya Omni. I understand.