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    One of the more powerful images I've seen in tribute to the four young Palestinian boys slaughtered on the beach by Israeli Navy shelling:



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    10,000+ Palestinians protesting in West Bank against the Israeli Governments assault on Gaza (reported by AFP)



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    Israel's new President, Reuven Rivlin, does not believe in a 2-State solution (article from Haaretz 2010)...

    Reuven Rivlin: The land is not divisible

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    If you only watch one news broadcast about the background of Israeli-Gaza-Fatah-Hamas etc then take 6 minutes and watch this.

    Nathan Thrall covers everything I've been nattering about concerning the last 2 years in 5 minutes and couldn't make it any plainer.

    Report is viewable here: Analyst: Gaza Conflict Was Foreseeable

    In the video Nathan Thrall refers to a report he and his associates produced call The Next Round in Gaza. It is downloadable from here:
    http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/region...d-in-gaza.aspx

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    Israel did not like the official statement from the Brazilian Foreign Ministry on the conflict in Gaza,
    and reacted by saying that Brazil is an insignificant country, a political 'dwarf'.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...l-2999318.html

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    The strength and will of the Palestinians who rallied at the Qalandia checkpoint in the Occupied West Bank has to be admired. The difference between them and the IDF is monumental and yet they stood against their oppressors to say "no".

    That difference is epitomised in photos of their "ammunition" as supplied by Jonathan Miller.

    The Palestinian Ammunition used yesterday:



    The Israeli Ammunition used yesterday:



    Report from AJ on this rally of solidarity:


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    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    Israel did not like the official statement from the Brazilian Foreign Ministry on the conflict in Gaza,
    and reacted by saying that Brazil is an insignificant country, a political 'dwarf'.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...l-2999318.html
    Yeah, it's interesting that the countries taking political action are Brazil & Chile...

    Of course Venezuela and Bolivia haven't thought much of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian's for quite a while and can't do much cause they don't really have relations with Israel. Maduro made a statement condemning Israel and said that Venezuela:
    Quote rejects the cynical campaigns trying to condemn both parties equally, when it is clear you cannot morally compare occupied and massacred Palestine with the occupying state, Israel, which also possesses military superiority and acts on the margins of international law.
    I've seen numerous messages in my virtual travels saying things along the lines of "Allende Lives" or "The Spirit Of Allende Survives" because of the Chile reaction.

    Also Ecuador withdrew it's Ambassador on the 18th.

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    Haaretz is reporting that Kerry is trying to get a ceasefire agreement announced in the coming hours (source).

    Evidently there is to be a press conference in Cairo with Kerry announcing something or other...

    Scattered reports that Hamas will not agree to Israeli troops remaining in Gaza blowing up tunnels and performing security manoeuvres...

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    The press conference has been re-scheduled to 8:30 pm Cairo local time (so about 4 and a half hours from now).

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    Interesting article by Rebecca L. Stein titled 'How Israel militarized social media':
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel...ed-social.html

    Also a Policy Brief from Crisis Group (14th July) talking about the Hamas decision process after they were forced into saying they supported the kidnapping of the Israeli-Jewish youths and continued denial by Hamas of being behind it (pg 5-6):
    http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/F...-solutions.pdf

    Finally an article from Haaretz titled 'Israel's State Comptroller probing steps taken to counter Hamas tunnel threat' which indicates that an audit of the Gaza tunnel system and method to detect/control it had been initiated months ago. This may be a contributing factor in the launching of a ground assault. I wonder whose job was on the line where? As one report I've read indicated that an IDF official was shocked at the extent of the tunnel system remarking that it "doubled the size of the Strip".
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...-2014/1.607033

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    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    Israel did not like the official statement from the Brazilian Foreign Ministry on the conflict in Gaza,
    and reacted by saying that Brazil is an insignificant country, a political 'dwarf'.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...l-2999318.html
    Israel is the SIZE OF NEW JERSEY, USA. Put this VERY CLEARLY in perspective.

    BeeBee started saying in his psyops campaign, imagine, (%#%^$#^%$#) IMAGINE the US is being attacked, from NY to Colorado, to DC.. scaling up the "perceived" viewpoint that this "country" is significant. PSYOPS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EITqNY-fLQ

    the statement is clearly insane designed to elicit sympathy.

    comparison size:
    israel blues spec compared to Brazil


    israel and New Jersey comparison size:


    Brazil is the world's sixth wealthiest economy. It is also the largest country in area and population in Latin America and the Caribbean.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tion-time.html

    Britain has been deposed by Brazil as the sixth largest economy in the world, latest figures show.

    In a dramatic illustration of changing global economic fortunes, the UK has fallen behind a South American nation for the first time.

    The figures, from the Centre for Economic and Business Research’s annual world economic league table, show Britain is now the seventh richest country in the world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

    As of 2012, Israel ranks 26th in Global Competitiveness Report by World Economic Forum, and 16th among 187 world nations on the UN's Human Development Index.

    It's claim to fame is the providing to the world WEAPONS SYSTEMS for highly refined killing methods, advanced motion detection system, highly dangerous drugs, cut diamonds, jewelry, integrated circuits, printing machinery, and telecommunications equipment.

    It relies on subsidies from US and Britain. The United States is Israel's largest trading partner.

    Israel is one of the world's major exporters of military equipment, accounting for 10% of the world total in 2007. Three Israeli companies were listed on the 2010 Stockholm International Peace Research Institute index of the world's top 100 arms-producing and military service companies: Elbit Systems, Israel Aerospace Industries and RAFAEL.

    The Defense industry in Israel is a strategically important sector and a large employer within the country. It is also a major player in the global arms market and is the 11th largest arms exporter in the world as of 2012.

    If you want the best bombs, contact your favorite Israeli weapons broker. He will get you such a deal. Clearly a weapons broker wants to be the best that there is.

    ref: http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Israel-...-and-importers Jerusalem Post - Israel signs arms transfer agreements worth $12.9 billion, ranking it 8th among worlds biggest arms suppliers. Peace, ROFL, they are not about peace.
    ref: http://www.sipri.org/research/armame...duction/Top100
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    Scattered reports (unconfirmed) that Israeli Cabinet has rejected the ceasefire plan proposed by Kerry.

    Hamas evidently was reportedly only concerned that Israel might back out of deal (wanted International guarantees) and that IDF troops would be left in Gaza...

    I smell something strange here. Looks a bit to me like a really complex double bluff being set-up but maybe I'm to tired (4 am) to look at it properly...

    All I know is 2 Israeli media stations are reporting that the Israeli Cabinet have rejected the ceasefire proposal because it favoured Hamas too much...

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    Update: Reuters have now also said the same thing and anytime now the BBC will jump on board... Reminds me of the last announcement of a "ceasefire".

    And...

    AFP & AJ are also reporting the same.

    Oh and now the Israeli Cabinet is going back in to have further discussions...

    Wonder what the Hamas position is because there's been no further leaks other than that the Gaza Hamas officials had been reported as having accepted it...
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    panopticon, thanks for that tears too my eyes. Someone else said today re: the conflict, "ich ine Palastinion" The whole world should be ashamed to allow this evil.

    Regards, Brenie01

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    So, no 7 day ceasefire, yes to 12 hour ceasefire that Kerry seems to dream will magically extend all by itself.

    Kerry also said that no proposal was formally presented to Israel (no it was an imaginary proposal made in the land of buttercups and blue birds -- idgit) and Ban said that the occupation must end (duh)...

    In other words 30 minute + news conference that said nothing.

    Meanwhile, UNRWA says that there are now 160,000 people requiring emergency housing etc from them...

    Fuel is reportedly almost out for the Power Plant (that provides electricity) and potable water is a rare commodity.

    Protests continue in the West Bank where there have been at least 4 Palestinians killed today.

    And on an unrelated but equally alarming note...

    The first ebola death has been recorded in the Nigerian capital of Lagos (population 21 million). After getting off his flight from Liberia's capital of Monrovia a '40-year-old Liberian civil servant, collapsed on arrival in Nigeria's main airport on Sunday' (source).

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    Chosen people.. ah hmmm

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    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    Israel did not like the official statement from the Brazilian Foreign Ministry on the conflict in Gaza,
    and reacted by saying that Brazil is an insignificant country, a political 'dwarf'.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...l-2999318.html
    Hi Naste!

    I just posted something in another thread about Brazil and Israel. I had not seen this post of yours... or Bob's. Although our posts bring the same subject, i think mine would fit in this thread too, so i'm copying it below. If it doesn't fit, Mods, please make yourselves at home.

    Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)
    Quote Posted by EmEx (here)
    Quote Posted by ktlight (here)
    why are no governments standing up for us?"
    Yes, why? I've not heard even one government speak out against it, means the world really wants this war ...or rather this killing. The world wants this, not just Israel otherwise some country would have said something by now.
    All but a handful of countries around the world have a Jewish owned Central Bank. These Oligarchs impose Jewish security at the highest levels of the Nations government. This is how the world is managed, in secret.

    Only one game plan. Agenda 21 with Masters of Jews and Slaves of Gentiles (everyone else).
    Hello, people.

    This pasts days (23/07/2014) Brazil has positioned itself against the attacks of Israel to Gaza, considering the "unproportional use of force" "unacceptable". The embassador of Brazil in Tel Aviv was called back to the country in order to be consulted by the govern. Israel reacted to Brazil's positioning in a very peculiar way: they said that it was irrelevant, that the country was a "diplomatic dwarf" (sic).

    Ok. I'll say it again: a "diplomatic dwarf". I would say that that's a very mature statement to be made by a country that's being called attention by the killing of hundreds of inocent lives. .

    We are suporting Gaza here, people.

    Here goes an newspaper article about Brazil's and Israel's positioning (translated by google translator and me). Before that, i'll just mention that, on other ocasions, Brazil has already put itself against the attacks made by Hamas extremists against Israel. We know violence is no solution.
    Author: Folhapress 07/23/2014 21:30

    "Brazil thickens criticism of Israeli action and spares Hamas

    In his most emphatic statement from the beginning of the Israeli operation in Gaza, the Brazilian government said on Wednesday (23) it considers "unacceptable" what he called "disproportionate use of force" by Israel.

    Since March 8, Israeli forces attack Palestinian territory in an attempt to dismantle the radical Islamic group Hamas. According to sources in Gaza, in all, 695 Palestinians have died. On the Israeli side, there were 30 military and two civilians deaths.

    In a statement, the Brazilian Foreign Ministry said Brasília called for consultations its ambassador in Tel Aviv - which, in diplomatic language, is considered a rebuke.

    The text also "reaffirms" the "call for an immediate ceasefire between the parties."

    There is no reference in the statement to rockets fired by Hamas into Israel. This marks a major change in relation to a statement on the 17th, in wich the ministry "also" stated Israeli bombing and attack from Gaza.

    In that time,, the Foreign Ministry also expressed "solidarity" with the victims "in Palestine and Israel's ally", but now it only mentions the "high number of civilian casualties, including women and children" left by Israeli attacks.

    The communiqué justifies with the escalation of violence the vote by Brazil in favor of the resolution of the Human Rights Council of the UN wich approved , also on this Wednesday,, the opening of an investigation to determine whether Israel committed war crimes in Gaza.

    The resolution was approved by 29 of the 47 countries present. The U.S., Israel's ally, were the only ones against. There were abstentions by 17 countries, mostly European.".
    The original article is here.

    About the "diplomatic dwarf" (sic) , there's some information here.

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    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    Israel did not like the official statement from the Brazilian Foreign Ministry on the conflict in Gaza,
    and reacted by saying that Brazil is an insignificant country, a political 'dwarf'.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...l-2999318.html
    Hi Naste!

    I just posted something in another thread about Brazil and Israel. I had not seen this post of yours... or Bob's. Although our posts bring the same subject, i think mine would fit in this thread too, so i'm copying it below. If it doesn't fit, Mod's, please make yourself at home.

    Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)
    Quote Posted by EmEx (here)
    Quote Posted by ktlight (here)
    why are no governments standing up for us?"
    Yes, why? I've not heard even one government speak out against it, means the world really wants this war ...or rather this killing. The world wants this, not just Israel otherwise some country would have said something by now.
    All but a handful of countries around the world have a Jewish owned Central Bank. These Oligarchs impose Jewish security at the highest levels of the Nations government. This is how the world is managed, in secret.

    Only one game plan. Agenda 21 with Masters of Jews and Slaves of Gentiles (everyone else).
    Hello, people.

    This pasts days (23/07/2014) Brazil has positioned itself against the attacks of Israel to Gaza, considering the "unproportional use of force" "unacceptable". The embassador of Brazil in Tel Aviv was called back to the country in order to be consulted by the govern. Israel reacted to Brazil's positioning in a very peculiar way: they said that it was irrelevant, that the country was a "diplomatic dwarf" (sic).

    Ok. I'll say it again: a "diplomatic dwarf". I would say that that's a very mature statement to be made by a country that's being called attention by the killing of hundreds of inocent lives. .

    We are suporting Gaza here, people.

    Here goes an newspaper article about Brazil's and Israel's positioning (translated by google translator and me). Before that, i'll just mention that, on other ocasions, Brazil has already put itself against the attacks made by Hamas extremists against Israel. We know violence is no solution.
    Author: Folhapress 07/23/2014 21:30

    "Brazil thickens criticism of Israeli action and spares Hamas

    In his most emphatic statement from the beginning of the Israeli operation in Gaza, the Brazilian government said on Wednesday (23) it considers "unacceptable" what he called "disproportionate use of force" by Israel.

    Since March 8, Israeli forces attack Palestinian territory in an attempt to dismantle the radical Islamic group Hamas. According to sources in Gaza, in all, 695 Palestinians have died. On the Israeli side, there were 30 military and two civilians deaths.

    In a statement, the Brazilian Foreign Ministry said Brasília called for consultations its ambassador in Tel Aviv - which, in diplomatic language, is considered a rebuke.

    The text also "reaffirms" the "call for an immediate ceasefire between the parties."

    There is no reference in the statement to rockets fired by Hamas into Israel. This marks a major change in relation to a statement on the 17th, in wich the ministry "also" stated Israeli bombing and attack from Gaza.

    In that time,, the Foreign Ministry also expressed "solidarity" with the victims "in Palestine and Israel's ally", but now it only mentions the "high number of civilian casualties, including women and children" left by Israeli attacks.

    The communiqué justifies with the escalation of violence the vote by Brazil in favor of the resolution of the Human Rights Council of the UN wich approved , also on this Wednesday,, the opening of an investigation to determine whether Israel committed war crimes in Gaza.

    The resolution was approved by 29 of the 47 countries present. The U.S., Israel's ally, were the only ones against. There were abstentions by 17 countries, mostly European.".
    The original article is here.

    About the "diplomatic dwarf" (sic) , there's some information here.

    Inaiá
    It is the moral dwarf (Zionist leaders of Israel) commenting on the political (Brazilian politicians) dwarf.

    Ie, the pot calling the kettle black.

    The reality is: what do these psychopaths speak or do not speak, will not make any difference as karmic reaction to murderous actions, which will result in repercussions of equal magnitude.
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    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    The reality is: what do these psychopaths speak or do not speak, will not make any difference as karmic reaction to murderous actions, which will result in repercussions of equal magnitude.
    Yep!

    An adendum: Still talking about Brazil going against their attacks on Gaza (Brazil called "disproportional" the force used by Israel) , the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel, Yigal Palmor, has pronounced this... thing:

    "Disproportionate is 7-1". (sic/sick).

    As a journalist said, Palmor "wanted to be funny and ironic and compared the human drama of broken families, grief and tragedy that occurs in Gaza to the declassifying of Brazil in the World Cup against Germany. (...).

    It was not funny, it was not ironic. It was just inhumane.". Laura Capriglione, here.
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    Wormtongue just made themselves visible in #Israel

    "Sharon’s chief advisor, Dov Weisglass describe siege as "‘an appointment with dietician. Palestinians will get a lot thinner, but won’t die’"

    I'm calling all sleuthers to give me everything they can find on who he bows to...

    ever heard of the false prophet... we're getting closer...

    not online other than cell, so can follow but hard to post...

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    Quote Posted by Inaiá (here)
    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    The reality is: what do these psychopaths speak or do not speak, will not make any difference as karmic reaction to murderous actions, which will result in repercussions of equal magnitude.
    Yep!

    An adendum: Still talking about Brazil going against their attacks on Gaza (Brazil called "disproportional" the force used by Israel) , the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel, Yigal Palmor, has pronounced this... thing:

    "Disproportionate is 7-1". (sic/sick).

    As a journalist said, Palmor "wanted to be funny and ironic and compared the human drama of broken families, grief and tragedy that occurs in Gaza to the declassifying of Brazil in the World Cup against Germany. (...).

    It was not funny, it was not ironic. It was just inhumane.". Laura Capriglione, here.
    That was an exceptional article. Thank you.

    For anyone interested in more on the Israeli's who refuse to fight please see:
    http://forward.com/articles/202671/-...e-in-gaza-war/
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/postev...fuse-to-serve/

    It takes courage to say "no" when all those around you say "yes". When you are berated by friends, family and strangers alike.

    Sometimes saying "no" is the hardest thing.

    I honour their courage and willingness to stand by their decision.

    -- Pan
    "What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence.
    The only consequence is what we do."

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