Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[Cidersomerset]

25 July 2014 Last updated at 16:58

MH17: Australia and Netherlands seek Ukraine site access



The Netherlands and Australia are seeking access to the MH17 crash site in Ukraine, as more planes
with victims' bodies landed in Eindhoven.

Foreign ministers from both countries attended a ceremony marking the departures in the city of Kharkiv.

Separately the EU has formally announced that it is strengthening sanctions against Russia.

It says that "15 further persons and 18 entities" have been subjected to an asset freeze and a visa ban.

A statement says that those targeted are "responsible for action against Ukraine's territorial integrity".

"This brings the number of persons currently under EU sanctions in connection with the situation in
Ukraine to 87 while the number of entities will rise to 20," the statement issued on behalf of the
Council for the European Union said.

The statement also said that the Council had decided to introduce measures which pave the way
for "imposing asset freezes and visa bans on persons and entities that actively support or are
benefiting from Russian decision-makers responsible for the annexation of Crimea or the destabilisation
of eastern Ukraine".

'Bring home everybody'

The Dutch and Australian Foreign Ministers, Frans Timmermans and Julie Bishop are negotiating with
Ukrainian officials in Kiev to send police to the crash site which is controlled by pro-Russia rebels amid
continuing fighting.




One of two transport aircraft which flew another 74 coffins from Kharkiv in government-controlled eastern
Ukraine arrives in Eindhoven in the Netherlands on Friday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28478941

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Russia accuses US of 'smear campaign' over Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0XzCuAKJS_s

Published on 25 Jul 2014


Russia has called the latest US accusations claiming that Moscow is involved in
the Ukrainian conflict a baseless smear campaign.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said the United States bears responsibility for the
bloodshed in Ukraine. US Deputy State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf
said on Thursday that the latest evidence suggests that Russian troops are
firing artillery from across the border in Russia toward the Ukrainian military.
The Foreign Ministry statement said Harf is trying to turn public opinion
against Russia. Moscow has denounced the protests in Kiev which led to the
ouster of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych and called it a
US-sponsored regime change. The statement said Washington supported the
coup in the country. Russia alleges that the current leadership in Ukraine wants
to cruelly repress the Russian-speaking population in the east of the country.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bDiNakvBmw

Ukraine conflict: Russia accuses US of 'smear campaign'3 hours ago

The European Union has expanded its blacklist of Russian individuals and organisations which
will be subject to asset freezes and travel bans in protest at Russia's role in the Ukraine crisis.

Meanwhile, Russia has accused the United States of conducting a "smear campaign" over its
alleged involvement in the conflict.

The US says it believes rebels shot down the Malaysia Airlines jet with a Russian-provided
SA-11 Buk surface-to-air missile, probably by mistake.

The row comes as more bodies of victims from flight MH17, which crashed in Ukraine,
arrived in the Netherlands.

Emily Thomas reports.

Read more
Ukraine conflict: Russia accuses US of 'smear campaign'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28492474

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RT contributor deported from Ukraine

Assaulted, robbed by National Guard......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UtJOX7b6qJ4

Published on 25 Jul 2014


Graham Phillips, an RT contributor covering the conflict in eastern Ukraine,
has been deported to the UK, following his arrest at Donetsk airport on
Tuesday night. Phillips, who was previously detained by Ukrainian forces
for two days in May, will not be allowed to re-enter the country for three
years. The SBU said that the official reason for the deportation was the
threat Phillips presented to "state security, sovereignty and territorial
integrity" of Ukraine. RT’s Ameera David speaks to Graham to get a
first-hand account of his ordeal.

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This is the power of the web the Elites hate....


JewsAndArabsRefuseToBeEnemies: People unite for peace amid Gaza conflict

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SCCWX9Q5G2c

Quds Day: Muslims hold massive rallies throughout the world in support of Palestine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I98OP31o3To

Published on 25 Jul 2014


Muslims throughout the world are marking International Quds Day. It's traditionally
used to express solidarity with the Palestinian people - and this year, most of the
banners in the streets are denouncing Israeli aggression in Gaza. Protesters in Iran
were chanting anti-Israeli slogans and burning the country's flag.

In the capital Tehran the rally was attended by the Iranian president. There were
similar scenes today across India. There, thousands of Muslims marched in support
of Palestine and held prayers. A high turnout too in London, from where
Polly Boiko reports - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/0pkw3t

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RAW: Pro-Palestinian protesters clash with pro-Israelis in Berlin

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yviXKrGapL4

Published on 25 Jul 2014


Hundreds of Pro-Palestinian protesters took to the streets of Berlin Friday in protest of
the recent attacks on Gaza . Minor clashes broke out between counter-protesters waving
Israeli flags and chanting at the pro-Palestinian protesters. No arrests or casualties were
reported - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/0pkw3t




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Israel vs Gaza: IDF intensifies offensive, Hamas rockets reach Tel Aviv

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6sscjf61k

Published on 25 Jul 2014


Ten thousand Palestinian protesters took to the city of Ramallah in the West Bank to
voice anger against violence in Gaza. It ended in clashes with Israeli soldiers - which
left two protesters dead and dozens wounded. Harry Fear is in Gaza for RT closely
following the situation. Meanwhile Hamas, continues firing rockets into Israel - with
many reaching as far as Tel Aviv. Paula Slier witnessed Israel's Iron Dome
interception system in action.

[jackovesk]

• Islam = Bend over and pray (5 x Per Day) as if your life depended on it...
  
  
• Koran = Mohammed's book of fairytales
  
  
• The Bible = A misconstrued Mass of Never-ending Stories written by every Tom, Dick & Harry
  
  
• Christianity = 90% of people who say they are (Real) Christians are Liars
  
  
• Judaism = Bloody 'Elitism' at its Best...
  
  
• Sharia Law = Fking (INSANITY) i.e. Be a 'Bad-Girl' and we will cut your Clitoris Off...
  
  
• Catholism = Faith built solely on ((GUILT)), what a way to live your life...

I'm Sick to Fking Death of (ALL of IT)...

Religious people are some of the "Dumbest" people on the planet, they are the blind leading the blind...

PS - The only (Truth) on any of the 'above' is hidden and locked away in the Vatican library...!!!

PSS - It was just on my mind is all, end of RANT...

[jackovesk]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

PS - Yep, this is it folks the NWO are starting the ((ALL OUT ATTACK)) for their 1 World Govt. & Currency Control...

The US, at least on paper (and that does count...) has this ridiculous huge debt load. As a result all countries are now engaged in this currency war. War is definitely the "out" the US is looking for. They've blown up the World Trade Building records and the "gold" supposedly in the basement. They've blown up Building 7 records. Do they want to blow up more records of their debts? Karen Hudes says there is a 90% chance that countries will follow the Rule of Law. I think that is a bit high. Is she factoring in remote controlled 777s which equals gangster like extortion and terrorism of anyone who bought Boeing airliners? I sometimes wonder what the "world at the top must really look like" where sabotage, propaganda, currency wars, disinformation ops, military arms race, are combined with G7,8, 20 and UN meetings...

I also wonder if the UK selling arms to Russia, while making very loud and public their protests (almost too loud, and all in unison) regarding the Israeli invasion is supposed to mean something? (Besides making a profit... It is rather odd. i.e. has the Queen (or Inner City of London?) made a deal or concessions with the WDS/China? But that doesn't make sense because City of London collects 40% and is the heart of the NWO?... Then again would they like to see the Vatican go down and break free of the Yoke that was put on them in 1200... Again sometimes the only way to make sense is to think of it like World Wrestling Federation Soap Opera. (Pieczenik theory) i.e maybe it's just pure business at the top. As in too big to give a crap. Neither can really take the other out (not including nukes) So they have to deal. And according to 1984, there is supposed to be 3 huge global blocks NA, Europe and Asia...

It's seems like they are taking the weak players off the board. Re-slicing of the world pie. We are seeing the disintegration of Ukraine (if they were in bad straits before the war, they are toast now) in terms of monopoly they may just have to give up part of Ukraine in exchange for the liability of MH17! which surely they can't afford... Poroshenko must have chocolate stains on his undies when that plane crashed in his jurisdiction. Any money loaned to them from the IMF is already spent on US military/mercenaries/Insurance and rebuilding, i.e they just got stuck holding the bag. Hook, line and stinker. (I told them not to beg to join the IMF!...)(Imagine the look on Poroshenko's face right now... time to pony up...) i.e. if the world is just one huge conglomerate of corporations... it just downsized (with more cost cuts in the works...)

I also think these attacks on Russia can be interpreted as nothing more then money making opportunities on the Stock markets. There's billions to be made in these prices swings, especially if your an insider... This might sound insensitive, but how many people are dying every day on this planet from starvation, war, and terrorism right now. How many planes crashed in the last two weeks alone... This might be the "alternative" to war. A modern day 21 century war. And if that is the case, we have come a long way.

just some thoughts..

I also think these attacks on Russia can be interpreted as nothing more then money making opportunities on the Stock markets. There's billions to be made in these prices swings, especially if your an insider...

This is Global not just Russia's problem - Just like in pre-2008 the ((Central Banks)) are the ones over-inflating the Stock Market and manipulating the Gold Market, just waiting for the conditions to be right and (Pull-the-Plug)..

Most will be too late to Buy-into the modern Gold-Rush that will follow the biggest ((Market-Correction)) the world has ever seen, because there (Simply won't be any Physical Left to Buy)...

PS - Just one more thing, you left out the (RAMBO type Blood Thursty PARASITES) of this world, who all need their (PAYCHECKS) too (Ideology not Required)...

• Rambo: Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!
  
• Trautman: It was a bad time for everyone, Rambo. It's all in the past now.
  
• Rambo: For *you*! For me civilian life is nothing! In the field we had a code of honor, you watch my back, I watch yours. Back here there's nothing!
  
• Trautman: You're the last of an elite group, don't end it like this.
  
• Rambo: Back there I could fly a gunship, I could drive a tank, I was in charge of million dollar equipment, back here I can't even hold a job *parking cars*!

Yeh, my heart really goes out to the poor Black-Water (MERCANARIES) who will do (ANYTHING) for $$$...

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wEheSmT6uEg

Pieczenik interview starts @ 1:05:20mins



Thanks Jack some excellent points by Steve Pieczenik on the inter relationships
and rivalries of the countries and intelligence agencies in the Middle East
and further afield. This subject is far to vast to put into sound bites. But
since we are not all academic morons and people are watching and contributing
as we go along. We will continue to go at a speed all can follow or we
will end up as those university professors with high pay and few morals..LOL


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THE MUSLIM WORLD IS CERTAINLY NOT EQUAL UNDER GOD !!!!!

THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER RELIGION !!! As far as I can see......



Caller Lambasted Saudi Royal Family, House of Saud, Saudi Arabia ,
George says at the end it was so power full it almost made him cry.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a3dPDy7eYks

Published on 31 Jul 2013


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ABC News investigates Saudi Royal Family lavish lifestyle

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mFlqVJi-0_g

Published on 13 Apr 2014


ABC News investigates the lavish lifestyle of the Saudi royal family and talks to
those who say the Saudi princes at play in the Riviera, St. Tropez, Cannes, and
Monte Carlo are making a mockery of their faith and have enraged critics who
seek to overthrow the kingdom's rulers. ABC also reports on the alleged
involvement of some Saudi princes in cocaine smuggling, prostitution rings and
suspected efforts to fund terrorists. In the program, ABC News interviews Prince
Al Walid Bin Talal and investigated prostitution charges against Prince Abdel Azziz
bin Fhad and drug smuggling charges against Prince Nayef bin Fawwaz al Shaalan.

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House of Saud

The family is estimated to be composed of 15,000 members, but the majority of the
power and wealth is possessed by a group of only about 2,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud








Prince Charles takes part in traditional Saudi sword dance - no comment

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KdOyF9NhipA

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Haram Lifestyle Of Saudi Prince Al Walid bin Tallal

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jWG-UyUiJhs

Published on 16 Jun 2013


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In Gaza, the figure living below the poverty line stood at 78%








WORLD'S RICHEST ARABS 2014

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dty8iPG9mjg

Published on 10 Feb 2014


1. HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Al Saud ($31.2 billion)
The Saudi prince's share of the Kingdom Holding Company along
with other private holdings such as Rotana brings his total wealth
to $25.90 billion.

2 Mohamed Al Jaber $12.66bn uk(saudi arabia)


3. The Olayan Family ($12.5 billion)
Founded as a trucking company in 1947, Saudi Arabia's Olayan
Group now has a stake in numerous multinationals, including a
3.6 percent share of Credit Suisse. Controlled by the four children
of the founder.

4. Mohammed Al Amoudi ($12billion)
Saudi/Ethiopian with a portfolio of businesses in oil, mining, agriculture,
hotels, hospitals, finance, operations and maintenance. Named the richest
black person in the world by Forbes.

5. Issam Al Zahid ($11.6billion)
The chairman of the Alzahid Group of Companies, a conglomerate with
41,000 employees and stakes in fields such as mining, logistics, oil and
gas, manufacturing, information technology, foodstuffs and retail.

6. The Sawiris Family ($10 billion)
Coptic Egyptian family that controls the Orascom conglomerate, with
interests in telecommunications, construction, real estate, hotel and
development business.

7. The Kharafi Family ($8.5billion)
Another diversified conglomerate, this one of Kuwait origin with 100,000
employees in 25 countries. The holdings include exclusive franchise rights
in the Middle East for a large number of fast food brands such as KFC, TGI
Friday's and Pizza Hut.

8 Joseph Safra $7.5bn Brazil (Lebanon)

9. The Binladin Family ($7.5 billion)
Closely connected with the Saudi Royal family, the Saudi Binladin Group is
considered the largest construction company in the world. Thirteen of the
late founder Mohammed Binladin's sons sit on the board.

10 Said Khoury ($7 billion)
The Palestinian born co-founder of the Consolidated Contractors International
Company (CCC) is also the governor of the Arab Monetary Fund and a large
shareholder in the Arab Palestinian Investment Company. Since its founding,
CCC has built a large number of well-known buildings throughout the world,
including Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison (before Saddam Hussein came to power)
and the Ronald Reagan National Airport in Washington, DC.



1
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Al Saud
$31.2bn
saudi arabia
2
Mohamed Al Jaber
$12.66bn
uk(saudi arabia)

4
Mohammed Al Amoudi
$12bn
saudi arabia
5
Issam Al Zahid
$11.6bn
saudi arabia
6
The Sawiris Family
$10bn
egypt
7
The Kharafi Family
$8.5bn
kuwait
8
Joseph Safra
$7.5bn Brazil (Lebanon)
9
The Binladin Family
$7.5bn
saudi arabia
10
Said Khoury
$7bn
Palestine
creidts: arabianbusiness.com




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Zionist Saudi Royal Family Completely Exposed Must Watch

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TvfyqlDeAgo

Published on 16 Jun 2013


Zionist Saudi Royal Family Completely Exposed Must Watch

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MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed False Flag

new Saturday 26th July 2014 at 09:58 By david-icke





‘Until this past Monday, the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 on July 17th, 2014, was a potential game
changer for global geopolitics and the New Cold War. However, a funny thing happened on the way to the Kremlin…’



In this report, we will lay out the facts based on a wide breadth of available information and data surrounding MH17. We will also present and give critique to Washington and Kiev’s “mountain of evidence” that has saturated US and European-based media coverage since the incident took place. 21WIRE has compiled this report with the help of many contributors and references from English-speaking media, as well as material translated from Russian and Ukrainian media sources, along with other historical references to provide context. Our objective is to get as close to the truth as possible. Although many revelations will appear to be self-evident, we still encourage the public to draw there own conclusions regarding this pivotal event.

There are other well-known anomalies surrounding this event which have been covered at 21WIRE, as well as connections to MH370, but for the purposes of this investigation we will focus on both factual and speculative evidence brought forth by the US, Ukraine and Russia.

As we will clearly demonstrate, the only wild conspiracy theories being pushed right now, are those coming out of the US State Department, and the government in Kiev, Ukraine, which are being repeated by CNN, BBC, FOX-NewsCorp, ABC, CBS and NBC…

The Brink of War

Last Monday morning was not a pleasant one for the US State Department. Russian officials surprised Washington and its NATO partners when it released all available satellite imagery and air traffic control data which was recorded in and around the final minutes of Flight MH17 – and presented it to the world media on live television. The data painted a very different picture, drawing contrasting conclusions to what Washington and Kiev officials had been disseminating via western media since July 17th. Following their presentation, Moscow handed its findings – air traffic data and time stamped satellite imagery – to European authorities. We will review those findings in detail later in this report. In stark contrast, US officials have been reluctant to do the same. Is Washington willing to share any object data or evidence to the public, or is it only interested in sharing that which somehow fits into the same predetermined narrative it stood by on July 17th, one which already assigned guilt to both rebel fighters in eastern Ukraine and Russia?

We hope that political leaders and media organizations in the US and Europe will take the time to consider all available information, rather than simply repeat and spin what is bouncing around the media echo chamber. It’s also crucial to understand the geopolitical context in which this incident has occurred in order to discover who really possessed the motive, and the means to destroy this passenger aircraft, and which parties stand to benefit most from such an international incident.

After reviewing the evidence, all indicators points to the downing of MH17 as a highly coordinated, but failed false flag event.

MH17: A Doomed Flight Path

A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.

Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.




As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved by ATC Kiev approximately 200 miles north – putting it on a new course, heading directly into a war zone, a well-know dangerous area by now – one that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot and editor of Aviation International News Safety magazine, confirmed that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur would normally travel along a route significantly further south than the route MH17 was diverted onto. Data on all airline flight records can be found here.


The BBC reported on July 17th: “Ukraine’s SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency.”

Independent investigators are worried that ATC audio records of the MH17 flight appear to have been confiscated by the Kiev government. No reason has been given for this loss of transparency, but not a word from Washington regarding this cover-up of crucial evidence.

Did this order to change the flight path come from the Ukrainian authorities? Was the pilot instructed to change course? To be sure, the order to change the flight path did not come from Eurocontrol, but rather from ATC in Kiev.

Clue: British media run interference by conjuring a “Storm”

Soon after the incident, British news outlets began floating the story - without evidence, that MH17 was diverted to “avoid thunderstorms in southern Ukraine”. This was also placed on Wikipedia at the same time. Nico Voorbach, who is Dutch, is president of the European Cockpit Association, and was the man used to nudge out this talking point. Voorbach casually slides this crucial fabrication out there, telling The Guardian of all papers, “”I heard that MH17 was diverting from some showers as there were thunderclouds”.

The only problem is that Malaysian Airlines immediately refuted this in a report from Malaysia News:

“MAS operations director Captain Izham Ismail has also refuted claims that heavy weather led to MH17 changing its flight plan.

“There were no reports from the pilot to suggest that this was the case,” Izham said.

What is significant, however, is that the Western media acknowledged that the change in the flight path did occur, and the that “heavy weather” narrative is a fabrication.
Global Research clarifies this confusing issue:

“The route over Ukrainian airspace where the incident occurred is commonly used for Europe to Asia flights. A flight from a different carrier was on the same route at the time of the MH17 incident, as were a number of other flights from other carriers in the days and weeks before. Eurocontrol maintains records of all flights across European airspace, including those across Ukraine.”

“What this statement confirms is that the MH17 ‘s “usual flight path” was similar to the flight paths of some 150 international flights which cross Eastern Ukraine on a daily basis. According to Malaysian Airlines “The usual flight route [across the sea of Azov] was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. The International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions (that approved flight path is indicated in the maps below).”

The regular flight path of MH17 (and other international flights) over a period of ten days prior to July 17th ( day of the disaster), crossing Eastern Ukraine in a southeasterly direction is across the Sea of Azov.

The Times of India reported this: “Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called “a direct routing”. This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based navigation aid or way point to another. “Direct routing saves fuel and time and is preferred by pilots. In this case, it proved fatal,” said an airline source



UPDATE TBC: A number of bloggers have reported that the past flights on FlightRadar and FlightAware were changed between July 24-25th, the new “old flights” were placed over the Donetsk People’s Republic instead of the flights going further south. This does not jibe with what was reported last week by researcher Vagelis Karmiros using data from flight-tracking website Flightaware and published on a number established sites like Zero Hedge. Stay tuned here for updates.

The Event

The fatal event occurred somewhere in the interval between 17:21:28 and 17:22:30 Moscow Time. The exact time of the crash is believed to be at 5:23pm. The last available geographic coordinates can be found here on Flight Radar24:




Weather and Visibility Factor

Kiev-based air traffic controllers not only led MH17 right over its alleged ‘target zone’ in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, but also helped make it visible.

Although weather data online is all but unavailable for the area of Donetsk, Ukraine for July 17th, conditions are evident by numerous videos depicting the crash and crash site in the aftermath - it was cloudy and overcast, with more visibility above the cloud canopy. This factor is important because at its cruising altitude of 33,000 feet (10,000 meters), the airliner would not be visible from the ground in the rebel-held area where Washington is insisting a SAM missile was launched. Why Kiev air traffic controllers order MH17 to suddenly drop its altitude, from 35,000 feet to 33,000 feet, just before the plane’s demise is unknown for sure, but it would have been near impossible for the alleged rebel gunman occupying this relatively small rebel-held patch of land to make a visual sighting of MH17 and acquire the target during the 1-2 minute window they would have had (assuming they were even in possession of the BUK missile system).

The Los Angeles Times reports:

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was cruising just 1,000 feet above restricted airspacewhen it was struck by a missile in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, according to aviation and intelligence officials.


To date, Kiev has refused to acknowledge or explain why the plane was moved into position in this way. Moreover, Interfax news agency reported that Ukraine’s SBU security service confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew immediately after the incident.

The probability that this is all an ‘unfortunate coincidence’ reduces to near zero when one considers the air traffic data and Kiev’s denial of the close proximity of its Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet in pursuit of MH17 minutes before the crash (see ‘Aircraft in the Vicinity’ below).

Small Rebel Target Window

Much has been made by the US and its media of MH17 being shot down and crashing in “the rebel-held area”, but few are aware of just how small the said area actually is. The Ukrainian military had already isolated the rebel area which Kiev and Washington insist a rebel-controlled BUK SAM missile battery had fired on the passenger jet. The actual size of this rebel-held patch is only 40-50 miles wide, with MH17 approaching on a southeastern route over Horlivka, the frontline of this rebel-held zone, towards Snezhnoye (Snizhne). Cruising at 58o mph (933 kmph), MH17 would have only been visible for a very short time – just over 1 minute (if Kiev had not ordered MH17 to alter its course and altitude then it would not have been visible at all), from the vantage point of the alleged rebel firing position. According the Jane’s Defense, the alleged cluprit – an SA-11 (NATO code name) or ‘BUK’ missile system, requires 5 minutes set-up active targeting, followed by an additional 22 seconds ‘reaction time’ for target acquisition and firing. As the MH17 was only visible for 70 seconds above this rebel-held area surrounding Grabovo, unless the alleged rebel firing position was specifically tracking MH17 long before it entered the rebel-held airspace and could distinguish it from other military civilian aircraft also in the general vicinity, Washington’s theory and Kiev’s accusation – that rebels shot down this aircraft becomes even weaker.

Considering these factors, the probability increases greatly that targeting MH17 would have had to be premeditated far in advance of the 70 seconds it was visible above this particular rebel-held area.

Russian Satellite Data and Public Presentation

On Monday, the Russian government, with almost every major global media outlet in attendance, released all of its air traffic data and satellite imaging data (in fact, only part of it) – all verifiable, including time stamps and supporting data. The entire content of the presentation was also handed over to the European authorities. The conclusions to be drawn from this are stunning, to say the least. Despite the public release of this information, US and British media outlets did report back to its people on these findings. They are as follows:

Minutes before the downing of MH17, the plane made a mysterious ‘Left Turn’ as it flew over the Donetsk area at approximately 5:20pm Moscow time, making a sharp 14km deviation, before attempting to regain its previous course before dropping altitude disappearing from radar at 5:23pm. As we previously pointed out, air traffic controllers in Kiev had already diverted MH17 200 miles further north into the target zone, so the question remains: was Kiev ATC also responsible for this final, fatal diversion, or is there another reason for this unusual turn (see ‘Mysterious Left Turn’, below)?

According to clear satellite images provided, on July 16th, the Ukrainian Army positioned 3-4 anti-aircraft BUK M1 SAM missile batteries close to Donetsk. These systems included full launching, loading and radio location units, located in the immediate vicinity of the MH17 crash site. One system was placed approximately 8km northwest of Lugansk. In addition, a radio location system for these Ukrainian Army missile batteries is situated 5km north of Donetsk. On July 17th, the day of the incident, these batteries were moved to a position 8km south of Shahktyorsk. In addition to this, two other radio location units are also identified in the immediate vicinity. These SAM systems had a range of 35km distance, and 25km altitude.

From July 18th, after the downing of MH17, Kiev’s BUK launchers were then moved away from the firing zone.

Unlike rebel fighters, the Ukrainian military is in possession of some 27 BUK missile systems capable of bringing down high-flying jets, and forensic satellite imagery places at least 3 of their launchers in the Donetsk region on the day of this tragedy. Yet, Washington and NATO will not inquire about the possibility that any of these system had targeted MH17.



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Read more: MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed False Flag

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Kiev Source: Ukraine Accidentally Shot Down MH17 During Exercises

new Saturday 26th July 2014 at 09:55 By david-icke





‘A source within the Ukrainian defense department claims that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was accidentally shot
down by Ukrainian troops during a military exercise in near Donetsk which took place on July 17.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise
of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking
and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source told RIA Novosti.

Although actual use of the rockets was not intended, they were accidentally fired off when two Sukhoi Su-25
combat aircraft flew parallel with but at a different altitude than the Boeing 777, claims the source. When the
three aircraft merged and became a single dot on the missile ‘s radar system, the Buk-M1 automatically chose
the larger target, leading to the demise of MH17.’

Read more: Kiev Source: Ukraine Accidentally Shot Down MH17 During Exercises


http://www.prisonplanet.com/kiev-sou...exercises.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Cidersomerset]

Obama’s Ukrainian Ploy Collapses; Ukraine Now Seeks Direct U.S. Bailout

new Saturday 26th July 2014 at 09:50 By david-icke





‘The Ukrainian leadership has resigned, because of their unwillingness to impose the IMF’s terms, which
would impoverish the population within months. That impoverishment would be extracted from the Ukrainian
public in order to repay the IMF’s loans, which had been skimmed off by Ukraine’s oligarch billionaires into
secret bank accounts in Switzerland and other tax-havens.’

Read more: Obama’s Ukrainian Ploy Collapses; Ukraine Now Seeks Direct U.S. Bailout

http://rinf.com/alt-news/featured/ob...t-u-s-bailout/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Cidersomerset]

AP Reporter Clashes Again with US State Dept ‘Is there a YouTube video you can back that up with?’

new Saturday 26th July 2014 at 08:53 By david-icke





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Saturday 26th July 2014 at 09:57 By david-icke

[KiwiElf]

MH17 and America’s Deceitful Game
Friday, July 25th, 2014 | Posted by Gordon Duff

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07...eceitful-game/

America claims “evidence is being tampered with.” Who would know better than America? After 9/11, the evidence, not just the dirt itself, enriched with uranium and plutonium, taken to a landfill, but the scant remains of the twin towers, sold to China, never to be examined but in passing.

America is playing a double game, crying out about tampered evidence in order to maintain deniability when the evidence turns against them. There have been thousands of photos of the crash site of MH317 but, curiously no overhead photos of the wreckage field, covering more than a square mile.

Huge sections of wing, fuselage and interior, untouched and pristine, scatter the countryside. Secretary Kerry was silent when it was learned that the video Kiev had released of the crash had been fabricated. Fabricating a video is not “tampering” to Kerry.

WHAT AMERICA HAS TO HIDE

The large pieces of wreckage, untouched by flame, undamaged by missile fragments, real or imaginary, are “slam dunk” proof that MH17 was torn apart at 33,000 feet from the inside. You see, MH17 took off from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, a facility controlled by ICTS, a company established by former Israeli Shin Bet members. They have put bombs on planes before.

Back in 2009, a young learning disabled son of a wealthy Nigerian banker, close associate of the CIA and business partner with Israeli firms now tied to Boko Harum, landed in Schiphol Airport. There, he was met by ICTS security and taken through an aircrew security door so that he wouldn’t be held in immigration detention. You see, he had no passport, no visa, no luggage, no money and had not changed clothing nor bathed in weeks.

ICTS furnished young Umar Mutallab with a bomb, walked him through the airport, around security checkpoints and directly onto a US bound plane, seating him in exclusive VIP first class.

Back in 2009, when our Israeli friends placed a bomb on a Detroit bound plane, attorney Kurt Haskell was watching. He reported it to the FBI, especially how he saw ICTS personnel place Mutallab on the plane, helping him avoid security checkpoints. Haskell was an eye witness. Here is Haskell’s story:

“With jury selection set to begin in the Underwear Bomber Trial set to begin tomorrow, I’ve spent the evening reminiscing about Christmas Day 2009 and the 21 months since. The Underwear Bomber attack has fundamentally changed my life. Not in the way most would think, but it has destroyed any faith I’ve had in the U.S. Government, the media and this country as a whole. To say that I believe the government is corrupt and the media is complicit doesn’t fully explain my beliefs. Not only have I come to those conclusions, but I’ve witnessed that an ordinary person who sees something important can be silenced despite his efforts to spread the truth. Such is the Underwear Bomber case. I can do nothing but laugh at the TSA’s new policy of “If you see something say something.” That is exactly what I did, and not only did the U.S. Government not want to hear what I had to say, but it actively lied about it, attempted to get me to change my story, and hid, by withholding (secret government) evidence or putting a protective order on the evidence and nearly everything that would support my eyewitness account.”

This is the same America accusing others of withholding evidence. Should anyone be surprised when a plane leaves Schiphol Airport with a bomb on it? We saw America cover up 9/11. For those still in denial, the 2009 attempted terror bombing in Detroit should be enough.

But, it gets better. We are now told that “terrorists” are hiding the evidence. In today’s South China Post, a newspaper seemingly “Chinese” but in fact a CIA front, a highly biased and foundationless article attacking Russia was published. The photo they show are first responders in uniform, carrying body bags away from the scene, bodies that had, in fact, fallen a great distance from the crash site. You see, when a plane is destroyed by a “Schiphol bomb” at 33,000 feet, bodies aren’t conveniently “vaporized” as we saw with 9/11.

When the bodies aren’t picked up, the dead are disrespected. When they are picked up, “evidence is being tampered with.”

“WHO DUN IT”

The answer is easy. Terrorist crimes, as with any other crime, require “means, motive and opportunity.”

If Russia or Novorussian separatist downed the plane, something evidence at this point does not support, we see “means” and maybe even “opportunity,” something yet unproven. But there is no motive. When we look at a missile hit and look to the post-coup junta in Kiev, we have all three, means, motive and opportunity.

When we look at a bomb, the answer that fits the evidence, we only have to look to Schipol. There we find the Israeli backers of the Kiev junta, with a Gaza war to hide and wild conspiracy theories for the press and their political “creatures of the night.”

AS Kurt Haskell would tell you, they “do bombs” at Schipol. They did bombs in 2009, they put them on airliners. If they did it then, they are still doing it because the reason they did it then is the same reason they are doing it now. They have motive, tons of motive. Running security and with an established history of planting bombs on airliners, it is not a stretch to accuse them of doing it again. That’s opportunity, opportunity “in spaces.”

All that is left is to ask yourself, “could an Israeli security company come up with a bomb?” Then we only have to go back to 2009. Yes, that wasn’t a great bomb, but what bomb designed to fit in underwear is. This time they had an entire plane at their disposal.

Best of all, whatever is found, all they have to do is claim the evidence was tampered with. In fact they have already done so. Now we know why.

Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War that has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades and consulted with governments challenged by security issues. He’s a senior editor and chairman of the board of Veterans Today, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.

Short URL: http://www.veteranstoday.com/?p=312891

[Cidersomerset]

The David Icke Videocast: Problem-Reaction-Solution and Flight MH17

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ksXpHsnpCmc

Published on 25 Jul 2014


The David Icke Videocast can be delivered to your email every Sunday.

[bogeyman]

Wait for the investigators to look at the evidence, then you will know. It is a political game at the moment, and point scoring.

[Hervé]

MH 17 Satellite Photo shows 30 Miles of Debris Field of Bodies

By Stew Webb
Ex Special Forces Officer

Was it a Bomb that left 30 miles of Debris of the Malaysia Airliner? If it were a BUK Missile the plane would have exploded and hit the ground. Why did Bodies and luggage fall for 30 miles?

I commanded a HALO Detachment years ago. I made a 32K jump as part of a special project. I also jumped the SADM twice.

One must cover all skin from that altitude because of the cold. I had a NCO that did not do that, and had severe frostbite on the exposed flesh. That is over 3 minutes of free fall, most slowing down in the thickening air after terminal velocity.

My opinion is that the damage to the 777 was caused by an internal bomb. I could also have been a heavy duty ground to air missile. If the rear fuselage came off bodies would come out that were not restrained. They would tumble or spin and freeze. Freeze is blue. They would be strewn along the flight path of the aircraft. If living people came out, they would freeze and die, or if covered in some way, they would die from impact.

It would be interesting to see the imagery of the missile fired. It was shown on US TV from the side, but we know the reliability of Network news.

I have been looking for the picture of fused turbine blades in the exploded engine. That would be an anomaly.

If someone comes out of a plane at 33k feet, what effect will that have?

Would that lead to what people describe as bloated or blue?

Note the sat photo shows places where responders cross wheat fields to pick up bodies. Some may have been miles away…

Did Israel have Motive to blame Russia to get the world heat of their mass murders of the true Jews-Semites also known as Palestinians in the GAZA?
Who are the real Jews those who occupy Israel or GAZA?

• New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine
• Israel hit with EU War Crimes Sanctions
• Secret NSA Satellite Facility Located in Jerusalem
• Are American Jews incubating another Hitler?
• Ukrainian Su-25 fighter approached MH17
• The ECIPS Calls For Action Against War Crimes!
• AIPAC deploys its Senate 5th column for Israel
• Gaza-Who Will Speak for the Dead?
• NEO-Cold Case…MH17 faint echos of KALoo7 Shootdown
• I’d fire rockets at Israel, if I lived in Gaza
• Ukrainian Su-25 fighter approached MH17
• VT Education Series: Satellite Missile Detection Notes
• Satellite data on MH17 should be released: Analyst

Veterans Today Radio News Reports July 23, 2014 Stew Webb Wednesdays 1-3pm Eastern Time

[Cidersomerset]

Maria Harf ....The 'Dumbest' blonde in Washington ?
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State Dept finally admits humanitarian crisis in E.Ukraine, fails to prove artillery fire

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FCOae9VHuzs

Published on 26 Jul 2014


Amid the violence in E. Ukraine, more people have been fleeing the region.
The latest UN report puts the number of refugees at 250 thousand people.
But the shocking numbers don’t convince everyone. RT’s Gayane Chichakyan reports.

[Cidersomerset]

Since we have been touching on Gaza and other related subjects on this thread
i'l add this poigniont report from vetern channel 4 reporter Jon Snow on his return,
and the horrors he witnessed on his short assignment.


The children of Gaza I Channel 4 News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ACgwr2Nj_GQ

Published on 26 Jul 2014


Jon Snow recounts the scene in Gaza's al-Shifa hospital, where
doctors struggle to treat adults and children wounded by Israeli attacks

[SilentFeathers]

We seen a lot of clips of civilians being interviewed etc pertaining to the MH17, they are just everyday people caught in the middle, try to remember their faces as most of them will likely be killed in the coming weeks and months.

This is nothing less than ethnic cleansing or yes, genocide, like whats going on in Gaza....same thing, different faces. Quite sickening.

Ukraine Is Launching an Offensive to Retake Donetsk

Donetsk residents flee Ukraine fighting

If they start annihilating civilians in Donetsk (or any other city), Russia will be forced to respond. Putin is in a vice right now and a whole bunch of hands are squeezing it tighter, sooner or later he will snap.....and like I said earlier in this thread, out of all the worlds leaders he is about the most level headed and the most intelligent, which makes him a VERY dangerous opponent when the hammer comes down, and the hammer is coming down. I don't see him being as idiotic and reckless as these bloodthirsty greedy western leaders are...I'm sure he's already got a plan ready for just about everything.

I personally think we are seeing world war 3 in the making....

Added:

Interesting article:

MH17: Sacrificed Airliner. “The New Cold War”

[Tesseract]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Maria Harf ....The 'Dumbest' blonde in Washington ?
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Not dumb, but a firm Zionist, and an all-knowing part of the propaganda machine. US Hegemony on the back of a brain-washed public is clearly her objective.

[sigma6]

Posted by Manuel (here)
What about all the people that died on this flight?
Have we all seen the return of all the bodies to the Netherlands?
And the respect they get at last, after all that's been happenning...
Let's not forget this please.

Sorry i don't post much like some of you do and it's been a while...
I just didn't want this topic to just be about the why's how's and etc...

It's about the people and all their loved ones...

English is not my first laungage? sorry.

Nope 80 bodies missing, that one Youtube that purposely flashed the double headed eagle and then there was the "make me want to cry" speech from that Dutch guy that "we should all screw Russia over" tells me that they are part of a satanic cult pulling another Sandy Hook, ie. If this was faked and if they put already dead bodies, then we need some players. People willing to (for a free house) say they lost a family member, for the elites this is like dropping a couple pennies in the well) Just like Sandy Hook.

And what if, just like Sandy Hook, those are all faked identities, like the fake toys and the fake passports. And who else would do this but families of these Freemason cults and Satanists. Let's face it, the Satanists are now being exposed and people are actually waking up and starting to take notice of them. And they are not as nice as all the TV media crap is trying to portray them (God have we descended into the toilet these last few decades) They may be feeling the pinch and mobilizing as well. So the PTB could have endless list of people willing to pretend they had family members that never existed, This is all possible because they control many government positions...

This is falling apart faster then any false flag in history. This is a good sign