False Flag Alien Threat To Frame The ETs As Enemies

[Snowbird]

Posted by Galaxy (here)
and you trust these people?

Absolutely!

[timerty]

If the aliens could disable nuclear missile silos, then they could also disable everything in military and government bases worldwide, then they will hijack the media(as they said they would) to play a message like this--

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8XLKb8id0Us

[Ross]

What if they already run the media...the entire world systems, perhaps what we see, are only minions at work...?

[Snowbird]

Posted by Ross (here)
What if they already run the media...the entire world systems, perhaps what we see, are only minions at work...?

Ross, who do you mean by they? There are as many different types of off-planet groups of extraterrestrials as there are on-planet groups of both extraterrestrials and humans and hybrids. We are surrounded by extraterrestrials from off this planet earth. They reside in various dimensions and come and go at will. We normally cannot see them unless and until they decide to make themselves visible.

They're here and have been here for a very long time.

I interpret your above statement as those off-planet beings who are not working toward universal peace and understanding, but whose ultimate goals are control and destruction. With this, I agree.

However, I also know that there exist millions of highly benevolent extraterrestrials in human form that are here specifically for our good and the good of Mother Earth.

[Carmody]

Yes, but..snowdood... you have to consider that the plan is to help to move mankind, overall, to a different point.

This ends up requiring that one who may know differently to not just reside in a space of knowing, but to be able to communicate that to those who do not, so the transition can be enabled.

What I'm saying is that rubber on the ground is needed. This means that in the context of all, your position of knowing has no reflection in this so called 'real world'. This should indicate to you that what is needed is a method of getting that across.

And... that will take more than willful statements on 'knowing'. Considerably more. So much 'more', ie an act of purposeful substantiation that crosses many areas of science, philosophy, and religion on/in the "real rubber on the road world".

What I'm saying is that to the casual reader, your statements on knowing, and the following points about aliens, dimensions, etc, they make you look like a nut to the average reader. Those people...They just can't 'get there', their minds simply bounce off of it. And you repeated points or statements on it don't help, in the slightest.

I know where you are coming from - I can extrapolate from your musings and statements. And, for the most part, dare I say... 'we' know where you are coming from.(the majority of forum members overall)

I am not the target audience. Those people who do not know or do not understand, those people are the target audience. And right now, the people you are trying to get something across to... your musings are simply bouncing right off them.

I'm hoping that you are trying to communicate something, not just get a reflection or affirmation of your point of existing. The entire thrust of my post centers around that, as a concept. If that is true, then your musings are extremely problematic for the target audience. The target audience that needs to understand this from all angles and conceptual basis. You are coming in at such a steep angle that you are bouncing right off their heads and back into deep space.

Coming forcefully at people with 'unsubstantiated facts' never works. Never has, never will. If you come at it gently as a point of potential..so someone can then look at a neutral presentation and then allow THEIR intellect to calmly (as no one forced an emotional condition on them in the delivery of the information) muse and probe the given concept, information and thoughts..that works nearly every time.

Forceful presentation of difficult data or personal belief systems has, for the very large part, never worked. Thus, coming at the general public with complex tales of giant complex alien and dimensional worlds,spaces and places... is only going to, from their eyes, stamp you with a giant 'fail' sticker.

I have a feeling that is not what you want.

[Snowbird]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Yes, but..snowdood... you have to consider that the plan is to help to move mankind, overall, to a different point.

I believe that during my last incarnation, somewhere off this Earth, I was a military snowdood. During this go-around, I am a snowdooda.

And yes, that consideration is of basic and utmost importance within the overall plan. A massive undertaking at that.

This ends up requiring that one who may know differently to not just reside in a space of knowing, but to be able to communicate that to those who do not, so the transition can be enabled.

What I'm saying is that rubber on the ground is needed. This means that in the context of all, your position of knowing has no reflection in this so called 'real world'. This should indicate to you that what is needed is a method of getting that across.

Up to a point on this thread, I was/am involved in mini-online conversations. At a point in time, a poster asked a pointed question. I answered that question which, is my opinion based upon my research and experiences. IF, the questioner had wanted or needed more information or direction from me, I would have been more than happy to oblige. However, I interpreted the question as more of a hit-and-run type of question. In answer to the intial question, I asked for clarification and instead, received an additional short question...which is the questioner's right. I answered accordingly.

What I'm saying is that to the casual reader, your statements on knowing, and the following points about aliens, dimensions, etc, they make you look like a nut to the average reader. Those people...They just can't 'get there', their minds simply bounce off of it. And you repeated points or statements on it don't help, in the slightest.

Of course to the average reader, anyone discussing something that they have little knowledge of or interest in, will make the discusser appear like a nut. For me, this is not the first time nor will it be the last. I am simply unable to offer linked articles or book quotes or radioshow channels for everything that I state...some of which, is my own opinion. I do have knowledge of quotes and article information and book information, etc. that I have studied over the years. I do not, however, have a mind that is capable of memorizing each and every minute reference for each topic/subject that I learn. I wish that I did.

And in addition, I have no idea from where a casual non-member poster is coming from. It is up to that poster to somewhat introduce him/herself and offer to us their level of understanding on any given subject. I have no idea how much they know or care to know. Or, to what extent they care to become involved in the subject matter.

I know where you are coming from - I can extrapolate from your musings and statements. And, for the most part, dare I say... 'we' know where you are coming from.(the majority of forum members overall)

My point, exactly.

I am not the target audience. Those people who do not know or do not understand, those people are the target audience. And right now, the people you are trying to get something across to... your musings are simply bouncing right off them.

I'm hoping that you are trying to communicate something, not just get a reflection or affirmation of your point of existing. The entire thrust of my post centers around that, as a concept. If that is true, then your musings are extremely problematic for the target audience. The target audience that needs to understand this from all angles and conceptual basis. You are coming in at such a steep angle that you are bouncing right off their heads and back into deep space.

And, if someone is shocked by or interested in something that someone writes on these threads, it is up to that one to investigate further and learn on their own. If they have a further question while posting, any one of us I'm sure, would be more than happy to offer a response. In short, I don't have a responsibility to explain every minute subject in detail for those who, I think, may or may not be reading stated information. They are responsible for asking the questions and performing their own research.

I have no target audience Carmody, with the exception of those to whom I am directly responding...such as Carmody.

Coming forcefully at people with 'unsubstantiated facts' never works. Never has, never will. If you come at it gently as a point of potential..so someone can then look at a neutral presentation and then allow THEIR intellect to calmly (as no one forced an emotional condition on them in the delivery of the information) muse and probe the given concept, information and thoughts..that works nearly every time.

Forceful presentation of difficult data or personal belief systems has, for the very large part, never worked. Thus, coming at the general public with complex tales of giant complex alien and dimensional worlds,spaces and places... is only going to, from their eyes, stamp you with a giant 'fail' sticker.

Coming forcefully at people with 'unsubstantiated facts'? Are you refering to my Absolutely response to a very pointed question?

I have a feeling that is not what you want.

I have to be very honest with you Carmody...I am not experiencing any wants or needs in this area of discussion.

[wynderer]

thanks for your well-presented thoughts on the likelihood of the staging of a false alien invasion, HH -- i don't have a TV but talking on the phone to a friend on the night of Christmas day -- he told me that Independence Day' was on the tube -- this at a time when most USAmericans are at home, & many watching TV -- so a big viewing audience -- i don't think it's by chance that that particular movie was selected for airing at that time

it could also be that friendly ETs are coming, & will be presented by TPTB as enemies -- this is what they do in general to whip humans up into a fighting/war frenzy -- it's worked for many many centuries

[jeannacav]

I agree, wynderer,

it could also be that friendly ETs are coming, & will be presented by TPTB as enemies -- this is what they do in general to whip humans up into a fighting/war frenzy -- it's worked for many many centuries

Recently I have watched Alex Collier again.
He is NOT channeling, (unless you think he is a liar) btw.

He has delivered many messages that he generally reads from his notes to be sure of their accuracy.

He told his audience in 1996 that by 2003 all the ET's from other planets and inside ours would be forced (by them) to leave so what we do ourselves can be assessed.

This is a frightening thing if it has happened like this, because it shows how enormous and powerful our fake ET's made by the military have become.

I am not sure I believe that effort was successful and I still see a big mix of many possibilities.
But, if it is true, we must be very wary.
The military ET's know us better than anybody because they ARE us. (we).
They have practiced what it takes to perpetrate a false flag and all the while they have advanced the lies and deceptions.
In fact we have hardly any baseline to calibrate our BS meters.

-----
I am realizing the bigger reason that so much of my life I have been hoodwinked and conned by all sorts of tricksters at all levels.
I am naive and trusting by nature, choosing to see the good - god in everyone.
This has been a very strong teaching life in this regard.
Right now, my confidence is not too great but my experience is there.
So, I will re-think my confidence.
Maybe I can stop shuttering when people say "Trust your instincts", and, "our intuition will tell us".

Perhaps I will be able to see the lies in time, and not trust the untrustworthy!!

thank you,

jeanna

[Humble Janitor]

Posted by wynderer (here)
thanks for your well-presented thoughts on the likelihood of the staging of a false alien invasion, HH -- i don't have a TV but talking on the phone to a friend on the night of Christmas day -- he told me that Independence Day' was on the tube -- this at a time when most USAmericans are at home, & many watching TV -- so a big viewing audience -- i don't think it's by chance that that particular movie was selected for airing at that time

it could also be that friendly ETs are coming, & will be presented by TPTB as enemies -- this is what they do in general to whip humans up into a fighting/war frenzy -- it's worked for many many centuries

The movie "The Battle of LA" or whatever it's called is similar to "Independence Day" as in it portrays ETs in a negative light. It's basically TPTB telling us what their next move is and that they're looking to pull on the fear strings once again.

[Snowbird]

Jeannacav - # 83

Recently I have watched Alex Collier again.
He is NOT channeling, (unless you think he is a liar) btw.

He has delivered many messages that he generally reads from his notes to be sure of their accuracy.

He told his audience in 1996 that by 2003 all the ET's from other planets and inside ours would be forced (by them) to leave so what we do ourselves can be assessed.

I think that he is/was referring to the negative ETs because there remain millions of benevolent ETs inside the Earth and others inside the oceans and still others in differing dimensions on Earth. Add to these, those lightworkers, etc. who have specifically come here on missions. And those who read this may be among those.

The problem with this assessment, is that the Earth's population has been inundated with the lingering malevolent orchestrations of those in the controlling groups around this globe.

This is where I can't help but envision some type of separation on the part of Mother Earth. I say this because the cleanup of the Earth will be virtually impossible to perform minus some type of delineation that does not allow these troublemakers to ever again step foot into the sandbox. Their heinous games are not our games, sayeth the people who care.

Jean, is this color better?

[Carmody]

I had to erase and then try again three times now. I did not want to seem negative.

The point is in fact that this forum is NOT just for the members to ramble on about every pie eyed wild and woolly inner reality that they might decide to share. Sure, that's part of it. But when posting, the point is that one should leave the speculation at home, unless they say that it is speculation. Flat out speculation, based on speculative writing from someone who was speculating.

If you want to help people, then stick to the points that they can get a grip on and do something with. Leave the wild and woolly stuff for when they can begin to understand how to look at it and to frame it. That stuff is not germane to the OP of the thread, IMO.

Right now, all the stuff with the dimensional aliens, "Orion this, Pleiadians that" spiritual this, spiritual that..all that is doing... is driving the original intent of the thread straight into the ditch.

And YES, you do want to help people and present the info in a way that is simplified, in the form of baby steps and has no fantastical extraneous crap attached to it. The subject is tough enough as it is.

Otherwise, why are you here?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

And perhaps those with a little expertise might, just might, be listened to?

[Carmody]

I really did not want to say what I said. I feel kinda ill from saying it, but it needed to be said.

This is a tough subject at best. The thread is about taking it to the streets as the streets is what it is all about. And people in the street don't understand and will not understand and will not listen to a damn thing about new age belly button mutterings.

True mutterings, or not, they serve no purpose but to turn away the very people that need to be engaged.

i myself engage in the mutterings and the staring of the bellybutton. That is obvious enough. But I have to temper my mutterings so they have some sort of connection to the real world as that is, IMO the entire point of the forum, in many ways. The idea is to help bridge the gap, from my recollection of the subject of the forum's intent.

Edit:
I most especially do not want to alienate anyone. I value all input and I do value the input on the subjects that most would turn from -the wildish speculations and the inner musings. That is the only place left I have to advance in. Gaining real information in those areas is tough, at best, but it's pretty darned far from from being a beginner subject -which the idea of a false flag alien landing would definitely be. Especially to the 99% of the victims of such an act would be. Those average people know and understand nothing of such heady and confusing subjects.

So please forgive me for my outburst, and I hope those who have indulged in such musings in this thread will understand...and stop.

[Snowbird]

Good morning Carmody!

I read your posts last night, but decided to wait until today to respond so that I am rested and have a clear head. I hope that you are feeling better.

The reason that I am here is to learn, to be informed, to participate and to offer new information when possible. I don't consider people who are just waking up as less-than or in need of my input unless and until I am asked for it. When these people are ready to learn, they will come and they will be prepared to read and begin to discern information.

I have to say that I know of no member who rambles on about every pie eyed wild and woolly inner reality that they might decide to share. By new age belly button mutterings, are you referring to the mention of dimensions and timelines and densities? That's new age? Most of those who post on this forum offer differing subjects, many of which stem straight from news articles. I have personally posted quite a number of those.

I think what is at issue here is that what we have all known and accepted in the past is becoming no longer valid. Many of our systems of information are falling away. This means that we now must gather information from sources other than what we are accustom to.

Where off-planet beings and ships are concerned, our information has to be gathered in a totally different way. I know that Spirit Wolf, for example, has much to add to these discussions. I personally wish that he would join in more than he does. I know from what I have read from his posts, that he has so much to offer. Spirit Wolf's expertise is but one very important aspect framing this issue. There are many others.

If people think that highly technologically advanced off-planet beings are not also, for the most part, spiritually advanced, they need to think again. Advanced technology is not the only aspect of these beings. They openly discuss dimensions and timelines and densities and stargates and love and bliss and joy and unity and oneness. These issues are part of their vocabulary.

This is the balance.

But I also think that you have brought up a very good point as far as those people who read these threads and may consider joining in. And where this subject of off-planet civilizations is concerned, this forum might consider opening a board that is specifically designed and maintained for those who are now waking up to what really is. Something like an ET-101 board. This would allow everyone to join in as we all keep the subject simple....but balanced.

[JoshERTW]

Posted by Harley Hawkins (here)
Hi All,
...
1. Whether true or not, reports similar to these will increase across the alternative
media (internet, YouTube, etc.). Gradually more and more will be circulated
until finally . . .

2. The "Nightly News" (MSM) makes a mention of it. At first (most likely) these
reports may be made "in-light-of" and/or with sarcasm.

3. In the news, there will be reports of other events, such as missile shut-downs
(we're all used to that by now!), Power Plant Facilities (Nuclear and Water
Dam) problems, etc, etc - All seemingly unrelated to ufo's at the time.
...
Many Blessings To All!

I think we have already seen these first three phases begin, somewhat in unison with one another - the Sept 27 "Disclosure" made mainstream press (it was broadcast live on CNN), Ancient Aliens is well into a second season, and you can constantly find little "tidbits" in the MSM - even that New York so called "weather balloon" UFO was on several major news stations (Fox included... which raises my brow a bit). The speed with which the "explaination" came down and the fact that it was blatantly the same old gov't line (it might have well been a weather balloon) shows me that they are certainly testing the water - I think public reaction (swift and vengeful across the whole internet - lots of testimony from witnesses about the nature of the objects in blogs etc. which contradicted the claims in the media / FAA response) is why they decided to issue an explaination at all rather than just LOL it away as the talk of crazy people.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Hiram (here)
I can state, without going into any more detail that what Harley has posted, this topic has validity and is a possible scenario that may be fast approaching.

Its not about real E.T.s, its concerning the possibility for manufactured, false-flag alien attack in order to galvanize the human race and throw them into passivity and chaos. Then the governments of the world step in and offer to protect us from this "Threat". The threat doesn't have to be real, only appear to be real.

TPTB get to remain in control for the time being, absolute control, something that (because of rapidly advancing technology in the public sector) they are fast losing in this day and time. They simply cannot allow this to happen.

The governments of the world must be the supreme authority for the people. There can be no other power for the people to turn to for help, THEY CERTAINLY must not think they can turn to themselves.

This false flag--carried out successfully--- will cement the power and control structure for a generation.

It behooves us to consider this.

Would it behoove them to shut down our only means of exposing the plot as it is happening by shutting down the internet? You know how things can go "viral" on the internet if enough people tell the truth. Look at how this Charles thing has taken on a life of it's own all over the internet.

[gripreaper]

Posted by ponda (here)
Say the bad guys show up.Are they going to appear as bad guys and then ask us if we want their help....probably not because everyone will assume that they are bad guys and are a threat to us.There are probably protocols in place that have to be followed.Just a guess.

It's kind of ironic. The "bad guys" decide that they will wait till the planet is trashed and humans have technology to take them out and"THEN" go in and try to take it over? If they wanted to come in here they would have already done it "before" we had any capability of response.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by AlkaMyst (here)
I had posted the following "Alien Invasion Movies Coming Out 2011/2012" on my blog and I think it correlates with your post.

I don't know if this is just me or just some newbie clue deprivation, but I cannot read those blog links. When I click on them, I get a rather inscrutable error message page:

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[granny]

Hi all ...

Am new to the board and just finding my way ....

Does anyone remember the demonstration on CNN on election night ... a holographic Jessica Yellin? Pretty bold display, but I have seen no others since that night.

Easily found on Google using "CNN holograph" Sorry I don't know how to include links yet.

granny

[StephenW11UK]

Hiram, Agreed, its not about real E.T.s; it is , as HH has stressed, about a false-flag event.

Having not been long a member here, I only learned of this thread this evening, courtesy Kerry. I have since read almost every post contributed. My position now is no different from what it had been for at least several months previously.

[1] positive ET's: even if they did appear, highly unlikely to appear disguised as an attacking hoard

[2] negative ET's: possible, but what could we do anyway, whether or not lots more people had already wakened up?

[3] it's a false-flag attack; in which case, our primary concern before it happens must be, wherever there's the hint of an opening, to squeeze in and try to get people to see what's likely to lie ahead..