Malaysian Plane MH17 shot down with over 295 on board. But by who?

[KiwiElf]

My hint at Tonkin Bay was based on Bill Cooper's (Behold a Pale Horse), claims that the Vietnamese War and false flag was really about the Elite recovering alien technology, which seems to be the real basis of many other false flag wars (as well as the nuclear "tests" at Bikini Atoll)... just a gut feeling, but I think a similar motive could be involved here - in addition to killing several other birds with one stone, so to speak - (and Iraq & Palestine for that matter). If so, Raiders of the Lost Ark is a good analogy

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
What bugs me with that "expert" report is that he considers that those alledged 30 mm "bullets/shells" entered and exited without doing what they where supposed to do on the lower part of the cockpit found in "Rozsypne," and if his hypothsis of "shot at from both sides" is to hold any water, then the two fighter/assault jets were firing at each other... somehow.

My reading is that the penetrating anti-tank shells went all the way through (apparently an airplane does not have the stopping power of a tank), but the splinter-explosive shells exploded inside the cockpit area.

Also I gather, from in part the graze on the wing, that it might be that both SU 25's were behind MH17, one on each side, firing forward over the wing at the nose of MH17. They would only be firing at each other if they were both flying directly toward the cockpit of MH17, from opposite sides, which seems rather unlikely.

[Hervé]

I found a better shot of that piece of wing (apparently the tail's horizontal stabilizers are made with carbon fibers):

... which seem to indicate that shots were fired from the back, left-side but when taking a closer look; the honey-comb foam doesn't look like it's been "pierced" by alleged "grazing shots"... and that would be more in favor of these holes being due to impact with ground...

Then, there is its counterpart, from the other wing, used as evidence that the projectiles came from the front...

Anyway, I'll keep lookin'...

[Hervé]

Témoignage de Michael Bociurkiw, un des premier experts de l’OSCE sur le site du MH 17

[Among the first OSCE experts on MH17 crash site, Michael Bociurkiw's testimony]

Il dit avoir vu des impacts ressemblant à des traces de mitraillage… (cf à 6’00 sur la vidéo), Source : CBC.ca

[He mentions having seen impacts looking like machine-gun holes ... (at ~ 06:00 in the video) {video not available anymore, at least from France, when posting}]

Lire aussi ici un bon papier d’Agoravox, très précis sur les questions, tout comme celui de Jacques Sapir.

***************************************************************

Well, looks like those pieces have been machine-gunned from inside... to me, anyway.

[Cidersomerset]

This interesting...........Not space lasers but aircraft lasers...

Lasers may allow civilian airliners to fend off missiles

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hJJ4ORDkCq4

Published on 31 Jul 2014


With the recent downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, many are
once again questioning what can be done to protect civilian aircraft
from missiles and other projectiles. The idea gaining the most traction
is equipping airliners with anti-missile defense systems mounted on
the belly of the crafts. Using lasers, the systems would lock onto
incoming projectiles and scramble their electronics, causing them to
explode a safe distance from the plane. RT’s Manila Chan takes a look
at the evolving technology and its implementation.

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Army looks at 3D printing warheads

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MVWKOy7yvQE

Published on 30 Jul 2014


3D printing may soon revolutionize warfare. The Army is working on a project
to “print” warheads, modernizing the manufacturing process of the complex
devices that have not dramatically changed since WWII. Allowing for intricate
designs to control “detonation physics,” blasts radiuses and other aspects of
the explosive capsules can be tailor-made for specific circumstances. RT’s
Meghan Lopez takes a look at the innovative plans


====================================================


Fractured Lives: Stories of those fleeing Ukraine's war

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G65eGPYznI8

Published on 31 Jul 2014


As fighting in E. Ukraine continues to escalate, over a thousand people have taken
shelter in a refugee camp across the Russian border in Gukovo. RT’s Roman
Kosarev listens to stories of those, who may have to seek a fresh start, away from
the violence.

[Cidersomerset]

Snowden’s asylum in Russia expires.....interesting timing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JHKIFXFB6Hg

Published on 31 Jul 2014


Whistleblower Edward Snowden’s asylum in Russia is set to expire Thursday,
and his future remains in question as the country considers his renewal request.
Fearing a return to the US would result in imprisonment and a sham trial, Snowden’s
supporters argue the only way he would consider returning to his home country is if
the government drops the espionage charges against him. RT’s Lindsay France takes
a look at the Snowden saga and what may be next.

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EU Raises the Stakes: New sanctions target Russia's biggest banks

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tZTTiGz6jZI

Published on 1 Aug 2014


The European Union has imposed sectorial sanctions on five Russian banks,
including the country’s biggest, Sberbank, as part of economic steps that
Europe, along with the US, have taken against Moscow over the crisis in Ukraine.
RT’s Peter Oliver reports. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/5k7mmf


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Putin To Betray, Sell Out Separatists In Merkel Deal?

Friday 1st August 2014 at 09:16 By david-icke





‘Germany and Russia have been working on a secret plan to broker a peaceful
solution to end international tensions over the Ukraine.

The Independent can reveal that the peace plan, being worked on by both Angela
Merkel and Vladimir Putin, hinges on two main ambitions: stabilising the borders of
Ukraine and providing the financially troubled country with a strong economic
boost, particularly a new energy agreement ensuring security of gas supplies.

More controversially, if Ms Merkel’s deal were to be acceptable to the Russians, the
international community would need to recognise Crimea’s independence and its
annexation by Russia, a move that some members of the United Nations might find difficult to stomach.’

Read more: Putin To Betray, Sell Out Separatists In Merkel Deal?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9638764.html

[Cidersomerset]

Kiev satellite images 'fake', taken days after MH17 crash - Russian Def Min

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fYZJYhVhw2s

Published on 1 Aug 2014


This latest punitive measures heaped on Russia follow the downing of Malaysian flight
MH17 a fortnight ago. It's still unclear exactly what caused the plane to crash killing all
298 on board. Russia was first to provide some evidence into what may have happened,
but Kiev claimed Moscow's satellite images were fabricated and released their own photos.
Russia's Defence Ministry now says Kiev's evidence is fake.

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Kiev may seek to remove Malaysia plane crash evidence: Russia

Friday 1st August 2014 at 05:47 By david-icke





‘Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations (UN) says Ukrainian authorities may be seeking to
“destroy evidence” that would implicate their role in the crash of a Malaysia Airlines plane in Ukraine.

Speaking at the UN headquarters in New York on Wednesday, Vitaly Churkin said that Ukrainian
President Petro Poroshenko pledged a ceasefire in the disaster area, “but this promise was
immediately broken, while Ukrainian officials have publicly announced a new task – to cleanse
of the militias and take control of this territory.”

Churkin further expressing concerns over the ongoing military operation in east Ukraine.’

Read more: Kiev may seek to remove Malaysia plane crash evidence: Russia

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07...rash-evidence/

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Kiev Deploys WMDs Against Eastern Ukraine

Friday 1st August 2014 at 09:19 By david-icke





‘Ukraine’s Kiev-based regime has deployed OTR-21 Tochka ballistic missiles
also known as SS-21 “Scarabs,” against the people of eastern Ukraine. The
missiles measure 6.4 meters in length and carry warheads of up to 454 kg,
making them without a doubt a weapon of mass destruction (WMD). Their
use was revealed by a CNN report released just as US President Barack
Obama announced that the US and EU would be issuing more sanctions
against Russia. C

N revealed that,“there were reports that Ukraine’s government in the past
48 hours used short-range ballistic missiles against the rebels, three U.S.
officials told CNN. The weapons have a range of about 50 miles (80 kilometers)
and pack up to 1,000-pound (454-kilogram) warheads.”

CNN would also claim, “another of the U.S. officials said using the missiles is
“an escalation, but Ukraine has a right to defend itself.”’

Read more: Kiev Deploys WMDs Against Eastern Ukraine

http://www.globalresearch.ca/kiev-de...kraine/5394185

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1 August 2014 Last updated at 20:03

Ukraine MH17: Air crash team finds human remains

A team of 70 Dutch and Australian forensic experts has found human remains at
the site of the flight MH17 crash in east Ukraine.

They made their discovery on their first full day of searching at the site, an area of
some 35 sq km (13.5 sq miles) inside the conflict zone.

Local search parties found 227 of the 298 victims earlier and they were flown to the
Netherlands for identification.

Presidents Obama and Putin discussed the crisis by telephone on Friday.

The US president told his Russian counterpart that he was "deeply concerned" over
his continuing support for pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

Both leaders did, however, agree that continuing fighting in Ukraine was not in the
interests of either country, the Kremlin said.

In the latest violence, 10 Ukrainian soldiers were killed near the MH17 crash site on Thursday.

The fighting between government troops and pro-Russian separatist rebels had
previously prevented the investigators reaching the area.

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 airliner came down on 17 July with the loss of all
298 passengers and crew, while flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.



OSCE spokesman at crash site

After Ukraine's military declared a unilateral one-day suspension of operations
against the rebels in Donetsk region on Thursday, an exploratory visit was made by
the forensic experts, followed by the full deployment on Friday.


Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28599315

[heyokah]

07/31/2014 - Vancouver, BC

In an ExopoliticsTV interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre, independent scientist Leuren Moret exposes both the methodology and motives of the false flag operation Malaysian Airlines MH17 as a highly coordinated but failed Jesuit false flag operation that used Ukrainian air traffic control on July 17, 2014 to divert flight MH17 over war zone Donetsk, while MH17 by Ukrainian air force interceptor that used an air to air missile to destroy one of MH17’s two engines.
As MH17 made a sharp left turn trying to stabilize, a Ukrainian BUK missile deployed two days earlier in the Donetsk area completed shooting MH17 down.
Immediately NATO controlled media began to blame Putin and Russian controlled rebels in the Ukraine.
On July 22, 2014, Russia released the full radar and other data that evidenced the above scenario as true.

The basic methodology of MH17 false flag is based on Operation Northwoods, a planned 1962 false flag proposed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Military which planned to shoot down civilian airliners over the USA, blame the Cuban Air Force, and provide a false pretext for a US invasion of Cuba.
Then President John F. Kennedy rejected the plan

Motives for MH17 False Flag

In her interview, Leuren Moret details the major motives for the flase flag, starting with the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines MH370 and MH17 as the bookends of the US government's "pivot to Asia".

The MH17 false flag was designed to:

•Set up Valdimir Putin as the patsy to the flase flag and brand Putin as an amoral aggressor;

•Attack and undermine a contemporary meeting of BRICS leaders in Brasilia after the World Cup to set up the BRICS central bank as a competitor to the US dollar;

•Divert public attention from the ongoing Israeli invasion of Gaza;

•Serve as part of a trigger-mechanism to a humanocidal WWIII, part of the Illuminati depopulation policy to reduce world population to as low as 500 million from 7 billion.

•By targeting Malaysia Airlines, warn other Asian nations against charting an independent economic course as Malaysia has done, and serving payback for the war crimes judgments against Illuminati nations United States and Israel by the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qwg7w8IE3hY

Report on MH17 False Flag (27 pages)

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peacein...-up-putin.html

****

Found this video on this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...el-spark-WWIII

Think it belongs here>

[Billy]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
What bugs me with that "expert" report is that he considers that those alledged 30 mm "bullets/shells" entered and exited without doing what they where supposed to do on the lower part of the cockpit found in "Rozsypne," and if his hypothsis of "shot at from both sides" is to hold any water, then the two fighter/assault jets were firing at each other... somehow.

My reading is that the penetrating anti-tank shells went all the way through (apparently an airplane does not have the stopping power of a tank), but the splinter-explosive shells exploded inside the cockpit area.

Also I gather, from in part the graze on the wing, that it might be that both SU 25's were behind MH17, one on each side, firing forward over the wing at the nose of MH17. They would only be firing at each other if they were both flying directly toward the cockpit of MH17, from opposite sides, which seems rather unlikely.

I agree with Paul here. Two Jets fired at the cockpit from the rear. Some of the Anti Tank shells enter one side and exit the other, From both sides. Some explode inside the cockpit as the article describes. Maybe this was after hitting one engine then they panicked as the plane changed course.

Then it was finished off when it descended either from a ground missile or a bomb placed inside the plane before hand.

I doubt we will ever know the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And like operator said. Why is it so quiet, the pilots bodies should be quite telling, No report from the black boxes as yet, I think Russia should have the chance to investigate the black boxes considering they are being blamed with no evidence, after Malaysia has had their chance. And no ID has come from Holland or Relatives of the bodies delivered there last week.

Posted by Billy (here)
From Peter Haisenko an expert in aviation who closely looked at the images of the wreckage that are circulating on the Internet.


http://www.anderweltonline.com/wisse...alaysian-mh17/





So what could have happened? Russia recently published radar recordings, that confirm at least one Ukrainian SU 25 in close proximity to MH 017. This corresponds with the statement of the now missing Spanish controller ‘Carlos’ that has seen two Ukrainian fighter aircraft in the immediate vicinity of MH 017.

And what has happened to poor Carlos. Whose Twitter account was closed after he posted his report.


The silence is deafening.

Peace

[Sophocles]

Just found this video at liveleak: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca0_1406907239

Text:

"What the heck is this!!!
They saying it is drone, but it more look like some kind cruise missile rocket!"

[jerry]

MH-17 Was In Fact The ‘Lost’ Flight MH-370
http://asheepnomore.net/2014/07/26/h...flight-mh-370/

[Hervé]

Same piece of wing to "prove" shrapnel came from opposite directions...

@Justin_Br0nk: 'PROOF': Shrapnel damage suggests an SA-11 proximity frag warhead may have exploded slightly below and ahead of #MH17's port wing, Royal United Services Institute analyst Justin Bronk said.

Jeroen Akkermans/RTL-4 Nieuws/Netherlands
http://graphics.wsj.com/mh17-crash-map/
The remains of the left wingtip, with visible signs of what appear to be shrapnel or puncture damage, sits severed from the rest of the wings, which fell and burned more than a half mile away.

... together with an engine which broke up at high altitude as well:

Alexander Kolyandr/The Wall Street Journal
http://graphics.wsj.com/mh17-crash-map/
Pieces of the under-wing pod that holds the right Rolls-Royce Trent 800 engine were found nearly 4.7 miles from Hrabove, where both engines were found. Photos of debris show the broken remains of the Rolls-Royce logo and indications of piercing damage.

So, both engines hit the ground with the bulk of the plane at the main crash site but the rest broke off that central part to the point of finding a pilot seat lost in some field:

A pilot seat at the crash site of MH17. Photo: Kate Geraghty

What's left is either jet fighters or bomb... or both.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by Sophocles (here)
Just found this video at liveleak: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca0_1406907239

Text:

"What the heck is this!!!
They saying it is drone, but it more look like some kind cruise missile rocket!"

If you just chek the update under the video, it specifies:

Update:
Credit go toeter Gibons and Ethicon!
It is Tupolev_Tu-143
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-143

[sigma6]

Kiev satellite pics FAKE

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fYZJYhVhw2s

[Cidersomerset]

An article about the coincidences or not of 'Numerology' in recent events.....


new Saturday 2nd August 2014 at 06:34 By david-icke




Air Algerie AH5017, Air France 447, Malaysian MH370 and MH17: Vanishing Aircraft, ‘Numerology’, and the Global Elite







‘We have been told by much of Western MSM that Air Algerie flight 5017 (hereinafter AH 5017)
and its 117 passengers (according to the airline) lost contact with the ground and subsequently
crashed in Mali on 7/24due to heavy weather.

A simple, tidy story that; and for all one knows the MSM soporific might even be true.

And yet, true to the times, meaningful questions remain.’


Via CNN on 7/24 we have:


“1:17 a.m. local time, Air Algerie Flight 5017 left Ouagadougou in Burkina Faso bound for Algiers.
It was supposed to be a four-hour overnight flight but about 50 minutes of takeoff, it disappeared
from radar over Mali close to a zone of ongoing conflict between Islamist rebels and the government.”

The Guardian chimed in on 7/29 with:


Radar recordings show the plane’s last contact at 1.47am local time. A witness reported seeing a
ball of flame in the crash area at about 1.50am, suggesting the tragedy happened in minutes.

One witness said it was “as if a bomb had fallen” on the desert, and that the plane had hit the
ground at a steep angle and at full speed, ruling out any attempt at an emergency landing.

Police investigators and gendarmes at the scene say the plane was “pulverised” and they have
found no bodies. Even finding traces of the victims – who included one Briton and 54 French
people, including entire families – is proving a challenge, with stifling heat alternating with
torrential rain in a remote area.

The Guardian’s reportage that the plane was pulverized echoed Le Monde’s7/26 assertion that
the wreckage was indicative of disintegration.

Matters are so compromised with respect to the status of bodily evidence that France now thinks
it could take from three to five months for forensic processes to produce the first identifications.

And then we have the facts that it took hours for airline and government officials to make AH
5017’s disappearance public, there were 51 French passengers, and France, declaring victory,
had very recently terminated Operation Serval (a counterterrorism adventure in Mali).

Finally, we have the pending performance on a France/Russia deal whereby Russia is to receive
delivery of two Mistral warships. Maybe certain elitist elements would rather see France breach
the contract?

Might the demise of AH 5017 be attributable to an act of terror, and might there be additional
links to the vanishing aircraft of MH 17, MH 370, and veryconceivably even Air France 447?
Newsweek on AH 5017:


“General Gilbert Diendere, head of Burkina Faso’s crisis cell, said radar data showed that the
plane appeared to try to fly around the bad weather before reverting to its initial course, which
took it back into the eye of the storm.

“Perhaps the pilot thought that he had completely avoided it and wanted to return to the original
route,” Diendere said, according to the website of French radio RFI. “The accident took place
while the plane performed this maneuver.”

Diendere said the last contact with the plane at its altitude of 10,000 meters was at 0147 GMT
and the crash was reported by witnesses to have taken place at 0150.


“That means that (plane) fell from an altitude of 10,000 meters to zero in about three minutes,
which is a steep fall given the size of the plane,” he added.”

10,000 meters is just about 33,000 feet, so, if the preceding sentence is true, AH 5017 lost
altitude at an average of 11,000 feet per minute before being ostensibly destroyed.

The same thing happened to Air France 447.

A quick refresher on that flight from the Huffington Post:


“On the evening of May 31, 2009 [it was in the early hours of 6/1/2009 that the flight went
missing], 216 passengers and 12 crew members boarded an Air France Airbus 330 at Antonio
Carlos Jobim International Airport in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The flight, Air France 447, departed
at 7.29 p.m. local time for a scheduled 11-hour trip to Paris. It never arrived. At 7 o’clock the
next morning, when the aircraft failed to appear on the radar screens of air traffic controllers
in Europe, Air France began to worry and contacted civil aviation authorities. By 11 a.m., they
concluded that AF447 had gone missing somewhere over the vast emptiness of the South Atlantic.

How, in the age of satellite navigation and instantaneous global communication, could a
state-of-the art airliner simply vanish? It was a mystery that lasted for two years.”

Air France 447, like MH 370, MH 17, and AH 5017 also “vanished without a word from the crew.
” Perhaps, then, the official report regarding Air France 447, which explained the affair in terms
of heavy weather, a high altitude stall, and pilot error also happens to more or less describe what
occurred with AH 5017?

Then again, it was reported regarding Air France 447 that:


“Two pilots of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Lisbon saw a bright flash of light in the area where Flight
447 went down, the Madrid-based airline told CNN. The pilots have turned in their report to authorities.

“Suddenly, we saw in the distance a strong and intense flash of white light, which followed a descending
and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds,” the captain wrote in the report.

The flash of light contributes to the theory that an explosion is what brought down Flight 447, which
was carrying 228 people from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.”

To be sure, these reports have gone down the memory hole.

Intrepid readers will have little difficulty locating other disturbing claims about Flight 447, but to be honest
it’s difficult to decisively separate mere rumors from plausible alternative accounts.

Be that as it may, what follows may amount to nothing more than a mirage of coincidences (some of them
possibly forced)—but it might also suggest something quite significant.

“Numerology”

An earlier contribution to Global Research on the subject of MH 17 stated:


Next, here are a few other curious tidbits. The flight 17 crash shares an anniversary with the demise of
TWA 800, which AT’s own Jack Cashill has compellingly argued was, in fact, brought down by a missile
on July 17, 1996 and subsequently covered up by the US government. And, the maiden flight of flight
17 occurred in 1997 on the date of, you guessed it, July 17.

[Moreover Russia's last ruling monarch of the Romanov family Tsar Nicholas II, together with his wife
Tsarina Alexandra and their five children Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei were executed on
17 July 1918. Subliminal message to Putin? No doubt it's another "coincidence"]

So “17s” are everywhere. To be sure, though, each of the items in the last paragraph is easily ranged
under the heading “coincidence.”

With respect to AH 5017, we obviously encounter “17” again in the number of the flight. And, we have
the fact that the flight left at 1:17 AM. Plus, some early reports indicated 117 passengers.

In a related vein, as previous quotes show, “7s” and “11s” seem to reverberate around facts pertaining
to Air France 447 and AH 5017. And, MH 370 was lost on 3/7/2014 at 17:20 UTC.

Of course, many other numerical facts connected with the three flights have nothing to do with 7s, 11s, or 17s.

It is unquestionably easy to get carried away with this sort of thing; one very serious problem is that in
the absence of a consistently applied, rationally based rule for combining digits and assigning times, it is
easy to mold phenomena so as to reach conspiratorial conclusions when nothing obtains other than
coincidence (and perhaps not even that).

In short, we do not want to consume witches’ brews or magicians’ potions; instead, we should ask whether
there might be scientifically sensible reasons as to why intelligence enterprises and their associates might
want to play numerological games.

Rare events and events that are meaningfully singular in their description (such as the vanishing of MH 370)
are next to impossible to predict statistically, especially if one is attempting to predict the precise time, date,
and place of occurrence (almost by definition there’s not enough data to support valid statistical analyses).
It is just such “black swan” events, though, that often exert the greatest, and most reverberating, impacts
on global dynamics. Because such events are difficult to predict even with a great deal of information in hand,
they are difficult to prevent—even with a tremendous amount of information.

With these thoughts in mind, consider that when singular, rare events such as plane vanishings that receive
intensive coverage take place, the threshold geopolitical question is really whether the occurrence was
accidental or in some way planned. It is here that “numerological” factors may come into play. It may be
that the numerological properties of events can function as ways of indicating human agency, even though
such agency will, of necessity, be invisible to algorithms and associated databases. If human consciousness,
on the basis of ironically non-quantifiable meaning, considers an event to be too significant to perfunctorily
ascribe to an accident, it will react accordingly even if the “data” and surface authorities (such as certain
visible bureaucrats and news anchors with far more proximate connections to the public) say otherwise.

If these ruminations are accurate, it may be that the degree of brazenness of “numerological” ties functions
as a measure of the danger we confront. Surface authority, in spite of its nearly universal mathematical
illiteracy, has been successfully conditioned to believe that the only measures of scientific significance are
those that can be quantified. Therefore, it is blind to many potential indications of agency that could
indicate covert conflict.

However, had a flight numbered 7077 crashed on 7/7/2014 after having disappeared from radar at
7:07 PM, even surface authorities might have been forced to acknowledge design—even if they were
told in so many terms by deep authority that “Big Data” could not back it up. Since even the dimwits
of surface authority would be talking design, the risk of overt hot war would rise substantially. It is for
reasons such as these that the rather glaring 17s surrounding MH 17 are unsettling.

The Global Elite

Now consider these utterly bizarre remarks made by none other than IMF chief Christine Lagarde at a
1/15/2014 National Press Club speech:


“Now, I’m going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven, okay?
Most of you will know that seven is quite a number in all sorts of themes, religions. And I’m sure that
you can compress numbers as well. So if we think about 2014, all right, I’m just giving you 2014, you
drop the zero, 14, two times 7. Okay,that’s just by way of example, and we’re going to carry on.
(Laughter) So 2014 will be a milestone and hopefully a magic year in many respects. It will mark
the hundredth anniversary of the First World War back in 1914. It will note the 70thanniversary,
drop the zero, seven– of the Breton Woods conference that actually gave birth to the IMF. And it
will be the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, 25th, okay. It will also mark the seventh
anniversary of the financial market jitters that quickly turned into the greatest global economic
calamity since the Great Depression. The crisis still lingers. Yet, optimism is in the air. We’ve left
the deep freeze behind us and the horizon looks just a bit brighter. So my hope and my wish for
2014 is that after those seven miserable years, weak and fragile, we have seven strong years.
I don’t know whether the G7 will have anything to do with it, or whether it will be the G20. I certainly
hope that the IMF will have something to do with it.”

Can anyone recall the last time a global elitist of the stature of Lagarde made such bombastic
reference to numerological notions during a speech, whether “jokingly” or not? That someone
like her would even speak in such terms is decidedly odd—conceivably even
unprecedented—irrespective of the particulars.

Aside from the very audacity of even mentioning numerology, the key 1/15/2014 language
may very well be the G7/G20 wording; Lagarde states the alternative pretty starkly in terms
of either/or but not both—and the G20 does not include Russia.

Dr. Jason Kissner is Associate Professor of Criminology at California State University. Dr. Kissner’s
research on gangs and self-control has appeared in academic journals. His current empirical
research interests include active shootings. You can reach him atcrimprof2010@hotmail.com.



Read more: Air Algerie AH5017, Air France 447, Malaysian MH370 and MH17: Vanishing Aircraft,
'Numerology', and the Global Elite

http://www.globalresearch.ca/air-alg...-elite/5394526

[Hervé]

Anyone having any idea if this is a piece of a B-777 and if so, which part?

... KiwiElf?

http://vilaghelyzete.blogspot.fr/2014/07/lovedekek-utotte-nyomok-malaj.html

Looks more like a rusted car's engine hood to me... but... 'been known to be wrong...

[heyokah]

I think I might post this one here as well. (from this thread)

****

07/31/2014 - Vancouver, BC

In an ExopoliticsTV interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre, independent scientist Leuren Moret exposes both the methodology and motives of the false flag operation Malaysian Airlines MH17 as a highly coordinated but failed Jesuit false flag operation that used Ukrainian air traffic control on July 17, 2014 to divert flight MH17 over war zone Donetsk, while MH17 by Ukrainian air force interceptor that used an air to air missile to destroy one of MH17’s two engines.
As MH17 made a sharp left turn trying to stabilize, a Ukrainian BUK missile deployed two days earlier in the Donetsk area completed shooting MH17 down.
Immediately NATO controlled media began to blame Putin and Russian controlled rebels in the Ukraine.
On July 22, 2014, Russia released the full radar and other data that evidenced the above scenario as true.

The basic methodology of MH17 false flag is based on Operation Northwoods, a planned 1962 false flag proposed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Military which planned to shoot down civilian airliners over the USA, blame the Cuban Air Force, and provide a false pretext for a US invasion of Cuba.
Then President John F. Kennedy rejected the plan

Motives for MH17 False Flag

In her interview, Leuren Moret details the major motives for the flase flag, starting with the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines MH370 and MH17 as the bookends of the US government's "pivot to Asia".

The MH17 false flag was designed to:

•Set up Valdimir Putin as the patsy to the flase flag and brand Putin as an amoral aggressor;

•Attack and undermine a contemporary meeting of BRICS leaders in Brasilia after the World Cup to set up the BRICS central bank as a competitor to the US dollar;

•Divert public attention from the ongoing Israeli invasion of Gaza;

•Serve as part of a trigger-mechanism to a humanocidal WWIII, part of the Illuminati depopulation policy to reduce world population to as low as 500 million from 7 billion.

•By targeting Malaysia Airlines, warn other Asian nations against charting an independent economic course as Malaysia has done, and serving payback for the war crimes judgments against Illuminati nations United States and Israel by the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qwg7w8IE3hY

Report on MH17 False Flag (27 pages)

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peacein...-up-putin.html

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Anyone having any idea if this is a piece of a B-777 and if so, which part?

... KiwiElf?

http://vilaghelyzete.blogspot.fr/2014/07/lovedekek-utotte-nyomok-malaj.html

Looks more like a rusted car's engine hood to me... but... 'been known to be wrong...

No, certainly not a car hood ... it's not painted. The pictures seem to be different, not only zoomed in.
In the most detailed picture the metal is visible all around the black foam or rubber blocks.
So somebody messed with that evidence (if it is from the crash).

If it is from the plane I guess that it is from the galley. There is a lot of stainless steel there.
The 2 beams look weird, as if they were factory cut by a machine that way.

[Hervé]

Posted by Operator (here)
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No, certainly not a car hood ... it's not painted. The pictures seem to be different, not only zoomed in.
In the most detailed picture the metal is visible all around the black foam or rubber blocks.
So somebody messed with that evidence (if it is from the crash).

If it is from the plane I guess that it is from the galley. There is a lot of stainless steel there.
The 2 beams look weird, as if they were factory cut by a machine that way.

The way I looked at it was :

Top grey-blue paint, blue-green undercoat/primer visible via scratches of top coat, rusted darker patches underneath it all... might possibly be carbon fiber though...

If from the crash, then that guy with the diamond circular saw has been busy

[SilentFeathers]

Many of these holes I've seen in the several photos posted in this thread almost look to me as if they are "bullet holes", such as 30 or 50 cal., but I am no expert. (those fighter jets are surely equipped with machine guns are they not?) Some holes and tears look to be from shrapnel. Looks as if this thing may have went through a turkey shoot and possibly a missile strike, and somehow catastrophically exploded in mid air like flight 103 did, perhaps by an onboard bomb or being torn open by machine gun fire and possibly also a missile....or by all three causes at the approx. same time. Either way, in my opinion, this flight was never meant to reach it's intended destination.

I'm also figuring no one will ever know what really happened....

[Cidersomerset]

Press Free-doomed: RT’s video agency producer kicked out of Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mN49AXJhonk

Published on 2 Aug 2014


A producer for RT’s RUPTLY video agency has been ordered to leave Ukraine
after local authorizes learned that she holds both American and Russian citizenships.
The journalist says she has been forced out of the country because of her “Russian passport”.
READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/pwe0x4


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A very good interview talking about media manipulation and how young
journalists that come out of university full of dreams, soon become
another casualty to the mainstream agendas......


Going Underground: John Pilger talks Gaza, Ukraine & Western media bias

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=41YTAZHIWN8

Published on 2 Aug 2014


Afshin Rattansi goes underground with filmmaker and author John Pilger
as he challenges Western mainstream media spin. He warns that ‘to be
informed by it is not an option’ because of censorship, omission and
distortion of the facts. Whilst other stories overtake it, we find out the
death toll in Libya is still rising. We discover why illegal immigrants were
prevented from smuggling themselves OUT of Britain. We look at whether
Cameron is privatising the NHS by selling it to doctors and nurses. And as
the IDF offensive on Gaza continues, are media attitudes softening whilst
those of the government harden?

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Shelling, lack of water, power cuts: E.Ukraine faces humanitarian catastrophe

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_hye7LWRkYY

Published on 2 Aug 2014


The Ukrainian army is pressing on with its advance on the capitals of two self-
proclaimed republics in the east of the country. Towns and villages in the regions
are the scenes of constant shelling and battles.

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‘Wrong time, altered images’: Moscow slams Kiev’s MH17 satellite data

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=d5_FdBqvCcQ

Published on 1 Aug 2014


Satellite images Kiev published as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries
around the crash site of Malaysia Airlines carry altered timestamps and are from
days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry has revealed. Russian
Ambassador to the United Nations accused Ukrainian officials of destroying the
evidence that would expose their involvement in shooting down the Boeing 777. RT’s Irina Galushko takes a look at the competing claims of who brought down the
plane