REVERSING THE FLOW of Troubles - What can we do?

[wnlight]

From your list (thank you, Guy Fox) I vote for a combination of (1) Fighting dark energies with Love and (2) Shed Light on the secrets - No "hidden hands". I do not like the "White Hat secret society approach" because it can be too easily infiltrated and manipulated.

I look at ghostrider's list and sigh. It's a good list except for the missing abolishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. However, not one of the items on the list can be accomplished vie the ballot box. The dark powers control our ballots and our legislatures and our police. I sigh and think that maybe Thomas Jefferson's idea of frequent revolutions is right. But I am not a violent person, so I stand with my original choices.

All we need is love -- and light.

[GuyFox]

Thanks, WN-Light

Like you, I believe things have not reached the point where we can only succeed through a rival secret society. And I think you are right, that such an organisation might be quickly and easily co-opted by the existing power structure. (I cannot forget David Icke's observation: "The lie is different at every level." - so you might think you are working for the good of your fellow man, and discover later the organisation is being subverted by secret and corrupt leadership.)

I think it was Catherine Austin-Fitts, who said that "Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant", and only through greater transparency can we free ourselves from the clutches of the secret cabal(s).

I want to avoid violence, since violent acts can be used as an excuse to clamp down on those who are fighting for their freedom. And if people are angry enough, a mob can be easily tricked into violent acts. (Maybe you heard Ole Dammegard talk about how he saw the risk of this during recent Bilderberg meeting in Copenhagen. By exposing the possible plot early, he may have prevent the trouble.)

[GuyFox]

Posted by Deega (here)
...what kind of organization do you put up. What is the means of exchange do we used, do we have organizations similar to bank that would harmonized the in and out of the Monetary Mass necessary to promote exchange and economic growth?, even if we want to devised another system of exchange, what would that be? One see that it ain't so an easy going to Reversed the actual system we are in.

As we all know, the Systems are dispersed in all the field (Education, Transport, Monetary, Social Services, etc.) of Society, so if you want to Reversed the actual Systems (Worldly), we have to plan actions in all the fields of Society, hmm!, that is a great challenge, how may we do this, our lifespan is approximately 80 years, is time on our side..?, I don't think so!.

We need not always think of the Big, Big Picture.
Sometimes we can be effective just by attacking a smaller problem, and fixing that - to demonstrate to neighbors and local people that you have the ability to improve the quality of life within your community.

One of my hot buttons is Cars - and especially in the USA.
I think America is FAR TOO CAR DEPENDENT. On one of my most radical days of thinking about this problem, I might say something like:

"If you see someone moving by you in an automobile, keep in mind: He/she is a thief, stealing limited resources from your children and grandchildren... and the people of this planet."

This point of view is probably too radical for most here, but I wanted to expose you to it, since some people outside the USA do think this way, and are not happy to see per capita US gasoline consumption in the US at 3X that of Europe, and almost 10X the average in China. A day may come when you hear more radical opinions, even stronger than the one I have just expressed. But let's avoid a debate from this extreme-sounding point of view - and stick with something simpler, and less controversial...

Here's a good podcast, where Chuck Marohn of StrongTowns.org interviews a sensible woman who is running pedestrian advocacy group:



Show 177: Sally Flocks from PEDS
MP3 : http://www.strongtowns.org/strong-to...from-peds.html

Sally Flocks of the Atlanta-based pedestrian advocacy group PEDS joins the podcast this week to talk about Atlanta, pedestrian advocacy and strategies for making places more walkable.

There's a wonderful segment at about XX minutes in, where Chuck spoke about how he had installed cones and flags to make a pedestrian crossing safer. And some city official told him: "You are going to have to take those signs down, since there may be safety issues." WHAT? It seems that some see anything that slows traffic as a crime. And almost no one in car-addicted US cities and towns is looking after the safety needs of pedestrians and cyclists.

We can change that, by working within our own local communities - as Sally Flocks has done. And as people walk and cycle more, and rid themselves of (expensive) cars, people become less dependent on the energy globalists, and less attached to the endless war economy. (Remember what VP Cheney once said:: "The US lifestyle is non-negotiable." The conceit and arrogance of this statement - coming from a man who a big beneficiary of resource wars all his life, should have made clear what an enemy he was to the cause of ordinary people on our planet.)

Battling these "smaller" causes at a local level, and winning over your neighbors to positive change is a great way to begin to change the world, and make your community less dependent on the global villains that are manipulating us all.

[Deega]

Posted by GuyFox (here)

Posted by Deega (here)
...what kind of organization do you put up. What is the means of exchange do we used, do we have organizations similar to bank that would harmonized the in and out of the Monetary Mass necessary to promote exchange and economic growth?, even if we want to devised another system of exchange, what would that be? One see that it ain't so an easy going to Reversed the actual system we are in.

As we all know, the Systems are dispersed in all the field (Education, Transport, Monetary, Social Services, etc.) of Society, so if you want to Reversed the actual Systems (Worldly), we have to plan actions in all the fields of Society, hmm!, that is a great challenge, how may we do this, our lifespan is approximately 80 years, is time on our side..?, I don't think so!.

We need not always think of the Big, Big Picture.
Sometimes we can be effective just by attacking a smaller problem, and fixing that - to demonstrate to neighbors and local people that you have the ability to improve the quality of life within your community.

One of my hot buttons is Cars - and especially in the USA.
I think America is FAR TOO CAR DEPENDENT. On one of my most radical days of thinking about this problem, I might say something like:

"If you see someone moving by you in an automobile, keep in mind: He/she is a thief, stealing limited resources from your children and grandchildren... and the people of this planet."

This point of view is probably too radical for most here, but I wanted to expose you to it, since some people outside the USA do think this way, and are not happy to see per capita US gasoline consumption in the US at 3X that of Europe, and almost 10X the average in China. A day may come when you hear more radical opinions, even stronger than the one I have just expressed. But let's avoid a debate from this extreme-sounding point of view - and stick with something simpler, and less controversial...

Here's a good podcast, where Chuck Marohn of StrongTowns.org interviews a sensible woman who is running pedestrian advocacy group:



Show 177: Sally Flocks from PEDS
MP3 : http://www.strongtowns.org/strong-to...from-peds.html

Sally Flocks of the Atlanta-based pedestrian advocacy group PEDS joins the podcast this week to talk about Atlanta, pedestrian advocacy and strategies for making places more walkable.

There's a wonderful segment at about XX minutes in, where Chuck spoke about how he had installed cones and flags to make a pedestrian crossing safer. And some city official told him: "You are going to have to take those signs down, since there may be safety issues." WHAT? It seems that some see anything that slows traffic as a crime. And almost no one in car-addicted US cities and towns is looking after the safety needs of pedestrians and cyclists.

We can change that, by working within our own local communities - as Sally Flocks has done. And as people walk and cycle more, and rid themselves of (expensive) cars, people become less dependent on the energy globalists, and less attached to the endless war economy. (Remember what VP Cheney once said:: "The US lifestyle is non-negotiable." The conceit and arrogance of this statement - coming from a man who a big beneficiary of resource wars all his life, should have made clear what an enemy he was to the cause of ordinary people on our planet.)

Battling these "smaller" causes at a local level, and winning over your neighbors to positive change is a great way to begin to change the world, and make your community less dependent on the global villains that are manipulating us all.

Thanks GuyFox, keep it going, hope that other members will push with you. Here's a comments paraphrasing on "Americain too car dependent, that owners are using the ressources of the Future", as we know, we are in a deep down rooted Corporate Society where "profit" is the motivator to success (materiality, surely not spirituality).

Our Government (Canada at least) used different means to programmed us to Consumerism, that we will find satisfaction in acquiring material things, as we know, it's the opposite. From their perspective, the more we consume, the more we get indebt, the more banks are happy, more natural resssources are needed, and the cycle never end! But this process get people working, buying, saving, the economic process if you will.

Unfortunately, we are all part of that, how may we bring a "brake" to this ever going Consumerism? The Elite will do whatever it takes to break the brake. But, we shouldn't stand there and let it be, we should do something about it, many have tried here, and it sure give ideas to members and guest! What come out of it, is more information, and it may lead to demonstration, petition, contestation, the like! These take time to influence, but what is the alternative?

The best to you!

[sirdipswitch]

pages, pages, and more pages, of meaningfull discussion, by some astoundingly intelegent individuals, into most of the problems we face here in the U.S. of A., and not ONE, viable plan of action to "right", this Nation. hmm. ccc.

Certainly I have a plan. That I came up with more than 30 years ago. And is "still", the only thing that "would" straighten out this nation. No, I will not discuss it in this venue. For it was in fact so good as to recieve "warning" by the fbi... to cease and desist, (which we did)... or my Family Tree... would disapear. I have a very large Family Tree... I ceased. I will not go that route again, as y'all, are tryin to do.

However, I do now have a new plan, (underway) do to some newly "aquired" abilities, that will enable me to do so "safely for all", and quite peacefully... also. cc.

[GuyFox]

Excuse me, Sir Dip...
I think these plans are all practical - and address the change needed at different levels, and in different ways.
So I do not "get" what you are saying.

[sirdipswitch]

I would agree, however, nothing comes of any of this, for everything discussed here, has already been done many times over, and always gets thrown under the table, by the powers that be, (yes be, not were, and are doing just fine, with their plans) by and through their media control, and everything gets labeled as a nuther bunch of wacos', with some conspiracy theory.

But then of course perhaps, if you were to come home and help, that just might make all the difrnce we need.

I was threatened, but I didn't run, I just backed up, settled in for the long haul, and am still here, and yes very much again in this game.

[aheb]

I find this a difficult situation having talked to family and loved ones who still think that I am some sort of Conspiracy theorist. I deal with it as best as I can. For a start I pick my fights, I can argue about the fractional reserve banking system, the huge debts etc and how the federal reserve and the bank of england conive in crooked dealings. I can talk logically about it, citing many examples such as how the name Goldman Sachs crops up so many times. Why are the heads of all the central banks ex GS employees for starters?
There are other things as well 9/11 for example but I must admit that until I saw the documentary 7/7 the ripple effect, I didn't believe that 7/7 was a put up job whereas now I do. That gives me hope because I was turned by that one documentary and hopefully I can show others, just by speaking as often as I can. People, even on Avalon , need to break away from right left paradigm
because we have never really had that and the parties don't represent that.
I have also started to buy Gold and Silver, not to make money, just because I am s disgusted with the banking system that I want no part of it, and this is one way of doing that.
So basically my solution is to talk long and often to the unbelievers , the sheeple, and to lead by example.....and to be very,very forgiving, because I am still 90% sheeple myself lol

[GuyFox]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
I would agree, however, nothing comes of any of this, for everything discussed here, has already been done many times over, and always gets thrown under the table, by the powers that be, (yes be, not were, and are doing just fine, with their plans) by and through their media control, and everything gets labeled as a nuther bunch of wacos', with some conspiracy theory.

But then of course perhaps, if you were to come home and help, that just might make all the difrnce we need.

I was threatened, but I didn't run, I just backed up, settled in for the long haul, and am still here, and yes very much again in this game.

That is not so!

+ Eric Cantor (cabalist extraordinaire), has just be thrown out, defeated in the polls
+ The mainstream media is fading fast
+ 9/11 Truth data is flowing out, as the Russians "daylight" their intelligence
+ Israel looks like it has been "thrown under the bus", as the Intel Cowboys deliver payback for 9/11 crimes
+ (In a smaller way): Pedestrian crossings are coming to Atlanta, as Pedestrian activists win

These are only a few of the victories that I have mentioned on this, and related threads.
There are many more - But the main one is the Awakening going on everywhere

[GuyFox]

Posted by aheb (here)
I find this a difficult situation having talked to family and loved ones who still think that I am some sort of Conspiracy theorist. I deal with it as best as I can. For a start I pick my fights, I can argue about the fractional reserve banking system, the huge debts etc and how the federal reserve and the bank of england conive in crooked dealings. I can talk logically about it, citing many examples such as how the name Goldman Sachs crops up so many times. Why are the heads of all the central banks ex GS employees for starters?
There are other things as well 9/11 for example but I must admit that until I saw the documentary 7/7 the ripple effect, I didn't believe that 7/7 was a put up job whereas now I do. That gives me hope because I was turned by that one documentary and hopefully I can show others, just by speaking as often as I can. People, even on Avalon , need to break away from right left paradigm
because we have never really had that and the parties don't represent that.
I have also started to buy Gold and Silver, not to make money, just because I am s disgusted with the banking system that I want no part of it, and this is one way of doing that.
So basically my solution is to talk long and often to the unbelievers , the sheeple, and to lead by example.....and to be very,very forgiving, because I am still 90% sheeple myself lol

Yes, it is frustrating sometimes.
People awaken, one person at a time.
Try and find a few others around you who are "awake and aware", and meet with them from time to time, and even once a week if you can - and you will feel better. Share stories when you meet, about how you have seen people wake up, and what it takes.

I am frustrated too - I expected a better response to the Avalon Cafe idea :
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...425#post844425
But at least there may be enough interest to kick it off.

[wnlight]

Still 90% sheeple myself, I frequently find a long-held belief suddenly scuttled by some new (to me) revelation of truth. If you take a look at my web site at www.light.ec, you will see why my family and friends think of me as a conspiracy theory nut. I have been threatened since I moved away to Ecuador, but I do not think of it as running away because this is a world problem that we are up against. I just feel more comfortable here in Ecuador. Also, there are more like minded people here. I cannot have a dinner conversation with US expats without the subject coming up: "What's wrong with America? I feel so bad for them." And so on ...
I worry about my two boys, and my granddaughters. Times will be much harder before they get any better. I cry for the USA that I grew up in - a country that no longer exists. However, as I have written before, I will not move back until it is once again "the land of the free and the home of the brave."

[GuyFox]

I understand completely, WN

I left the US from 1980-1984 --- and then moved back for a few years: 1991-1994-
The country had already changed somewhat.
I lived in Chicago, and was struck about how people liked to talk about: sports, sports, and sports.
I used to start arguments, just to get onto something different, but that did not work so well.

I then moved to London, where it took some year to develop a circle of friends who could discuss some important issues.

Here in HK, there are a tiny number who are happy to discuss the whole range of issues. The number is growing, but very slowly, it seems.

I wind up spend much time online (probably too much time), to find a community where the sort of issues we tackle here, CAN be discussed

[Valley]

A beautifully crafted, and responded to thread... this is exactly what we can do right here on PA... to continue gathering, sifting through, and synthesising information... then presenting our findings to the Group and continue "hashing out" what is most influential and productive.

Another way I see we can make this process more successful here is to keep hitting that little "Thank You" Button... as much as we may not agree with using it... it encourages others to keep responding as a thread starts slowing down. It also shows others new to a thread that there are still plenty of "thank you's" to go around, and they can still keep their "thank you" stats up at respectable levels... silly, but it does seem that many here are still so concerned with this... mainly, I think, because those TY stats appear right next to their name on every post they make. I think those stats should only appear on a persons Profile page... that way it also won't be there to "distract" us from our important and intuitive trains of thought.

It seems that really good threads are "given up" on far too easily, when they could continue to make major headway. Just two people "hanging in" on a thread can produce untold fruits... and should be encouraged... especially if the thread is still getting healthy visits per day/week/new post.

Patience with the process is also a major factor to help insure "success"... this is a big undertaking to "turn the tides of the public eyes" and we need to insure that we keep charging ahead, and not get discouraged by little "set-backs". We need to stay as positive and motivated as possible, so that momentum is maintained... which can be greatly enhanced using creative and humorous means... so that "burn-out" never becomes a factor.

I really like the group Skype conferencing idea and will now look further into that.

Thank you All for engaging...
Blessings...

PS... My phone started acting up and made me lose 2 lengthy postings I was working on... thus, the delay here.

[Iarmhéid]

For me the great work is done in the light. No secrets. Though this may be easier said than done. I can imagine certain scenarios where such brevity may be a fools courage? In today's world however, we are more effective working in the light I believe. Our strength is in our numbers. When we are more visible we inspire courage in others.

[Sean]

It seems to me that a lot of the solutions talked about in this thread are 3-d reality solutions.The attacks on humanity, I believe are based in the ASTRAL. I think it's there that the fight can be won. Several times, when there's been a particularly bad world event, during my meditations, I 'project" my consciousness to above earth. I then BLAST earth with light, sometimes focusing on the geographical area of whatever event precipitated this particular meditation, sometimes just the entire planet. Use your creativity re: your visualizations, but my intent has always been to beat back darkness. I wonder if everyone, those with the awareness to try, did something similar, what the effect would be?

I learned, years ago, that we are literally(we being all of humanity) under attack all the time. 24-7-365. they don't stop, and neither should those who want to attack/defend. there are groups that are already organized to do this, but I'd encourage everyone to form their own "team". No structure, or hierarchy. Just people with like minds acting independently to astrally defend humanity, and attack when necessary.

Basically we need to be astral Ninja/Jedi.

The actions in 3-D are important as well. sure, don't feed the beast. use alternate currencies like bitcoin instead of USD. stay out of the politics. Confront hatred with love in your daily life..but when you meditate..or astral travel..or remote view..take some time to engage the enemy. just my thoughts..

[Rosieposie]

Overcoming the scope of the issues faced on Earth at the moment is a mammoth task, we are well and truly late to the ball game when it comes to understanding the complexity and comprehending the depths of the issues faced purely due to lack of available information up until this such time and the general frequency and level of complexity of peoples thought patterns. I don't really see any way to out gun those in power to make change, they have the board covered. And the bulk of the population is not there yet in terms of their personal development, if we could change that we could solve our problems but this is a realm of free choice and you can show someone a path but it's up to them to walk down it.

The important thing to remember is that we are stepping stones on a chain of evolution, time is more than just our life times, what we do in this life might completely change the life potentials for billions of others spanning hundreds of thousands of years into the future. You don't know what important comment or act you might do that might influence a long term different time line, to be honest I think the greatest acts of change to the picture as a whole is actually just being here and being you and experiencing yourself. Special potentials lay in particular to parents who are "awakening" as the frequencies you experience pass on to your children and thus the act of genetic evolution takes place (hence perhaps why those certain annoying bloodlines have interest in tracking everyones dna).

There is perhaps a growing underlying sense of urgency currently, the sense that we are heading towards a cliffside following a crowd and some part of the consciousness is yelling "ABORT ABORT THIS IS THE WRONG WAY!". Well it's right we are heading off a bad cliff, and the problems are frigging massive, and we probably can't save it or stop the momentum of the weight of several hundred years of bad decisions sliding off, it is common sense though you can't sow death and reap anything but death. What we can do is knuckle down, build communities and recognizing that bad things are usually complicated and have short lives and good things are usually complicated in depth and simple on surface and outlive evil things. So even though most people don't yet comprehend what is occurring, good people always appreciate the wealth of nature and kindness, and if everyone who is awakened works at reconnecting and grounding into the beauty of life and creating a life that mimics the goodness of their own hearts and the need of the self to be free and independent and then works to create opportunities for others then perhaps we can do as good things do and grow something beautiful for our future.

I tend not to worry about the problems we face, the system is totally dead, when the land dies so will the civilizations who live on it, we simply have to get out of it's death processes, educate ourselves (think permaculture, green woodworking etc), create a new way of being be part of a birth not the death. Remember nature endures, it is the strength that you must unite too, you must choose a different path to that being offered.