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    Thank you for all of your comments. It's good to get as much solid information out there as possible. Unfortunately for us, we need to find the truth on our own. This thread is probably going to be more helpful to someone who has non stop medical issues, and they don't know why. If you are healthy, this is probably not going to be a concern. If you are on several medications a day, and your Dr. has no clue about the critical potassium sodium balance at a cellular level, this information could be critical. Removing excess salt from the diet, and detoxifying from all of the further toxic medications would be essential.

    Thanks to all who exposed the truth about table salt here. While sea salt is certainly better than table salt, lets not confuse these two issues. Table salt can harm the arteries, and cells. Too much sodium of any variety in the body will cause the "flip" of the cell from potassium based to sodium based, which will certainly cause disease to set in.

    Any salt, no matter what variety it is, is a toxin to the human body. This is a fact. It's up to you what you want to do with this info. Another fact is that your body does need sodium. The body gets plenty of sodium in natural foods such as fruits and veggies, and requires zero supplemetal salt. Personally, I use very little supplemental salt in my diet, and I take potassium supplements to maintain this critical potassium sodium balance.

    Wishing you all a happy, healthy day-

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    Quote Posted by dAkapacity (here)

    There's a difference between sea salts and table salt. Salt and other natural minerals are actually very important for the body.
    You are correct, the body does need sodium. What I'm trying to point out here is that most people don't understand that you get enough sodium in your diet without any supplemental salt. Even a strict plant based vegetarian diet provides perfect amounts of sodium. The average western diet provides too much salt, and adding salt on top of it will certainly cause cellular distruption as has been documented here.

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    I use Redmonds real salt. love it!!


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    Here is an interseting article on the toxicity of salt, for those interested: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/357085

    It's an interesting read. Basically, the author indicates that studies show that excess salt is implicated in strokes as well as hypertension and gastric cancer. And he admits that higher potassium intake seems to mitigate the damage of excess toxic salt intake through "some unknown mechanism", even calling potassium "protective" in reference to excess dietary salty intake.

    That "unknown mechanism" will never be taught to medical establishment doctors, but that information is located in the OP of this thread.

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    Quote Posted by Watching from Cyprus (here)
    Just a comment on sodium increases the acid in the stomach !!! Sodium Bicarbonate which is also a salt, reduces the acid in the stomach and KILLS CANCER. Stop listening to the idiot medical doctors taught only lies in the universities established by JP Morgan with his false books.

    FACT: CHOLESTEROL IS SO IMPORTANT FOR YOUR BODY THAT MEASURED IN EEGs EVERY GROWN UP SHALL HAVE 15 SOFT EGGS PER DAY. CHOLESTEROL IS THE FOOD FOR THE BRAIN (THEY DONT WANT YOU TO WAKE UP SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT)
    FACT: TABLE SALT IS 1/3 SALT, 1/3 SAND, 1/3 GLASS. THE GLASS CUTS YOUR VEINS INSIDE. CHOLESTEROL COMES TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE OVER AND OVER WHICH NARROWS THE PASS-WAY FOR THE BLOOD AND THEIR COMES THE DANGER. SO PLENTY OF WATER AND 1.5 TSP OF SEA SALT EVERY DAY PLUS A BUNCH OF EGGS IS GOOD FOR YOU AND YOU WILL SEE WHO IT EFFECTS YOUR BRAIN.. HE HE . .

    By the way our body works on electricity, and electricity cannot move around without salt. All is logic, but not if you dont have any sense left by listening to rubbish. Eat eggs and feel Eggcellent ;-)

    Dont be fooled by tricksters .
    perhaps you should read a post before commenting. who said that sodium increases stomach acid? here's a quote from wikipedia for you:

    Quote Gastric acid is a digestive fluid, formed in the stomach. It has a pH of 1.5 to 3.5 and is composed of hydrochloric acid (HCl) (around 0.5%, or 5000 parts per million), and large quantities of potassium chloride (KCl) and sodium chloride (NaCl). The acid plays a key role in digestion of proteins, by activating digestive enzymes, and making ingested proteins unravel so that digestive enzymes can break down the long chains of amino acids.
    chloride plays the acidic part here. what sodium bicarbonate does is kill your stomach acid.

    i don't know why you include cholesterol in this discussion since it's something totally unrelated but i'll address your statement anyway.

    cholesterol ingestion is not required by the body. the body is perfectly capable of producing its own cholesterol in the liver. otherwise vegans would have a(nother) big problem.

    the reason why cholesterol collects in arteries is that excessive free radicals damage the artery walls and small oxidized particles of the LDL cholesterol get stuck in there. if more get stuck than can be removed by phagocytes the artery will eventually get blocked.

    there is no glass in veins and there's no arteriosclerosis in veins. nor is there any glass in arteries (where ARTERIOsclerosis happens) which cuts them. how should it get in there? it would have to pass through the cells in the intestinal wall first and then through the liver (a filtering organ, among other things).

    get your facts straight. arteriosclerosis and high cholesterol have nothing whatsoever to do with salt intake.

    oh, and sand or glass consist in large part of silicium dioxide. silicium is a vital trace element that is a component of pretty much all plants and animals.
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    Any salt, no matter what variety it is, is a toxin to the human body. This is a fact. It's up to you what you want to do with this info. Another fact is that your body does need sodium. The body gets plenty of sodium in natural foods such as fruits and veggies, and requires zero supplemetal salt. Personally, I use very little supplemental salt in my diet, and I take potassium supplements to maintain this critical potassium sodium balance.
    it's not a fact that all salts are toxic to the body. in fact, lots of stuff that we ingest every day is partially composed of salts. to quote wikipedia again:

    Quote In chemistry, salts are ionic compounds that result from the neutralization reaction of an acid and a base. They are composed of cations (positively charged ions) and anions (negative ions) so that the product is electrically neutral (without a net charge). These component ions can be inorganic such as chloride (Cl−), as well as organic such as acetate (CH3COO−) and monatomic ions such as fluoride (F−), as well as polyatomic ions such as sulfate (SO42−).

    Common salt-forming cations include:
    Ammonium NH4+
    Calcium Ca2+
    Iron Fe2+ and Fe3+
    Magnesium Mg2+
    Potassium K+
    Pyridinium C5H5NH+
    Quaternary ammonium NR4+
    Sodium Na+

    Common salt-forming anions (parent acids in parentheses where available) include:
    Acetate CH3COO− (acetic acid)
    Carbonate CO32− (carbonic acid)
    Chloride Cl− (hydrochloric acid)
    Citrate HOC(COO−)(CH2COO−)2 (citric acid)
    Cyanide C≡N− (N/A)
    Nitrate NO3− (nitric acid)
    Nitrite NO2− (nitrous acid)
    Phosphate PO43− (phosphoric acid)
    Sulfate SO42− (sulfuric acid)
    somebody who eats mostly or only fruits and veggies will all but stop to produce stomach acid because fruits and veggies are alkaline and don't contain much chloride, and they're built in large part of carbohydrates which are digested by enzymes in the mouth and small intestine, not in the stomach. the body won't produce a lot of stomach acid of it's not needed and if only a little or no chloride (from sodium chloride) is ingested.

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    In addition, most of the processed food we are presented with only tastes salty.

    They are stuffed with glutamates and I not for one second doubt the body's difficulties of understanding that chunk when it comes in and the damage that ensues, as with many other synthetic additives.

    You must also wonder how a country like Japan, where they have things like soy sauce and an extremely high salt intake does not have the world's highest number of obese or otherwise unhealthy people.

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    Table salt is a rock salt of a mineral nature, not one formed atom by atom, via accumulation, like sea salt. Sea salt is a proper salt precipitate.

    Ground mineral salt, ie, table salt, forms back into it's mineral from in the body, hard coating arterial walls, and can eventually bring death via that avenue.

    So don't use any form of 'mineral salt, or table salt. Use only sea salts, salt precipitates.
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    But the salts like Real Salt are from ancient sea beds, so I think that would qualify as sea salt.
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    This one just came out: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-0...aths-year.html

    They're not specifying the salt in the article but I think it's safe to assume dietary sodium generally coincides with table salt (ingredients: Nacl, E534 (very hard to find info on this one), E535 (=sodium ferrocyanide)).

    The approach taken is one where more focus is on the examined than on the nature of the product one is trying to deduce effects from.
    Celtic seasalt for instance does not have the anti-caking agents. I find it careless that the effects of the sodium ferrocyanide and the E534 were not calculated.

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    Sodium to Potassium Ratio Is More Important Than Your Overall Salt Intake
    By Dr. Mercola
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    The vilification of salt is similar to that of fat. Just as there are healthy fats that are necessary for optimal health and unhealthy fats that cause health problems, there are healthy and unhealthy types of salt. The devil’s in the details, as they say, and this is definitely true when it comes to salt and fat.

    Salt provides two elements – sodium and chloride – both of which are essential for life. Your body cannot make these elements on its own, so you must get them from your diet. However, not all salts are created equal.

    Natural unprocessed salt, such as sea salt and Himalayan salt, contains about 84 percent sodium chloride (just under 37 percent of which is pure sodium1, 2). The remaining 16 percent are naturally-occurring trace minerals, including silicon, phosphorus, and vanadium
    Processed (table) salt contains 97.5 percent sodium chloride (just over 39 percent of which is sodium3, 4). The rest is man-made chemicals, such as moisture absorbents and flow agents, such as ferrocyanide and aluminosilicate.
    Besides the basic differences in nutritional content, the processing—which involves drying the salt above 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit—also radically and detrimentally alters the chemical structure of the salt

    Appropriate vs. Inappropriate Salt Restriction

    In the United States and many other developed countries, salt has been vilified as a primary cause of high blood pressure and heart disease. According to research presented at last year’s American Heart Association meeting,5 excessive salt consumption contributed to 2.3 million heart-related deaths worldwide in 2010.

    However, it’s important to realize that most Americans and other Westerners get the majority of their sodium from commercially available table salt and processed foods—not from natural unprocessed salt.

    This is likely to have a significant bearing on the health value of salt, just as dangerous trans fats in processed foods turned out to be responsible for the adverse health effects previously (and wrongfully) blamed on healthy saturated fats.

    Current dietary guidelines in the US recommend limiting your salt intake to anywhere from 1.5 to 2.4 grams of sodium per day, depending on which organization you ask. The American Heart Association suggests a 1.5 gram limit.

    For a frame of reference, one teaspoon of regular table salt contains about 2.3 grams of sodium.6 According to some estimates, Americans get roughly four grams of sodium per day, which has long been thought to be too much for heart health.

    But recent research, which has been widely publicized,7, 8, 9, 10, 11 suggests that too little salt in your diet may be just as hazardous as too much. Moreover, the balance between sodium and potassium may be a deciding factor in whether your salt consumption will ultimately be harmful or helpful.

    Too Little Salt Raises Heart Risks Too, Researchers Find

    One four-year long observational study (the Prospective Urban Rural Epidemiology (PURE) study), which included more than 100,000 people in 17 countries, found that while higher sodium levels correlate with an increased risk for high blood pressure, potassium helps offset sodium’s adverse effects.

    The results were published in two articles: "Association of Urinary Sodium and Potassium Excretion with Blood Pressure"12 and "Urinary Sodium and Potassium Excretion, Mortality, and Cardiovascular Events."13

    I’ve discussed the importance of getting these two nutrients—sodium and potassium—in the appropriate ratios before, and I’ll review it again in just a moment.

    In this study, those with the lowest risk for heart problems or death from any cause were consuming three to six grams of sodium a day—far more than US daily recommended limits.

    Not only did more than six grams of sodium a day raise the risk for heart disease, so did levels lower than three grams per day. In short, while there is a relationship between sodium and blood pressure, it’s not a linear relationship.14 As noted by the Associated Press:15

    "‘These are now the best data available,’ Dr. Brian Strom said of the new study. Strom, the chancellor of Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences, led an Institute of Medicine panel last year that found little evidence to support very low sodium levels.

    "‘Too-high sodium is bad. Too low also may be bad, and sodium isn't the whole story,’ Strom said. ‘People should go for moderation.’

    The authors propose an alternative approach; instead of recommending aggressive sodium reduction across the board, it might be wiser to recommend high-quality diets rich in potassium instead. This, they surmise, might achieve greater public health benefits, including blood-pressure reduction.

    As noted by one of the researchers, Dr. Martin O'Donnell16 of McMaster University, “Potatoes, bananas, avocados, leafy greens, nuts, apricots, salmon, and mushrooms are high in potassium, and it's easier for people to add things to their diet than to take away something like salt.”

    Meta-Analysis Supports Lower Sodium Recommendations

    Another study,17 published in the same journal, assessed how sodium contributes to heart-related deaths by evaluating 107 randomized trials across 66 countries. The researchers first calculated the impact of sodium on high blood pressure, and then calculated the relationship between high blood pressure and cardiovascular deaths. According to the authors:

    “In 2010, the estimated mean level of global sodium consumption was 3.95 grams per day, and regional mean levels ranged from 2.18 to 5.51 grams per day. Globally, 1.65 million annual deaths from cardiovascular causes... were attributed to sodium intake above the reference level [2.0 grams of sodium per day]. These deaths accounted for nearly 1 of every 10 deaths from cardiovascular causes. Four of every 5 deaths occurred in low- and middle-income countries, and 2 of every 5 deaths were premature (before 70 years of age).”

    This appears to support current sodium recommendations in the US, and according to Dr. Elliott Antman, president of the Heart Association,18 “The totality of the evidence strongly supports limiting sodium.” However, as noted by Dr. Suzanne Oparil, M.D.:19 “[G]iven the numerous assumptions necessitated by the lack of high-quality data, caution should be taken in interpreting the findings of the study. Taken together, these three articles highlight the need to collect high-quality evidence on both the risks and benefits of low-sodium diets.”

    Earlier Evidence

    A long list of studies has in fact failed to prove that there are any benefits to a low-salt diet, and in fact many tend to show the opposite. In addition to the ones already mentioned above, the following studies also came up with negative results. For an even more comprehensive list of research, please see this previous salt article.

    A 2004 meta-analysis by the Cochrane Collaboration20 reviewed 11 salt-reduction trials and found that, in otherwise healthy people, over the long-term, low-salt diets decreased systolic blood pressure by 1.1 millimeters of mercury (mmHg) and diastolic blood pressure by 0.6 mmHg. That equates to reducing your blood pressure from 120/80 to 119/79. In conclusion, the authors stated that:
    "Intensive interventions, unsuited to primary care or population prevention programs, provide only minimal reductions in blood pressure during long-term trials."

    A 2006 study in the American Journal of Medicine21 compared the reported daily sodium intakes of 78 million Americans to their risk of dying from heart disease over the course of 14 years. The study concluded that lower sodium diets led to HIGHER mortality rates among those with cardiovascular disease, which "raised questions regarding the likelihood of a survival advantage accompanying a lower sodium diet."
    In 2011, the Cochrane Collaboration22, 23 conducted yet another review of the available data, concluding that when you reduce your salt intake, you actually increase several other risk factors that could theoretically eliminate the reduced risk for cardiovascular disease predicted from lowering your blood pressure!
    Of particular note is the authors statement that: “sodium reduction resulted in a significant increase in plasma cholesterol (2.5 percent) and plasma triglyceride (7 percent), which expressed in percentage, was numerically larger than the decrease in BP [blood pressure]... The present meta-analysis indicates that the adverse effect on lipids, especially triglyceride, is not just an acute effect as previously assumed, but may be persistent also in longer-term studies.”

    You Need Salt, But Make Sure It’s the Right Kind

    From my perspective, the answer is clear: avoid processed salt and use natural salt in moderation. I believe it is hard for a healthy person to overdo it if using a natural salt, as salt is actually a nutritional goldmine—again provided you mind your sodium-potassium ratio. Some of the many biological processes for which natural salt is crucial include:

    Being a major component of your blood plasma, lymphatic fluid, extracellular fluid, and even amniotic fluid Carrying nutrients into and out of your cells, and helping maintain your acid-base balance Increasing the glial cells in your brain, which are responsible for creative thinking and long-term planning. Both sodium and chloride are also necessary for the firing of neurons
    Maintain and regulate blood pressure Helping your brain communicate with your muscles, so that you can move on demand via sodium-potassium ion exchange Supporting the function of you adrenal glands, which produce dozens of vital hormones
    The beauty with Himalayan salt is that in addition to being naturally lower in sodium, it’s much higher in potassium compared to other salt—including other natural salt like sea salt or Celtic salt. Himalayan salt contains 0.28 percent potassium, compared to 0.16 percent in Celtic salt, and 0.09 percent in regular table salt. While this may seem like tiny amounts, Himalayan salt still has a better salt-potassium ratio than other salt, especially table salt. Again, remember that besides the basic differences in nutritional content, it’s the processing that makes table salt (and the salt used in processed foods) so detrimental to your health. What your body needs is natural, unprocessed salt, without added chemicals.

    The Importance of Maintaining Optimal Sodium-Potassium Ratio

    I agree with the PURE study’s authors when they say that a better strategy to promote public health would be to forgo the strict sodium reduction element, and focus recommendations instead on a high-quality diet rich in potassium, as this nutrient helps offset the hypertensive effects of sodium. Imbalance in this ratio can not only lead to hypertension (high blood pressure) but also contribute to a number of other diseases, including:

    Heart disease and stroke Memory decline Osteoporosis Ulcers and stomach cancer
    Kidney stones Cataracts Erectile dysfunction Rheumatoid arthritis
    The easiest way to throw your sodium-potassium ratio off kilter is by consuming a diet of processed foods, which are notoriously low in potassium while high in sodium. (Processed foods are also loaded with fructose, which is clearly associated with increased heart disease risk, as well as virtually all chronic diseases.) Your body needs potassium to maintain proper pH levels in your body fluids, and it also plays an integral role in regulating your blood pressure. As indicated in the PURE study, potassium deficiency may be more responsible for hypertension than excess sodium. Potassium deficiency leads to electrolyte imbalance, and can result in a condition called hypokalemia. Symptoms include:

    Water retention
    Raised blood pressure and hypertension
    Heart irregularities/arrhythmias
    Muscular weakness and muscle cramps
    Continual thirst and constipation
    According to a 1985 article in The New England Journal of Medicine, titled "Paleolithic Nutrition,24” our ancient ancestors got about 11,000 milligram (mg) of potassium a day, and about 700 mg of sodium. This equates to nearly 16 times more potassium than sodium. Compare that to the Standard American Diet where daily potassium consumption averages about 2,500 mg (the RDA is 4,700 mg/day), along with 3,600 mg of sodium. This may also explain why high-sodium diets appear to affect some people but not others.

    According to a 2011 federal study into sodium and potassium intake, those at greatest risk of cardiovascular disease were those who got a combination of too much sodium along with too little potassium. The research, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine,25 was one of the first and largest American studies to evaluate the relationship of salt, potassium, and heart disease deaths. Tellingly, those who ate a lot of salt and very little potassium were more than twice as likely to die from a heart attack as those who ate about equal amounts of both nutrients.

    How to Optimize Your Sodium-to-Potassium Ratio

    To easily determine your sodium to potassium ratio every day, you can use a free app like My Fitness Pal for your desktop, smartphone, or tablet that will easily allow you to enter the foods you eat and painlessly make this calculation for you. No calculating or looking up in multiple tables required like we had to do in the old days. So, how do you ensure you get these two important nutrients in more appropriate ratios?

    First, ditch all processed foods, which are very high in processed salt and low in potassium and other essential nutrients
    Eat a diet of whole, unprocessed foods, ideally organically and locally-grown to ensure optimal nutrient content. This type of diet will naturally provide much larger amounts of potassium in relation to sodium
    When using added salt, use a natural salt. I believe Himalayan salt may be the most ideal, as it contains lower sodium and higher potassium levels compared to other salts
    I do not recommend taking potassium supplements to correct a sodium-potassium imbalance. Instead, it is best to simply alter your diet and incorporate more potassium-rich whole foods. Green vegetable juicing is an excellent way to ensure you’re getting enough nutrients for optimal health, including about 300-400 mg of potassium per cup. By removing the fiber you can consume even larger volumes of important naturally occurring potassium. Some additional rich sources in potassium are:

    Lima beans (955 mg/cup)
    Winter squash (896 mg/cup)
    Cooked spinach (839 mg/cup)
    Avocado (500 mg per medium)
    Other potassium-rich fruits and vegetables include:

    Fruits: papayas, prunes, cantaloupe, and bananas. (But be careful of bananas as they are high in sugar and have half the potassium that an equivalent of amount of green vegetables. It is an old wives’ tale that you are getting loads of potassium from bananas; the potassium is twice as high in green vegetables)
    Vegetables: broccoli, Brussels sprouts, avocados, asparagus, and pumpkin
    How Much Salt Does Your Body Need?

    Normally, the homeostasis of your body fluids is corrected primarily by your kidneys, and proper renal handling of sodium is necessary for normal cardiovascular function. Given that your survival and normal physical development are dependent on adequate sodium intake and retention, the question is – how much salt do you really need?

    A strictly vegetarian diet contains about 0.75 grams of salt per day, and it’s been estimated that the Paleolithic diet contained about 1 to 1.5 grams, which was clearly sufficient for survival, even though it falls far below the currently recommended amount.

    I believe it’s clear that most Americans consume FAR too much processed salt that is devoid of most any health benefit. But if you want to find out whether you’re eating the right amount of salt for your body, a fasting chemistry profile that shows your serum sodium level can give you the answer, so that you can modify your diet accordingly. As a general rule, your ideal sodium level is 139, with an optimal range of 136 to 142. If it is much lower, you probably need to eat more salt (natural and unprocessed varieties, of course); if it is higher, you’ll likely want to restrict your salt intake. Keep in mind that if you have weak adrenals, you will lose sodium and need to eat more natural salt to compensate.
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    Default Re: Why is too much salt bad for you?

    Please stop spreading fear about salt, there is already far too much fear about salt. Salt is one of the most valuable minerals to the human body and we die without it.

    As someone has already stated - too much of anything is bad for you.

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