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    I came across a reference to the night of Michael Browns shooting (ie 9th August) and something that contributed to the flare-up in the area where Michael Brown was killed.

    I had already read that the police had trampled the candles and roses placed as a memorial at the spot Michael Brown died.

    What I hadn't read was that a canine unit officer had his dog urinate on that spot (source).

    I'll write that again for clarity.

    A canine unit officer had their dog urinate on the spot where Michael Brown died while his family, friends and neighbours watched.

    That's incitement to riot if ever I heard...

    What kind of person does that?



    Then later in the article:

    Quote On the afternoon of August 19, [Missouri State Representative Sharon] Pace and her colleague Rep. Tommie Pierson, whose district abuts hers, were standing near the McDonald's on West Florissant Avenue, observing a group of about 100 protesters marching down the street. There was a strong police presence but the atmosphere remained peaceful, Pace told me, and their goal was to mediate between their constituents and law enforcement. Police officers approached and ordered the crowd to keep moving. A female Missouri Highway Patrol officer confronted Pierson, reaching for her mace.

    "Are you getting ready to mace me?" Pierson asked in disbelief. The officer backed off after Pace explained to another cop who they were.

    "It's bad when you don't have any respect for anybody," Pierson told me last week. "Even now that's still going on: 'You do what I tell you, or I'll mace you, I'll shoot you, no questions asked.'"
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    Nothing to see here. Move along now...

    Finally, here's an observation that I made about the manipulation/co-opting of symbolism to maintain the status-quo.

    One of the most symbolic photos from the resistance by protesters to police using tear-gas etc came in the photo of a youth picking up a cannister and throwing it back at police.

    It is a magnificent representative moment illustrative of resistance and visually very powerful. Some conservative pundits initially claimed that it was a molotov but were soon proven to be wrong (seems to be a trend appearing here).



    Anyway that photo was changed for t-shirts, posters, graffiti etc and while not as powerful as the original photo it would serve as a good rallying image for any protest movement:



    Then the collaborators and status-quo merchants came in and claimed it as their own with this:



    See the way claims are made over powerful visual representations of resistance to limit/minimise their impact. This even brings the original photograph's power and legitimacy into question...

    I find myself harking back to earlier in this post and asking once again:
    What kind of person does that?
    Nope, I've got absolutely no idea.

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    BTW, one of my favourite images (*obviously staged) out of Ferguson illustrates the way in which the practices of the old system have not adjusted to its new reality.

    The almost realised new system that is still in its becoming.

    The live-feed, streaming real-time observation of events instantly reported to a 1000 people. The 1000 instantly relay this to their circle of friends. 1000 becomes 100,000 and that becomes news worthy.

    Remember Officer GFYS? 5 years ago he would not have been identified.

    Now we watch them as they watch us...



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    Pan- that "fall back position proven wrong" would be an interesting statistic! Unfortunately, it probably doesn't exist unless it does on a small scale done by dedicated individuals. The "Justice department" doesn't want to make itself look bad as evidenced by all of the police officers who magically retain their jobs after they commit homicide. Shooting unarmed civilians who are running away or who are obviously incapacitated by your handcuffs is just that in my opinion.

    I want to thank you for all of your work on this story and its inconsistencies in the MSM. You have a gifted B.S. meter!

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    Here's an interesting article that I found when I Googled "use of deadly force by police in the U.S."

    Police using deadly force are rarely convicted
    
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    Tramaine Miller, who was shot in the face by off-duty Atlanta police Officer Reginald Fisher, leaves Grady Memorial Hospital in May 2009. The bullet remains lodged in Miller’s neck today. ELISSA EUBANKS/eeubanks@ajc.com
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    The APD bullet is still in Tramaine Miller’s neck, a legacy of what at best was a bad decision by a hard-pressed police officer or at worst the reflexive act of a trigger-happy cop.
    Former Atlanta Police Officer Reginald Fisher testified at his 2011 trial that he mistook the cellphone in Miller’s hand for a gun. Miller, a fast-food worker, was leaving a Mechanicsville apartment after helping his quadriplegic aunt. He refused to unlock his car door when confronted by Fisher, who was working an off-duty security job and had deemed Miller suspicious.
    Fisher smashed out Miller’s car window with his baton, saw something in Miller’s hand and shot him.
    A Fulton County jury acquitted Fisher, then 42, who argued that he was working in a high-crime neighborhood and feared for his life.
    “We felt the policeman went over the line and felt very strongly that he should be charged,” District Attorney Paul Howard told The Atlanta Journal Constitution last week. “I think the jurors thought he made a legitimate mistake and gave him the benefit of the doubt.”
    Police departments follow U.S. Supreme Court decisions in deadly force policies; the laws boils down to whether a reasonable officer would believe his life or another citizen’s life was in danger in the moment before he shoots, said Dale Mann, former director of the Georgia Public Safety Training Center.
    The Supreme Court and Georgia law give police wider discretion than the average citizen has, Mann said. A brawler in a bar fight who shoots a guy preparing to hit him with a bottle will likely get indicted. A police officer breaking up that fight who shoots the guy with the bottle likely will not.
    The officer can shoot multiple times. While a prosecutor will use multiple shots against a murder defendant who claims self-defense, in policing they’re standard procedure.
    “The officer is trained to stop the threat — it is as simple as that,” said Gary Robinette, a retired FBI agent who testifies as an expert for plaintiffs in police brutality or shooting cases. “That means shooting as many times as you have to until the guy is down. The old thing where they were taught to shoot to kill became politically incorrect, but it is the same thing.”
    The elements become dicier for the officer if the suspect/victim is clearly unarmed — as in the Ferguson, Mo., case in which Officer Darren Wilson shot 18-year Michael Brown, experts said. Shooting at a fleeing Brown, as a witness said Wilson did, was illegal under the law unless Wilson had a reasonable belief that Brown constituted a threat to law officers or the public.
    Police are trained on a use of force policy in which an officer is taught to use a baton or Taser on an unarmed aggressor and can escalate to deadly force if the aggressor is armed with a weapon that could do grave injury — or if the officer believes he is about to lose his weapon, experts said.
    “The police are going to say the fight with the officer is a felony so the logic is Michael Brown committed a violent felony so you take him down — I just don’t agree with that analysis,” said Decatur attorney Mawuli Davis, who brings civil lawsuits in police shootings. “If you are a properly trained officer, when this guy is running away you call for back-up and you pull your Taser. If he comes back at you, you put him down with the Taser.”
    Marietta attorney Bill McKenney is a former police commissioner and prosecutor in New York. He said the shot at the fleeing Brown — which the police say missed — and the shots that killed him when he was about 35 feet from the officer represent a high hurdle for Wilson in trying to show the shooting was justified.
    “The fight is over, the assault on the officer is completed and the individual is running away and has no weapon,” said McKenney, who has represented officers in shooting cases. “The only defense that I think could be imposed is that the individual was coming back at the officer and … might be coming back to take the officer’s gun.”
    A successful prosecution would be an anomaly. Former DeKalb District Attorney J. Tom Morgan said the only officers he knows of going to jail in metro Atlanta in a shooting case were rogue Atlanta officers involved in the killing of 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston in a botched 2006 drug raid.
    Morgan, who as a defense lawyer represented Fisher, contended the bar should be high to indict police whose job requires endangering themselves.
    “Officers have to decide whether to shoot in a matter of seconds,” Morgan said. “Tragedies and mistakes are made but that doesn’t make them a crime.”
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution was unable to reach Fisher for a comment on this article.
    Howard ,more than most district attorneys, has sought indictments against cops he believes unjustly killed others. But grand juries generally have not indicted and if they did, as in Fisher’s case, a jury or a judge has acquitted the defendant.
    Howard said in police shootings often the only witnesses are police, often the shooters are investigated by sympathetic officers and often the dead or wounded have blemished records.
    In a case involving a College Park officer who shot a man during a DUI arrest, Howard retained an expert whose analysis of bullet trajectories proved the officer’s self-defense account was untrue.
    But the victim had a history of confronting police, and the grand jury didn’t indict. In the case of teenager shot in Buckhead by an officer in questionable circumstances, a judge ruled the case against the officer unproven.
    In Fisher’s case, Miller had a drug conviction — which might have persuaded jurors to follow an expert witness’s testimony that Fisher would be justified if he mistook the phone for a gun, Howard said.
    It was a case that Davis, who represents Miller in a civil suit, had felt relatively confident would end in conviction: the only law Miller had broken that day was parking in a handicapped space.
    “Obviously everybody was very disappointed that you can shoot an unarmed man and get away with it,” Davis said. “Tramaine Miller is now disabled — that one encounter disabled him. He lives a life of constant pain. You can still see the bullet protruding under the skin in the back of his neck.”

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-l...nvicted/ng8Nf/

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    And another interesting link from an expert in the field of criminal justice:

    http://prospect.org/article/expert-u...lly-inadequate

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    But, that expert also believes in a centralized, nationalized police force; yikes!

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    http://journalistsresource.org/studi...ew-statistics#

    Some statistics and lack thereof.

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    Powell Shooting (Cell Phone Camera)
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    Quote You don't have to watch this because
    it does show a young man being shot
    to death a dozen times, for no good
    reason.

    The entire event of the partially-point-
    blank-range killing of Kajieme Powell,
    25 on August 19th by "Peace Officers"
    who are paid to protect the communities
    they serve, not to kill its members was
    recorded on video by a cellphone.

    In a city still reeling with revolts over
    the police killing of unarmed teenager,
    Michael Brown, just ten days earlier,
    these events certainly prove that the
    local police had learned nothing, after
    ten days of outrage and revolts.

    They felt so immune from prosecution
    that they believed that they were totally
    above the law. This video also proves that
    they lied - and that it incredibly unsafe to
    be a young black man in Greater Metro
    area of St. Louis, Missouri.

    The policemen who killed Kajieme Powell
    in this video claimed that he was lurching
    at them with a "steak knife," with his arms
    "raised high". They further claimed that he
    was within 3 feet of them but the video
    clearly shows that he was about 15 feet
    away when they began to fire upon him -
    but that yes, by the time he'd fallen off a
    berm and rolled onto the sidewalk - and
    the police were into their final shots of the
    dozen bullets which hit him, he was THEN
    three feet away from the cops.

    At no time during Powell's interaction with
    the police were his arms "raised high,"
    even as the police instantly escalated the
    situation, by jumped out of their truck with
    guns drawn, as if the only thing they could
    even imagine doing was to kill the guy.
    Powell's arms were down by his sides - and
    the "steak knife" must have been pretty
    small, because it is not even visible in this
    video.

    Powell looked like he needed mental help,
    not killing.

    But the clincher is this: the fact that these
    "Peace Officers" handcuffed Powell, when he
    was already deader-than-a-doornail proves
    to me that they KNEW that they were guilty
    and were hastily trying to cover it up, to the
    rightfully cynical comments of onlookers.

    In my opinion, the perpetrators of Powell's
    shooting death should all be fired and tried
    for murder.


    Video (6 and a half min):

    Powell Shooting (Cell Phone Camera)

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    Nothing else that this fellow could have done.. I am not posting this vid to 'pile on', with regards 'bad cop' scenarios... I am posting it because it shows the INABILITY of this cop to 1) Tell the truth, 2) Follow police procedures, 3) Show any sort of rationality, 4) Precede in a Peaceful manner, 5) Regard citizens with Respect. This video pretty much highlights my experiences with cops, in general. And it highlights the type if irrational, psychopathy that runs rampant in police departments in America.



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    Did they kill him? I ****ing hate it, I ****ing hate it, I ****ing hate it. I am shaking and crying for that young man. He should not have stepped out of the car.

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    Quote Posted by Snowflower (here)
    Did they kill him? I ****ing hate it, I ****ing hate it, I ****ing hate it. I am shaking and crying for that young man. He should not have stepped out of the car.
    The text in the vid is in first person, and he mentioned that he moved his family away from there, so I am pretty sure that he is still alive.. Vile treatment, nonetheless.. People believe that there is no reason to fear the police.. I am baffled by that!

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    Police are not here to 'protect and serve' us...the regular folks...

    They are protecting and serving the status quo, the government, the elite...a buffer between 'citizens' and those who are calling the shots.

    Always moving their agenda forward, the controllers know people will push back when they are pushed too far. Thus, the police have been militarized in order to handle any possibility of revolution and keep it from their doors. The police have been given the tools to prevent an all out assault, and fed fear of the public to create a 'hair-trigger' reaction to anything less than complete surrender to their so called 'authority'...and even then, they still shoot out of fear. They are being used...and don't even realize it.

    After the police, the National Guard is called in...and finally, at some point, the military who are being trained to fire on American citizens. Quite a buffer between 'them' and 'us'...

    People are blaming the police now (and rightly so)...it will move up the ladder one step at a time, through the National Guard and the military to the politicians, then the banksters, etc... Get it now? So many 'patsies' between those that move the pieces around the chessboard and us....to keep 'them' safe....while fomenting conditions that will eventually lead to all out revolution. Hoping we'll do their job for them and kill each other off? After all, the more of us there are, the more difficult it is to maintain control.

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    Journalist and author of Rise of the Warrior Cop, Radley Balko interview with Vice News:



    Gamer is invaded by swat team due to prank while live streaming the event. Swat teams are increasingly being the tool of choice in house interactions but should swat teams be utilized for all warrants? If so shouldn't the teams be taught rules of engagement? Loaded guns pointed in the direction of peoples faces seems like an unnecessary tactic in most domestic situation. Starts at 6:30 minute mark.

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    Quote "I'll f***ing put a round in your ass so quick"
    Yep, folks there is a problem in Petersburg FL, too...

    Simply unbelievable.

    After all is said and done,, check out THIS ignorant remark from this CHIEF OF POLICE!!!

    Quote “When I watch this video, I don’t see a car full of young men who are behaving in a manner consistent with fear of the police.”
    What the hell?? Not showing fear to police will get you abused in Petersberg... I thought it was about basic respect the law and for police... C'mon, some of you are saying it is about respect,,, BS..

    It is about FEAR.. Fear and abuse. Watch the vids if you want to..

    This cops statements have seriously stabbed me in the heart. Who can support this crap???

    I am starting to feel bad for folks who have buried their head in the sand regarding the Nazi's that roam our streets with badges and guns... Please wake up...


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    Quote Posted by Jake (here)
    Quote "I'll f***ing put a round in your ass so quick"
    Yep, folks there is a problem in Petersburg FL, too...

    Simply unbelievable.

    After all is said and done,, check out THIS ignorant remark from this CHIEF OF POLICE!!!

    Quote “When I watch this video, I don’t see a car full of young men who are behaving in a manner consistent with fear of the police.”
    What the hell?? Not showing fear to police will get you abused in Petersberg... I thought it was about basic respect the law and for police... C'mon, some of you are saying it is about respect,,, BS..

    It is about FEAR.. Fear and abuse. Watch the vids if you want to..

    This cops statements have seriously stabbed me in the heart. Who can support this crap???

    I am starting to feel bad for folks who have buried their head in the sand regarding the Nazi's that roam our streets with badges and guns... Please wake up...


    Jake.
    Here's the video. Unbelievable. 190,369 hits since July 16, 2014. That's the good news. There's a fine line between creating fear/control vs. truth. Time now to step up the wake-up calls.



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    this is how i got treated by Boynton beach police department. officer pulls gun out and threatens to shoot...always record u have the right to do so

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    Cop who threatened to ‘kill everybody’ expected to get full pension
    By Collier Meyerson, 29th August 2014


    The St. Louis County police officer who was recently suspended after video surfaced of him threatening to “kill everybody” and who shoved CNN’s Don Lemon on live television in Ferguson has retired. Officer Dan Page, a 35-year veteran of the force, had his last day on August 25th. Sergeant Colby Dolly, aid to the St. Louis County Police Chief, told msnbc by phone that Page is expected to receive his full pension.

    Officer Page was suspended from the force on August 22, after an online video surfaced of him threatening violence and criticizing President Obama, Muslims and LGBT people.

    The officer’s pension has not yet taken effect.

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    Michael Brown had a substantial juvenile criminal record including second degree murder.....
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/sec...enile-records/

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    Quote Posted by marlowe (here)
    Michael Brown had a substantial juvenile criminal record including second degree murder.....
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/sec...enile-records/
    This report is based solely on heresy,, If you have seen his criminal record then by all means,, show it.

    "Got News filed a lawsuit against St. Louis County court today to obtain the juvenile arrest records of Michael Brown after the court denied his request. Brown was killed in a controversial altercation with Officer Darren Wilson."

    Quote Journalist Charles C. Johnson of Got News confirmed earlier this month that he was told... blah blah blah...

    Did you see a report, a record, a document,,, oh, just more he said/she said???

    I'd hold out a bit before you continue your demonization of the victim in this case... Just a humble opinion...

    Again, if cops are going to kill everyone with a juvenile arrest record,, they have a lot of killing to do!! (arrest record,, no conviction.. )

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    I thought you had quit trying to make a killer cop into a good cop, Marlowe.

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    Michael Brown's family lawyer makes false claims about autopsy




    Best evidence IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mAaJMBxKA4

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    Here is a 4 day old article from AOL that says the law suite says Michael Brown was ~ or~ is a murder suspect ...You can read every page of the law suite ...I did & it

    looks real to me..

    http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/2...cord/20953546/

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