Isis

**sigma6** · 1st September 2014 07:43

Posted by ghostrider (here)
The time when a pope no longer resides in Rome is the kickoff for the Enoch prophecies ... then religion implodes on itself ... if they kill the pope it could trigger events that we don't want to see ... couple weeks ago three of his family members were killed in a car crash ...http://video.foxnews.com/v/373810621...#sp=show-clips

OK, that makes more sense, otherwise I would have figured the Vatican is behind ISIS to begin with ... the public threat makes no sense, wheres the connection? Other than misdirection. On the other hand if family members were killed then maybe there really is a power struggle going on in the Vatican? (Or... he is the most diabolical bastard to become Pope, or the most unlikeliest of all is that it was purely random (NOT!)

Therefore, given the most likeliest option (#1) i.e. Satanic Mafia interests that are getting cleaned out of the sewers are the "faction" that is behind the "Pope threat" is them really trying to telegraph their intention thru the media... so that if and when he gets taken out, they can blame it on the Muslims. So who would be the most satanic evil mafia.

Apparently they are connected in some way with and controlling the media production behind the fake ISIS campaign, who are part of the fake beheading episode complete with the sister who also showed up in the Newtown massacre as the friend of the fake lone gunman student who got shot with his mom...

i.e. it may very well be the Bush backed Nazi pedophiles who must be taking aim at the Pope for... trying to clean out satanic mafia interests from the church? (How dare he!... I can probably hear them saying)

Even I don't think the most extreme faction of "Muslim Terrorists" is going to publicly state they want to kill the Pope, that would just make them lose popularity and look cheesy (as in low budget cheesy movie production script)

**yelik** · 1st September 2014 09:17

"ISIL - A Completely Fabricated Enemy By US", former CIA Contractor

http://www.stage2omega.com/isil-comp...ia-contractor/

**Roisin** · 1st September 2014 09:49

This current pope has to watch his back from every angle and he has to do that even when taking a leisurely stroll down the great halls of the Vatican because he has enemies there too. How Jorge Mario Bergoglio from Argentina became pope in the first place is a big mystery to me and, quite frankly, I'm not ruling out divine intervention. Does that sound implausible? I think not because if one believes in the notion that Satan has infiltrated the Church which we all know is certainly the case, then this suggests that there are opposing forces that exist too and they are the ones that got him elected to that position.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pope Francis' enemies concocted this story about ISIS targeting him, perhaps to give them a cover for their own plans to get rid of him. IOW's, the real threat on this Popes life has its roots deep within the Vatican itself.

**Roisin** · 1st September 2014 10:19

Vatican Addresses Report Saying Pope Francis Is An ISIS Target
Posted: 08/27/2014 2:49 pm EDT Updated: 08/27/2014 5:59 pm EDT

The Vatican is speaking out against a claim that Pope Francis is a target of the Islamic State militant group, otherwise known as ISIS.

In an article published Monday, Italy's Il Tempo newspaper reported that the pope is a target of ISIS. The paper, citing an unnamed Italian intelligence source, states the pope -- who is considered the "bearer of false truths" by the group -- is "in the crosshairs of ISIS" and that the extremist group plans to "raise the level of confrontation" by attacking Italy and greater Europe.

However, the Vatican has dismissed the report.

“There is nothing serious to this," spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi S.J. told Catholic News Agency. "There is no particular concern in the Vatican. This news has no foundation."

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who is behind the group's offense to overtake large regions of Iraq and Syria in an effort to establish its own Islamic State, issued a threat against Rome earlier this summer, near the start of Ramadan.

"Rush O Muslims to your state. It is your state. Syria is not for Syrians and Iraq is not for Iraqis. The land is for the Muslims, all Muslims," he said in an audio recording posted online and reported by the Telegraph. "This is my advice to you. If you hold to it you will conquer Rome and own the world, if Allah wills."

Earlier this month, ISIS took control of Iraq's largest Christian city, CNN reported. At the time, the pontiff expressed concern for Christians in the region.

While he has not endorsed American airstrikes against the group, Pope Francis has said ISIS must be stopped.

"I can only say this: It is licit to stop the unjust aggressor. I underline the verb: stop. I do not say bomb, make war, I say stop by some means," he said during a press conference last week, according to CNN. Adding: "It is there that this should be discussed. Is there an unjust aggressor? It would seem there is. How do we stop him?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5723712.html

**Matt P** · 1st September 2014 11:30

No one should ever listen to or share anything published by FOX (666) "news." Neither should anyone take anything at face value published by the Vatican. They are even bigger liars than FOX.

Matt

**jagman** · 1st September 2014 15:43

Posted by mpennery (here)
No one should ever listen to or share anything published by FOX (666) "news." Neither should anyone take anything at face value published by the Vatican. They are even bigger liars than FOX.

Matt

Matt, I have a wide range of sources which I use to collect and
gather info.I know some of you dont like fox and other mainstream
outlets but IMO it's good for piecing the puzzle together,So to speak

**jagman** · 1st September 2014 17:58

Posted by Roisin (here)
This current pope has to watch his back from every angle and he has to do that even when taking a leisurely stroll down the great halls of the Vatican because he has enemies there too. How Jorge Mario Bergoglio from Argentina became pope in the first place is a big mystery to me and, quite frankly, I'm not ruling out divine intervention. Does that sound implausible? I think not because if one believes in the notion that Satan has infiltrated the Church which we all know is certainly the case, then this suggests that there are opposing forces that exist too and they are the ones that got him elected to that position.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pope Francis' enemies concocted this story about ISIS targeting him, perhaps to give them a cover for their own plans to get rid of him. IOW's, the real threat on this Popes life has its roots deep within the Vatican itself.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio, If he really is "Petrus Romanus"
He does possess supernatural abilities! It's been stated that he can cal down bolts
of lightning!

**ktlight** · 3rd September 2014 08:28

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eO4NhB80tds

"Published on 2 Sep 2014"

Lebanese Girl explains the whole background.
One of the most important battles was in 2007.
ISIS, ISIL, Al-Nusra, Al Quaeda are all the same.

**ktlight** · 3rd September 2014 12:44

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yDUb50smUEg

"Published on 3 Sep 2014
Another Balkans style round up of all religious ****wits frighting for the Abrahamic demon.

Swiss christians fighting in Syria
Part of channel(s): Syria (current event)

More and more christians from Switzerland have begun to go to Syria to protect the christian villages alongside the SAA and fight the IS terrorists. The video is in Italian so it would be great if an Italian LiveLeaker could give us a brief summary about what they are exactly saying there.

It has been revealed that Christian militants in Switzerland are traveling to the Middle-East to fight for Christians in Iraq and Syria.

Germany’s Focus magazine ran an article titled ‘Christian Union against Terrorism’ which claimed that so far at least 10 Christians have gone to Iraq to fight.

The article, which cites Switzerland’s Sonntags Zeitung newspaper, said that money is also being collected in the country to support the Christian militants who trained in secret camps.

In the past two years, Syriac Christians in Switzerland have raised as much as 200,000 Franks, according to Focus. The Syriac Military Council in northern Syria have also reportedly accepted the Christian Union militants from Switzerland into their midst.

SVP politician Lukas Reimann warned that those who are participating in the war in the Middle-East are in breach of Swiss law.

Source: thebosniatimes"

**Camilo** · 3rd September 2014 14:17

Middle East Time Bomb: The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family as the New Emirs of Arabia

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alasta...usaolp00000592

BEIRUT -- ISIS is indeed a veritable time bomb inserted into the heart of the Middle East. But its destructive power is not as commonly understood. It is not with the "March of the Beheaders"; it is not with the killings; the seizure of towns and villages; the harshest of "justice" -- terrible though they are -- that its true explosive power lies. It is yet more potent than its exponential pull on young Muslims, its huge arsenal of weapons and its hundreds of millions of dollars.
"We should understand that there is really almost nothing that the West can now do about it but sit and watch."

Its real potential for destruction lies elsewhere -- in the implosion of Saudi Arabia as a foundation stone of the modern Middle East. We should understand that there is really almost nothing that the West can now do about it but sit and watch.

The clue to its truly explosive potential, as Saudi scholar Fouad Ibrahim has pointed out (but which has passed, almost wholly overlooked, or its significance has gone unnoticed), is ISIS' deliberate and intentional use in its doctrine -- of the language of Abd-al Wahhab, the 18th century founder, together with Ibn Saud, of Wahhabism and the Saudi project:

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, the first "prince of the faithful" in the Islamic State of Iraq, in 2006 formulated, for instance, the principles of his prospective state ... Among its goals is disseminating monotheism "which is the purpose [for which humans were created] and [for which purpose they must be called] to Islam..." This language replicates exactly Abd-al Wahhab's formulation. And, not surprisingly, the latter's writings and Wahhabi commentaries on his works are widely distributed in the areas under ISIS' control and are made the subject of study sessions. Baghdadi subsequently was to note approvingly, "a generation of young men [have been] trained based on the forgotten doctrine of loyalty and disavowal."

And what is this "forgotten" tradition of "loyalty and disavowal?" It is Abd al-Wahhab's doctrine that belief in a sole (for him an anthropomorphic) God -- who was alone worthy of worship -- was in itself insufficient to render man or woman a Muslim?

He or she could be no true believer, unless additionally, he or she actively denied (and destroyed) any other subject of worship. The list of such potential subjects of idolatrous worship, which al-Wahhab condemned as idolatry, was so extensive that almost all Muslims were at risk of falling under his definition of "unbelievers." They therefore faced a choice: Either they convert to al-Wahhab's vision of Islam -- or be killed, and their wives, their children and physical property taken as the spoils of jihad. Even to express doubts about this doctrine, al-Wahhab said, should occasion execution.
"Through its intentional adoption of this Wahhabist language, ISIS is knowingly lighting the fuse to a bigger regional explosion -- one that has a very real possibility of being ignited, and if it should succeed, will change the Middle East decisively."

The point Fuad Ibrahim is making, I believe, is not merely to reemphasize the extreme reductionism of al-Wahhab's vision, but to hint at something entirely different: That through its intentional adoption of this Wahhabist language, ISIS is knowingly lighting the fuse to a bigger regional explosion -- one that has a very real possibility of being ignited, and if it should succeed, will change the Middle East decisively.

For it was precisely this idealistic, puritan, proselytizing formulation by al-Wahhab that was "father" to the entire Saudi "project" (one that was violently suppressed by the Ottomans in 1818, but spectacularly resurrected in the 1920s, to become the Saudi Kingdom that we know today). But since its renaissance in the 1920s, the Saudi project has always carried within it, the "gene" of its own self-destruction.

THE SAUDI TAIL HAS WAGGED BRITAIN AND U.S. IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Paradoxically, it was a maverick British official, who helped embed the gene into the new state. The British official attached to Aziz, was one Harry St. John Philby (the father of the MI6 officer who spied for the Soviet KGB, Kim Philby). He was to become King Abd al-Aziz's close adviser, having resigned as a British official, and was until his death, a key member of the Ruler's Court. He, like Lawrence of Arabia, was an Arabist. He was also a convert to Wahhabi Islam and known as Sheikh Abdullah.

St. John Philby was a man on the make: he had determined to make his friend, Abd al-Aziz, the ruler of Arabia. Indeed, it is clear that in furthering this ambition he was not acting on official instructions. When, for example, he encouraged King Aziz to expand in northern Nejd, he was ordered to desist. But (as American author, Stephen Schwartz notes), Aziz was well aware that Britain had pledged repeatedly that the defeat of the Ottomans would produce an Arab state, and this no doubt, encouraged Philby and Aziz to aspire to the latter becoming its new ruler.

It is not clear exactly what passed between Philby and the Ruler (the details seem somehow to have been suppressed), but it would appear that Philby's vision was not confined to state-building in the conventional way, but rather was one of transforming the wider Islamic ummah (or community of believers) into a Wahhabist instrument that would entrench the al-Saud as Arabia's leaders. And for this to happen, Aziz needed to win British acquiescence (and much later, American endorsement). "This was the gambit that Abd al-Aziz made his own, with advice from Philby," notes Schwartz.

BRITISH GODFATHER OF SAUDI ARABIA

In a sense, Philby may be said to be "godfather" to this momentous pact by which the Saudi leadership would use its clout to "manage" Sunni Islam on behalf of western objectives (containing socialism, Ba'athism, Nasserism, Soviet influence, Iran, etc.) -- and in return, the West would acquiesce to Saudi Arabia's soft-power Wahhabisation of the Islamic ummah (with its concomitant destruction of Islam's intellectual traditions and diversity and its sowing of deep divisions within the Muslim world).
"In political and financial terms, the Saud-Philby strategy has been an astonishing success. But it was always rooted in British and American intellectual obtuseness: the refusal to see the dangerous 'gene' within the Wahhabist project, its latent potential to mutate, at any time, back into its original a bloody, puritan strain. In any event, this has just happened: ISIS is it."

As a result -- from then until now -- British and American policy has been bound to Saudi aims (as tightly as to their own ones), and has been heavily dependent on Saudi Arabia for direction in pursuing its course in the Middle East.

In political and financial terms, the Saud-Philby strategy has been an astonishing success (if taken on its own, cynical, self-serving terms). But it was always rooted in British and American intellectual obtuseness: the refusal to see the dangerous "gene" within the Wahhabist project, its latent potential to mutate, at any time, back into its original a bloody, puritan strain. In any event, this has just happened: ISIS is it.

Winning western endorsement (and continued western endorsement), however, required a change of mode: the "project" had to change from being an armed, proselytizing Islamic vanguard movement into something resembling statecraft. This was never going to be easy because of the inherent contradictions involved (puritan morality versus realpolitik and money) -- and as time has progressed, the problems of accommodating the "modernity" that statehood requires, has caused "the gene" to become more active, rather than become more inert.

Even Abd al-Aziz himself faced an allergic reaction: in the form of a serious rebellion from his own Wahhabi militia, the Saudi Ikhwan. When the expansion of control by the Ikhwan reached the border of territories controlled by Britain, Abd al-Aziz tried to restrain his militia (Philby was urging him to seek British patronage), but the Ikwhan, already critical of his use of modern technology (the telephone, telegraph and the machine gun), "were outraged by the abandonment of jihad for reasons of worldly realpolitik ... They refused to lay down their weapons; and instead rebelled against their king ... After a series of bloody clashes, they were crushed in 1929. Ikhwan members who had remained loyal, were later absorbed into the [Saudi] National Guard."

King Aziz's son and heir, Saud, faced a different form of reaction (less bloody, but more effective). Aziz's son was deposed from the throne by the religious establishment -- in favor of his brother Faisal -- because of his ostentatious and extravagant conduct. His lavish, ostentatious style, offended the religious establishment who expected the "Imam of Muslims," to pursue a pious, proselytizing lifestyle.

King Faisal, Saud's successor, in his turn, was shot by his nephew in 1975, who had appeared at Court ostensibly to make his oath of allegiance, but who instead, pulled out a pistol and shot the king in his head. The nephew had been perturbed by the encroachment of western beliefs and innovation into Wahhabi society, to the detriment of the original ideals of the Wahhabist project.

SEIZING THE GRAND MOSQUE IN 1979

Far more serious, however, was the revived Ikhwan of Juhayman al-Otaybi, which culminated in the seizure of the Grand Mosque by some 400-500 armed men and women in 1979. Juhayman was from the influential Otaybi tribe from the Nejd, which had led and been a principal element in the original Ikhwan of the 1920s.

Juhayman and his followers, many of whom came from the Medina seminary, had the tacit support, amongst other clerics, of Sheikh Abdel-Aziz Bin Baz, the former Mufti of Saudi Arabia. Juhayman stated that Sheikh Bin Baz never objected to his Ikhwan teachings (which were also critical of ulema laxity towards "disbelief"), but that bin Baz had blamed him mostly for harking on that "the ruling al-Saud dynasty had lost its legitimacy because it was corrupt, ostentatious and had destroyed Saudi culture by an aggressive policy of westernisation."

Significantly, Juhayman's followers preached their Ikhwani message in a number of mosques in Saudi Arabia initially without being arrested, but when Juhayman and a number of the Ikhwan finally were held for questioning in 1978. Members of the ulema (including bin Baz) cross-examined them for heresy, but then ordered their release because they saw them as being no more than traditionalists harkening back to the Ikhwan-- like Juhayman grandfather -- and therefore not a threat.

Even when the mosque seizure was defeated and over, a certain level of forbearance by the ulema for the rebels remained. When the government asked for a fatwa allowing for armed force to be used in the mosque, the language of bin Baz and other senior ulema was curiously restrained. The scholars did not declare Juhayman and his followers non-Muslims, despite their violation of the sanctity of the Grand Mosque, but only termed them al-jamaah al-musallahah (the armed group).

Because of donations from wealthy followers, the group had been well-armed and trained. Some members, like Juhayman, were former military officials of the Saudi National Guard. Some National Guard troops sympathetic to the insurgents smuggled weapons, ammunition, gas masks, and provisions into the mosque compound over a period of weeks before the attack, including automatic weapons smuggled from National Guard armories and hidden in rooms under the mosque that were used as hermitages.

ISIS VS. WESTERNIZED SAUDIS

The point of rehearsing this history is to underline how uneasy the Saudi leadership must be at the rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Previous Ikhwani manifestations were suppressed -- but these all occurred inside the kingdom.

ISIS however, is a neo-Ikhwani rejectionist protest that is taking place outside the kingdom -- and which, moreover, follows the Juhayman dissidence in its trenchant criticism of the al-Saud ruling family.

This is the deep schism we see today in Saudi Arabia, between the modernizing current of which King Abdullah is a part, and the "Juhayman" orientation of which bin Laden, and the Saudi supporters of ISIS and the Saudi religious establishment are a part. It is also a schism that exists within the Saudi royal family itself.

According to the Saudi-owned Al-Hayat newspaper, in July 2014 "an opinion poll of Saudis [was] released on social networking sites, claiming that 92 percent of the target group believes that 'IS conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law.'" The leading Saudi commentator, Jamal Khashoggi, recently warned of ISIS' Saudi supporters who "watch from the shadows."

There are angry youths with a skewed mentality and understanding of life and sharia, and they are canceling a heritage of centuries and the supposed gains of a modernization that hasn't been completed. They turned into rebels, emirs and a caliph invading a vast area of our land. They are hijacking our children's minds and canceling borders. They reject all rules and legislations, throwing it [a]way ... for their vision of politics, governance, life, society and economy. [For] the citizens of the self-declared "commander of the faithful," or Caliph, you have no other choice ... They don't care if you stand out among your people and if you are an educated man, or a lecturer, or a tribe leader, or a religious leader, or an active politician or even a judge ... You must obey the commander of the faithful and pledge the oath of allegiance to him. When their policies are questioned, Abu Obedia al-Jazrawi yells, saying: "Shut up. Our reference is the book and the Sunnah and that's it."

"What did we do wrong?" Khashoggi asks. With 3,000-4,000 Saudi fighters in the Islamic State today, he advises of the need to "look inward to explain ISIS' rise". Maybe it is time, he says, to admit "our political mistakes," to "correct the mistakes of our predecessors."

MODERNIZING KING THE MOST VULNERABLE

The present Saudi king, Abdullah, paradoxically is all the more vulnerable precisely because he has been a modernizer. The King has curbed the influence of the religious institutions and the religious police -- and importantly has permitted the four Sunni schools of jurisprudence to be used, by those who adhere to them (al-Wahhab, by contrast, objected to all other schools of jurisprudence other than his own).
"The key political question is whether the simple fact of ISIS' successes, and the full manifestation (flowering) of all the original pieties and vanguardism of the archetypal impulse, will stimulate and activate the dissenter 'gene' -- within the Saudi kingdom. If it does, and Saudi Arabia is engulfed by the ISIS fervor, the Gulf will never be the same again. Saudi Arabia will deconstruct and the Middle East will be unrecognizable."

It is even possible too for Shiite residents of eastern Saudi Arabia to invoke Ja'afri jurisprudence and to turn to Ja'afari Shiite clerics for rulings. (In clear contrast, al-Wahhab held a particular animosity towards the Shiite and held them to be apostates. As recently as the 1990s, clerics such as bin Baz -- the former Mufti -- and Abdullah Jibrin reiterated the customary view that the Shiite were infidels).

Some contemporary Saudi ulema would regard such reforms as constituting almost a provocation against Wahhabist doctrines, or at the very least, another example of westernization. ISIS, for example, regards any who seek jurisdiction other than that offered by the Islamic State itself to be guilty of disbelief -- since all such "other" jurisdictions embody innovation or "borrowings" from other cultures in its view.

The key political question is whether the simple fact of ISIS' successes, and the full manifestation (flowering) of all the original pieties and vanguardism of the archetypal impulse, will stimulate and activate the dissenter 'gene' -- within the Saudi kingdom.

If it does, and Saudi Arabia is engulfed by the ISIS fervor, the Gulf will never be the same again. Saudi Arabia will deconstruct and the Middle East will be unrecognizable.
"They hold up a mirror to Saudi society that seems to reflect back to them an image of 'purity' lost"

In short, this is the nature of the time bomb tossed into the Middle East. The ISIS allusions to Abd al-Wahhab and Juhayman (whose dissident writings are circulated within ISIS) present a powerful provocation: they hold up a mirror to Saudi society that seems to reflect back to them an image of "purity" lost and early beliefs and certainties displaced by shows of wealth and indulgence.

This is the ISIS "bomb" hurled into Saudi society. King Abdullah -- and his reforms -- are popular, and perhaps he can contain a new outbreak of Ikwhani dissidence. But will that option remain a possibility after his death?

And here is the difficulty with evolving U.S. policy, which seems to be one of "leading from behind" again -- and looking to Sunni states and communities to coalesce in the fight against ISIS (as in Iraq with the Awakening Councils).

It is a strategy that seems highly implausible. Who would want to insert themselves into this sensitive intra-Saudi rift? And would concerted Sunni attacks on ISIS make King Abdullah's situation better, or might it inflame and anger domestic Saudi dissidence even further? So whom precisely does ISIS threaten? It could not be clearer. It does not directly threaten the West (though westerners should remain wary, and not tread on this particular scorpion).

The Saudi Ikhwani history is plain: As Ibn Saud and Abd al-Wahhab made it such in the 18th century; and as the Saudi Ikhwan made it such in the 20th century. ISIS' real target must be the Hijaz -- the seizure of Mecca and Medina -- and the legitimacy that this will confer on ISIS as the new Emirs of Arabia.

**Carmody** · 3rd September 2014 14:46

Kinda reminds me of the attempt at the creation legitimacy for every single world state that has come before:

Kill and destroy all that has come before...and be brutal enough, for long enough, that enough generations pass for people to be born into it--- and think and feel of it as being the normal state of affairs.

This is shown in how North Americans feel they have a god given right and have been around 'forever'..., after the slaughter and utter destruction of the holders of the continent that came before.... and the Israelis born in modern Palestine, which they hold as 'Israel', which is merely a more recent & similar abomination.

Thus is the story of human history, for millennia.

Oligarch and sociopath games are more to the core of these origins in all of human history's violent turnovers and wholesale slaughters/oppression/maniacal states/religions.

Strike down the oligarch and the sick sociopaths, find and eliminate them, wholly and genetically.... and these nightmares will finally end.

That is why I started the 'brainscans and prisoners' thread, as that is one of if not ~the~ key doorways to ending thousands of years of violent nightmares.

**thunder24** · 3rd September 2014 14:49

http://www.prisonplanet.com/gen-mcin...uild-isis.html

During an appearance on Fox News, General Thomas McInerney acknowledged that the United States “helped build ISIS” as a result of the group obtaining weapons from the Benghazi consulate in Libya which was attacked by jihadists in September 2012.......

....CNN subsequently reported that dozens of CIA agents were on the ground in Benghazi during the attack and that the polygraph tests were mandated in order to prevent operatives from talking to Congress or the media about a program that revolved around “secretly helping to move surface-to-air missiles out of Libya, through Turkey, and into the hands of Syrian rebels.” Key Syrian rebel leaders later defected to join ISIS.
In addition to ISIS obtaining weapons from Benghazi, many members of the group were also trained by the United States at a secret base in Jordan in 2012.

...As we have previously documented, many of the United States’ biggest allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey and Qatar, have all bankrolled and armed ISIS militants.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ePngKYpQT4Q

**jagman** · 3rd September 2014 17:15

I'm calling BS on this one! The real aim of ISIS is to establish an Islamic Caliphate to
take over and impose Sharia Law.

**turiya** · 3rd September 2014 18:36

RED ICE INTERVIEWS PATRICK HENNINGSEN
ISIS & ISRAEL'S STRATEGY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=d3JYLlxCnRQ

Henrik: How have you viewed ISIS since it emerged only really a few months ago on the media's radar of what this is about, and who's behind it, Patrick?

Patrick Henningsen: I've been following ISIS long before it has hit the headlines. Recently, of course, with the Islamic State of Iraq in the Levant in Syria as part of the so-called "Opposition", fighting against the Syrian government alongside the FSA. But its important that people understand, particularly since this ISIS issue is getting wall-to-wall coverage in the U.S. media. I mean, it will not turn itself off on any of the news channels, be it CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, which are just banging on about ISIS... That ISIS is targeting the Pope, they said today. ISIS wants Lady al Qaeda freed from a US jail. ISIS is coming to America to attack Americans. So, they are really ramping-up the fear. But it doesn't have the emotional hold that al Qaeda had after 911, obviously, because there hasn't been any US-based terror attack or tragedy as part of the story.

So, where does ISIS come from?
Right now, if you've listened to the US State Department, or if you've listen to the Pentagon spokespeople, like Rear Admiral Kirby or Anderson Cooper on CNN, or Wolf Blitzer, they will have you think that ISIS somehow sprung out of Syria. That is not true.

ISIS essentially, the elements of ISIS, have come from two places.
The first is Irag before the Syrian civil war. The second is Libya. So, if we look back at Libya, when we saw the black al Qaeda flags flying over the courthouse in Benghazi in 2011 & 2012, that is essentially the first kind of sighting of that kind of group. And we also saw the same flags flying in places in Iraq.

So, what happened?
NATO basically allied itself with jihadist groups in order to overthrow the Gaddafi government. And, one in particular leader & organizer that they had employed & his name was Abdel Hakim Belhaj who happened to be detained in Guantanamo Bay for a number of years. Somehow, for unknown reasons released, appears in Libya at the perfect time of the downfall of Gaddafi. And now, he's the governor of Tripoli who was also organizing the recruitment of fighters to transfer to Syria in 2012.

Here's another one, named Airat Vakhitov who was from Chechnya, he was also interned in Guantanamo Bay at the same time as Bekhadj, he was then released. And he is leading fighting force in Syria, very extremist Islamic fighting forces, I might add.

So, you can kind of see these are the roots of ISIS. And in addition, we have a group called Front Victory [Front victory for the Syrian people] , who was operating as a part of the insurgency in Iraq, and I believe receiving funding probably from Saudi Arabia. And they also were moved into Syria in 2012 & 2013. So, you have this kind of movement from Libya from Iraq, as part of the insurgency, and then moved into Syria as the civil war began. The US has turned a "blind eye" to just about everything going on with Islamic fighters in Syria, because they believe it helped to mitigate the Asad government & the Syrian army's efforts to quell the opposition. So basically, they turned a blind, they turned a blind eye to terrorists - young kids coming from Europe and US or further afield - easily track-able. They have every ability to know where these kids are coming from & where they're heading. But they turned a 'blind eye' because they saw this as part of the effort for regime change in Syria. So again, allowing this thing to build up.

And so, we have the consolidation of the al-Nusra Front, that is a Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar definitely had, I believe, full control & financial control over the al-Nusra Front. They consolidated a number of terror groups into a bigger al-Nusra Front operating in Syria. And splinter groups were broken off, people moved from one group to another, maybe one group paid more than another.

So you had this movement. Everybody - most of them are getting paid from the officer level up, $50 a month up to $2000 if you're a general or co-odinator. And all these salaries are being paid for by Saudi Arabian financial sources & Qatar financial sources. So, that emirate, along with Saudi Arabia, are basically funding the ISIS Crisis. So you could the whole thing in about fourteen days if you were to cut off funding. Both of those countries are allies of the United States & Great Britain. The United States has its central command & control based in Doha, Qatar & also the 6th Fleet based in Doha.

So, its not that we don't have very deep ties with the country of Qatar. And of course, I don't need to tell you about U.S. & British ties to Saudi Arabia & how deep those go on the political & economic level. So, its not as if we don't have some influence, but we are allowing this to happen.

And you have to be skeptical of the ISIS Crisis. I mean, back in the 1980s, the open recruitment at various U.S. cities were mujahideen to go to Afghanistan to fight. That was common. You had recruitment centers in places Tuscon, Arizona & places like Seattle, Washington. This was back in the 80's. So this thing has happened with ISIS around Europe, but the recruitment is done a little more under the radar through mosques & through other assorted Islamic community groups. And also with most - absolutely, more than likely, with the involvement of informants from the Intelligence agencies - they're all over the place in all these mosques & groups. So, you'd be very naive to think that they're not aware & don't have a visual on all this recruitment activity coming from Europe.

So, that's the picture we're looking at. And we also have the Muslim Brotherhood really stalked the ranks of what is now ISIL & ISIS between 2012 & 2013 running recruitment activities out of Egypt. They had a Muslim Brotherhood armed & active in Syria from 2010, and also working in Tunisia & Morocco. And there's alot of fighters from that recruitment drive still active in the region. You have to remember, massive unemployment throughout these Muslim countries. A university professor makes $200 per month. So, any salary from $50 to $100 a month is a good wage. And when you can pocket your wages & you can plunder your food & everything else through your conquest activities, obviously, it seems a good financial deal for alot of people.

And they use the Islamic fundamentalist fervor as the kind of 'hook' to get the soldiers involved. And, basically, the psychological profile of these fighters are two-fold. One of them will be a very disturbed - not quite all there. And all the other ones that are absolutely guns-for-hire, like a gang member, will do anything for a buck, shoot anybody for a buck. That's what you basically have - is the unstable, identity crisis, confused religious, mentally disturbed man, and the mercenary. So basically its those two.

(Alot more there in the interview)

turiya

**Snookie** · 3rd September 2014 21:20

Excellent interview. I have to wonder about the guy who was detained in Guantanamo. Could he have been mind controlled, then released to do whatever he was programmed to do? It makes a person wonder what's really going on with some of these people.