How Can We Dislodge the Malicious PTB?

[Omni]

Spoke about this in the At the Ranch and beyond thread, but I thought it deserved it's own topic. I hold the unpopular belief that TPTB cannot be dislodged so easily, if at all without intervention(within like, 500 years or so). In fact I think at this point, they will not be dislodged for a very long time(or global first contact). Time will show this, or not. In 10 years maybe others will hold the same view, if things are the same... Not that it really matters to me if people hold the same view as me.. I do hope Avalon is still here in 10 years... I think a lot will be more evident in such time...

To those who think TPTB will be dislodged by us organically(most of Avalon as it seems), how on earth could this happen? I am open to changing my view if someone is persuasive enough. TPTB is obsessive over keeping it's position. I wouldn't be surprised if the first thing they had as an imperative of their AI, is to figure out how to stay in power as long as possible...

I am not a pessimist. I guess I'm not a optimist either. When asked if the glass is half full or half empty, one reply I had was it's filled midway, IIRC I filled in both options on the questionnaire... I just don't see any possible way of dislodging them. They have considered every single possibility. Celebs are mind controlled, media is controlled, tainted, or mostly unseen. Our genetics are so badly sabotaged and separated from divinity that people are lost on earth very frequently(waitin on Jesus to save us, or worse, expecting the world to end so who gives a dam). The souls on earth seem to be mostly young souls, or darker souls, with some ascendant souls who came here to help(kind of, as I'm not sure many actually volunteer for such things as much as they are picked in a lottery, could be wrong though there). Point being our spiritual watermark is not that high from what Ive observed. Planets like earth are the hells of the universe, and I theorize many souls sent here were sent as a form of punishment or because they weren't grown on a soulular level enough to stay on their post global first contact ET planets... Every aspect of our society is infiltrated. And it is not all by one source. The way negative ETs and their minions have set up the global conspiracy is no one person, or group of persons, are essential to the operation of said conspiracy... It seems doesn't matter who we arrest, there are still operators of the conspiracy.

How do we dislodge the ones mind controlling people? They are nameless people behind the scenes. Discovering who they are is a task I'm not sure is possible without ET help...

I'll spare avalon too much of my pessimism in this respect though. I could write much more about how they have a stranglehold on our society... I don't mean to cause depression...

I ask you this. How on EARTH, can we dislodge TPTB?????!!!! Please give specifics. Not just answers like "with love and intent!" as that does not really answer anything. I guess if you want to give vague answers I shouldn't try to control that. But I just don't think those types of answers are productive in answering the question...

I hope my view is drastically changed by some bright people here, as I seem to be in the vast minority in thinking our only hope is intervention along with sturdy ground crews helping change the world for the better. Intervention isn't that far out IMO, as dark ETs have quite well(with their human minions), fully set up the dark net that is the global conspiracy. So why not a balancing force to give us a little assistance. I am NOT saying they will save us from ourselves so much as assist us in areas we have absolutely no hope of succeeding in... This thread isn't really about if intervention is plausible. I don't find value in the posts saying I am wrong in thinking intervention is part of the only way to do this... If you feel I am wrong, than please give ways of dislodging TPTB. I await a solution to this... But I don't expect one...

I'll reiterate the main question, How do we dislodge TPTB, give specifics please.

[Agape]

Aren't the means to achieve that also a part of the result itself ?

Can you think of any 'righteous means' to fix the world is number one question . I know you do , lets think most of us think of doing what is right and true to ourselves and others as a way of improving human society .
On the other hand - people who focus on improving other people often fail to do so because about half of their 'subjects' , at least, resist improvement and most probably, never needed it in the first place .
The PTB consist of people who think/thought they can fix it for all of us . They built their power on fixing others lives .
For each of them there comes natural end as well .. the question is, what then ?

We can use tricks to outsmart someone ..till that someone does not learn what the trick is . Power of tricks is short-lived .

What has to survive us is righteousness .


If most people on earth did right instead wrong , and simply kept to not causing harm to each other ..that itself would make a change . Who would ever call for a dictator or a group of them ,
if you did not want to handle someone else in the society, someone with opposing views .

So I think, opposing views are the problem , at first place .. applicable to about everything .

I ask that myself only too often and can mankind do without arguments ?


Is there any way you can arrange this without violence and deceit ? Talk to those you consider 'top dogs' and challenge them to do better ?


Sorry I don't mean to be vague or sound like one of your preachers


If you have very good solution on paper .. you can possibly dislodge any sort of government in few hours . What happens next ... is usually martial law ..that's also like 'Martian law' .

Next is .. illegal aliens ..

[grannyfranny100]

It takes time. Each generation has a different take on our society and adds their perspective to our culture. During the past few generations values have changed significantly. Watch some old movies and icons of music to observe changes; don't just sneer at stuff from yesteryear. Read the Avalon posts about how things were in grandparent times versus now.

Changes seem to be happening more quickly these days because of the internet. Everyone's views spread more quickly now. Join groups that express your viewpoint and help them spread your message. You are already influencing our culture with your music!

[yelik]

Very good question with no easy answer. It is only in the last 12 months that I started down the rabbit hole, (relative newbie) to try and figure out the power structure of the earth, understand thine enemy as it were. At first I was very p***** off for being duped but felt very compelled to find out more and ultimately do something about it. Easier said than done, TPTB are the casino and they can see your cards.

It is apparent that the illuminati, elites, TPTB, secret shadow government or whatever name they go by are real and have an unhealthy influence on just about every aspect of our lives. The Zionist cabal / city of London banksters appear to be agents of action. Unfortunately each time I mention these groups on PA folks go quiet, so, there in lies one problem.

In my opinion it's no good being awakened if you do nothing about it, in the words of Martin
Luther King "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"

I think that if people fail to take an interest in the problems and injustices of our world then you are right Omniverse and things will get worse and the illuminati will destroy themselves before we the people get round to it. I for one constantly badger politicians for answers, one issue at a time, I'm in the process of cornering my local politician on chemtrails.

Just like the illuminati cleverly pursue their plans over many generations I think we are also faced with gradual awakening and realisation of the masses. Although I find it hard to believe that some good people within our Governments, Military as well as religious leaders are not thinking like we are, regardless of the bribes, they'd have to be non-human if they are not!

Nevertheless I do not think theTPTB will give up there wealth and power without a fight, these people believe they are superior in every respect , but without stripping the world of its wealth they'd be no more than pathetic Psychopaths

Personal Actions
Do not watch MSM
Do not vote
Live a simple and healthy lifestyle as possible
Avoid being materialistic
No debts
Constantly educate oneself
Raise awareness at every opportunity
Badger politicians and challenge their moral values
Maintain a righteous mind

World
ET's aside, how does the human race accept these flaws and learn to live a good and righteous life without first pushing ourselves to near destruction?

Step 1 Universal acceptance of the destructive flaws within human nature

Step 2 A Global Agreement / Constitution which outlaws and prevents any act which is bad for man/women, society, earth or cosmos

Step 3 Screening and filtering of all leaders (no Pscho’s/hybrids)

Step 4 Fail safe mechanisms

We always talk about awakening the masses but so much time will have past when the truth comes out that nobody will be bothered, TPTB know us better than we know ourselves.

in the words of Margaret Mead, "we should never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world, it is the only thing that ever has"

To this end I am involved with a small group of dedicated truth seekers where we are looking to raise awareness of key global issues through expert input and evaluation.

Speaking the truth should not be considered a revolutionary act!

[sandy]

Yeah yelik!!

I'm with you and agree totally with your response.

I believe the more we can "Be the Change", stop pointing fingers and take responsibility for our actions and life and join together with others who do the same, the process of the world changing happens. I have posted several times the steps I take to lead a simple and sovereign life and yes it does mean sacrifice in comforts, pleasures and belonging but it is important to walk your talk for change to truly happen in ones life. Change including change at a Global level is a process and one free from TPTB, I won't likely see to fruition at my age.

However, if every person takes one small step each day toward self responsibility in all areas of their life then it will be one huge step for humanity as time passes and TPTB will no longer have the power that is so readily facilitated today. Stay strong and do your part as best you can in walking your talk of freedom from bondage of TPTB.

Posted by yelik (here)
Very good question with no easy answer. It is only in the last 12 months that I started down the rabbit hole, (relatively newbie) to try and figure out the power structure of the earth, understand thine enemy as it were. At first I was very p***** off for being duped but felt very compelled to find out more and ultimately do something about it. Easier said than done, TPTB are the casino and they can see your cards.

It is apparent that the illuminati, elites, TPTB, secret shadow government or whatever name they go by are real and have an unhealthy influence on just about every aspect of our lives. The Zionist cabal / city of London banksters appear to be agents of action. Unfortunately each time I mention these groups on PA folks go quiet, so, there in lies one problem.

In my opinion it's no good being awakened if you do nothing about it, in the words of Martin
Luther King "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"

I think that if people fail to take an interest in the problems and injustices of our world then you are right Omniverse and things will get worse and the illuminati will destroy themselves before we the people get round to it. I for one constantly badger politicians for answers, one issue at a time, I'm in the process of cornering my local politician on chemtrails.

Just like the illuminati cleverly pursue their plans over many generations I think we are also faced with gradual awakening and realisation of the masses. Although I find it hard to believe that some good people within our Governments, Military as well as religious leaders are not thinking like we are, regardless of the bribes, they'd have to be non-human if they are not!

Nevertheless I do not think theTPTB will give up there wealth and power without a fight, these people believe they are superior in every respect , but without stripping the world of its wealth they'd be know more than pathetic Psychopaths

Personal Actions
Do not watch MSM
Do not vote
Live a simple and healthy lifestyle as possible
Avoid being materialistic
No debts
Constantly educate oneself
Raise awareness at every opportunity
Badger politicians and challenge their moral values
Maintain a righteous mind

World
ET's aside, how does the human race accept these flaws and learn to live a good and righteous life without first pushing ourselves to near destruction?

Step 1 Universal acceptance of the destructive flaws within human nature

Step 2 A Global Agreement / Constitution which outlaws and prevents any act which is bad for man/women, society, earth or cosmos

Step 3 Screening and filtering of all leaders (no Pscho’s/hybrids)

Step 4 Fail safe mechanisms

We always talk about awakening the masses but so much time will have past when the truth comes out that nobody will be bothered, TPTB know us better than we know ourselves.

in the words of Margaret Mead, "we should never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world, it is the only thing that ever has"

To this end I am involved with a small group of dedicated truth seekers where we are looking to raise awareness of key global issues through expert input and evaluation.

Speaking the truth should not be considered a revolutionary act!

[sigma6]

By understanding our superior interest in the trust that potentially exists in the corporate fiction that was created for us. It's a two edge sword. If you don't begin to embrace trust, and it is not something you will learn in a weekend, you will never find your way out of the "rat race" "matrix" what is fast becoming the "Police State".

Like Math, English, and, and... any study... it is a most worthy subject... There are hidden depths to it. You cannot study it and not be affected philosophically in its hidden implications...

another metaphor that just came to mind... it's the "quantum physics" of lawful interpretation. I don't know why that just came to me, but there is some essence to it... It has been quoted that "equity" interpretation which is the basis by which trust is administered "transcends law" and especially legal interpretation. Equity is the bridgework of axiomatic concepts (maxims) upon which laws are built...

Do you want to live your life according to rules? Or would you rather understand how and why those rules came about?

As for "specifics" ... y'all know where to find me...

[Taurean]

The creation of debt is their lifeblood.

Commerce is what they thrive on.

So the easiest place to start is to stop buying things we don't need.

In peace time, Property/Real estate transactions are their main source.

[Hogswitch]

I see a potential problem with dislodging "them". I read a post suggesting that we don't buy things we don't need and at first I strongly agreed with this, it's something I try to do in my life. I understand how it seems to make sense to cut off their cash flow. In the same spirit we might refuse to work for them too. If possible take jobs that serve people's real needs not those that line the pockets of the elite. But then I thought about what the intention behind doing these things is and it seems that what we are aiming to do is bring down the system. Now I'm not saying this is practical but for the sake of argument lets say a huge group of people pulled all their money out of the banks at the same time. Now we know they don't actually have the funds to cover this and this kind of action would most likely bring them down. Then I realised that I had been hearing the whistle blowers saying that financial collapse is exactly what "they" want. Can you see the problem here? If we actually could take some effective action to "dislodge TPTB" wouldn't that deliver exactly the kind of chaotic situation that they want, the kind of situation that would allow them to tighten their control and establish their centralised, global "NWO". You see the dilemma, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs but breaking those eggs might just allow the Master chefs to cook up something that tastes even worse.

[Observer1964]

Just look at history, Ghandi showed us how its done.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-WGnFzpGKEs

On a personal note; We need to eshtablish a goal, what do we want?
just removing the PTB without changing the system in wich it flourishes will end up in our (grand)children having to do it again.

So maybe we focus on other systems like RBE as promoted by Zeitgeist, or Ubuntu movement, Study alternatives like Eldorica and the book of Iarga etc.
I think if enough ppl are aware of a better way we will manifest it despite the powers that were.
As long as we need leaders we will get leaders (that we deserve).

[Taurean]

With all the disparities, injustices and blatant frauds we are having to endure at the moment I get the impression that the masses are being goaded into some sort of reaction so that Martial Law can be effected.

TBH we are all just waiting for the inevitable to happen.

[Roisin]

We dislodge TPTB by not buying their products. IOW's, we quit being consumers and instead rely on our own local resources to produce what ever we need for survival.

[gardener2]

I couldn't agree more Hogswitch what would happen if we really could get rid of them? no doubt there would be anarchy on a scale we simply couldn't begin to imagine, and ultimately we may go back to tribal communities. Have to say though Ghandi one single man changed India, but with tremendous courage and a lot of pain. omniverse poses really difficult question's this one is the most difficult one to even try to answer, thanks omniverse. gardener 2 x

[Daphne]

stop spending money on anything you don't need. that would take care of them fairly quickly if we did this en masse.

[Lifebringer]

Well...Remember how the spirits that were for the bad guys came in the movie Ghost with Patrick Swayze? That is how I see them getting out of here. By divine intervention upon a united world's prayer to do so if they are harming us. Critical mass can do so with Creator's help, all we have to do is ask.

But the heart of compassion for all the harm done, must be in that prayer. The feeling of loss and sadness to ask in prayer, is one way to have them removed. We must meditate and connect if our children are to have a future, free of corporate behind closed boardroom doors. That is what we are supposed to be doing. If you're not connecting to your higher self, which is connected to Source Creator, then how can you hear within. For those who are not at least devoting 15 to 30 minutes of practice everyday in complete quiet, it will be a little difficult to connect. So let's tune in and turn them out.

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Don't spend your money on companies killing people or the planet and life on it, in it. Try and replace all those companies do, with good companies who practice cleaner and more safer products. Our money is just as good as their's only it takes a lot more out of us to get ours, therefore, spend your money according to your heart. Put your money on LOVE for ALL THAT IS and shed the tentacles of destruction.

[Omni]

Stopping spending money will not dislodge the mind controllers. They get their money from taxes. So to stop that we would have to stop working or stop paying taxes. And even then, they already have their net set up.

Ghandi wasn't dealing with something as massive or nearly as powerful as this.

A revolution in America, should it happen, would be greeted with a shutdown of the internet, and martial law. Hardly a solution. Also a revolution would not dislodge TPTB, it would just force them to improvise.

Still don't see a solution given in this thread that I find satisfactory. I think the best suggestion is simply generational changes, and even then, TPTB would evolve with it and still be in power, even as the world gets better... Maybe in 2200 we will have world peace but I don't see any mechanic that would dislodge the people at the top from making the decisions...

I think hog brings up a good point, that if we collapse the economy it plays into their plans... No revolution would be peaceful with mind control. They would mind control a bunch of idiots to cause chaos and demonize it in the media and it would not have the public's support...

[Lifebringer]

I know but they won't expect, as many as possible like the MLK march for justice, no war, and peace and love, go to DC in numbers and carry a red heart. We just have to set a date for everybody in every nation to come out and march to their capitals w/a heart and a tear on the sign. Or perhaps a "WE Want OUR Future Back!" OR the ever more popular every day slogan that really works when confronting power. "NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE." in a heart sign. America in a heart shape, w/a crack that says "WE WANT OUR GOVERNMENT BACK" "2-0-1-4, BRIBED POLITICIANS GO OUT THE DOOR!!" "2-0-1-6, AMERICAN'S GET RID OF POLITICAL TRICKS."

Until they realize how many are actually on to their game, they will never even think of stopping. ALL WE need is a good meet up date in DC, no party attachements, just come as a human family in peace, yet, determination. Since we all have issues that must be addressed, corrected corruptions, bankers walking and such, perhaps we all need to think of, what issues are right now needed, like pollution in our oceans, streams, lakes killing off our fish, and antibiotic fish farming foods. Ask your politician, if they dare show up, what they think of the low counts of fish in our streams, oceans while we are paying taxes, spending money, and not catching anything but UV rays? They have given them permission to farm inland, and take our potable water sources for business/profit. That is their next move to own the water resources, so..Ask your politician if they will keep PUBLIC POTABLE WATER SOURCES public and not give it to businesses to lower the drinking table and pollute w/their waste. There is another couple of diddies that will send them running for the hills to duck their donor's company doing the polluting.

Bottom line is, we're smarter than to be set up, and smart enough not to let them "use" martial law to finish the ptw agenda. See it's all collapsing like a house of cards, and the people are finding that they've stacked the decks with several aces against them winning. A cat and mouse shall we say, of watching the scramble, then tugging/obstructing the path to success on people at will. WE can do much better than that, because only WE know what we want, and all we have to do, is provide OUR OWN Needs, that will have them knocking like salesman, but our laws will keep them away. They are not part of the future, so why spend your money with those on the way out?

[Lifebringer]

WE are actually hiring representative workers of each state, to carry out the duties the AMERICAN FLESH AND BLOOD PEOPLE NEED done. WE don't need their wars for resources in everybody's backyard. They pillage the ancient sites and have the nerve to put them in the museums of other nations, as if that nation of origin, didn't need the tourist dollars themselves. Pillagers of the villagers, has gone on long enough. So we must hire, the right people, who are not invested by portfolio of their corporate donors. Anything connected to Citizens United businesses, sponsored before the passing, should still be on the data search somewhere. That's a great place to start. If we dump their stuff, they can't keep fighting against us in court.

[yelik]

NESARA (or GESARA) TO BE OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED WORLDWIDE

Here's another approach being discussed

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hyU8QR1PpNQ#t=272