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    Default Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

    I am going to explain a bit, from my perspective,, some of the implications of the experimentation that is going on in the Quantum Physics World. I am not a physicist, but many of these concepts ring to me,,, like a Bell...

    Anyone who thinks that we DO NOT create our own realities,, is going to have a hard time with this. Earth Humans only have a tiny sphere of knowledge to base their attitudes regarding reality. I say Attitudes, because it is attitudes and emotional bias that is keeping humans from embracing the implications of Quantum Mechanics. People cite 'victimization' and 'circumstance' as a doorway to completely turn a blind eye to the implications of what we have discovered. Whereas, victimization and circumstance must be addressed,, I'd rather we didn't simply turn our backs on these amazing implications altogether.

    Bruce Lipton has said in his research that his entire world view changed (regarding teaching and understanding DNA) when he realized that we are NOT predisposed to diseases simply based on genetics, and that it the ENVIRONMENT that is the catalyst for the development of cells, NOT the DNA. On the human level, PERCEPTION of our environment is what is leading the way,, not DNA. The whole point being that we are not predisposed to a certain outcome, based on DNA,, it is our environment, ie,, our perception that is creating our evolutionary chain. On the cellular level, protein chains, amino acids,, etc,,, looking to the DNA to deal with changes in its ENVIRONMENT. At the human level, the environment is our PERCEPTION of it. Which means that we are creating our biological evolution based on our perceptions of reality...

    Okay, simple enough..

    By now, you've all seen or heard about the 'Double Slit Experiment'. The superposition of all probable outcomes, does not break down into a single outcome until it is 'forced' to, by OBSERVATION. Ie,, matter does not come into 'existence' until it is engaged by an observing consciousness. There is NO way around it. All possibilities exist simultaneously until a single probability is 'forced' by observation..

    That is not the strange part.. Though very strange.. Consider this:

    There has been more modern experiments with the Double Slit. In the original version, the observing measurement was taken just before the bucky-balls approached the slits, as to see exactly what happened, which caused the collapse of the wave which freaked everybody out! So what happened when they observing measurement was taken just after the plate with the slits??? A similar outcome but with much stranger implications. The wave function had collapsed, and we observed small particles and not a wave. Hmmmmm... This would mean that the wave function, and all potentials collapsed into a single probability,, again,,, by being observed,, but it was NOT being observed before it hit the slits,,, so how does the wave function collapse BEFORE the slits and BEFORE it is being observed??? So not only does the superimposed wavelike function act like it 'knows' that it is being watched,,, but it also acts like it know that it is 'going to be watched',, and behaves like a particle BEFORE it is observed,,, as if the observing consciousness caused the waveform to travel back in time, and behave as EXPECTED, rather than a simple forced outcome, based on observation...

    Okay, now...


    Schrodengers Cat??




    So a picture begins to emerge. All probabilities and outcomes exist simultaneously in superposition to each other. No single probability exists until forced to by an observing consciousness. All realities are being created with an entire history behind them, even though they are created, moment to moment... All of reality is created and destroyed and recreated,, and we see it as the 'passing of moments',, as time does not exist unless observed either. (Time being merely the rate at which we perceive change..)

    I don't think there is a real question of wether or not we create our realities.. I think it more of a question of how do we take the reigns, and learn to be a player in this game, rather than a passive observer..

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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

    So, consciousness is the cause of the multiverse (perception of matter) and no effect.

    It also means that if there is no pre-existence of consciousness that collapses the wave function, there will be no matter who may die or live.

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    Good one Jake! Although I wouldn't say we create our physical reality entirely, I would say we can influence our physical reality to a great extent by our intent (focused consciousness).

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    Quote Posted by naste.de.lumina (here)
    So, consciousness is the cause of the multiverse (perception of matter) and no effect.

    It also means that if there is no pre-existence of consciousness that collapses the wave function, there will be no matter who may die or live.
    I can see consciousness as spheres pulsing outward from a great center. Pulsing outward in endless spheres of 'knowing'. The 'act of observing', (ie,, questioning different aspects of itself,,) is not the only function of consciousness,, no siree!! Observing, and existing are not the same thing. The fact that (in the second double slit experiment) the waveform collapsed BEFORE it was observed, means (to me) that there is a higher consciousness than the 'observing' part, (which is the 'creating and experiencing' function of consciousness,,) and that the 'observer' becomes limited in scope to its physical perspective, in order to properly OBSERVE. All of this requires a basic acceptance of a higher form of consciousness, and science has everyone convinced that we are only what we observe,,, and that is completely flawed.. We CREATE what we observe, and it all tracks back to a 'Higher Self',, which is not something that folks are ready to embrace. Again, religion and science have led us astray...

    I foresee a world where we teach 'physics' in 'philosophy' class.. lol... I know that physicality is a point of view,,, I can't 'unknow' it... I also know that different spheres of consciousness can bleed through to one another,, and that the life forces within them will interact with ours (our sphere of consciousness..)

    The fact that we create each moment as they come,,, means that this game is NOT over... Not by a long shot!! We still have some amazing things to discover about ourselves. It is going to be fun!!! I can guarantee it!!! The inner struggle that each one of us must take is not in vein... (There is a prized at the end!!!! giggle giggle...)

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    Good one Jake! Although I wouldn't say we create our physical reality entirely, I would say we can influence our physical reality to a great extent by our intent (focused consciousness).
    Focused consciousness and intent are the ways to take back the reigns. But I say it still,,, we DO create it.. I think what we may be disagreeing on is wether or not we create the 'circumstances' within our creation... ie,, are we the 'observer' (the dreamer) or do we take a more active role as the 'dreamer',, and become lucid/awake in the dream???

    Consider a dream, for a moment. Aren't dreams our own creation? Isn't a dream an 'observation' that we are making regarding ourselves and/or the world around us? Do we not create a dreamscape so that at some level, we can work out some of the vital parts of ourselves that our physical minds can't tackle? So when we are dreaming, and I stub my foot on a sofa,,, why then does it hurt?? My foot is not real,, the sofa is not real.. Where does the pain come from? This is not a physical place, so then what makes it physical?? I'll tell you what makes it physical,,, the fact that we have not 'woken up', and realized that it was a dream!!

    Yes, we create it. Again, the real question is how do we become lucid in the dream,, ie,, how do we begin to recreate the circumstances in a way that better reflect a reality that is preferred,, how do we become active in the dream, and not just an observer....

    I'm not discounting your input. Thank you very much,,

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    Quote but it also acts like it know that it is 'going to be watched',, and behaves like a particle BEFORE it is observed
    Well isn't that intent then? I believe the intent is already subconsciously there before it bubbles up into our awareness, and since our subconsciousness is linked to all consciousness (also present in matter too) there is direct effect on the focused subject before the intent is carried out by the actor.

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    Quote but it also acts like it know that it is 'going to be watched',, and behaves like a particle BEFORE it is observed
    Well isn't that intent then? I believe the intent is already subconsciously there before it bubbles up into our awareness, and since our subconsciousness is linked to all consciousness (also present in matter too) there is direct effect on the focused subject before the intent is carried out by the actor.
    Ha! Agreed! You are waaayyy ahead of me. Yes, in a nutshell, that is where I am coming from. So can we say that 'intent'+'observation'='Creation'+'Experience' ??


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    Quote but it also acts like it know that it is 'going to be watched',, and behaves like a particle BEFORE it is observed
    Well isn't that intent then? I believe the intent is already subconsciously there before it bubbles up into our awareness, and since our subconsciousness is linked to all consciousness (also present in matter too) there is direct effect on the focused subject before the intent is carried out by the actor.
    Ha! Agreed! You are waaayyy ahead of me. Yes, in a nutshell, that is where I am coming from. So can we say that 'intent'+'observation'='Creation'+'Experience' ??


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    I'm not sure if we are on the same level when it comes to the Creation part, some mean by this that their consciousness is creating the physical stuff by observing it. My stance is that matter (and its consciousness) is there, if we are observing or intending to experience it or not. However if we do intend to interact with it then we can influence it...
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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

    Quote Well isn't that intent then? I believe the intent is already subconsciously there before it bubbles up into our awareness, and since our subconsciousness is linked to all consciousness (also present in matter too) there is direct effect on the focused subject before the intent is carried out by the actor.
    Also I believe this is like this so that the matter (the outside world) can reflect back to us a reaction based upon our intention.
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    Quote but it also acts like it know that it is 'going to be watched',, and behaves like a particle BEFORE it is observed
    Well isn't that intent then? I believe the intent is already subconsciously there before it bubbles up into our awareness, and since our subconsciousness is linked to all consciousness (also present in matter too) there is direct effect on the focused subject before the intent is carried out by the actor.
    Ha! Agreed! You are waaayyy ahead of me. Yes, in a nutshell, that is where I am coming from. So can we say that 'intent'+'observation'='Creation'+'Experience' ??


    Jake
    I'm not sure if we are on the same level when it comes to the Creation part, some mean by this that their consciousness is creating the physical stuff by observing it. My stance is that matter (and its consciousness) is there despite we are observing or intending to experience it or not. However if we do intend to interact with it then we can influence it...
    Interesting.. Yes, we are not too far off from our different views. Have you ever had a deja vu?? (Silly question, of course you have) What exactly were you experiencing? A memory of a dream? A prediction that came true? Or was it a Creation,,, and the experience thereof?? There seems to be some confusion within the physics world. I say that matter IS consciousness, and that reality is more 'dreamlike' in that it seems physical, until we 'wake up'..

    In fact, physicists are just now diving head over hills into this river of thought. What they are saying is that consciousness is matter, or can be explained in those terms.. Very soon,, they will show that matter is consciousness, and not the other way around.

    Max Tegmark, Physicist at Cornell University has advanced a new theory...

    Consciousness as a State of Matter

    Max Tegmark (MIT)

    (Submitted on 6 Jan 2014 (v1), last revised 27 Feb 2014 (this version, v2))

    We examine the hypothesis that consciousness can be understood as a state of matter, "perceptronium", with distinctive information processing abilities. We explore five basic principles that may distinguish conscious matter from other physical systems such as solids, liquids and gases: the information, integration, independence, dynamics and utility principles. If such principles can identify conscious entities, then they can help solve the quantum factorization problem: why do conscious observers like us perceive the particular Hilbert space factorization corresponding to classical space (rather than Fourier space, say), and more generally, why do we perceive the world around us as a dynamic hierarchy of objects that are strongly integrated and relatively independent? Tensor factorization of matrices is found to play a central role, and our technical results include a theorem about Hamiltonian separability (defined using Hilbert-Schmidt superoperators) being maximized in the energy eigenbasis. Our approach generalizes Giulio Tononi's integrated information framework for neural-network-based consciousness to arbitrary quantum systems, and we find interesting links to error-correcting codes, condensed matter criticality, and the Quantum Darwinism program, as well as an interesting connection between the emergence of consciousness and the emergence of time.


    Perceptronium: perceptronium, []the most general substance that feels subjectively self-aware. This substance should not only be able to store and process information but in a way that forms a unified, indivisible whole. That also requires a certain amount of independence in which the information dynamics is determined from within rather than externally.

    Computronium: the conscious storage and retrieval of information..


    These guys are way off, but it is a start. IMHO... At least they are willing to consider consciousness in there thinking regarding physics.

    Sometimes, it is just a dream that I have no control over. Sometimes,,, I become lucid and alive and so does the dream...

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    Here is an example where I used focus and intent to create reality directly!!!

    Quote I was part of a small mediation group in the late 80's. I was only 14 years old. It was in Yelm, WA, on the JZKnight/Ramtha complex. I was young and naive. We were sitting in a guided mediation, and instructed to visualize a flower. A flower in the palms of our hands... any kind of flower,, any color... etc... This went on for about 45 minutes before we were gently eased out of the meditation...

    Long story short: I sat there for 45 minutes creating this flower,, it was a rose,,, it was not red. Green and Purple, actually. I visualized the stem,, the part where it broke off,, the thorns,, the colors,,, tempurature in my hand,,,, everything...

    I was disapointed because we were going to manifist our thoughts into reality,,, and we left empty handed. pun intended.

    About 4 years later, i was helping fashion some 'thank you' packages for a group in high school,,, we were making little flower arrangements... (we made over 200 of them) Hard to describe the next part,,, it felt like a DejaVu,,, but much more intense. I looked down in my hand,,, and there was my flower!!! The one that I created in mediation... All at once time seemed to stop for me... it was intense!!!! It was exactly how i created it... looking down in my physical hand, was the rose that i created in my imagination!!! It changed everything for me. I realized that a Dejavu is not an example of when we 'predicted' reality,,, it is an example of when we 'created' it. From a dream,or from a meditation,,, And the entirety of our realities are created from a perspective that we are rarely aware of....
    We do create our realities.

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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

    Replace 'observer' to 'participant'.

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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

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    Quote but it also acts like it know that it is 'going to be watched',, and behaves like a particle BEFORE it is observed
    Well isn't that intent then? I believe the intent is already subconsciously there before it bubbles up into our awareness, and since our subconsciousness is linked to all consciousness (also present in matter too) there is direct effect on the focused subject before the intent is carried out by the actor.
    Ha! Agreed! You are waaayyy ahead of me. Yes, in a nutshell, that is where I am coming from. So can we say that 'intent'+'observation'='Creation'+'Experience' ??


    Jake
    I'm not sure if we are on the same level when it comes to the Creation part, some mean by this that their consciousness is creating the physical stuff by observing it. My stance is that matter (and its consciousness) is there despite we are observing or intending to experience it or not. However if we do intend to interact with it then we can influence it...
    Interesting.. Yes, we are not too far off from our different views. Have you ever had a deja vu?? (Silly question, of course you have) What exactly were you experiencing? A memory of a dream? A prediction that came true? Or was it a Creation,,, and the experience thereof?? There seems to be some confusion within the physics world. I say that matter IS consciousness, and that reality is more 'dreamlike' in that it seems physical, until we 'wake up'..

    In fact, physicists are just now diving head over hills into this river of thought. What they are saying is that consciousness is matter, or can be explained in those terms.. Very soon,, they will show that matter is consciousness, and not the other way around.

    Max Tegmark, Physicist at Cornell University has advanced a new theory...

    Consciousness as a State of Matter

    Max Tegmark (MIT)

    (Submitted on 6 Jan 2014 (v1), last revised 27 Feb 2014 (this version, v2))

    We examine the hypothesis that consciousness can be understood as a state of matter, "perceptronium", with distinctive information processing abilities. We explore five basic principles that may distinguish conscious matter from other physical systems such as solids, liquids and gases: the information, integration, independence, dynamics and utility principles. If such principles can identify conscious entities, then they can help solve the quantum factorization problem: why do conscious observers like us perceive the particular Hilbert space factorization corresponding to classical space (rather than Fourier space, say), and more generally, why do we perceive the world around us as a dynamic hierarchy of objects that are strongly integrated and relatively independent? Tensor factorization of matrices is found to play a central role, and our technical results include a theorem about Hamiltonian separability (defined using Hilbert-Schmidt superoperators) being maximized in the energy eigenbasis. Our approach generalizes Giulio Tononi's integrated information framework for neural-network-based consciousness to arbitrary quantum systems, and we find interesting links to error-correcting codes, condensed matter criticality, and the Quantum Darwinism program, as well as an interesting connection between the emergence of consciousness and the emergence of time.


    Perceptronium: perceptronium, []the most general substance that feels subjectively self-aware. This substance should not only be able to store and process information but in a way that forms a unified, indivisible whole. That also requires a certain amount of independence in which the information dynamics is determined from within rather than externally.

    Computronium: the conscious storage and retrieval of information..


    These guys are way off, but it is a start. IMHO... At least they are willing to consider consciousness in there thinking regarding physics.

    Sometimes, it is just a dream that I have no control over. Sometimes,,, I become lucid and alive and so does the dream...

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    I'm not sure what a Deja Vu is, very synchronistic of you to bring to up now, this morning I've actually thought about deja vu's. I think it's caused by the same mechanism just described: it is the awareness that the subconscious has already experienced what your about to experience because the future experience is anticipated by the subconscious.

    I find it very difficult to reason based on abstract meanings like consciousness. Some equate what is called the Unified field with a sea of consciousness. The Unified field is coined by scientist to be at the basis of everything, in short it is the field that connects everything. Some call this the field of God-consciousness, or the one who is aware of everything, through everything.

    But then there's also individualized consciousness, the type we humans have. It is hooked up to the big grid of consciousness, yet it creates the illusion of separateness to create a contrived situation of learning, so that we are repeatedly confronted with what we put out into the world (the mechanism of what we put out is what we get back)
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    Material fact vs Belief,, (Science vs Religion.) Consciousness isn't 'physical'.. Science cannot go outside of what is not physical,, ie, what can be measured... Now we have scientific 'belief', defining reality, and how we think.. NASA Physicist and fellow Pioneer in the OBE and consciousness,, Tom Campbell explains modern 'mind/matter' experimentation forces physicists into a world that is not 'physical'. The fear amongst scientists may lie in the 'belief' that if we cannot go forward (with regards physical measurement and particle physics) then we are bound to go BACK to the old 'belief system',, dogmatic/fear based religious mindset. Yet, there is no reason that we cannot go FORWARD. Particle physics is like a set of 'training wheels' for your bike, when you are a kid.. Those training wheels must come off,, if you are ever going to 'ride free, like the big kids'.. Please do not misunderstand me... If you do not agree with what I am saying, that doesn't mean that I think you are a kid, or childish,,, no way.. I am only referring to our current condition as humans as being childlike, in that we have no clue (overall) how fast, and how profound the 'potentials' are, that are about to dawn on us!! (Remember here that 'potentials' only break superposition when 'observation' forces it to..)

    Tom Campbell can explain it a bit better than I...



    There is enough evidence in modern experimentation (IMHO) to conclude that physical reality starts and ends from the non-physical,, NOT the other way around..

    Jake.
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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

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    Material fact vs Belief,, (Science vs Religion.) Consciousness isn't 'physical'.. Science cannot go outside of what is not physical,, ie, what can be measured... Now we have scientific 'belief', defining reality, and how we think.. NASA Physicist and fellow Pioneer in the OBE and consciousness,, Tom Campbell explains modern 'mind/matter' experimentation forces physicists into a world that is not 'physical'. The fear amongst scientists may lie in the 'belief' that if we cannot go forward (with regards physical measurement and particle physics) then we are bound to go BACK to the old 'belief system',, dogmatic/fear based religious mindset. Yet, there is no reason that we cannot go FORWARD. Particle physics is like a set of 'training wheels' for your bike, when you are a kid.. Those training wheels must come off,, if you are ever going to 'ride free, like the big kids'.. Please do not misunderstand me... If you do not agree with what I am saying, that doesn't mean that I think you are a kid, or childish,,, no way.. I am only referring to our current condition as humans as being childlike, in that we have no clue (overall) how fast, and how profound the 'potentials' are, that are about to dawn on us!! (Remember here that 'potentials' only break superposition when 'observation' forces it to..)

    Tom Campbell can explain it a bit better than I...



    There is enough evidence in modern experimentation (IMHO) to conclude that physical reality starts and ends from the non-physical,, NOT the other way around..

    Jake.
    I don't see it as a 'versus' thing... for me the science (quantum physics) mostly is an incredible catalyst to move into a new more valid belief system. Quantum Physics has actually broken the materialistic newtonian model of separateness. I believe science has the potential to dive even more deeper into the spirit realm. We only need another genius to make a new leap. And there will be new geniuses, simply because (human) consciousness is forever expanding.
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    I don't see it as a 'versus' thing... for me the science (quantum physics) mostly is an incredible catalyst to move into a new more valid belief system. Quantum Physics has actually broken the materialistic newtonian model of separateness. I believe science has the potential to dive even more deeper into the spirit realm. We only need another genius to make a new leap. And there will be new geniuses, simply because (human) consciousness is forever expanding.
    Indeed, I don't see it as a 'vs' thing either. But the dogmatic elements of science DO see it that way, and likening scientists to PRIESTS of the modern day,, is a good comparison,, in that we have given them the authority to push their BELIEFS onto us... The broadening of our scope (Points of view) to encompass a more integrated relationship between the physical, and the non-physical is inevitable.

    Much experimentation is occurring!!! And we will push through...

    Princeton Engineering Anomalous Research is one of the leaders in bridging the gap between the physical, and non-physical..

    They have taken Random Event Generators (REG) and began experimenting with these devices, and documenting the 'randomness' of patters,, with regards direct, or non-direct human focus and/or interaction.. The results are fascinating... They are getting very sophisticated results.. They are measuring and quantifying (what they are calling) 'conscious fields',, as they effect the R.E.G. A detailed experimentation into these phenomenon is underway... You can't get much more scientific than this... Here is a PDF,, explaining the hypothesis... There is no longer a question of IF consciousness creates the matter and the reality,, the question is 'how do begin to control the reality that superposition collapses into'? There is no IF!!! These experiments with technological devices are showing that the physical process, and the 'information' that are the variables/potentials are greatly effected by 'thought fields' and 'consciousness fields'... (Other scientists are doing similar research with plants/nature...)




    This company here has taken the REG devices and put them in your own hand for experimentation...

    Here is the next step,,, mark my word...

    What if a company were to put out a device that we could 'entrain' our minds with,,, so that whenever we thought about the device,, it would detect it,, and it would 'flip a switch'...??? I might have to spend 5 or 6 hours entraining my mind to the device, but after I did,, every time that I thought about the device, it would switch,, ie,,,, turn on a light, or unlock a door,, etc.... Do you see where I am going?? Maybe they can come out with a device that is like a 'mouse' for the computer,, entrain our minds with the functionality of a mouse,,, (with the right tech, of course) and now I am pointing and clicking with my mind.

    The implications are neverending... Completely off the charts. The science is already there, what is missing,,, is a world wide 'embracing' of the fact that our thoughts and our minds, and our consciousness is not a passive player,, but a participant.

    Could be a game changer...... It dovetails right into AI, ET's and what we have learned about the potentials of human thought...

    Jake.
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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

    Jake, you might also find the videos below interesting. The first one is about experiments done that measure the effects of (global) intent of consciousness on a physical random number generator. The second one about how the mind can already instruct a computer with only thought... although it isn't really a tap into consciousness, but "only" a signal detector of brain waves.



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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

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    I don't think there is a real question of wether or not we create our realities.. I think it more of a question of how do we take the reigns, and learn to be a player in this game, rather than a passive observer..

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    Hi Jake,

    Some time ago I attempted to address this question in an earlier thread on this same subject. For those members interested, one may find the content of that thread, here:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...s-the-hologram

    When one looks at an apple, every individual observing that apple sees an image we all agree upon, that is of an apple. If we all created our own realities at random, we would all see something different than the apple we have all agreed upon. One must conclude, therefore, something is controlling the way in which the wave form collapses to construct the common image of the apple.

    So, the answer to your question is basic stuff:
    • First we must all agree to the identity of what controls the way in which the wave form collapses.
    • Next we must all agree to the method in which that control mechanism functions.
    • Last we must all agree to what changes are necessary.

    Without an influence over the mechanism that controls reality, The Mass of Humanity will remain inmates in a prison system. The technical aspects of this prison system can be traced all the way back to the Dawn of Man. The mechanisms of control reach far back into remote antiquity. The global population is, for the most part, a dumbed-down species, by design.

    Does any member suppose the Demiurge in charge of this system will give-up its power over the Consciousness of Humanity any time soon?

    In my humble opinion, the evidence just doesn't support such a result.

    With no influence over the control mechanism, all we can hope to do is make an individual change, and assume the rest of the Masses will choose the same course.

    Since it is highly unlikely the Mass of Humanity will discover the way to put an end to these obscenities (the mechanism has been in place since the Dawn of Man); and, since the system appears to be a Soul Trap leading to perpetuity; my suggesting to any member with the intellect, is to figure-out a way one might get out of the box.
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    Default Re: Quantum Physics, the Double Slit Experiment and the Inseperability of Matter and Consciousness.

    Nanci Danison had a profound NDE. When she was out of body she found that her thoughts instantly manifested physical forms. She then realized that we manifest what humans perceive as physical reality. We manifest what we experience on Earth. She had access to Universal Knowledge where she learned about manifesting.

    "The sleeper must awaken," quote by Duke Leto Atreides from the movie, Dune.


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