+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 50

Thread: What is evil?

  1. Link to Post #21
    United States Avalon Member raregem's Avatar
    Join Date
    1st November 2011
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    617
    Thanks
    11,023
    Thanked 3,137 times in 566 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    [QUOTE=delfine;873822]
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)

    Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.
    I WONDERED THAT,TOO.

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to raregem For This Post:

    delfine (10th September 2014), Frank V (7th September 2014)

  3. Link to Post #22
    United States Avalon Member Robin's Avatar
    Join Date
    17th September 2013
    Location
    The Shire, Middle-earth
    Age
    35
    Posts
    1,291
    Thanks
    3,342
    Thanked 8,592 times in 1,240 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by Aragorn (here)
    Quote Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
    As ParakeetMGP has stated, evil is live backwards, which is not an accident.
    Sorry Sam, but that is not correct. The English language is a Germanic language, and the word "evil" comes from the German word "Eufel" (pronounced in English as "oifel"), which means the same thing. This is also where the word "devil" comes from, by abridging the pronoun to a single letter and including that as part of the noun, which is something that occurs in many languages with pronouns.[LIST][*]in German: das eufel -> der Teufel (pronounced in English as "toifel")[*]in English: the evil -> the devil
    I disagree. Although your logic does make sense when looking back into etymological history, there is more to language than simple derivations that change with time.

    Anagrams, Double entendres, Spoonerisms, Puns, and other Rhetorical devices have also been leached into languages, deliberately and meticulously. I'm not even going to explain this further, as I don't feel the need to. It is foolish to think that languages are only the product of etymological derivation.

    Languages are cleverly crafted to divide people, to confuse people, to harness the human subconscious, and to spread thoughts and intentions that have roots within the nature of our reality. Sure, the word evil has etymological roots as you have stated, but that is only ONE part of the overall picture. There are many layers to the control scheme on Earth. You have described evil exoterically, but let us not forget to analyze it esoterically.
    "Rather than love, than fame, than money, give me truth."
    ~Henry David Thoreau

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Robin For This Post:

    Frank V (7th September 2014), Pris (8th September 2014)

  5. Link to Post #23
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    22nd January 2011
    Location
    Everywhere
    Age
    45
    Posts
    1,505
    Thanks
    5,486
    Thanked 5,216 times in 1,274 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    So are you suggesting that there is a correlation between the word 'Good' and the 'Doog' from Doogie Houser MD because they're the inverse of eachother? Is that a subliminal control method to get us to identify with juvenile doctor television shows from the 90's?

  6. Link to Post #24
    Avalon Member Omni's Avatar
    Join Date
    1st February 2011
    Location
    Pacific NW
    Posts
    3,813
    Thanks
    12,541
    Thanked 22,426 times in 3,450 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    To me evil is basically the absence of empathy and morals in actions leading to severe negative factors in other's lives. Evil is something like sabotaging the DNA of a race. It exists out in the universe.

    However evil is a matter of perspective. To certain reptile ETs their version of evil might be things of holistic/divine nature that are good for races like us. The reason why I find evil wrong is because of it's effects on others. I believe very few humans are actually evil, and those that are might all be mind controlled in ways. Kind of like the US mind control operatives who negate empathy(if they have it to begin with) to be able to accept doing cruel and horrible acts.

    It isn't wrong to have a perspective IMO(IE: Evil is just a perspective). I do not believe pure evil is a big part of human nature...

  7. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Omni For This Post:

    Agape (7th September 2014), Milneman (8th September 2014), Pris (11th September 2014)

  8. Link to Post #25
    Great Britain Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    3rd September 2014
    Posts
    100
    Thanks
    129
    Thanked 195 times in 67 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    I think EVIL is shown by people who have no love are non compassionate and not altruistic. Therefore they suffer from hate , no compassion and want to harm people . The interesting thing is where does evil come from? , it comes from negative thought , and comes fro the negative pyramid of the brain...T-REX BRAIN...Amygdala and fear, so evil people are fearful and have a low harmonic of sound inside them , this eventually puts the light out as light vibrates at the atomic level .....all they think about is their own ego and survival and are totally selfish S.C.

  9. Link to Post #26
    Canada On Sabbatical Deega's Avatar
    Join Date
    27th April 2010
    Location
    Somewhere
    Posts
    1,414
    Thanks
    3,410
    Thanked 4,079 times in 909 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Neuroscientists say that "evil" doesn't exist, they have another word for it, "nonempath", here is an interesting perspective of it.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health...gin_redirect=0

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Deega For This Post:

    Frank V (8th September 2014)

  11. Link to Post #27
    Finland Avalon Member Wind's Avatar
    Join Date
    25th September 2011
    Location
    A dream called Life
    Posts
    7,938
    Thanks
    88,826
    Thanked 49,452 times in 7,723 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Evil is to cause harm others intentionally, but forgiven are those who do not understand what they do. I've always been interested in human psychology and I find it interesting that there can be humans with no empathy towards others when there are very empathetic and loving people who suffer on behalf of others. The psycho souls have separated so far from the original source that their souls are black as charcoals and even they once were pure souls. Usually they have massive egos too and they're imprisoned by their insane condition. They just take because that's the only thing they know. Eventually they will get polarized enough or they will dissolve, but karma will always be paid in a way or another and I don't envy them. I think that in this game of duality there must be polar opposites always. Day and night, light and dark, hot and cold, female and male etc.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

  12. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Wind For This Post:

    Agape (7th September 2014), donk (9th September 2014), Frank V (8th September 2014), Pris (8th September 2014)

  13. Link to Post #28
    Aaland Avalon Member Agape's Avatar
    Join Date
    26th March 2010
    Posts
    5,798
    Thanks
    14,814
    Thanked 27,059 times in 4,835 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Profound misunderstanding perhaps ? A misunderstanding of misunderstanding of misunderstanding ..

    Misunderstanding that has beginning and end is a mistake, and mistakes can be repaired . Misunderstanding you dwell on without remorse can turn to an evil.
    The term 'evil' is close to lies and violence for me , lies are where it starts though .

    A lie or say, false conviction may seem to be innocent at start but it sooner or later turns to injustice and then to violence because there are no clever means to fit lies with truth , without twisting truth at some point .

    The faith in evil itself is an evil. It's a dogma that every isolated society creates to protect its truth - the truth of its disability - twisted truth of its own impotence presented as 'omnipotence' . Thus , all kinds of outsiders to such society are portrayed as possible 'evil' .

    I come from that perspective where Life is inherently good, in its Source and expressions .. and I don't believe in inherent duality of life in the Universe neither I'm aware of such to exist .

    Yet .. I am aware ..of people who who live by continual sense of self-deception ,
    by faith , very basic to many human societies who taught them to believe in friends and enemies , in solidified duality of mind and matter , illusion that needs to be kept intact so that 'their' little big world can keep going as it always did,
    hurting some so that others can live better ,
    and passing the torch to make sure others will continue in the same style happily in future . Teaching people that the world has always been 'such' and so it must stay .

    There is always a big or small twist in heart of every 'evil'.

    Whether this is twist in the DNA that does not permit people to see things straight , and do the right thing or an influence they pass to each other, matters little at the end . Because somewhere in between ... we all have the chance to say no,

    no to the lies . Lies , seemingly innocent , views that do not match reality, lies you don't expect from intelligent individuals to hold on and spread .

    Move on from the old smelly fears and prejudice to what you really know to be true ,
    it's not the Sun and the Moon, not Saturn or Mars, not the Draco galaxy , ghosts and spirits , earthquakes and floods , but if your ancestors thought that any of these were caused by 'big evil' , and when they taught there are 'evil aliens' causing all the trouble , and every decent person eXcept one or two pure souls believed this to be true,

    where is your Mind ?


    A self-convicted person is a convict , still...



  14. The Following User Says Thank You to Agape For This Post:

    Milneman (8th September 2014)

  15. Link to Post #29
    Deactivated
    Join Date
    1st May 2011
    Posts
    1,363
    Thanks
    1,909
    Thanked 4,504 times in 1,178 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    Evil is total service to self. I perceive a spectrum where service to self is at the far left and service to others on the far right. Although all of us practice service to self to some degree. when it is done exclusively, that is evil. Thinking about it in these terms takes judgement out of it to a degree.
    So the martyr who, in serving themselves, serves others to gratify their own needs for martyrdom is....?

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    Quote Posted by Hogswitch (here)
    Evil is somebody else's idea of what you shouldn't do or your idea of what they shouldn't do. Beyond that it has no reality. The rules of the game we're playing are negotiable.

    Hog.
    Is that negotiable?

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    Quote Posted by Shezbeth (here)
    So are you suggesting that there is a correlation between the word 'Good' and the 'Doog' from Doogie Houser MD because they're the inverse of eachother? Is that a subliminal control method to get us to identify with juvenile doctor television shows from the 90's?
    I'd say more that it's symptomatic of a failing, namely accepting a kind of relativism that has completely clouded any kind of rational judgement. Or I've had too much Dr. Loosen. Which is Nesool Rd. backwards.

    Which actually if you think about it could be the work around for using foul language on the forum! Simply write it backwards!

    !em kcuf

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    To me evil is basically the absence of empathy and morals in actions leading to severe negative factors in other's lives. Evil is something like sabotaging the DNA of a race. It exists out in the universe.

    However evil is a matter of perspective. To certain reptile ETs their version of evil might be things of holistic/divine nature that are good for races like us. The reason why I find evil wrong is because of it's effects on others. I believe very few humans are actually evil, and those that are might all be mind controlled in ways. Kind of like the US mind control operatives who negate empathy(if they have it to begin with) to be able to accept doing cruel and horrible acts.

    It isn't wrong to have a perspective IMO(IE: Evil is just a perspective). I do not believe pure evil is a big part of human nature...
    I can't agree more. I think selfish desire is actually more active than evil, and we just akin the word "evil" to actions that seem selfish without consideration of others. I won't say service to self. That's a bandwagon I will not climb on. But I can spell swear words backwards. !lleh gnikcuf

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    My favourite definition is from C. S. Lewis: simply put, evil is the privation of good.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to Milneman For This Post:

    Shezbeth (10th September 2014)

  17. Link to Post #30
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    11th July 2014
    Posts
    2,500
    Thanks
    4,990
    Thanked 12,300 times in 2,402 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    For anyone interested in 'word play', you might want to consider the work/videos of Santos Bonacci, Robert Morning Sky, and Jordan Maxwell.

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to Pris For This Post:

    Robin (8th September 2014)

  19. Link to Post #31
    Denmark Avalon Member
    Join Date
    17th June 2011
    Posts
    382
    Thanks
    608
    Thanked 1,545 times in 328 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    Quote Posted by delfine (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...
    Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.
    not proving anything , just using the nature of opposites , and I noticed the spelling and how if your living your life , not hurting yourself or others , and your a free person , using common sense , you can't be doing Evil your just living ... the ptb use Evil as a means of control , everyone wants to do good basically and everyone stays away from Evil , calling something Evil will influence actions ...
    I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
    God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?

  20. Link to Post #32
    United States Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    12th April 2012
    Location
    east coast suburban sprawl
    Posts
    2,896
    Thanks
    11,666
    Thanked 16,349 times in 2,716 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
    God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?
    You're talking about SPELLing, so the answers to your questions are dependent on INTENT of the SPELLer.

  21. Link to Post #33
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    11th July 2014
    Posts
    2,500
    Thanks
    4,990
    Thanked 12,300 times in 2,402 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by delfine (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    Quote Posted by delfine (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...
    Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.
    not proving anything , just using the nature of opposites , and I noticed the spelling and how if your living your life , not hurting yourself or others , and your a free person , using common sense , you can't be doing Evil your just living ... the ptb use Evil as a means of control , everyone wants to do good basically and everyone stays away from Evil , calling something Evil will influence actions ...
    I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
    God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?
    The fact is the word 'dog' is in the word 'dogma'.

    Apparently, it is no accident how our languages/words/spellings 'developed'.

    When we spell a word, we are making a 'spell'.

    'Evil' and 'live', 'God and 'dog' are just the tip of the iceberg.

    Of course, this is not 'just' about words spelled forwards and backwards that reveal hidden meaning in plain sight. It's about the meaning behind the words we use every day without realizing what they 'really' mean.

    Examples:

    corps -- dead body
    eg. corporation

    mortgage -- death pledge

    understand -- stand under

    government -- control the mind

    apocalypse -- lifting of the veil

    IMO, Santos Bonacci, Jordan Maxwell, and Robert Morning Sky are great teachers when it comes to this tremendously interesting subject.


  22. Link to Post #34
    France Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    24th January 2011
    Posts
    5,403
    Thanks
    12,061
    Thanked 31,025 times in 5,009 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by Pris (here)
    The fact is the word 'dog' is in the word 'dogma'.

    Apparently, it is no accident how our languages/words/spellings 'developed'.

    When we spell a word, we are making a 'spell'.

    'Evil' and 'live', 'God and 'dog' are just the tip of the iceberg.

    Of course, this is not 'just' about words spelled forwards and backwards that reveal hidden meaning in plain sight. It's about the meaning behind the words we use every day without realizing what they 'really' mean.

    Examples:

    corps -- dead body
    eg. corporation

    mortgage -- death pledge

    understand -- stand under

    government -- control the mind

    apocalypse -- lifting of the veil

    IMO, Santos Bonacci, Jordan Maxwell, and Robert Morning Sky are great teachers when it comes to this tremendously interesting subject.
    I answered some of this stuff last month here:
    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Samwise, your thoughts on language are very welcome. You basically present two insights into language, not one, and as a language specialist myself, I would comment differently on each. While broadly in agreement with the second, I have to disagree with your first point, but I think you will find my disagreement highly empowering. I think one needs to beware of the Jordan Maxwell brand of popular etymology. He means well, but he simply does not understand how languages evolve. The Tower of Babel was perhaps a controlled demolition of communications, but there is nothing contrived about the outcome of a demolition. A demolition is by definition the passage from the orderly state of metal beams, concrete slabs etc. to a cloud of rubble. What happens to the rubble is uncontrolled and depends on outside circumstances. Some may fall over water and get wet; some may rise up in the wind and be scattered over a long distance, while the rest lands in a hopelessly disordered heap on the spot, where if left alone, it might evolve into a semi-natural pyramid.

    Take Latin, spoken across the Roman Empire. As the empire crumbled, it evolved differently in various places that were no longer in communication – into French, Spanish and Italian. Far from being contrived, these languages evolved as the people spoke them, while the PTB continued to operate in Latin. You find large numbers of popular terms gradually becoming more acceptable; this is language rising from the grassroots. Let me give you an example. The French word tête meaning head has replaced the word chef (which is all we have left from the Latin caput). It comes from the Latin testa meaning shell and hence skull; imagine the informal word ‘nut’ gradually becoming the accepted English word for the head. Le chef is the chief or the boss, so we see both how popular language takes over, and how abstract ideas are conveyed by outmoded concrete terminology. Now take the word gouvernail, which has nothing to do with government (gouvernement): it simply means a rudder; so, etymologically speaking, a government would actually be no more than a steering committee, but for the authoritarian behaviour of leaders like the ‘Great Helmsman’ Chairman Mao. In other words, it is not our language subverting our culture, it is our controllers’ behaviour that is subverting our language and trying to wrench it out of our hands. I’m afraid Maxwell and Passio are falling into this trap. Similarly, the suffix –ment (Latin –mentum, which is neuter in gender) has nothing to do with mens mentis, a feminine noun meaning mind. It is actually derived from –men, itself derived from the Greek suffix –ma, which is merely a suffix, carrying no more meaning than the English plural –s. You need to understand that parts of a sign system have always served a purely grammatical purpose. For example, Egyptian hieroglyphs use a box called a cartouche to tell you that it contains someone’s name. So in actual fact, to claim that government is not simply steerage but mind control is in itself a subliminal form of mind control – reverse engineering language to match the current reality. True government is steering a course and we are getting back to that.

  23. Link to Post #35
    UK Avalon Member
    Join Date
    2nd March 2014
    Age
    71
    Posts
    254
    Thanks
    304
    Thanked 596 times in 201 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    IMO, Santos Bonacci, Jordan Maxwell, and Robert Morning Sky are great teachers when it comes to this tremendously interesting subject.

    Well to take jordan Maxwell as one example ,he is not a great teacher. I watched his utube videos with great interest and I noticed one very telling error.......he talked about the Dalai Lama and gave a totally incorrect translation and meaning to the name.Dalai Lama is a mongolian title meaning "great ocean" and is fairly well known, that led me to look at further things he said and I stumbled upon a lot of utube vids debunking him
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVV0_mNcJlw

    I get the impression that Santos Bonacci has copied Jordan...........and I'd just like to see how well he does in court using Jordan's arguments. I like the idea of using common law arguments against Admiralty law, but what is practiced as law now is established whether it came from common law or admiralty law, and you won't win a case against a good barrister using obscure laws that nobody has looked at, let alone studied.

  24. Link to Post #36
    United States Avalon Member Robin's Avatar
    Join Date
    17th September 2013
    Location
    The Shire, Middle-earth
    Age
    35
    Posts
    1,291
    Thanks
    3,342
    Thanked 8,592 times in 1,240 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Samwise, your thoughts on language are very welcome. You basically present two insights into language, not one, and as a language specialist myself, I would comment differently on each. While broadly in agreement with the second, I have to disagree with your first point, but I think you will find my disagreement highly empowering. I think one needs to beware of the Jordan Maxwell brand of popular etymology. He means well, but he simply does not understand how languages evolve. The Tower of Babel was perhaps a controlled demolition of communications, but there is nothing contrived about the outcome of a demolition. A demolition is by definition the passage from the orderly state of metal beams, concrete slabs etc. to a cloud of rubble. What happens to the rubble is uncontrolled and depends on outside circumstances. Some may fall over water and get wet; some may rise up in the wind and be scattered over a long distance, while the rest lands in a hopelessly disordered heap on the spot, where if left alone, it might evolve into a semi-natural pyramid.

    Take Latin, spoken across the Roman Empire. As the empire crumbled, it evolved differently in various places that were no longer in communication – into French, Spanish and Italian. Far from being contrived, these languages evolved as the people spoke them, while the PTB continued to operate in Latin. You find large numbers of popular terms gradually becoming more acceptable; this is language rising from the grassroots. Let me give you an example. The French word tête meaning head has replaced the word chef (which is all we have left from the Latin caput). It comes from the Latin testa meaning shell and hence skull; imagine the informal word ‘nut’ gradually becoming the accepted English word for the head. Le chef is the chief or the boss, so we see both how popular language takes over, and how abstract ideas are conveyed by outmoded concrete terminology. Now take the word gouvernail, which has nothing to do with government (gouvernement): it simply means a rudder; so, etymologically speaking, a government would actually be no more than a steering committee, but for the authoritarian behaviour of leaders like the ‘Great Helmsman’ Chairman Mao. In other words, it is not our language subverting our culture, it is our controllers’ behaviour that is subverting our language and trying to wrench it out of our hands. I’m afraid Maxwell and Passio are falling into this trap. Similarly, the suffix –ment (Latin –mentum, which is neuter in gender) has nothing to do with mens mentis, a feminine noun meaning mind. It is actually derived from –men, itself derived from the Greek suffix –ma, which is merely a suffix, carrying no more meaning than the English plural –s. You need to understand that parts of a sign system have always served a purely grammatical purpose. For example, Egyptian hieroglyphs use a box called a cartouche to tell you that it contains someone’s name. So in actual fact, to claim that government is not simply steerage but mind control is in itself a subliminal form of mind control – reverse engineering language to match the current reality. True government is steering a course and we are getting back to that.
    araucaria, I acknowledged this response on the Here and Now thread when you posted it, but didn't want to challenge your argument on such a thread. Your intelligent and respectful response is warmly met, but I must disagree with you on certain points. You and Aragorn have both presented concise arguments to suggest that languages are constructed in more of a linear fashion rather than including heavy rhetorical word-play, which I respect, but I still disagree with.

    You and Aragorn are both using exoteric logic to break down languages, but you are overlooking the mindset of the people who are controlling this planet. They utilize symbolism, metaphor, alliteration, and word-play to uphold their intentions in ways that the human subconscious feels, but the conscious fails to express or fully understand.

    Mark Passio, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell, Santos Bonacci, and others have it right. They have analyzed languages on both an exoteric and esoteric level, and have made a significant breakthrough in the understanding of language, which is the driving force for how humans express and understand the nature of their reality. They are not the ones who have it wrong, rather, I feel that you are using logic to understand exotericism while disregarding the other (more important) half of reality: esotericism.

    You have mentioned that you consider yourself as a language specialist, which I am interested in learning more about. J.R.R. Tolkien was also a language specialist, and was a professional philologist who taught at Oxford.

    Tolkien's languages are immensely beautiful and intricate. There is hardly a word in any of his languages that was not intended to have a specific purpose. Because his languages have evolved over the course of a few decades, unlike modern languages which have been developing for thousands of years, it is easy to see how a language can contain words that are direct seeds of Latin/Greek/Old English, etc. while still containing word-play.

    I have analyzed Tolkien's works more in depth than anybody else I have ever heard of, unless they have yet to show themselves. I can provide arguments supporting my claim through many examples in Tolkien's languages, but I don't feel the need to do so. Why would you even argue against the notion that government etymologically means "mind-control"? When you use logic to understand language, and you understand the mindset of these psychopaths, it should be pretty clear that this is what they intended "government" to mean.

    For instance, let's examine the etymology of the character Samwise Gamgee.

    On an exoteric level, that is, deriving from other languages:

    According to lotr.wikia.com:
    "In the Appendix F of The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien tells us that the Westron form of Sam's name is Banazîr Galbasi (also spelled Galpsi). Banazîr comes from elements meaning "halfwise" or "simple"; Tolkien replaced it with Samwise, a modernization of the ancient English samwís which corresponds closely in meaning. Galbasi comes from the name of the village Galabas. The name Galabas uses the elements galab-, meaning "game", and bas-, corresponding somewhat to "-wich" or "-wick". Tolkien's English translation, Samwís Gamwich, could have come to Samwise Gamgee in modern English. Sam is also known as Perhael in Sindarin."
    Also, from tolkiengateway.net:
    J.R.R. Tolkien took the name from Gamgee Tissue, a surgical dressing invented by a 19th century Birmingham surgeon called Joseph Sampson Gamgee. "Gamgee" became the colloquial name in Birmingham for cotton wool. Here, Tolkien describes why he had chosen that name for his character:
    "The choice of Gamgee was primarily directed by alliteration; but I did not invent it. It was caught out of childhood memory, as a comic word or name. It was in fact the name when I was small (in Birmingham) for 'cotton-wool'. (Hence the association of the Gamgees with the Cottons.) I knew nothing of its origin."

    The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
    On an esoteric level, that is, deriving from a more hidden, symbolic source:

    I personally speculate that Samwise is word-play for swami:
    swa·mi (swäm)
    n. pl. swa·mis
    1. Hinduism A religious teacher.
    2. A mystic; a yogi.
    3. Used as a form of address for such a person.

    [Hindi svm: master, swami, from Sanskrit, being one's own master, possessing proprietary rights; see s(w)e- in Indo-European roots]
    Samwise=Swami

    When you simply drop the "e" from Samwise, and rearrange the letters, you get Swami.

    This makes perfect sense when you have spent as much time a I have deciphering the works of Tolkien. On an esoteric level, Tolkien's Middle-earth legendarium is a fictional representation of the true history of humanity and this planet. Not only was Tolkien a well-read individual, he was also a Freemason in the Hermetic Order of the Hermetic Dawn, and he had special access to the hidden library of the Vatican. He knew what was truly going on in this world and he hid it in plain sight within his works, if you know what to look for.

    The hobbit race represents the masses of humans on this planet who are caught up in ignorance, and consider themselves "too small" to make a difference in the world. The four hobbits (Frodo, Samwise, Merry, and Pippin), represent the three aspects of EVERY single human.

    Frodo=Sacred Masculine, FATHER, ACTION
    Samwise=Sacred Feminine, HOLY SPIRIT, EMOTIONS
    Merry and Pippin=Sacred Child, SON, THOUGHTS

    They collectively symbolize the true Trinity (thoughts, emotions, actions), which when applied together in harmony, make up a full human being. Once humans gain a higher form of consciousness by linking together all aspects of our psyche, which is represented though the journey of the four hobbits in the Lord of the Rings, we can ascend (evolve) to a higher state of being (Tolkien's grey havens).

    Merry and Pippin must form the thoughts of self-sovereignty, Samwise must feel emotions of care and compassion to want to become sovereign, and Frodo must perform action to destroy the ego. It's that simple.

    In the story, Samwise is Frodo's caretaker/sidekick/gardener/servant. Because Tolkien intended Samwise to be a Swami -- which means "one's own master" -- by placing Samwise in the story as Frodo's servant, and because Frodo and Samwise are both aspects of the SAME individual psyche, Tolkien intended this to mean:

    You are your own master.
    Last edited by Robin; 11th September 2014 at 12:33.
    "Rather than love, than fame, than money, give me truth."
    ~Henry David Thoreau

  25. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Robin For This Post:

    Daozen (8th November 2014), Pris (10th September 2014)

  26. Link to Post #37
    Deactivated
    Join Date
    1st May 2011
    Posts
    1,363
    Thanks
    1,909
    Thanked 4,504 times in 1,178 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?




  27. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Milneman For This Post:

    PurpleLama (11th September 2014), Shezbeth (10th September 2014), thunder24 (10th September 2014)

  28. Link to Post #38
    United States Avalon Member ghostrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th February 2011
    Location
    Sand Springs Ok
    Age
    60
    Posts
    7,427
    Thanks
    9,893
    Thanked 28,845 times in 6,635 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by delfine (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    Quote Posted by delfine (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...
    Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.
    not proving anything , just using the nature of opposites , and I noticed the spelling and how if your living your life , not hurting yourself or others , and your a free person , using common sense , you can't be doing Evil your just living ... the ptb use Evil as a means of control , everyone wants to do good basically and everyone stays away from Evil , calling something Evil will influence actions ...
    I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
    God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?
    What is Evil ??? anything that goes against Nature or the natural evolution of all living things ... it's natural to live - be free- care for your surroundings and those less fortunate ... to do the OPPOSITE , to spread death , be enslaved , destroy your surroundings , puke on those less fortunate would be EVIL so the opposite of Evil would be to LIVE = turn it around = Live , and let the natural evolution of things be as nature intended ... I was using the other side of the coin thinking ... yin and yang ... balance ... thinking in a different way ... my own ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

  29. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ghostrider For This Post:

    Omni (11th September 2014), Pris (11th September 2014)

  30. Link to Post #39
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    22nd January 2011
    Location
    Everywhere
    Age
    45
    Posts
    1,505
    Thanks
    5,486
    Thanked 5,216 times in 1,274 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by Shezbeth (here)
    From the Encyclopedia of FA

    Evil - A classification of observable behaviors and phenomenon and/or perceived/theoretical dispositions that the subject(s) making the classification find to be dogmatically abhorrent, unsupportable, non-conducive, and condemnable largely through a combination of nescience, ignorance, and a lack of consideration as pertains to the etymology of the behavior/disposition in question. Specifically, an individual/group violation of a subject's moral beliefs/perceptions.
    Don't worry, no one liked it last time I posted it either. Xp

  31. Link to Post #40
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    11th July 2014
    Posts
    2,500
    Thanks
    4,990
    Thanked 12,300 times in 2,402 posts

    Default Re: What is evil?

    Quote Posted by Shezbeth (here)
    Quote Posted by Shezbeth (here)
    From the Encyclopedia of FA

    Evil - A classification of observable behaviors and phenomenon and/or perceived/theoretical dispositions that the subject(s) making the classification find to be dogmatically abhorrent, unsupportable, non-conducive, and condemnable largely through a combination of nescience, ignorance, and a lack of consideration as pertains to the etymology of the behavior/disposition in question. Specifically, an individual/group violation of a subject's moral beliefs/perceptions.
    Don't worry, no one liked it last time I posted it either. Xp
    I think I need the 'for dummies' version.

  32. The Following User Says Thank You to Pris For This Post:

    Omni (11th September 2014)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts