Is the white light after we die a trap?

[BF88]

I can remember going into the light last time with no issues that i am aware of although i did end up back here obviously! (voluntarily). I do remember though not remembering whether i should or shouldn't go into it. I suppose it is like most things do what you think is the right thing to do at the time or trust your intuition!

[donk]

It seems to me that any technology capable of manipulating our post-3D death reality would be but a novelty to whatever was "knowing" enough to be able to do it, right? If their tech is that good, do they really need to deceive us and go through all that to get whatever it is they want?

[BF88]

Sounds like a reasonable point donk although perhaps this is where free choice comes into play. If when someone dies they choose to go to the light they are they willingly submitting to those who created that technology? Perhaps not from an Earthly perspective but if they are not of an Earthly origin their perspective could be very different.

[donk]

Yeah…it’s hard, but fun, to try to get in the head of a completely alien (pun intended) mindset. I’m stuck on earthly logic, where there’s the Occams Razor (of sorts) that would go like:

-the elaborate trap set up in that plane we got to when our meat-bag is done…
-while cultivating a culture of misery (or at least extreme bi-polarity…a society gushing “loosh”…aka: CIVILIZATION)…

…in us “lower” 3D incarnated beings, during our 5 sense earth life is the most effect process of getting whatever it is they want/need. Right? Isn’t the assumption that we are all agreeing on is that there IS A WHITE LIGHT…whether it is god/death/whatever or an “artificial” trap, we are basing the thread on that common ground?

So if we assume it is a trap: it would seem that the white light and social engineering in a cycle of reincarnation are the most efficient mechanisms (on this plane of existence) of harvesting our soul energy,

-OR-

it’s not about efficiency: the “advanced” high-tech-having beings are somehow more “fulfilled” by these evil-to-us constructs, that they’re a novelty to them.

So to you believers in the “trap”…do the trappers “need” whatever they get from it? Or just “like” to do it?

……and exploring the other end of the “earthly logic”, if it is not a trap (but does exist), then it just happens. It’s the next step of our journey. Maybe you have a choice, some control/free will, maybe you don’t.

I like to try to keep my mind open that going down this road is useful, that “gathering data” about this will help make a conscious decision when the time comes…but somehow I just can’t imagine much of it is valid. Seems to me that most “information” on the topic all stems from the “fear of death” program we’ve been lulled to sleep and lied to about.

[Pris]

Posted by donk (here)

So to you believers in the “trap”…do the trappers “need” whatever they get from it? Or just “like” to do it?

We haven't normally been 'taught' that this white light is a trap, so the premise that it is a trap peaks my interest... because most of what we've been taught is crappola anyway.

Sure, what if the 'trappers' are just a bunch of arse ends? Even just 'liking' what they do is definitely fulfilling some kind of need or want on their part.

Still, I get the impression they are feeding off of us. I don't believe there is a white light tunnel trap -- it is either is a trap or it isn't a trap. I think it is a trap -- a very elaborate one at that.

[Pris]

Posted by BF88 (here)
I can remember going into the light last time with no issues that i am aware of although i did end up back here obviously! (voluntarily). I do remember though not remembering whether i should or shouldn't go into it. I suppose it is like most things do what you think is the right thing to do at the time or trust your intuition!

Of course you had 'no issues'. "Your mission was to come back here to 'tell us' that" so that we would be misled -- at least this is one point-of-view I tend to agree with.

"Hey, look everyone, it's safe!" I'm not 'buying' it.

[BF88]

My mission is only to observe. I'm not trying to sell the idea, go into the light if you want or don't if you don't want to your the only one who can make that choice. From what i remember going into the light did result in ending up somewhere that other beings were present but in what form i honestly can not say at this time i do hope to figure it out one day though. I suppose it depends on what your goal is, it seems to be that if you want to 'return to source' or words to that effect then stay away from the light, if not, go towards it?

[Hogswitch]

Posted by donk (here)

So to you believers in the “trap”…do the trappers “need” whatever they get from it? Or just “like” to do it?

The only thing I know for sure is that beyond all reason I just don't want to go into the light, call it a gut feeling if you will. So this is highly speculative and in all likelihood not at all true.

What if it's a question of perspective? We know that on earth people like to organise and control things, even "good" people. They like to put systems in place to make things run smoothly. Now many people are quite happy to go along with the systems that have been put in place. They feel comfortable with the sense of order and stability that comes from things being organised for them by others. In some ways perhaps the afterlife is not so different. Maybe there are beings there who like to control and organise things and there are those happy to be controlled and organised. Now for those people the whole, afterlife conveyor belt is just what they need. They die, standard operating procedures kick in and they're shepherded through the whole process of being reincarnated by the numbers. 1) Death 2)White light 3)Meet and greet 4)Life Review 5)Holding Area 6)New Incarnation Selection 7)Memory Wipe 8)Back to Earth. So for those people there is no perception of a trap, simply a well ordered transition between lives.

Now we all know there are some people even on earth who hate being told what to do, even for their own good. People who seem to have have an almost pathological desire for freedom. Perhaps this desire comes from something deeper or maybe they are just natural pains in the arse, who knows? Now how would these people see the whole between lives factory system. How would they feel when some afterlife greeter dresses up as their dead aunty and ushers them to their seat on the reincarnation train? They are going to kick off and run screaming right? Having had a bellyful of control systems on earth they are going to demand something a little more interesting from the realms beyond, not more of the same. They are going to see a trap in the white light. So perhaps it is after all a question of perception.

[Pris]

Posted by Hogswitch (here)

What if it's a question of perspective? We know that on earth people like to organise and control things, even "good" people. They like to put systems in place to make things run smoothly. Now many people are quite happy to go along with the systems that have been put in place. They feel comfortable with the sense of order and stability that comes from things being organised for them by others. In some ways perhaps the afterlife is not so different. Maybe there are beings there who like to control and organise things and there are those happy to be controlled and organised. Now for those people the whole, afterlife conveyor belt is just what they need. They die and standard operating procedures kick in. They are shepherded through the whole process of being reincarnated by the numbers 1) Death 2)White light 3)Meet and greet 4)Life Review 5)Holding Area 6)New Incarnation Selection 7)Memory Wipe 8)Back to Earth. So for those people there is no perception of a trap simply a well ordered transition between lives.

This reminded me of the scene from 'Cloud Atlas' where the enslaved women are happy because they think they will eventually be set free. Everything is organized, everything is controlled. They unknowingly end up butchered.

Ignorance is not always bliss.

[Hogswitch]

Posted by Pris (here)

This reminded me of the scene from 'Cloud Atlas' where the enslaved women are happy because they think they will eventually be set free. Everything is organized, everything is controlled. They unknowingly end up butchered.

Or the Carrousel (sic) setup in Logan's run where they all think they are going to be renewed but actually they are fried

[Hervé]

Posted by Hogswitch (here)
[...]

Now we all know there are some people even on earth who hate being told what to do, even for their own good, they have an almost pathological desire for freedom, could it perhaps be that this characteristic comes from something deeper, maybe some characteristic of their souls, now how would these people see the whole between lives factory system....

[...]

Well, here is that infamous Milgram experiment revisited:

Psychologists Have Uncovered a Troubling Feature of People Who Seem Nice All the Time

By Eileen Shim June 30, 2014

In 1961, curious about a person's willingness to obey an authority figure, social psychologist Stanley Milgram began trials on his now-famous experiment. In it, he tested how far a subject would go electrically shocking a stranger (actually an actor faking the pain) simply because they were following orders. Some subjects, Milgram found, would follow directives until the person was dead.

The news: A new Milgram-like experiment published this month in the Journal of Personality has taken this idea to the next step by trying to understand which kinds of people are more or less willing to obey these kinds of orders. What researchers discovered was surprising: Those who are described as "agreeable, conscientious personalities" are more likely to follow orders and deliver electric shocks that they believe can harm innocent people, while "more contrarian, less agreeable personalities" are more likely to refuse to hurt others.

The methodology and findings: For an eight-month period, the researchers interviewed the study participants to gauge their social personality, as well as their personal history and political leanings. When they matched this data to the participants' behavior during the experiment, a distinct pattern emerged: People who were normally friendly followed orders because they didn't want to upset others, while those who were described as unfriendly stuck up for themselves.

"The irony is that a personality disposition normally seen as antisocial — disagreeableness — may actually be linked to 'pro-social' behavior,'" writes Psychology Today's Kenneth Worthy. "This connection seems to arise from a willingness to sacrifice one's popularity a bit to act in a moral and just way toward other people, animals or the environment at large. Popularity, in the end, may be more a sign of social graces and perhaps a desire to fit in than any kind of moral superiority."

The study also found that people holding left-wing political views were less willing to hurt others. One particular group held steady and refused destructive orders:

"women who had previously participated in rebellious political activism such as strikes or occupying a factory."

The Nazi effect: The findings lend themselves even further to Milgram's original goal in the '60s: trying to understand the rise of Nazism. Milgram began his experiments in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. He believed his findings might help explain how seemingly nice people can do horrible things if they are ordered to do so.

Does that mean the Nazis were just nice people trying to follow orders and be polite? You probably wouldn't want to go that far, but suffice to say, it turns out nice people just want to appease authorities, while rebels stick to their guns.

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So... here is another trap for "nice people": seeking to please, therefore avoiding rocking the boat or quick the apple cart which tacitly leads to supporting the current status quo and therefore leaning towards being "authoritarian followers" otherwise known as robots, AKA "sheeple"... etc.

Accordingly... who the hell does one think one is to dare defy God's authority delegated into Archangel Whatchamacallit!?!... eh?

Of course the ones raising their hands are whistleblowers, patriots, freedom fighters AKA "terrorists," etc....

Good boy! Go fetch Snowden across the pond! Go!

[Pris]

Posted by Hogswitch (here)

Posted by Pris (here)

This reminded me of the scene from 'Cloud Atlas' where the enslaved women are happy because they think they will eventually be set free. Everything is organized, everything is controlled. They unknowingly end up butchered.

Or the Carrousel (sic) setup in Logan's run where they all think they are going to be renewed but actually they are fried

Yes! Exactly! That's a perfect example. What a haunting scene. It really makes you want to go 'run for the hills'.

[Pris]

Posted by BF88 (here)
I can remember going into the light last time with no issues that i am aware of although i did end up back here obviously! (voluntarily). I do remember though not remembering whether i should or shouldn't go into it. I suppose it is like most things do what you think is the right thing to do at the time or trust your intuition!

Posted by BF88 (here)
My mission is only to observe.

May I suggest that your mission has been more than to simply 'observe'. You're here telling us about it. That opens up a whole new can of worms.

[BF88]

You could be right. Although the message was very clear, it was more like observe, watch and understand etc and perhaps conversing with others is part of that understanding process. Learning what other peoples experiences have been or opinions / beliefs on such matters will, I hope, help me make sense of it. Perhaps I have lost the plot as well or never had one in the first place.

[Pris]

Posted by BF88 (here)
You could be right. Although the message was very clear, it was more like observe, watch and understand etc and perhaps conversing with others is part of that understanding process. Learning what other peoples experiences have been or opinions / beliefs on such matters will, I hope, help me make sense of it. Perhaps I have lost the plot as well or never had one in the first place.

LOL! I bet the message they gave you was 'very clear'! That's the whole point.

As for the 'understanding' part: understand = stand under. Don't think for one second you ever have to stand under anyone.

[Wind]

Posted by Pris (here)
This reminded me of the scene from 'Cloud Atlas' where the enslaved women are happy because they think they will eventually be set free. Everything is organized, everything is controlled. They unknowingly end up butchered.

This is where I agree and disagree. We are being used as "batteries" here on Earth perhaps, but that is all that is being "organized" from the nasties. The other organizers who have orchestrated this universe and the afterlife are benevolent. They allow the nasties to do their thing only to a certain extent. Maybe we need adversaries like that to make us grow as soul even faster. No pain, no gain I'm afraid.

Of course we can always be suspicious of everything and doubt even our own sanity (I do that often!), but I find it funny that these days most of the people are afraid of death and they don't believe in afterlife or in soul. They only believe in what they see, which is this three dimensional matrix. Others believe in some kind of a heaven and the rest are agnostics and us spiritual people. I know that the concept of karma is hard for many to accept, but it is not punishment. We are here to learn and grow our souls even if the game has been "hijacked", we are here to change it.

Jesus said: "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you."

The Law of One states: "The mind/body/spirit complex is born under a series of influences, both lunar, planetary, cosmic, and in some cases, karmic. The moment of the birthing into this illusion begins the cycles we have mentioned."

Many, many other sources like Edgar Cayce confirm that to be the truth. Of course it is up to the individual to believe what they believe and have their "truth", but ultimately just know that the universe is benevolent and we are not victims. We are meaningful beings and we are here for a reason. Life is what we make of it.

[Flash]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Hogswitch (here)
[...]

Now we all know there are some people even on earth who hate being told what to do, even for their own good, they have an almost pathological desire for freedom, could it perhaps be that this characteristic comes from something deeper, maybe some characteristic of their souls, now how would these people see the whole between lives factory system....

[...]

Well, here is that infamous Milgram experiment revisited:

Psychologists Have Uncovered a Troubling Feature of People Who Seem Nice All the Time

By Eileen Shim June 30, 2014

In 1961, curious about a person's willingness to obey an authority figure, social psychologist Stanley Milgram began trials on his now-famous experiment. In it, he tested how far a subject would go electrically shocking a stranger (actually an actor faking the pain) simply because they were following orders. Some subjects, Milgram found, would follow directives until the person was dead.

The news: A new Milgram-like experiment published this month in the Journal of Personality has taken this idea to the next step by trying to understand which kinds of people are more or less willing to obey these kinds of orders. What researchers discovered was surprising: Those who are described as "agreeable, conscientious personalities" are more likely to follow orders and deliver electric shocks that they believe can harm innocent people, while "more contrarian, less agreeable personalities" are more likely to refuse to hurt others.

The methodology and findings: For an eight-month period, the researchers interviewed the study participants to gauge their social personality, as well as their personal history and political leanings. When they matched this data to the participants' behavior during the experiment, a distinct pattern emerged: People who were normally friendly followed orders because they didn't want to upset others, while those who were described as unfriendly stuck up for themselves.

"The irony is that a personality disposition normally seen as antisocial — disagreeableness — may actually be linked to 'pro-social' behavior,'" writes Psychology Today's Kenneth Worthy. "This connection seems to arise from a willingness to sacrifice one's popularity a bit to act in a moral and just way toward other people, animals or the environment at large. Popularity, in the end, may be more a sign of social graces and perhaps a desire to fit in than any kind of moral superiority."

The study also found that people holding left-wing political views were less willing to hurt others. One particular group held steady and refused destructive orders:

"women who had previously participated in rebellious political activism such as strikes or occupying a factory."

The Nazi effect: The findings lend themselves even further to Milgram's original goal in the '60s: trying to understand the rise of Nazism. Milgram began his experiments in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. He believed his findings might help explain how seemingly nice people can do horrible things if they are ordered to do so.

Does that mean the Nazis were just nice people trying to follow orders and be polite? You probably wouldn't want to go that far, but suffice to say, it turns out nice people just want to appease authorities, while rebels stick to their guns.

*********************************************

So... here is another trap for "nice people": seeking to please, therefore avoiding rocking the boat or quick the apple cart which tacitly leads to supporting the current status quo and therefore leaning towards being "authoritarian followers" otherwise known as robots, AKA "sheeple"... etc.

Accordingly... who the hell does one think one is to dare defy God's authority delegated into Archangel Whatchamacallit!?!... eh?

Of course the ones raising their hands are whistleblowers, patriots, freedom fighters AKA "terrorists," etc....

Good boy! Go fetch Snowden across the pond! Go!

i cannot believe nobody commeted on Amer Zo post here above. This is extremely interesting. The sheeple are nice, not out of goodness (or service to others) but out of sheer laziness most of the time, or fear, not wanting to rock the boat, wanting to keep their image of themselves intact (goodness which is in fact meekiness)

Gosh, I would wish some further studies will be make on that dimension of human beings.

On one hand, you have the psychopath who takes control and do not care about others, mostly not about other's thinking and views, wanting to satisfy his own desires, and on the other hand you have the meek who wants to please the psycho and has no reasoning left in himself.

Both in fact are not service to others, but service to self.

I bet anything that most on Avalon would contradict the orders to harm. We are a subset that must be interesting to study for PTB.

[Shezbeth]

If you're doing it 'right', there is no choice to 'go towards' or 'go away' from the light. YOU are the light, and everything ELSE is illusion.

I'm sorry, I seemed to have spilled some seasoning.

[Agape]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
If you're doing it 'right', there is no choice to 'go towards' or 'go away' from the light. YOU are the light, and everything ELSE is illusion.

I'm sorry, I seemed to have spilled some seasoning.

I think that's it. The right point . Till you are there is also light . You will see your light reflected in various objects in the darkness and you will also see others light .
Life is both 'light' and 'seeing' .

If there are any bad guys their sole policy is 'shut up', 'turn it off' , 'stop shining' . Or , they beam you with million megawatts in order to show they're real big . Use all possible potentials to create powerful oversoul. It's where most people go anyway .
But it's not the fault of the 'bad guys' at that time , anymore, more than it was at time when these souls were incarnated .
The souls who are not mature enough in life, did not develop enough individuality, are part of the 'hive mind' , now and also 'then after' . It's not a complete loss but it is a 'mess' , and they come back with shared memories and weak sense of individuality again.

[Pris]

Posted by Wind (here)

Posted by Pris (here)
This reminded me of the scene from 'Cloud Atlas' where the enslaved women are happy because they think they will eventually be set free. Everything is organized, everything is controlled. They unknowingly end up butchered.

This is where I agree and disagree. We are being used as "batteries" here on Earth perhaps, but that is all that is being "organized" from the nasties. The other organizers who have orchestrated this universe and the afterlife are benevolent. They allow the nasties to do their thing only to a certain extent. Maybe we need adversaries like that to make us grow as soul even faster. No pain, no gain I'm afraid.

Of course we can always be suspicious of everything and doubt even our own sanity (I do that often!), but I find it funny that these days most of the people are afraid of death and they don't believe in afterlife or in soul. They only believe in what they see, which is this three dimensional matrix. Others believe in some kind of a heaven and the rest are agnostics and us spiritual people. I know that the concept of karma is hard for many to accept, but it is not punishment. We are here to learn and grow our souls even if the game has been "hijacked", we are here to change it.

Jesus said: "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you."

The Law of One states: "The mind/body/spirit complex is born under a series of influences, both lunar, planetary, cosmic, and in some cases, karmic. The moment of the birthing into this illusion begins the cycles we have mentioned."

Many, many other sources like Edgar Cayce confirm that to be the truth. Of course it is up to the individual to believe what they believe and have their "truth", but ultimately just know that the universe is benevolent and we are not victims. We are meaningful beings and we are here for a reason. Life is what we make of it.

Thanks for that, Wind. I just don't know... how you can be so certain that those guys on the other side are benevolent particularly when they've 'orchestrated this universe and the afterlife'. It sounds... manipulative to me.

'As above so below'. If we're manipulated down here, why not 'up there'?

Karma for me is a belief because I don't think it just 'is'. It is a 'concept' that I need to believe in for it to have 'power over me'. Karma is self-imposed punishment IMO. Personally, I would not wish any kind of self-imposed punishment upon anyone regardless of what they may or may not have done. This 'balancing out' thing obviously doesn't work because here we are yet again. If it's true, you'd think after thousands of years and how many lifetimes (supposedly) we'd have it right by now. This karma thing seems to go hand-in-hand with this mind-wiped reincarnation thing. I strongly feel we need to remember. This 'school of hard knocks' idea where we're all here to learn and grow without our past-life memories to influence us -- I don't buy it. Sounds more like a self-perpetuating prison... but, it requires your consent. No consent, no prison.



I have trouble with 'The Law of One' as well because of this 'Ra' character and the apparent connection with the 'archons' ('the Authorities'). Sounds like a 'fourth dimensional' construct. Anything 'hierarchical/authoritarian' waves red flags in my face.

Here's another example of an 'archon': Archangel Michael. It's right there in the name.

Posted by Wind (here)
The Law of One states: "The mind/body/spirit complex is born under a series of influences, both lunar, planetary, cosmic, and in some cases, karmic. The moment of the birthing into this illusion begins the cycles we have mentioned."

I've heard that this whole solar system was set up as an elaborate prison to hold us here on Earth. That may or may not be true, but it certainly makes me 'think'.