The Raw Food Thread!

[Natalia]

Posted by StandingWave (here)

Posted by Amethyst (here)
On Monday I will start a fully raw food diet, it's got to the point of, I have had enough of this now and am going to try and do something about it with extreme changes in my diet (not just MMS, so MMS plus raw food diet, and positive thinking, etc, lets see if this works, it will, it will, it will).

Amethyst,

my partner and I thought just as you did before starting a raw food diet a few years ago - which we truly believed was the natural diet for all healthy animals. We did all the reading and research and took the plunge. We lasted 14 months and we just got so very sick.

All the raw foodies will assure you that this is just a 'healing crisis' that will pass if you endure it long enough. We have come to realise this is purely wishful thinking. Perhaps we overdid the nuts and seeds but then what else can you eat for protein and fat while keeping it raw? Luckily we were saved by Kim Greenhouse of 'It's Rainmaking Time!' who interviewed Robb Wolf, William Davis and Ray Peat.

Combined, these interviews should open a road to recovery for most people. They recommend a diet that uses the following ratios: 70% saturated animal fats: 20% animal protein: 10% carbohydrates as measured by calories.

We have additionally removed all seeds, nuts and grains from our diet based on the knowledge about unsaturated fats that Ray Peat shares in his excellent articles on his personal website.

We have regained health, libido, muscle tone, strength and stamina on this regimen. We never suffer hunger pangs nor do we leave a meal feeling unsatisfied anymore. I cannot recommend it highly enough.

I expect all the vegans, vegetarians and raw foodists will pounce on this communication and proceed to make a substantial fuss.

I will not be defending these statements against the inevitable clamour of objections.

Remember it is your body and your health. You owe yourself the knowledge to make informed decisions.

From my own research I have come to know that diet is the least understood, most emotionally charged subject and the most powerful and effective means of controlling the human population ever devised. All the 'healthy' alternatives, all the 'spiritual' and 'compassionate' arguments for raw, vegan and vegetarian are carefully structured to trap those that fall for them in ill health and rapid onset ageing, from which the monsters that run the show profit obscenely in coin and influence.

The very best of luck on your road to recovery.

Stay uninformed at your peril!

Hi StandingWave, thanks for sharing your experience.

Usually when I say I am going to start something on Monday, I do it! But I didn't this time...I just didn't feel up to it . I do think/feel that to eat more raw foods for me is the way to go, but it doesn't have to be totally. Perhaps for some people it really suits them, and for others it doesn't.

I have heard of a few people who were vegetarian for some years, then felt better and healthier when they ate meat. This is not something that I would ever do or feel like doing, I have been vegetarian and vegan (it fluctuates - but I'm mostly vegan) since I was 14, and I have never broken it (and the thought of me eating meat, is gross). However, I do hear what yourself and others say, that sometimes eating some animal products is good or better for some people.

For me, what you say about it's best not to go totally raw could be true...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Salt, lol, I put a pinch of Himalaya sea salt in the water I soak the seeds I sprout in the first day, problem solved. ( sprouts are fine)

[Rich]

You can get everything the body needs from a raw food diet but many raw foodies are on a very restrictive diet
which might not cover all the nutritional requirements of the body.
I believe the healthiest diet I was on was 100% raw. But I did include animal proteins; milk, eggs, fish, meat and sometimes insects.
Currently I am vegetarian so I drink raw milk and eat raw eggs.

Complex carbohydrates are rarely utilized by inexperienced raw fooders. Humans are used to eating lots of complex carbs like Bread, Rice, Potatos etc.

You can take ground up grain and soak it in a little water (just use enough water to make them soft) for 6-12 hours and they become easily digestible.
Sweet Potatos can be eaten raw if they are cut thin and dried in the dehydrator or in the sun.
Buckwheat has a lot of complex carbs and they are digestible straight from the bag but a little hard,
simply soak them in water in a sieve for 10-20 minutes they will be ready to eat.
Lentils can be eaten raw if sprouted.


A raw day for me could look like this:

Morning: Grains with olive oil

Noon: Fruits then a Salad (blended salad is probably best)

Evening: Milk with honey or bananas or dates

[Natalia]

Posted by EmEx (here)
You can get everything the body needs from a raw food diet but many raw foodies are on a very restrictive diet
which might not cover all the nutritional requirements of the body.
I believe the healthiest diet I was on was 100% raw. But I did include animal proteins; milk, eggs, fish, meat and sometimes insects.
Currently I am vegetarian so I drink raw milk and eat raw eggs.

Thanks for sharing, EmEx

Here is another example of a woman who is doing very well on a total raw food diet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iMr7bP5IUeE

[Natalia]

I made this soup about a weak ago, it was really nice apart from I put just a little too much onion in it (so I would say that it's best to use no more than half of a small onion for 1 bowel of soup)

Raw tomato and pepper soup (made in the blender)

Ingredients:

Cherry on the vine tomatoes, red pepper, white onion, garlic, extra virgin cold pressed olive oil, cayene pepper, curry powder, nutmeg, black pepper, and sea salt.

[Rich]

For me raw vegan didn't work.

[Agape]

It really depends on climate .. if you find yourself closer to the equator , in hot climates , raw fruits and vegetables are the best for your body , processed and cooked food feels almost unnatural , the same goes for most of our summers .
In winter and cold weather on the other hand , eating raw salads can result in colds and indigestion and it's very difficult to derive proper nutrition from uncooked fruits&veggies alone in the middle of snowy winters - though it may be paradoxically the time when we crave them most because the body needs more vitamins .

Depending on what latitudes you live in and time of the year and suppose you are healthy .. shifting slowly from one type of food habit to another is healthiest ,
and experimenting patiently with what suits you .

Not everybody can eat everything, there is no common recipe that would suit everyone .

[araucaria]

It also depends on the harvest. Most fruit and vegetables have a very short harvesting season and a crop far too big to consume fresh. This means that over the year either you eat you fair share of preserves of various kinds, or else someone else will have to do it for you (supposing nothing goes to waste).

[Pam]

I know I am dropping into the conversation a little late but I was intrigued at the claims made against Dr. Mercola and distilled water. I have done a lot of studying regarding what the purist drinking water is and it can be frustrating at times. Here is the article that Mercola wrote regarding distilled water;



Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
Dr. Joseph Mercola

During nearly 19 years of clinical practice I, Dr. Joseph Mercola, have had the opportunity to observe the health effects of drinking different types of water. Most of you would agree that drinking unfiltered tap water could be hazardous to your health because of things like parasites, chlorine, fluoride and dioxins.

Many health fanatics, however, are often surprised to hear me say that drinking distilled water on a regular, daily basis is potentially dangerous.

Paavo Airola wrote about the dangers of distilled water in the 1970`s when it first became a fad with the health food crowd.

Distillation is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated and the vapor condensed. Distilled water is free of dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from the body and eliminate them.

Studies validate the benefits of drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a time).

Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutrient value.

Distilled water is an active absorber and when it comes into contact with air, it absorbs carbon dioxide, making it acidic. The more distilled water a person drinks, the higher the body acidity becomes.

According to the US Environmental Protection Agency, "Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact.

Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water."

The most toxic commercial beverages that people consume (i.e. cola beverages and other soft drinks) are made from distilled water. Studies have consistently shown that heavy consumers of soft drinks (with or without sugar) spill huge amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace minerals into the urine.

The more mineral loss, the greater the risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and a long list of degenerative diseases generally associated with premature aging.

A growing number of health care practitioners and scientists from around the world have been advocating the theory that aging and disease is the direct result of the accumulation of acid waste products in the body.

There is a great deal of scientific documentation that supports such a theory. A poor diet may be partially to blame for the waste accumulation. Meats, sugar, white flour products, fried foods, soft drinks, processed foods, alcohol, dairy products and other junk foods cause the body to become more acidic. Stress, whether mental or physical can lead to acid deposits in the body.

There is a correlation between the consumption of soft water (distilled water is extremely soft) and the incidence of cardiovascular disease. Cells, tissues and organs do not like to be dipped in acid and will do anything to buffer this acidity including the removal of minerals from the skeleton and the manufacture of bicarbonate in the blood.

The longer one drinks distilled water, the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state. I have done well over 3000 mineral evaluations using a combination of blood, urine and hair tests in my practice. Almost without exception, people who consume distilled water exclusively, eventually develop multiple mineral deficiencies.

Those who supplement their distilled water intake with trace minerals are not as deficient but still not as adequately nourished in minerals as their non-distilled water drinking counterparts even after several years of mineral supplementation.

The ideal water for the human body should be alkaline and this requires the presence of minerals like calcium and magnesium.

Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Once this is accomplished, the continued drinking of distilled water is a bad idea.

... Disease and early death is more likely to be seen with the long term drinking of distilled water. Avoid it except in special circumstances.







I really think it is important that if you are drinking distilled water that you add ionic minerals to it. Although, Dr. Mercola doesn't completely advise it. Also, I believe that due to the characteristics of distilled water if you buy it in the plastic containers there is danger of the chemicals from the plastic leaching into the distilled water.


One of the benefits of distilled water is that the distillation process removes the vibratory "memory" from the water. I do not know of anything else that does that. I also realize that Dr. Mercola has not delved into this sort of thing, at least not that I am aware of.

So, I don't think there are really any concrete answers as to what is the best water to drink. I do totally agree that making every effort to drink the purist water is of huge importance.

I do believe that Dr Mercola is very sincere. As a nurse I have a decent background in physiology and I have always felt that his information makes a lot of sense and jives with what I know about the physiology of the body. He has been known to modify past positions he has taken when further knowledge leads him to revise his understanding.

[Pris]

Posted by peterpam (here)
I know I am dropping into the conversation a little late but I was intrigued at the claims made against Dr. Mercola and distilled water. I have done a lot of studying regarding what the purist drinking water is and it can be frustrating at times. Here is the article that Mercola wrote regarding distilled water;



Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
Dr. Joseph Mercola

During nearly 19 years of clinical practice I, Dr. Joseph Mercola, have had the opportunity to observe the health effects of drinking different types of water. Most of you would agree that drinking unfiltered tap water could be hazardous to your health because of things like parasites, chlorine, fluoride and dioxins.

Many health fanatics, however, are often surprised to hear me say that drinking distilled water on a regular, daily basis is potentially dangerous.

Paavo Airola wrote about the dangers of distilled water in the 1970`s when it first became a fad with the health food crowd.

Distillation is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated and the vapor condensed. Distilled water is free of dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from the body and eliminate them.

Studies validate the benefits of drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a time).

Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutrient value.

Distilled water is an active absorber and when it comes into contact with air, it absorbs carbon dioxide, making it acidic. The more distilled water a person drinks, the higher the body acidity becomes.

According to the US Environmental Protection Agency, "Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact.

Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water."

The most toxic commercial beverages that people consume (i.e. cola beverages and other soft drinks) are made from distilled water. Studies have consistently shown that heavy consumers of soft drinks (with or without sugar) spill huge amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace minerals into the urine.

The more mineral loss, the greater the risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and a long list of degenerative diseases generally associated with premature aging.

A growing number of health care practitioners and scientists from around the world have been advocating the theory that aging and disease is the direct result of the accumulation of acid waste products in the body.

There is a great deal of scientific documentation that supports such a theory. A poor diet may be partially to blame for the waste accumulation. Meats, sugar, white flour products, fried foods, soft drinks, processed foods, alcohol, dairy products and other junk foods cause the body to become more acidic. Stress, whether mental or physical can lead to acid deposits in the body.

There is a correlation between the consumption of soft water (distilled water is extremely soft) and the incidence of cardiovascular disease. Cells, tissues and organs do not like to be dipped in acid and will do anything to buffer this acidity including the removal of minerals from the skeleton and the manufacture of bicarbonate in the blood.

The longer one drinks distilled water, the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state. I have done well over 3000 mineral evaluations using a combination of blood, urine and hair tests in my practice. Almost without exception, people who consume distilled water exclusively, eventually develop multiple mineral deficiencies.

Those who supplement their distilled water intake with trace minerals are not as deficient but still not as adequately nourished in minerals as their non-distilled water drinking counterparts even after several years of mineral supplementation.

The ideal water for the human body should be alkaline and this requires the presence of minerals like calcium and magnesium.

Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Once this is accomplished, the continued drinking of distilled water is a bad idea.

... Disease and early death is more likely to be seen with the long term drinking of distilled water. Avoid it except in special circumstances.







I really think it is important that if you are drinking distilled water that you add ionic minerals to it. Although, Dr. Mercola doesn't completely advise it. Also, I believe that due to the characteristics of distilled water if you buy it in the plastic containers there is danger of the chemicals from the plastic leaching into the distilled water.


One of the benefits of distilled water is that the distillation process removes the vibratory "memory" from the water. I do not know of anything else that does that. I also realize that Dr. Mercola has not delved into this sort of thing, at least not that I am aware of.

So, I don't think there are really any concrete answers as to what is the best water to drink. I do totally agree that making every effort to drink the purist water is of huge importance.

I do believe that Dr Mercola is very sincere. As a nurse I have a decent background in physiology and I have always felt that his information makes a lot of sense and jives with what I know about the physiology of the body. He has been known to modify past positions he has taken when further knowledge leads him to revise his understanding.

From what I've gathered, this is misinformation. Distilled water is the same as rain water. I've been drinking distilled water for a long time now and I'm still alive.

I found out a whole bunch of info from Andrew Norton Webber on this subject (amongst other sources). He's got many videos up if you're curious and here's his website.

http://aquariusthewaterbearer.com/

[Pam]

I looked at your sight, Pris and I get where you are coming from. After all of my research I decided that what Gabriel Cousins says makes the most sense to me. He is actually a MD but he has evolved so far from that paradigm that I feel it is almost degrading to call him that. Anyway, he wrote the book Spiritual Nutrition which is the best info I have ever read on nutrition. He is vegan and does a raw food diet. I found this video where he details what he thinks is the best drinking water. He does recommend distilled water but adds a small amount of ionic minerals that equate to 5o ppm. This eliminates the pulling, leaching quality of the distilled and makes it closer to absolutely pure spring water, which in a perfect world is probably what we would be drinking. He also adds a product called [I]crystal energy to structure the water molecules. There is a bit more but he explains it in the video.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vOJxYRosPRU

I would also like to say that I think distilled water may only be potentially harmful to somebody who is really full of toxins and is nutritionally unbalanced to begin with. So this is just food for thought!!!!!

With love and respect,
Pam

[Pris]

Posted by peterpam (here)
I looked at your sight, Pris and I get where you are coming from. After all of my research I decided that what Gabriel Cousins says makes the most sense to me. He is actually a MD but he has evolved so far from that paradigm that I feel it is almost degrading to call him that. Anyway, he wrote the book Spiritual Nutrition which is the best info I have ever read on nutrition. He is vegan and does a raw food diet. I found this video where he details what he thinks is the best drinking water. He does recommend distilled water but adds a small amount of ionic minerals that equate to 5o ppm. This eliminates the pulling, leaching quality of the distilled and makes it closer to absolutely pure spring water, which in a perfect world is probably what we would be drinking. He also adds a product called [I]crystal energy to structure the water molecules. There is a bit more but he explains it in the video.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vOJxYRosPRU

I would also like to say that I think distilled water may only be potentially harmful to somebody who is really full of toxins and is nutritionally unbalanced to begin with. So this is just food for thought!!!!!

With love and respect,
Pam

Thanks for that, Pam. I'm for the 'no dissolved rocks in my water, please' perspective. Any organic minerals I need come from the raw foods I eat. Rainwater/distilled water is only 'aggressive' towards that which is inorganic. This is why distilled water(s) are so good at pulling toxins/inorganic minerals out of the body. From my take on this, we are organic and our bodily fluids are 'distilled'. That means the inorganic stuff ought not to be inside us in the first place and causes nothing but bad health effects.

Thanks again, and I do appreciate your perspective.

[Natalia]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uDnd_C8Hkp8

[TheVoyager]

Why doesn't James Sloane says what pH stands for? It is a voltage!

At one point he says: "You can't' force your pH one way or the other." Well my life experience is saying that he is talking rubbish. No electricity, no life.
"Rare cases of acidosis" ? Rare cases? Most people are too acidic. And it's not about the stomach! It's not just about the stomach acid. These two guys are mixing and confusing different parts of alkaline/acidity issue. Alkalinity is not about taking baking soda. They seem not to know that alkaline is the other way of saying high voltage. High voltage means life.
He compares lemon juice to coffee? He must be a real expert. I bet he hasn't study Ayurveda or Alchemy to talk such rubbish. Putting lemon on your skin can be considered as a healing procedure. Our skin is the biggest organ we have, different parts are connected to different organs.
What do you think allergies are, chron's disease.. all those diseases where our flaura and fauna is in dis-order?

And about the salt… somebody should tell those elephants that a salt they search for and lick it is bad for them.

I suggest you to listen to this guy and you'll get a different picture. Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.. Yes, he wrote a book. He experienced it in his flesh, the low voltage - low pH.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5PnxRUw-f3Q

Posted by Amethyst (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7O6GhVCvVgE

[Pris]

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
And about the salt… somebody should tell those elephants that a salt they search for and lick it is bad for them.

This is no surprise. Salt is highly addictive.

[Natalia]

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
Why doesn't James Sloane says what pH stands for? It is a voltage!

At one point he says: "You can't' force your pH one way or the other." Well my life experience is saying that he is talking rubbish. No electricity, no life.
"Rare cases of acidosis" ? Rare cases? Most people are too acidic. And it's not about the stomach! It's not just about the stomach acid. These two guys are mixing and confusing different parts of alkaline/acidity issue. Alkalinity is not about taking baking soda. They seem not to know that alkaline is the other way of saying high voltage. High voltage means life.
He compares lemon juice to coffee? He must be a real expert. I bet he hasn't study Ayurveda or Alchemy to talk such rubbish. Putting lemon on your skin can be considered as a healing procedure. Our skin is the biggest organ we have, different parts are connected to different organs.
What do you think allergies are, chron's disease.. all those diseases where our flaura and fauna is in dis-order?

And about the salt… somebody should tell those elephants that a salt they search for and lick it is bad for them.

I suggest you to listen to this guy and you'll get a different picture. Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.. Yes, he wrote a book. He experienced it in his flesh, the low voltage - low pH.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5PnxRUw-f3Q

Posted by Amethyst (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7O6GhVCvVgE

I am learning as I go along...I don't post any video claiming it to all be true, it's just something that catches me at the time that I see/feel that there is some truth in it...

With the acid/alkaline diet...maybe there is such a thing as over doing it too much with the alkaline? This is not something that I want to do...

I'll watch the video that you shared, thanks.

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Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
And about the salt… somebody should tell those elephants that a salt they search for and lick it is bad for them.

This is no surprise. Salt is highly addictive.

I am right now eating a salad with some pink Himalayan sea salt on it, yum yum!

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by conk (here)
Love raw foods. It's all about the enzymes and biophotons (living essence and power of the Sun).

Don't forget the organic sulphur! Small amounts of heating or processing these breaks them down very easily - raw foods are abundant with organic sulphur that cooked foods don't have, - this deficiency in the very "cooked and processed" western foods can lead to a body not working optimally.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Pris (here)
Thanks for that, Pam. I'm for the 'no dissolved rocks in my water, please' perspective. Any organic minerals I need come from the raw foods I eat. Rainwater/distilled water is only 'aggressive' towards that which is inorganic. This is why distilled water(s) are so good at pulling toxins/inorganic minerals out of the body. From my take on this, we are organic and our bodily fluids are 'distilled'. That means the inorganic stuff ought not to be inside us in the first place and causes nothing but bad health effects.

I concur. Our internal waters are distilled and our internal minerals are organic. Anything else is unnatural, and the distilled water will remove them. The fear is that prolonged use of distilled water will deplete the minerals in the body, but I take organic mineral supplements as well as eat raw foods as best I can.

The caveat is, once your organic minerals are depleted in the body, it's almost impossible to restore them just eating raw fruits and vegetables. That would take in excess of 15 servings a day, so supplementing does replace the inorganic minerals being extracted and restores organic minerals and the natural homeostasis of the body.

[Pris]

Posted by Amethyst (here)
I am learning as I go along...I don't post any video claiming it to all be true, it's just something that catches me at the time that I see/feel that there is some truth in it...

With the acid/alkaline diet...maybe there is such a thing as over doing it too much with the alkaline? This is not something that I want to do...

I'll watch the video that you shared, thanks.

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Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
And about the salt… somebody should tell those elephants that a salt they search for and lick it is bad for them.

This is no surprise. Salt is highly addictive.

I am right now eating a salad with some pink Himalayan sea salt on it, yum yum!

Tsk tsk, Amethyst (hey, that [sort of] rhymes lol)! Btw, I love my salty organic soy sauce. And ketchup. And mustard. Although I've cut back on salt, I'm no saint.

Yes, from what I've read, you can be overly alkaline. Although, I'm not going to worry too much about that one myself. If you're curious how you're doing, you can buy these little ph testing strips. You can test your own saliva and your urine on a regular basis. It's fun!

[Natalia]

Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
And about the salt… somebody should tell those elephants that a salt they search for and lick it is bad for them.

This is no surprise. Salt is highly addictive.

Posted by Amethyst (here)
I am right now eating a salad with some pink Himalayan sea salt on it, yum yum!

Tsk tsk, Amethyst (hey, that [sort of] rhymes lol)! Btw, I love my salty organic soy sauce. And ketchup. And mustard. Although I've cut back on salt, I'm no saint.

Yes, from what I've read, you can be overly alkaline. Although, I'm not going to worry too much about that one myself. If you're curious how you're doing, you can buy these little ph testing strips. You can test your own saliva and your urine on a regular basis. It's fun!

I might just get that test, pris pris, hiss hiss, hehe