Abrahamic Religions = Extraterrestrial Psy Ops? (Effects of Christianity)

[Omni]

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[Peace&Love]

Thank you Omniverse! I agree with you and would like to add that Judaism follow similar lines. I grew up in a very strict religious environment and i know first hand how religion takes over completely of one's soul and from birth inserts fear based belief system and brain wash. It is all just the same. Thats how they control the largest populations of the planet. Its is by far the largest scale psy op with unfortunate successive success for thousands of years now. I guess when the religions will break apart they will need to find other ways to control the human population.

[Delight]

I do not think the religions are anything other than exercise of our own individula added to a whole collective imagination agreement. The human field of collective thought that each of us contributes towards is not all there is and anything could be if we can imagine. IMO god is our human imagination. Movement through stages of responsibility for this imagination and loosening of desire through having the enjoyment of experience are what we chose. IMO there are still places I resist and there are seemingly terrible appearances. However, I no longer think they are REALLY (meaning objective..they are UNREALLY as in subjective) important.

That is because they are not important to ME except as a review of what I no longer value. Living this way is going to eviscerate the story I used to tell. There is NOT one reason for experience and we are ONE with many faces. This is all GOOD and chosen.

It is a growing edge to leave the aspects of all states to those who still value the states chosen with no judgement. This is a ridiculously contrary notion that what is important to me is just all there is is "To IT". War for example. I no longer value being at war with myself. I do in certainty appreciate LOVE. This is using old ideas in new ways as far as y mind is concerned.

What I thought of being at effect of the collective beliefs and ideals is turning inside out, upside down and backwards. I Feeling more and more liberated from being held to the imaginations preferred by others, I still desire to share THIS story. Unconditional LOVE is really possible to be within right now. LOVE is actually present and forgiving of our experience.

I at the moment appreciate Neville Goddard and am re-focusing on the teachings there that "everything is fiction" for us to live through and learn. For example, the bible is not history but a psychological drama and each of us is all the characters. Here is an example of allowing imagination to have its experience from the last century. It is still happening.

I do not, for one moment, accept the theory of evolution as fact. It’s not fact. But I do accept evolution in the affairs of man. But don’t tell me that the little tool that is called a hoe in some strange way changed itself and became a tractor. Man changed it from the hoe to a plow drawn by a horse or drawn by an ox, and then he changed that to something even better. Then he changed his way of sailing a boat. He still sails a boat, but the boat didn’t suddenly go through a
metamorphosis in itself and become a steamship. No, man’s imagination conceived this strange thing for himself, and we call that “evolution.”

When you stand in the presence of the Risen Lord, you see man, and he’s Infinite Love – Infinite
Love. And you will never exercise Infinite Power until you first are incorporated into the body of
Infinite Love, because to have such power without love, you could ruin the universe! So, you will never come into such power until
you are incorporated into the body of Love and become one with the body of Love. For, he who is united with the Spirit becomes one Spirit with It, and,
therefore, you exercise the power through love.

But evolution– let them have it!

I would let every man have everything he wants in this world.
Let him have it. He has an imagination, and you can’t stop him from using it. Today there are people who love war – the excitement of war. A war
correspondent – he wants war. A professional soldier, especially if he is an officer –why, the most boring thing in the world for the professional soldier who is an
officer is peacetime! Why, he’s an ambitious man. He wants more things on his shoulder. You can’t get them in peacetime. These fellows live for a long time, unless they die off or resign, or disappear. You can’t promote them. They can have only so many of one rank and another rank. You can’t have numberless five - star
Generals! So, they either die off or have another war, or get killed off or something.

So, a man, if he’s ambitious, he wants to transcend whatever he is. If he is in business, he wants to expand beyond what he is. You can’t blame him; that’s what
he wants. If he has made a million this year – turned over a million, he wants to
turn over two next year. That is part of business. When he turns over two, he isn’t satisfied with that; he wants to turn over four. It is
perfectly all right. Well, the same thing is true if you are trained, not in business, but trained as a professional
soldier. When you come out of an academy, you come out as a Lieutenant. You don’t want to remain a Lieutenant. You are either going to quit the
service and go into some other thing, or, if you remain in the service, you don’twant to die a Lieutenant! You can’t afford a wife.

But if war breaks suddenly, our President who was a five-star General– Mr.Eisenhower– whenthe war broke, I think he was a Major. He quickly, in three years, rose to be General of all the Armies of Europe, and then, with that popularity, he couldn’t fail to carry the country when we were all aroused, and then we gave the victory to the one who led the Army. So, who could defeat him running for office? So, he rose from Major to the top rank in the Army, and then from that to the
highest position in our country, and he was loved to the very end. He was dearly loved. Everyone loved him, even those who were on the other side
of the political picture– they loved him. But from Major to that in a few short years! So, in peacetime, the most horrible thing for a professional soldier–
well, if he’s ambitious –you see, all these things happen in God’s world. You use your mind –your imagination, and have a noble goal, a lovely goal.

And don’t let anybody tell you that you aren’t entitled to it. Why aren’t you entitled to it? If you are not born to wealth, why can’t you earn it? There is no reason why you can’t earn it. Some are born to it, and some earn it and there’s no reason in the world –you have the same talent. He gave you a talent and that talent is your own wonderful human imagination.

But have faith in God. If you have faith in God, you have confidence in yourself, for God andman -the true Man–are one...
Neville Goddard 7/15/1970

[Agape]

But Omni , it's not about Christ ... the one who lived 2000 years ago - as historical person - and who said he will live in our hearts forever and to seek the Kingdom of Heaven within, seek truth in your heart or you shall never find it ,
seek Christ in your heart or you shall never find him, he's not other than you and other than any of us . So why looking for him outside .

Indeed the Christian church is a scam and construction of the rich elite and cabal , so is every other religious ( or non-religious ) institution on Earth - especially the Big Ones .

It says nothing about the teachers , the original teachers and masters , and prophets . Nothing . No likeness . I feel very sorry for you and many others like you who grew up in this kind of society where all spiritual teachings are corrupted nowadays and there are no real masters , and pure teachings do not exist in pure form .
It was predicted long ago in the Vedic cosmology that this age of corruption called 'Kaliyuga ' will take over human society and it mostly did .
It has some amazing advantages because it can make you think and act much faster and redeem yourself .. but the amount of moral decay is enormous, preventing many to see through the dark clouds of smog .

If you ever go back to where many of these teachings originated .. Middle East ( ok, that's a firezone nowadays , so not ) but further to India, China ( ok , there too are only communists these days so not recommended unless you want to go to museum ) or somewhere there .. closer to the cradle of this civilisation and its teachers you can still encounter how different the mentality is .. from our 'spoiled' and secular west .

Don't take me wrong on that but I'd not say this much unless it was true ..

The mentality of societies of old that enabled such awakened knowing , exalted wisdom , heart teachings .. was different . Even then , it let people suffer . You can teach people but what are they going to do with your teaching is entirely upto them and when society gets very spoiled they spoil your good name too .

I've said that somewhere already .. but if Jesus came back , by chance , these days , and he's expected to come back after all .. for all, of not 'for Christians only' ,

he would never walk around in white and golden robes , with papal cap on his head , I think he'd be very angry in fact if they took him to Vatican and he'd see all these 'pious people' worshipping his corps nailed to the cross , painted by gold, gold everywhere ,
I think he'd start to scream or walk out of there fast as possible . And he'd ask them why did they deceive him, why is the gold not used to feed the poor and what is the theatre they're making out of his prayers on Sunday .
And why is there a perverse replica of his body nailed to cross while he told them that truth never dies .

And I think he'd go back to Middle East and talk to the bad ISIS guys and tell them hey I love you, I am your brother , lets stop the massacre , the Peace has come ..

He would not be greater than anyone else . He said he's Son of God as he's Son of Man , as we all are .

He taught people to come out of the organised church and reach out to each other and share . Like all the other teachers who had true Love did . He did not invent another complicated ceremony and man only church and golden rooftops and symbolism , and whole new secret archive and what else .


I think that Buddha too would be shocked what became of some of his monks ..

and seeing his statues in every household while he taught his disciples not to draw his images and not to conduct stupid religious ceremonies around them and how all you need is your mind in one piece ,
instead of lots of special relics ..

Why do people have to make damn mess and dirt of everything that was meant to awaken the society .

[Delight]

Posted by Agape (here)
He would not be greater than anyone else . He said he's Son of God as he's Son of Man , as we all are ......

......Why do people have to make damn mess and dirt of everything that was meant to awaken the society .

I am not at all picking on what is said by anyone else. And perhap what makes sense to me will seem ridiuculous? Maybe people will still ascribe to all this being a terrible problem that must have a solution at the level of the world?

But what if we make all that we do create as an exericise that will lead us out of the amazement of desiring what we have not yet experienced? And what if by just knowing through what we experience that anything possible is ours already? We make a damn mess IMO just so we can clean up.

Maybe this speaker will seem way out of date as he addresses people in the ways he saw when he was in the body? But the same kinds of events.....war, businesses of commerce as merchandizing trade, relationships, humans who live for a bit in health or ill health, in poverty or riches, with friends or lonely are all the same stories that were playing when Buddha and Christ as identified people were living. If we have refused ourselves to exhaust these stories with our satisfaction, whether projected on this world, other worlds and wherever human mind makes it up, how can we ever give it up for some OTHER story. the lack of satisfaction is a real issue.

So IMO, we first learn that we can change the appearance and have happy stories and then we KNOW FOREVER who created these. So thanks for letting me share my passion here for the goodness of all I AM doing what I imagine is possible.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I_jRUKfVn38

[Agape]

Well, yes Delight .. guess I'm going a bit off topic in my mind here but it's all over the news anyway ..
the war .. and I wish we had the power to stop it , by our minds . The problem with any war is that it's actually almost impossible to stop once it started before there's substantial damage done to the attacking force .

But if we look to the heart of the problem .. and the way they see us here , their war will hardly ever stop . Because they think they're fighting for 'last religious society' on earth , for 'God' against the godless society we represent , society based on materialism and worldly values , they see us as extremists ..and are taking extreme measures to defeat the 'devil' of our godless world .
Now sure I'm not naive enough to think that they're innocent and I have to say also , I've been somehow protected from encounters with any such extremist movements, fighters and human wars and I don't think there's a place for me in those wars ..

but I'm thinking .. what would happen .. if we could show them we are also , like them, people of faith .. if the leaders of nations and when they meet could actually rise the awareness to such matters,
rather than talking of business all the time as if the business and weapons was what's going to save this world .

I know this may sound ridiculous to many but why don't they talk on what they believe ... Mr Obama and Mr Putin and Mr XiJi Pin and learn to speak language of heart,
and language of those nations who are still strongly religious and where most of the conflicts occur .
These people , quoted above , come through as if they believe in nothing and as if our ( and only theirs ) society and philosophy sorted it all or is able to ..

and see what happens ? The other side says 'no, you didn't' .

By refusing to accept that the history of mankind was closely tight and influenced by faith .. in God, in Prophets, in Masters,
by wiping these ideas from peoples minds forcefully the way China did it during the 'cultural revolution' what do they hope to achieve ?

More knowledgable and 'scientific' society ? Why not but that's a matter of education , not a brute force .

Despite many modern scientists claims and arrogant pride in knowing everything, mankind is far from being omniscient and having all the answers to its creation...and dissolution .

Admitting we all need a good amount of faith to survive this day and many other days to come is not a sign of weakness .


The material war .. may be a sign of extreme primitivism and brutality on part of certain groups and nations .. but .. the inner war .. that makes it so difficult to cross the distance between two human beings and say 'Peace' may be more important to solve and train in ..

what if our future 'armies' were trained to do just that ?

[Violet]

If Jesus ever came back...That reminds me of the Grand Inquisitor, a small but intriguing booklet: http://www.gnostics.com/inquisitor.html.

Your remark about the gold can also be seen in the islamic culture where the scholars wear robes with golden edges.

I've thought about that too, Agape: what if the original people would all come back to see what has become of their societies. That would be a very interesting stage.

Omniverse, which books do you recommend for reading up on the Jesuits? We have a such community in my country and they have founded some very influential educational institutions.

[sigma6]

I think the answer lies in John Lamb Lashes work in uncovering the true meaning and origin of the Gnostics, who were the real "pre-Christians" before it was taken over, institutionalized and corrupted by the Romans as a political tool of control. It also hides the Egyptian origins and mysticism related to what the Gnostics were really talking about... When they found the Nag Hammadi, great effort was put into suppressing and re-interpreting what was recently discovered, since it flew in the face of everything we have been told for the last 2000 years... ooops... Doesn't mean the bible is complete bunk or totally false, not in the least, it's just not that black and white and never will be... It is just not what we have been lead to believe... it is has been encrypted, encoded, redacted, added to, etc the historical Jesus never wrote one word of it... (to protect his "innocence" I imagine)

That is at least a major premise one can work off, for alternative research...

The Biggest Time Line Shift - ROMAN MATRIX - System Of Control By Deception
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post776944
just fixed all the links, and updated

[Agape]

Posted by Violet (here)
If Jesus ever came back...That reminds me of the Grand Inquisitor, a small but intriguing booklet: http://www.gnostics.com/inquisitor.html.

Your remark about the gold can also be seen in the islamic culture where the scholars wear robes with golden edges.

There's gold enough on this planet for everyones 'edges' ..

but here the 'star of the stadium' looks like Lady Gaga while 'their' women are forced to go around wrapped in those black curtains .. so , I think we are facing major human controversy about acceptable customs and modesty among else, as well ..


That's what I mean you know, bouncing of few extremes .. or even , being able to recognise what are they ..

[Milneman]

Good try though.

[Violet]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Violet (here)
If Jesus ever came back...That reminds me of the Grand Inquisitor, a small but intriguing booklet: http://www.gnostics.com/inquisitor.html.

Your remark about the gold can also be seen in the islamic culture where the scholars wear robes with golden edges.

There's gold enough on this planet for everyones 'edges' ..

but here the 'star of the stadium' looks like Lady Gaga while 'their' women are forced to go around wrapped in those black curtains .. so , I think we are facing major human controversy about acceptable customs and modesty among else, as well ..


That's what I mean you know, bouncing of few extremes .. or even , being able to recognise what are they ..

Bringing modesty in a balance. Some people say you don't need religion to know what's good and what's not. By the same token, what do we need to become more modest?

[Agape]

Posted by Violet (here)

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Violet (here)
If Jesus ever came back...That reminds me of the Grand Inquisitor, a small but intriguing booklet: http://www.gnostics.com/inquisitor.html.

Your remark about the gold can also be seen in the islamic culture where the scholars wear robes with golden edges.

There's gold enough on this planet for everyones 'edges' ..

but here the 'star of the stadium' looks like Lady Gaga while 'their' women are forced to go around wrapped in those black curtains .. so , I think we are facing major human controversy about acceptable customs and modesty among else, as well ..


That's what I mean you know, bouncing of few extremes .. or even , being able to recognise what are they ..

Bringing modesty in a balance. Some people say you don't need religion to know what's good and what's not. By the same token, what do we need to become more modest?

By discovering more truth about humanity .. the diversity of cultures and history that shaped them and is shaping us to who we are now .

Off topic again but I once had interesting conversation on this with one unrelated friend in India ( more a history lesson from him ) when we once stumbled on the topic of modesty and social customs, especially those associated with clothing .

As you probably know , the traditional woman dress in India is sari ..6 meters long piece of cloth elegantly wrapped around the body forming a beautiful feminine silhouette . There are many other , equally traditional types of clothing being worn around , including long and colourful Rajasthani and Kashmiri skirts with rich embroidery , pajama type of dresses with loose trousers etc etc , but head scarf for woman ( especially married woman , that's it ) used to be a 'must' .

I always thought this all has to do with ancient religious culture and customs , as also manly types of cloth - mostly dhotis and other scarves are worn in tight-loose and often multi-purpose fashion and can be used to cover your head , as sign of respect or to maintain a level of privacy .

That was roughly my idea though ... the friend who decided to talk on it is a a descendant of quite a learned family and despite his total lack of involvement in any religion he still respects his elders .. or has to .. and this was obviously shared by his grandfather .

Before the British colonisation of India , there was little if any 'modesty' known in colloquial Hindu culture that would be concerned with clothing . Women as men , walked around not only barefoot but also half naked and without any special head covers ,
covers and complicated costumes were always traditionally reserved for the rich, kings and queens , that part of populace .

Woman nakedness - such as moms breastfeeding babies did not attract any special attention , bare breasts were more common with both genders and it did not seem to provoke any sort of unusual 'sexual violence' .

However .. according to his story , that is .. when the British aristocracy came to India and settled there ..they were far from wanting to adopt or even learn from local cultures, traditions and habits .
To this day .. the words 'ma'm' and 'sir' bear a sarcastic undertone in Indian English while everyone enjoys calling themselves 'those titles' , it's not longer a sign of respect , it can sound more like expletive ( I had words on this with few local guys there as well , telling them how the old Indian culture known to me used to be quite a bit more respectful ) .

English Madams and Sirs could not bear the awful sight of half naked savages running around their fences and strict dress code was firstly imposed on those who were employed as servants ,
and later , extended to common folks - acceptable common peoples - customs of proper dress that included women respectfully covering their body and head ,
men wearing shirt while in the office etc

I do believe some of it is true , actually ...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I agree generally but there's one thing I would add.

I know especially in the case of Christianity, though it's been used for hundreds of years to persecute, control and murder millions and millions of people, the religion had wholesome roots before corruption immediately set in, and even now it still does lots and lots of good.

The primary reason for this I think is that the message of love in the Bible could not be completely whitewashed. For a long time, common peasants couldn't read the Bible and so had no idea what it said. So war and sin and hell could be emphasized. But once people began to read it themselves, during that Protestant Reformation which was so repugnant to the Catholic Church, they realized just how much love and forgiveness was actually in the Bible. And if you read the New Testament, clearly it is a huge spiritual improvement over what has been happening in the Old Testament. The two great commandments according to Jesus are made very clear: Love God and love your neighbor (fellow man or woman) as you love yourself.


The original Greek (Gnostic) texts often spoke of pantheons of false gods who controlled and manipulated humanity to do evil things. At least one of them even claims that Yahweh is a false god who believes he is the supreme and/or only god, but is very sadly mistaken, as the son of the real God comes to announce to him. This is where the stories of archons come from, that talk about negative entities feeding off of the energy of mankind.

Posted by sigma6 (here)
I think the answer lies in John Lamb Lashes work in uncovering the true meaning and origin of the Gnostics, who were the real "pre-Christians" before it was taken over, institutionalized and corrupted by the Romans as a political tool of control.

Yes. I don't know of John Lamb (will have to look him up), but if you take Eusebius's book "The History of the Church" (written only in the 300's AD), the book chronicles one persecution after another. Rome, for a long time, was obsessed with killing Christians. After Constantine reversed the empire's perspective on Christians, the goal became destroying "heretical" literature and replacing it with altered, Rome-friendly theologies that teams of imperial and Catholic scholars worked on across several centuries. I think Eusebius's work was altered during this same period, and there's evidence of that within the modern version of the text.

[sigma6]

Bringing modesty in a balance. Some people say you don't need religion to know what's good and what's not. By the same token, what do we need to become more modest?

Complete exposure of all your senses to the absolute truth. The total enormity of it all. I think that is considered one of the definitions of what real "love" is supposed to be...

[ElfeMya]

Posted by Peace&Love (here)
Thank you Omniverse! I agree with you and would like to add that Judaism follow similar lines. I grew up in a very strict religious environment and i know first hand how religion takes over completely of one's soul and from birth inserts fear based belief system and brain wash. It is all just the same. Thats how they control the largest populations of the planet. Its is by far the largest scale psy op with unfortunate successive success for thousands of years now. I guess when the religions will break apart they will need to find other ways to control the human population.

The kardashians ?

[Peace&Love]

Posted by ElfeMya
The kardashians ?

Oh no they wouldn't do that... the Kardashians technique failed on the previous episodes of 'Earth- The Human experience' Inter-Galactic TV show. I think it was on season 12 million, what we see now is only a rerun. lol You were kidding right? Kardashians... that is even too nasty for the PTB...

[ElfeMya]

Posted by Peace&Love (here)

Posted by ElfeMya
The kardashians ?

Oh no they wouldn't do that... the Kardashians technique failed on the previous episodes of 'Earth- The Human experience' Inter-Galactic TV show. I think it was on season 12 million, what we see now is only a rerun. lol You were kidding right? Kardashians... that is even too nasty for the PTB...

Yes totally joking ! ;-)

[Omni]

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[yuhui]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
I think the answer lies in John Lamb Lashes work in uncovering the true meaning and origin of the Gnostics, who were the real "pre-Christians" before it was taken over, institutionalized and corrupted by the Romans as a political tool of control. It also hides the Egyptian origins and mysticism related to what the Gnostics were really talking about... When they found the Nag Hammadi, great effort was put into suppressing and re-interpreting what was recently discovered, since it flew in the face of everything we have been told for the last 2000 years... ooops... Doesn't mean the bible is complete bunk or totally false, not in the least, it's just not that black and white and never will be... It is just not what we have been lead to believe... it is has been encrypted, encoded, redacted, added to, etc the historical Jesus never wrote one word of it... (to protect his "innocence" I imagine)

Agree~
Just check "Awake in our Mythology" and "School Of The Holy Science" facebook pages.
You will get the clue.

[Shannon]

This is a quote from the Mr.X interview I found on PC...

They also claim to have created our prophets to come and teach spirituality. The message of various religions have distorted the teachings of these prophets to be little more than a control device for the masses.

http://projectcamelot.org/mr_x_interview.html