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    Exit Hole ....Exit Hole .... Exit Hole ....
    If this isn't the biggest smoking gun please explain.
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    The Pentagon exit hole is one of the most anomalous features of the Pentagon attack. It is 310 feet away from the impact area, near perfectly round and absolutely inexplicable in terms of the composite nose of a Boeing 757-200 "punching out". The other sore thumb about it is that it is avoided in ALL of the official reports. "It is not explained in the Building Performance Report, the Shoring Report, the Arlington County After-Action Report or the 9/11 Commission Report.". The only report by an engineer commenting on it was linked right here at Rense.com. This article will attempt to support Michael Meyer's position that a type of shape charge was used.
    http://www.rense.com/general70/hole.htm


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    OK, here goes, I have been a bricklayer for some years and that hole is not made by an airplane, just look at it, no jagged edges at all,if you punch a hole through a brick wall it will NOT look that neat, especially because that supposed airplane went through rows and row and rows of steel reinforced concrete columns and walls and by the time it would have arrived at hole it would be completely shredded to bits and jagged pieces and nothing even remotely resembling an airplane nose cone would survive that little journey through that sort of terrain intact, let alone make a nose cone sized and shaped exit hole, utterly ridiculous, that hole is made by a shaped charge, its an exit hole all right, but not from an airplane, someone left that building through that hole with SOMETHING they wanted OUT of the building, my best guess would be a big old pile of hard drives filled with severely incriminating information , the round circumference of the hole is just a nice touch to make you think something with that shape punched through that wall, it didn't, ( a square hole would have been a bit too obvious eh)I commented on that two years ago I believe and I said approximately the same thing, that hole is NOT made by an airplane, its a door.

    Btw, look at that neat little pile of rubble in front of the hole, even if a plane had speed enough to punch through that magical hole, it would not look like that, a precisely calculated controlled big badaboom device probably resembling Play Dough was stuck to that wall around the edges of the soon to be made hole and blew a nice round hole in it, They probably drew the circumference of the soon to be hole in the wall with nothing but a piece of string, a nail and a sharpie.

    Special forces do entries like this all the time, they train for it and with it, and when you enter a building like that, you can also exit it in the same way, from the inside out instead from the outside in, the question is, why didn't they use the front door, nobody would notice them leaving, especially since it takes about three minutes to change clothes, so if someone chose to leave through a wall, what were they carrying that they couldn't get away with at the front door, did security even know they were in the building, don't you have to pass through security when entering and exiting, aren't those people logged in and out, pass through metal detectors and past dudes with guns and God knows what else?

    Miners around the world make holes like that too in massive rock walls above and below ground, they have been making tunnels with explosives for about 150 years plus through mountains, or just looking for natural resources in tight spaces they have done this a zillion times like this, maybe with less sophisticated tools and explosives and needing more time, but its not uncommon.

    I am willing to take a bet that the front door and back door explosion happened simultaneous to hide its creation and that it was prepared in advance. As a matter of fact, imo the whole purpose of the so called plane was to hide the creation of the exit hole, don't forget, the people in the Pentagon had at least the whole night to drag whatever they stole to the hole, all they needed was one bang to get out, a bang that would have attracted a lot of unwanted attention, hence front door diversion bang by supposed plane. Hide small boom in big boom, even when all you need is a small boom, you still have to hide the boom.

    And Elvis left the building through a shortcut with a huge bag of very special important and valuable "doughnuts".
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    Quote Btw, look at that neat little pile of rubble in front of the hole, even if a plane had speed enough to punch through that magical hole, it would not look like that, a precisely calculated controlled big badaboom device probably resembling Play Dough was stuck to that wall around the edges of the soon to be made hole and blew a nice round hole in it, They probably drew the circumference of the soon to be hole in the wall with nothing but a piece of string, a nail and a sharpie.

    The hole obviously wasn't made from an aluminum airplane.
    So perhaps we are looking at some advanced technology weapon here?
    Not sure if this video has been debunked or is even from original footage.
    But this will give you something to research if you like.
    There are other videos showing sphere type objects around the planes
    On 911.
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    I've always loved that the Official Story maintains that the hole in the Pentagon is small, because the plane impacted it at such speed, that the force of the impact made the wings bend backwards, collapsing in with the fuselage as it entered the building.

    ...

    Um, guys? Anybody remember the plane-shaped cartoon cut-out on WTC 1 and 2?

    9/11 is truly the day that physics just went a little wonky.

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    That's a good point, outerheaven.

    In one case the wings, we are told, folded up so neatly when "sucked" into the hole that it appears they never even touched the outer surface of the building.

    In the other case, the wings wouldn't stop for anything and barrelled straight through a dense row of steel columns.

    Things that make you go "hmmmmm....."

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    Oouthere..

    I find your theories very interesting. It's always good to have someone around with an opposite view on something and I think you're quite brave sharing what you honestly believe to be a plausible answer to something that 99% of people here will disagree with.

    Personally I believe that you're mistaken or wrong but I appreciate the opposite viewpoint as it shows the side that I don't see much. I only ever see videos that will blast the official story to shreds and other than that I sadly see people whom are are so patriotic and stern but never delve into the subject any farther than what the media says or what they personally cannot except. You have thrown some stuff into the mix that I find very interesting for other reasons.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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    Quote Posted by jerry (here)
    The following video is one of the best I have been able to find on 911 when considering time and facts covered. James Corbett tactfully covers the convincing talking points in a short 4 minute + video that will give any deniers still out there the most serious questions to ponder. Give them pause to reflect on the evidence presented by our leaders through the unquestioning MSM.
    It is a good video but it does against nothing that has been discussed. I am simply saying that a plane hit the Pentagon. Look at the photographic evidence:

    Engine parts fit a 757
    Sheet metal parts fit a 757
    Landing gear parts fit a 757
    Bodies from a 757
    Generator damage matches a 757
    Light pole damage matches a 757
    The impact hole matches a 757
    So taking all of these photographs to be true and discardin
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    Quote Posted by Oouthere (here)
    [...]
    The impact hole matches a 757 http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...eing_small.jpg
    [...]
    ...
    ... ??? ...

    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    Here are some more visual comparisons.

    This was the original hole before the roof collapsed:





    It's rather obvious, to me at least, that no plane went into that hole. This is the same hole that General Stubblebine (US military) was talking about when he said there was no way a plane went in there.
    [...]
    Published on Feb 12, 2013
    Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in parapsychology.

    Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University.[1] His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.

    Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).[2] Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasion of Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine".[3] He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.[4]

    Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege"[2] in which he states, in relation to the attack on The Pentagon which took place on September 11, 2001: I look at the hole in The Pentagon, and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon, and I said "The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon?"




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    Tha Arab hijacker of Flight 77 placed a statue of Mohammed on the dashboard of the jet. From that moment on, "Islamic Magic" took over. The jet WAS able to fly at a speed and altitude that defies physics. The wings and tail of the jet retracted and the entire fuselage shrunk down considerably in size (the entire 757 jet aircraft actually went right through the ground-floor window shown here:

    THIS IS NOT COGNITIVE DISSONANCE! It is Magic!

    Islamic Magic destroyed ALL the data about the 2.3 trillion dollars that Rumsfeld announced one day before was "missing", and the Islamic Magic was so powerful it went from the "dumb" terminals in that section of the Pentagon, followed the network cables snaking through the building, went through the routers, and ERASED all the data in the servers that were not destroyed in the Magic Arab Attack. The Magic was so powerful that it erased the data from all pieces of paper filed anywhere and everywhere in the Pentagon and in other military offices in all other buildings in the US having anything to do with the missing trillions. The Magic was so strong that it confused and befuddled Maj Gen Stubblebine, one of the most qualified observers on the subject alive on Earth, into believing that the jet could not shrink into that window. The Magic was so powerful that it erased all images from all cameras mounted on and around the Pentagon and in the nearby neighborhood, except for a few frames from one camera that looks like a bomb went off in the building.

    Still not convinced it was Magic?

    All of the Saudi Arabian hijackers placed an identical statue of Mohammed on the dashboard of the jets they hijacked. The Magic was so strong that it made the Shanksville jet disappear (or maybe it made Cheney order it shot down.) The Magic was so strong that it made the aluminum nosecone of the jet that hit the second WTC tower go through the steel columns and appear intact on the other side. The Magic was so strong that it made the jet fuel burn at more than double the normal combustion temperature and it melted all the steel and pulverized all the concrete in the towers (and everything below the crash sites simply abandoned all of its physical properties and disintegrated itself.)

    Still not convinced it was Magic?

    The Islamic Magic was so powerful that it led to retaliatory wars against 2 countries where hundreds of thousands of Muslims were martyred, which certainly must have been Allah's wish, because as noted, this was Islamic Magic. The Magic is so powerful that it is still working! It created alQaeda and now ISIS/ISIL/IS to ensure that more Muslims are martyred. (Maybe Allah does not want Muslims to control all the oil and gas and lithium in the Middle East?)

    So, put away your slide rules. You simply cannot figure out how all of this took place - because it was Magic.

    Now maybe we can stop talking about the shrunken jet flying through the window at the Pentagon, and we can actually allow this thread to steer back to the Veterans Today article. For those still under a spell, simply go back and read the first post. If the Magic is still befuddling you (and making you want to argue about shrunken jets at the Pentagon instead of staying on-topic), spin around three times counter-clockwise while repeating "cigam" over and over until the Magic spell wears off.

    Dennis


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    Quote Posted by Oouthere (here)
    [...]
    The impact hole matches a 757 http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...eing_small.jpg
    [...]
    ...
    ... ??? ...

    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    Here are some more visual comparisons.

    This was the original hole before the roof collapsed:





    It's rather obvious, to me at least, that no plane went into that hole. This is the same hole that General Stubblebine (US military) was talking about when he said there was no way a plane went in there.
    [...]
    Published on Feb 12, 2013
    Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in parapsychology.

    Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University.[1] His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.

    Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).[2] Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasion of Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine".[3] He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.[4]

    Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege"[2] in which he states, in relation to the attack on The Pentagon which took place on September 11, 2001: I look at the hole in The Pentagon, and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon, and I said "The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon?"


    One thing to remember about Stubblebine is he also concentrated and banged his head trying to walk through a wall. Just because someone is in the military does not mean they are any more apt at analysis that anyone else.

    Take away the foam and the earlier picture is what is really there, not the small hole everyone wants to believe is there.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Tha Arab hijacker of Flight 77 placed a statue of Mohammed on the dashboard of the jet. From that moment on, "Islamic Magic" took over. The jet WAS able to fly at a speed and altitude that defies physics. The wings and tail of the jet retracted and the entire fuselage shrunk down considerably in size (the entire 757 jet aircraft actually went right through the ground-floor window shown here:

    THIS IS NOT COGNITIVE DISSONANCE! It is Magic!

    Islamic Magic destroyed ALL the data about the 2.3 trillion dollars that Rumsfeld announced one day before was "missing", and the Islamic Magic was so powerful it went from the "dumb" terminals in that section of the Pentagon, followed the network cables snaking through the building, went through the routers, and ERASED all the data in the servers that were not destroyed in the Magic Arab Attack. The Magic was so powerful that it erased the data from all pieces of paper filed anywhere and everywhere in the Pentagon and in other military offices in all other buildings in the US having anything to do with the missing trillions. The Magic was so strong that it confused and befuddled Maj Gen Stubblebine, one of the most qualified observers on the subject alive on Earth, into believing that the jet could not shrink into that window. The Magic was so powerful that it erased all images from all cameras mounted on and around the Pentagon and in the nearby neighborhood, except for a few frames from one camera that looks like a bomb went off in the building.

    Still not convinced it was Magic?

    All of the Saudi Arabian hijackers placed an identical statue of Mohammed on the dashboard of the jets they hijacked. The Magic was so strong that it made the Shanksville jet disappear (or maybe it made Cheney order it shot down.) The Magic was so strong that it made the aluminum nosecone of the jet that hit the second WTC tower go through the steel columns and appear intact on the other side. The Magic was so strong that it made the jet fuel burn at more than double the normal combustion temperature and it melted all the steel and pulverized all the concrete in the towers (and everything below the crash sites simply abandoned all of its physical properties and disintegrated itself.)

    Still not convinced it was Magic?

    The Islamic Magic was so powerful that it led to retaliatory wars against 2 countries where hundreds of thousands of Muslims were martyred, which certainly must have been Allah's wish, because as noted, this was Islamic Magic. The Magic is so powerful that it is still working! It created alQaeda and now ISIS/ISIL/IS to ensure that more Muslims are martyred. (Maybe Allah does not want Muslims to control all the oil and gas and lithium in the Middle East?)

    So, put away your slide rules. You simply cannot figure out how all of this took place - because it was Magic.

    Now maybe we can stop talking about the shrunken jet flying through the window at the Pentagon, and we can actually allow this thread to steer back to the Veterans Today article. For those still under a spell, simply go back and read the first post. If the Magic is still befuddling you (and making you want to argue about shrunken jets at the Pentagon instead of staying on-topic), spin around three times counter-clockwise while repeating "cigam" over and over until the Magic spell wears off.

    Dennis
    Why is it so difficult to understand that the black box data and radar data needs to be thrown away? Would you want your black box data to show that the aircraft was being remoted while using the highway as an alignment for your ground coordinates? A decade earlier they had performed over 100 consistent landings with touchdown within centimeters each time. Align the craft to the highway (hint: light poles knocked down) and impact the Pentagon (hint: black box data useless, much slower speed and remoted).

    Otherwise you need to explain how the light poles were knocked over, how one landed in a taxis, how the generator was damaged, how the fireball over the pentagon would match the generator fuel spraying everywhere and burning. And even better how they landed the hi-jacked aircraft, grabbed a stewardess, burned her body, cut her arm off, and put it in the Pentagon. Then explain how they threw the aircraft parts into the air so they could land on and near cars, plus placing a part that weighs thousands of pounds in the middle of burned-up section that even a fork lift could not get to.

    My theory works pretty good, yours is so full of holes it is laughable.

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    Quote My theory works pretty good, yours is so full of holes it is laughable.
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    I really can't believe what I'm reading here. Maybe that's the point, to sling mud and shake up the pool.
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    Exit Hole ....Exit Hole .... Exit Hole ....
    If this isn't the biggest smoking gun please explain.
    Attachment 27450

    The Pentagon exit hole is one of the most anomalous features of the Pentagon attack. It is 310 feet away from the impact area, near perfectly round and absolutely inexplicable in terms of the composite nose of a Boeing 757-200 "punching out". The other sore thumb about it is that it is avoided in ALL of the official reports. "It is not explained in the Building Performance Report, the Shoring Report, the Arlington County After-Action Report or the 9/11 Commission Report.". The only report by an engineer commenting on it was linked right here at Rense.com. This article will attempt to support Michael Meyer's position that a type of shape charge was used.
    http://www.rense.com/general70/hole.htm


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    OK, here goes, I have been a bricklayer for some years and that hole is not made by an airplane, just look at it, no jagged edges at all,if you punch a hole through a brick wall it will NOT look that neat, especially because that supposed airplane went through rows and row and rows of steel reinforced concrete columns and walls and by the time it would have arrived at hole it would be completely shredded to bits and jagged pieces and nothing even remotely resembling an airplane nose cone would survive that little journey through that sort of terrain intact, let alone make a nose cone sized and shaped exit hole, utterly ridiculous, that hole is made by a shaped charge, its an exit hole all right, but not from an airplane, someone left that building through that hole with SOMETHING they wanted OUT of the building, my best guess would be a big old pile of hard drives filled with severely incriminating information , the round circumference of the hole is just a nice touch to make you think something with that shape punched through that wall, it didn't, ( a square hole would have been a bit too obvious eh)I commented on that two years ago I believe and I said approximately the same thing, that hole is NOT made by an airplane, its a door.

    Btw, look at that neat little pile of rubble in front of the hole, even if a plane had speed enough to punch through that magical hole, it would not look like that, a precisely calculated controlled big badaboom device probably resembling Play Dough was stuck to that wall around the edges of the soon to be made hole and blew a nice round hole in it, They probably drew the circumference of the soon to be hole in the wall with nothing but a piece of string, a nail and a sharpie.

    Special forces do entries like this all the time, they train for it and with it, and when you enter a building like that, you can also exit it in the same way, from the inside out instead from the outside in, the question is, why didn't they use the front door, nobody would notice them leaving, especially since it takes about three minutes to change clothes, so if someone chose to leave through a wall, what were they carrying that they couldn't get away with at the front door, did security even know they were in the building, don't you have to pass through security when entering and exiting, aren't those people logged in and out, pass through metal detectors and past dudes with guns and God knows what else?

    Miners around the world make holes like that too in massive rock walls above and below ground, they have been making tunnels with explosives for about 150 years plus through mountains, or just looking for natural resources in tight spaces they have done this a zillion times like this, maybe with less sophisticated tools and explosives and needing more time, but its not uncommon.

    I am willing to take a bet that the front door and back door explosion happened simultaneous to hide its creation and that it was prepared in advance. As a matter of fact, imo the whole purpose of the so called plane was to hide the creation of the exit hole, don't forget, the people in the Pentagon had at least the whole night to drag whatever they stole to the hole, all they needed was one bang to get out, a bang that would have attracted a lot of unwanted attention, hence front door diversion bang by supposed plane. Hide small boom in big boom, even when all you need is a small boom, you still have to hide the boom.

    And Elvis left the building through a shortcut with a huge bag of very special important and valuable "doughnuts".




    The hole is not perfect by any means. Look at the left side and you will see part of a column or wall still intact, even an un-scorched white pipe hiding behind it indicating no explosives.

    So, how did the parts get on the outside of the Pentagon. Fork lift was waiting for the explosion with parts already loaded? How long did it take this forklift to neatly arrange the parts to look like they penetrated the wall? And how come not one of the people that it obviously took to put these parts in place have came forward?

    Left with something through the hole? You see the scorch marks at the top of the bricks from the fire that was inside the building? How is someone going to walk through a burning hole carrying computer parts?

    To me, that hole does not look a whole lot different than this is:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...-6_468x312.jpg

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    Quote My theory works pretty good, yours is so full of holes it is laughable.
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    I really can't believe what I'm reading here. Maybe that's the point, to sling mud and shake up the pool.
    It's pretty simply, throw out the conspiracy theories and look at the PHYSICAL evidence, not listen to the testimonies, analysis, black box data, radar, or anything else that can be controlled and changed by the officials. Want to change my mind? Disprove anything I have said using common sense and is provable without magic, unknown technologies, or the impossible pre-planted parts theories.

    I've after truth, nothing else. I simply hate people being mislead when I know they are being misled (at least on the part of the plane hitting the Pentagon). I have a mild case of asperger's and if you look it up, it will explain how I approach problems. Truth is my religion.
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    It is good to have many different views on this. The remote-controlled plane theory is not much different from the missile theory...



    @Oouthere: why hide the footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon and where are the other charred bodies ?

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    Actually I do believe WTC7 was brought down by demolitions. But it was tested on video that the beams will bend and collapse under a load with simple jet fuel so I cannot completely discount WTC1 and WTC2 as having collapsed because of fire. Since WTC7 did not have this, it is a good possibility that something else caused it to collapse. Plus the BBC announced the collapsed before it happened is reason for concern as well.
    With all due respect Oouthere, I'm a bit puzzled how you could believe WTC7 was brought down by demolitions, but then believe buildings 1 & 2 were brought down by jet fueled fires. Doesn't it seem odd that two buildings would come down by fires caused by the unexpected impact of planes, but the third would be brought down by a controlled (i.e., planned) demolition? It takes weeks, if not months, to plan and wire a building so that it can be brought down in its own footprint--and even then it doesn't always go as planned.

    It has already been proven that office fires (stoked by jet fuel or not) cannot melt or sufficiently weaken high-rise steel structures to bring them down. And this is borne out by the fact that never in history has a single skyscraper been brought down by fires or plane impacts--of which there have been dozens if not hundreds.

    I highly recommend you watch The Anatomy of a Great Deception documentary and visit some the better 9/11 websites like Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Scientists for 9/11 Truth, U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and there are many more that provide real expert testimony including the impossibility of the towers being brought down by fires; much less in their own footprint a la controlled demolition style.
    I never said I did not believe the WTC were brought down by charges, just that it has been proven that beams without fire insulation will fail within minutes of an open air jet fuel fire. It does not matter who says it cannot, it has been proven and it does fail. There may have been charges to bring all of them down, just certain WTC7 was without doubt.

    I've looked at all of the videos, studied for 100's of hours (it bothered me terribly and I could not sleep). You will find my name on on www.patriotsquestion911.com "******* ****** – Avionics Maintenance Technician. Experienced with integrated avionics systems on General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon and Fairchild - Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II (aka "Warthog"). U.S. Air Force veteran. 10-year military career."

    Richard Gage even revoked his endorsement of CIT for the fly over theory. As far as I know, other than a plane hitting the Pentagon there has not been a good explanation that fills in all the blanks without getting into completely far fetched and unworkable theories. I bought about 10 copies of Richard Gage's video, put together packages and sent to all of my local mayors, senator and congressman asking them to pull our troops out since they had been sent to war under false pretenses.
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    It is good to have many different views on this. The remote-controlled plane theory is not much different from the missile theory...



    @Oouthere: why hide the footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon and where are the other charred bodies ?
    These are only speculations of course, but perhaps releasing the one video showing the craft enabled the speed to not be calculated with precision. Plus the time was wrong on the released video anyway.

    A remoted plane and a remoted missile theories are very different. For the remote missile theory to work you have to either have two missiles fired simultaneously in order to knock over the lights poles and impact at the same instance. Or you have to have pre-planted light poles, and hire a cab driver to driver around with a pole sticking out of his windshield hoping no one sees him just before stopping and spreading glass on the road to start his fake story of a plane.

    Only the ones you've probably seen.

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    Quote Posted by Oouthere (here)
    For the remote missile theory to work you have to either have two missiles fired simultaneously in order to knock over the lights poles and impact at the same instance. Or you have to have pre-planted light poles, and hire a cab driver to driver around with a pole sticking out of his windshield hoping no one sees him just before stopping and spreading glass on the road to start his fake story of a plane.
    I believe the cab driver was hired. Man, how do you explain the miracle of the light pole not even touching the hood of the cab ?







    Taxi driver comes close to admitting he was part of 9/11:


    England’s own drawing of the pole through the windshield of his cab.
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    Is there anyone out there thats credible to have lost a loved one or relative that were passengers on any of the planes?

    Personally I don't even believe any people were on the flights because the flights didn't actually exist.

    Regarding the Pentagon.. a missile was used. If they had any video footage of (A PLANE) they would of rubbed our noses in it at the time seeing as we had all been led to believe and saw what looked like 2 passenger aircraft slamming into the WTC. We even saw people falling out of the towers and can hear them landing. So the Pentagon being hit would of been mild to the eyes after that.

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    Is there anyone out there thats credible to have lost a loved one or relative that were passengers on any of the planes?

    Personally I don't even believe any people were on the flights because the flights didn't actually exist.

    Regarding the Pentagon.. a missile was used. If they had any video footage of (A PLANE) they would of rubbed our noses in it at the time seeing as we had all been led to believe and saw what looked like 2 passenger aircraft slamming into the WTC. We even saw people falling out of the towers and can hear them landing. So the Pentagon being hit would of been mild to the eyes after that.
    People keep saying it is a missile, but ALL of the pieces fit a 757. You tell the family members of loved ones who lost someone on flight 77 that they never were real.

    Darwin Weigel

    Suzzane Calley

    Plus a few more.

    Confront with facts and beliefs still override. They keep saying a missile, so perhaps if I keep saying a plane then common sense and logic will eventually prevail.

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