Michael Tellinger

[indigopete]

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Natures money is gifting among itself for mutual accommodation. We are part of nature, shouldn't we act as part of it instead of trying to live apart from it.

Nature's money is not gifting - far from it.

To me, the very word embodies a kind of patronising implication of spiritual or material inequality that requires redress. Nature does not work on this basis. On the contrary, it tends towards diversity rather than equality and that in turn makes co-dependency and mutual exchange all the more important.

In this respect, "money" is no more than an information system. It communicates information about excess and deficiency so that resources can be moved away from areas of excess and towards those that are deficient. It is not for the "gifter" to make that decision. It is for the society as a whole which it does through an age old mechanism known as 'markets'.

Giving away, or "gifting" your resources is just the material equivalent of giving away your spiritual power. If you do it to excess you'll end up an axe murderer yourself. Although gifting is "nice" and ok for helping the odd person out if you happen to have an excess of something, it's by no means a basis for sustaining a planetary society. For a start, the level of waste would be astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over "need".

This is just a "world-improver" notion with a palletable label that hasn't been thought through in my opinion.

[spiritguide]

Posted by indigopete (here)

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Natures money is gifting among itself for mutual accommodation. We are part of nature, shouldn't we act as part of it instead of trying to live apart from it.

Nature's money is not gifting - far from it.

To me, the very word embodies a kind of patronising implication of spiritual or material inequality that requires redress. Nature does not work on this basis. On the contrary, it tends towards diversity rather than equality and that in turn makes co-dependency and mutual exchange all the more important.

In this respect, "money" is no more than an information system. It communicates information about excess and deficiency so that resources can be moved away from areas of excess and towards those that are deficient. It is not for the "gifter" to make that decision. It is for the society as a whole which it does through an age old mechanism known as 'markets'.

Giving away, or "gifting" your resources is just the material equivalent of giving away your spiritual power. If you do it to excess you'll end up an axe murderer yourself. Although gifting is "nice" and ok for helping the odd person out if you happen to have an excess of something, it's by no means a basis for sustaining a planetary society. For a start, the level of waste would be astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over "need".

This is just a "world-improver" notion with a palletable label that hasn't been thought through in my opinion.

Take all you want but use all you take! Maybe it is time for leaders not managers. The level of waste is astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over need now. IMO

[Pam]

Posted by 72MAV27 (here)
The problem with money is that it sets up the environment for jealousy. And jealousy turns into all kinds of other negative emotions. And those emotions end up getting the planet into the mess it's in right now. IMO money could only truly work if everyone had an equal amount.

I have a friend that has an opinion that we could do away with money. He thinks that right now technology has advanced to the point where most "jobs" could be done mechanically or robotically. This would leave each person with time to focus on what they have a true passion for. And when someone is doing their true passion they would gladly give it away for free simply because they love doing it in the first place. Also with all the free time without having to work all day humanity could spend time focusing on the real aspects of reality and better the planet

I don't disagree about money causing jealousy.Are you suggesting we attempt to create a social structure that attempts to avoid creating negative emotions? I think it is the other way around. We need to develop our consciousness beyond jealousy rather than trying to create a sugar coated environment. I think we already have something like that, we call it political correctness.

[indigopete]

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Posted by indigopete (here)
The level of waste is astronomical due to misguided and misplaced resource allocation and arbitration over need now. IMO

In some area is it, in others it isn't.

The waste and destruction comes from the corrupt use of massively concentrated geopolitical power. This has nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of money and markets (which can similarly be corrupted of course).

As you've probably noticed, I don't subscribe to the idea that "money" in and of itself is a corrupting force. In many ways, it has in fact been a liberating force for humanity IMO. The problem is distinguishing between "base" money and the kind of scam credit money that's currently produced by the modern banking system. Base money has been kept out of the hands of citizens for the best part of 100 years now. Most people don't have much idea of the difference so they just go along with it and lump everything into the same 'corrupt' basket.

It's an easy cop out to blame the worlds ills on markets and money - but a cop out it is all the same. You only have to take a walk down to a major shipping port one day to see that. Millions of tons of basic life sustaining materials 'gifted' as you call it from areas of surplus to those of deficiency. I agree there is a huge amount of waste and corruption in the world, but it's not there for want of 'gifting', it's there because humanity has left its garden unattended and weeds have overtaken the place in the form of consolidated power blocks. It wouldn't have mattered what political, financial or resource distribution system was in place, it would have become just as corrupted.

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Pris]

Posted by indigopete (here)

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Michael Tellinger describes money (and all other forms like barter and trade) as a tool that has been used to enslave us. David Wilcock calls it 'Financial Tyranny'.

This is about the people who use this tool (and hierarchical/authoritarian structures) to control us/beat us down with lack and limitation. This is the reason why we have so much greed/crime/poverty/etc. If we eliminate this tool, we will no longer be oppressed.

I wholeheartedly subscribe to world where we freely contribute to one another and everything is shared. And, we become caretakers of each other and the planet.

[DeeMetrios]

to the original thread starter GuyFox & others .....
I think M.Tellinger has a role to play to help us into the new age ... "but not in the way he is doing it"
I went to his seminar in Sydney & was disappointed & constantly shaking my head at his presentation .
He was mostly ego out there & was jumping allover a huge variety of subjects .
He used mostly 95% of other peoples research & mentioned only a few of them ....... not good Michael .
He also glorified the remains in South Africa saying that it was a huge empire , when it could have been just a huge mining operation moving over a large area .
He needs to rethink his strategy or just quit !! as he was pathetic on stage .
I think he just trying to sell his books , "as he spruked them quite a few times" & then at the end glossed over his perfect world & solution to all problems , describing the UBUNTU movement & asking for support .
I believe this person should stick to just digging & uncovering old sites in South Africa & leave the deeper messages to others better qualified .
shame on you Michael , not mentioning Len Horowitz & barely rising above a whisper when you spoke of Tesla & Emoto & many others .
I also think it was very wrong of you to wait till more than halfway thru your presentation before mentioning Stitchin , who's work you borrowed to do about half your show .
As for your brief spiel about how we dont need money !! wow , im certain you lost even more credibility for your cause , if your only going to spend 10 mins on that section , do it better

[Mu2143]

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[river]

Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ?

[Pris]

Posted by river (here)
Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ?

Money does not give opportunity. Money takes away opportunity because it comes between you and what you need and want.

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

Lol, you can say that out loud!

[thunder24]

in the current situation money is needed... very few can own a computer, eat, work, play, live without it right now because of mindset and ignorance... so while it is available those that have SHOULD BE helping within their own communities , to give others WITHOUT a better standard of living... imo

[river]

Posted by river (here)
Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ?

Money does not give opportunity. Money takes away opportunity because it comes between you and what you need and want.

Disagree

There is nothing wrong with making money

The problem is when people want money at no cost , other than to Humanity


I like to imagine Canada as having the most million and Billionares in the world

And then again I would like all the world to be very , very wealthy and its people , , and as far away from politics as possible

[Pris]

Posted by river (here)

Posted by river (here)
Yet I find that money , gives the individual the opportunity to have their on future direction

True money and/or capitalism has its problems , no doubt

But money can give each of us our own future

Does anybody have a flying saucer for sale ?

Money does not give opportunity. Money takes away opportunity because it comes between you and what you need and want.

Disagree

There is nothing wrong with making money

The problem is when people want money at no cost , other than to Humanity


I like to imagine Canada as having the most million and Billionares in the world

And then again I would like all the world to be very , very wealthy and its people , , and as far away from politics as possible

Most people think like you do and that is no surprise -- when it comes to thinking there is nothing wrong with money. You can thank the system for all the brainwashing. Money was introduced (by a small group of controlling individuals) to be used as a tool that enslaves humanity -- without humanity realizing it.

I like to imagine Canada as having the most million and Billionares in the world

And then again I would like all the world to be very , very wealthy and its people , , and as far away from politics as possible

I have no idea what you are saying about Canada (unless you are talking about Cabal members?). Most of us here are pretty darn broke IMHO lol.

And, depending on how one defines 'wealth'... I myself do not care much for 'wealth' if we are talking about 'monetary wealth'.

I do agree with you about politics, however.

[apokalypse]

any Value Based Currency on the planet that we lived in is illusion...it's mind blowing how we human on planet put values into stuff like Gold or Diamond not for anything but currency or progression while it have some values for science.

I have these thought and talking to myself alot while travelling on public transport...We have been hearing Annunaki how they using gold or some other beings outer space using it for specific reason in term of science or technology. i was also wonder and so reasonate what Alex Collier is saying human on planet earth is only species using Money or Value Based.

only issue with Value Based Currency is the people who manage and how we managing it...looking at Government keep talking about the loses of money but nobody ask why? why we have a system that never gain anything but loses? Why we have to pay tax? ..ect...Wealth Distribution. Nothing will happen over night and we only take step by step, first thing is people need to raise consciousness the Truth on everything they know and working on Spirituality be who we really are.

[Oouthere]

Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by indigopete (here)

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Michael Tellinger describes money (and all other forms like barter and trade) as a tool that has been used to enslave us. David Wilcock calls it 'Financial Tyranny'.

This is about the people who use this tool (and hierarchical/authoritarian structures) to control us/beat us down with lack and limitation. This is the reason why we have so much greed/crime/poverty/etc. If we eliminate this tool, we will no longer be oppressed.

I wholeheartedly subscribe to world where we freely contribute to one another and everything is shared. And, we become caretakers of each other and the planet.

I completely agree, but it ain't happening. Nature produces numerous parasites including the human type. The Federal Reserve takes a few percentage points off the top and creates an impossible to repay scenario. The petroleum industry is forcing us to pay 275%(+) more than we did a decade ago when over-unity energy is available. IMO, these industries are the biggest parasites/welfare recipients of all.

People quit jobs as soon as free money is thrown their way. After Katrina hit, the fast food restaurants could not keep employees because the red cross gave about $300 to everyone effected by the storm. Numerous people quit when they got the $300 and had drugs in their hand. A good number of people are not going to work unless forced, and forced being the removal of welfare to a very uncomfortable level.

The system is not perfect, but now there are more people receiving from the government financial pot than work full time. But remember, the unemployment is much better than when when our current white house occupant took over...oh yeah, and there is no inflation.

[Pris]

Posted by Oouthere (here)

Posted by Pris (here)

Posted by indigopete (here)

By blaming it all on money we're just being lazy, hypocritical and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Michael Tellinger describes money (and all other forms like barter and trade) as a tool that has been used to enslave us. David Wilcock calls it 'Financial Tyranny'.

This is about the people who use this tool (and hierarchical/authoritarian structures) to control us/beat us down with lack and limitation. This is the reason why we have so much greed/crime/poverty/etc. If we eliminate this tool, we will no longer be oppressed.

I wholeheartedly subscribe to world where we freely contribute to one another and everything is shared. And, we become caretakers of each other and the planet.

I completely agree, but it ain't happening. Nature produces numerous parasites including the human type. The Federal Reserve takes a few percentage points off the top and creates an impossible to repay scenario. The petroleum industry is forcing us to pay 275%(+) more than we did a decade ago when over-unity energy is available. IMO, these industries are the biggest parasites/welfare recipients of all.

People quit jobs as soon as free money is thrown their way. After Katrina hit, the fast food restaurants could not keep employees because the red cross gave about $300 to everyone effected by the storm. Numerous people quit when they got the $300 and had drugs in their hand. A good number of people are not going to work unless forced, and forced being the removal of welfare to a very uncomfortable level.

The system is not perfect, but now there are more people receiving from the government financial pot than work full time. But remember, the unemployment is much better than when when our current white house occupant took over...oh yeah, and there is no inflation.

Yes, the system is broken. It always has been broken by its very nature. Expecting human beings to function healthfully in a sick, broken system is ludicrous. Of course people would quit their slave-jobs in a heartbeat if they could. This has nothing to do with not wanting to contribute or being lazy. The system itself kills the human spirit because it's all about lack and limitation.

A contributionist society supports and encourages human development in a world of abundance -- where every individual is equally important and appreciated and anything is possible.

If we suddenly had a world without money (all forms including barter and trade), there would be no shortage of volunteers/contributors who would want to share their skills and services to help their fellow man/woman, and to ensure all basic needs for everyone -- including themselves -- are met. We could essentially end poverty, suffering, and most crime overnight.

From there, the sky's the limit because there is no limit to what we can accomplish (spiritually, technologically) when we share everything (land, resources, everything) -- when everything is free and everything is of equal value (when there is no money, nothing has more 'value' than anything else) -- and we care for one another and the planet. We do not need government to take care of us -- we can take care of ourselves.

Obviously, we are not going to get there overnight. A big step in the right direction is awareness of the problems we face. More and more people are 'waking up' and this is very positive. You have to become aware of a problem first before you can do anything to fix it.

[Mike Gorman]

The whole debate around money is still very much founded in the paradigm into which it was conceived - what is needed is an entire paradigm shift, this is going to be the big step forward for humanity.
A solution cannot be found with the same level of thinking that created the problem. We have this here planet, and it has an abundance of resources...right? It is at this point that the perspective needs to shift
who says we need to have a monetary system to divide these resources - the huge resource is human intelligence and creativity, this is what converts the raw potentials of the earth into objects, machines, gadgets,
houses, aeroplanes, cars, starships e.t.c So in a pure sense we could still have all of these things - but without the concept of exchange. It will be a huge shift.

[Observer1964]

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[Observer1964]

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Published -9-11-2014 · Discover the Annunaki, at the Bosnian Pyramid Conference 2014 with Michael Tellinger. The Annunaki are the oldest civilisation on Earth. Michael Tellinger says they lived in South Africa more than 200,000 years ago, mining gold. They left more than 10 million circular stone structures and unexplained tools and artifacts that point to higher knowledge of advanced technology. Michael has made startling discoveries on the ancient Annunaki.

The Anunnaki (also transcribed as: Anunaki, Anunna, Anunnaku, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of deities in ancient Mesopotamian cultures (i.e. Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian, and Babylonian).

The Bosnian Pyramid is what Semir Osmanagich calls the Pyramid of the Moon, the world's largest—and oldest—step pyramid. Looming above the opposite side of town is the so-called Pyramid of the Sun, it dwarfs the Great Pyramids of Egypt. A third pyramid, he says, is in the nearby hills. As a group, Osmanagich says, these structures are part of "the greatest pyramid complex ever built on the face of the earth".

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