Haemorrhagic fever / Ebola outbreaks have been reported - accident, natural or bio-weapon?

[Bob]

Pointing out how they can do it, shows some light on it, so that it is not wild "fear porn" (which that argument apparently IS being used by the promulgators to take light OFF the nature of using a bioweapon as a control (and herd culling method).. We've pointed out the over-the-counter (practically) generic substances which are effective at 100% cure, not needing vaccination, and not needing exotic "strain specific" (non-mutated) monoclonal antibody treatments.. It's interesting seeing those observations being buried, why and who would want survival methods hidden from view... instead people being lead to alternate useless "treatments"... that could lead to more amplification... good questions to ask..

Posted by sheme (here)
I think they have already mutated this virus they await the moment for it's release, every thing is about timing. WE know they are not incompetent , and yet they behave like first year auxiliary staff- correction -the students would not be this stupid- they are just taking orders .

UPDATE - listening to the updates today by the CDC director, he said OK the agency made a mistake really, and is reviewing what has been told to people about safety and disease spread..

Logically, one helps people, by giving useful data, not bravado chest beating blaming everyone, force-pushing to be part of the "therefore herd" with the would-be alpha horn butting trying vying for a position..

Compassion, education, showing and pointing out where help can be given (and hopefully received), this concept of as a planet - "we are all in this together", and as a group, a global family, helping each other sort it out, is a good thing..

For CDC to hear the message is heartwarming.. Of course I wish it would have been done sooner, but maybe the machine works at the speed that those running the "governor" will allow it.

We'll try as a group to continue to move through the darkness, and try to hold the hands of those who fall (maybe with gloves or without ).

[Woody]

Hi guys,
Are there many children dying of Ebola? Or is it mainly adults?

Thanks,
Woody

[Bob]

Posted by Woody (here)
Hi guys,
Are there many children dying of Ebola? Or is it mainly adults?

Thanks,
Woody

Heya Woody - thanks for asking - without getting the statistics from all the governments reporting in the region of west Africa (Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone), generally it is known, whole families are being taken out. The ratio of children to adults normally in a healthy family could possibly be 2-6 more children than adults. The virus doesn't discriminate in it's lethality over adults or children. The younger age shown below in the Liberian health statistics reports show the mean ages currently affected. Early on I recall reading that younger females were mainly affected, possibly by them being primary care givers for the family.

The data below now shows as of 23 September, statistically males of a certain age group are the primary affected people.

The first index case was reported to be a child (December 2013) which was brought to a clinic which started the wildfire in west Africa.. It could also be assumed that children would be buried quietly, and not reported, so that possibly that practice could be a source of lower statistical numbers..

The big issues are people (in west Africa) are afraid to report (don't trust the doctors), for a couple reasons, one being forced to go to a clinic and die (they believe they will die if they go the clinics, cause no effective anti-virals are being used, just "supportive care", keeping liquids up, an fever down).. and they don't believe in western medicines. Both Sierra Leone and Liberia have been accused of deliberately UNDER-REPORTING infections and deaths. So the statistics could most likely be skewed.. Even highly modernized, Saudi Arabia with the Mers_nCov infections have actually been shown to under-report or NOT report infectious disease outbreaks... It seems to me trying to get reliable statistical data, children, verses adults would be difficult..

All Africa - a reporting source from Africa says this: (the report was from September 23rd

Monrovia — As Liberia and the international community continue to fight the deadly Ebola virus, latest analytical review of the Ebola virus disease by health authorities in the country suggests that more males have now contracted the deadly disease compared to females who initially topped the list.

Assistant Health Minister for curative and preventive services Tolbert Nyenswah told journalists Monday that the sudden twist in the infection per gender is being g medically investigated to establish why more males are being infected now than females, but so far 70% of the current Ebola infections are occurring in males while 30% occurs in females.

Giving an analysis of the disease by age, Minister Nyenswah told reporters at the regular press briefing of the Ministry of Information Cultural Affairs and Tourism on Monday that ages between 25-34 years are highly affected by Ebola followed by females 35-44 years proceeded by ages 45-54 years.

Said Minister Nyenswah: "The disease is less incident in children under five. Some children that are affected, but least affected are children under five and other least affected are aged above 65 years. So we have to concentrate ages between 25-35 to 44."

Explaining the prevalence of the disease among health care workers, Minister Nyenswah disclosed that nurses are the most affected while nurse aid who are otherwise known as unskilled health workers are the hardest hit. More cases are being reported in nurse aid workers as compared to physician assistants, doctors and other health care workers, the Minister said.

Continued Min. Nyenswah: "Some association that somebody was making in our analysis is that because these nurse aids are the people that the skilled people can tell go and get the patient in, carry the patient in the bed. At the hospital and another level these are the people that they use so we have to do more analysis why this group is mostly affected."

Pointing to the epidemiological map of Montserrado County, Minister Nyenswah revealed that the Ebola virus infection is now highly concentrated in Caldwell, New Kru Town, New Georgia, Logan Town and West Point. He said the newly open island clinic will help reduce cases in the listed communities and carry on social mobilization and case findings in the respective communities.

If the reader may recall, beligerant people saying "EBOLA DOES NOT EXIST" broke into a clinic in Monrovia, stealing hospital supplies, contaminated bedding and so forth, bringing that into the West Point district. We had pictures in the post earlier on in this thread, showing the level of close proximity in living conditions, and sanitation issues).. As noted above in the report from the Ministry, WEST POINT now is one of the highly concentrated areas for the Ebola infection. So, hmm, about that lack of education.. Seems that the spreading "fear porn" being spewed around to specifically ignore Ebola, or downplay hemorrhagic fevers only contributes to the spread more so.. It seems that the ministries are starting to connect those dots.

[Woody]

Thanks Bob,
I was just wondering if childrens immune systems were able to fight off the Ebola better than the older population, due to our immune system being battered by chemtrails and pollution etc for many years.

Regards,
Woody

[sheme]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ted-cases.html

Another snippet of information about our plans to fight Ebola.

[Bob]

Posted by sheme (here)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ted-cases.html

Another snippet of information about our plans to fight Ebola.

Seeing UK paying attention and now going at least to bio-containment level 3 safety is a LOT BETTER - the public can be made aware, and all responders and care givers, the personnel that would be coming into potential contact should be given proper training; with emphasis on some key factors such as showing a proficiency and a demonstrated ability to follow needed safety steps, and have the proper equipment and know how to use it.

CDC lab people IN HOUSE use level 4 containment. Why should that be downplayed?

This post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post886843 shows, from CDC training, what level 1- level 4 facilities are, and a very brief explanation of how to relate to the level of pathogen danger, and why such pathogens are only dealt with safely in the different graded facilities.

A level 4 classed biosafety facility IS EXPENSIVE, more so than using some gloves and a set of goggles and an outer garment and a low grade mask; and a question - should the safety of people be skimped on ? As it appears there is a lot of data surfacing that the key bio-agency labs have access to and probably have stockpiled excellent treatment methods, have understood and applied adequate security and safety protocols for dealing with pathogens; for this viral ebola-zaire (modified strain) infection as well as MANY OTHERS; and that these groups have methods to protect the troops, at least protection exists at least, for a particular strain...If that conjecture is to be taken at face value, then is it a simple question to ask why are the People not being told the full story, not given access to successful treatment methods, and have to go searching to learn about infections such as the hemorrhagic fevers, how to deal with them, how to care for, how to prevent another infection? Shouldn't folks who specialize in health care, practice the best stewardship? This level of understanding is not achieved in a First Aid class, neither the basic nor advanced.

Some references to earlier posts in this thread - on Liberia patients, images of deaths, etc.
http://rt.com/files/news/2d/15/40/00/eboebo-1.jpg

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post870324

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post868865

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post869596

and

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post866786

There are numerous useful posts for reference within this thread detailing background, cases, incidents, outbreak locations and some statistics; the above will help the reader by providing some useful key datum, and offer as well, a few points to be reiterated.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/...rld-topstories

"Ebola patient in Liberia escapes and chased through market.." the video on the page shows some of the dynamic happening, how the patient was rounded up apparently refusing to go back.

[Bob]

CDC Director now says, they are apologizing to the nurse in Dallas, that their procedures, or how they are being carried out, have not been "optimum" for the conditions at hand. That the nurse had been following instructions and IS and has been highly professional, and that possibly the equipment is inadequate of dealing with this virus.

(multiple sources and live newsconference)

Update - Frieden reminds people, well, that being the case, it is possible now that others are infected, and they are trying to determine who that may be. (assumption is it is others who have used similar "PPE's" (personal protection equipments) in the hospital arena or "theatre". Theatre is used typically to define a battle-ground, where staging is conducted formally in conducting a "war". Depending on the nature of the infection(s), it could rapidly be controlled, or it could be spread, the data is insufficient at this time..)

[Bob]

About that warm and fuzzy taking of temperature to see if Ebola might be there (screenings, airports..)

The New England Journal of Medicine, analyzed data on 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola. (prior to the bump over 4030 confirmed deaths)

Observation, statistically that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — however, 12.9% did not. That being the case, about 13% could escape screening by temperature.

Dr. Paul D. Stolley, former chairman of the University of Maryland's Department of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine, said the matter of Ebola infections could not have a fever and be presenting, "requires further investigation."

(multiple sources reporting - NEJM references : http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1411100 )

UPDATE: just for a simple experiment if anybody has an optical thermometer able to accurately search and display temperature at-a-distance like from 1-5 feet away, maybe try taking your temperature - when I tried doing it where shown in the various screening pictures seen with airport screeners, mine reads between 3 and 4 degrees LOW.. A fever then being looked for in the critical "screening area temperature range" would read just under the warning level.. hmmm

[Matisse]

Posted by Bob (here)
CDC Director now says, they are apologizing to the nurse in Dallas, that their procedures, or how they are being carried out, have not been "optimum" for the conditions at hand. That the nurse had been following instructions and IS and has been highly professional, and that possibly the equipment is inadequate of dealing with this virus.

(multiple sources and live newsconference)

Update - Frieden reminds people, well, that being the case, it is possible now that others are infected, and they are trying to determine who that may be. (assumption is it is others who have used similar "PPE's" (personal protection equipments) in the hospital arena or "theatre". Theatre is used typically to define a battle-ground, where staging is conducted formally in conducting a "war". Depending on the nature of the infection(s), it could rapidly be controlled, or it could be spread, the data is insufficient at this time..)

Yes, I think it is necessary to remember that these are hospitals not bio-labs, they don't have at all the same working conditions, equipment nor infrastructures as a laboratory. The government her in Spain at one point was trying to blame the nurse for being infected so the blame wouldn't fall on them. The medical workers deserve the utmost respect, they are on the front line working with what they have under very abnormal circumstances. Look how many medical staff has been infected in Africa, I think close to 600 out of the 8,000 cases.

[Bob]

Looks like the Dallas officials won't kill RN's Nina Pham's dog even though she is diagnosed with Ebola..

DALLAS (AP) — Officials say a year-old King Charles Spaniel has been taken from the Dallas apartment of an Ebola-infected nurse and will be cared for at an undisclosed location.

Nurse Nina Pham's apartment is being thoroughly cleaned after tests over the weekend confirmed she is infected.

Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said Monday evening that the dog would be cared for in "undisclosed location in a humane, caring way." City spokeswoman Sana Syed says the dog named Bentley will be comfortable and have toys to play with while he is monitored away from people.

Example of King Charles Spaniel puppy

There is a concern that canines can harbour the Ebola virus and not present symptoms.

Meanwhile a Kansas hospital is currently isolating a possible Ebola Patient.. (CNN live update)

[Bob]

It was mentioned that a PERSON with ebola, was transferred to Germany for treatment - he died

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/15/wo...ital.html?_r=0

BERLIN — A 56-year-old man who had been working with the United Nations in Liberia died overnight at the hospital in Leipzig where he was being treated for Ebola, the hospital said Tuesday in a statement quoted by the German news media.

The brief statement gave no further details. The man was the third patient to arrive in Germany in recent weeks for treatment of Ebola, and the first to die.

There are two others, a Senegalese man working for WHO was treated in August (quietly), and then released..in OCTOBER.

Another is an Ugandan doctor working for an Italian Aid Agency, who continues to remain in the hospital.

The dead man arrival last Thursday in a statement issued by the hospital. At the time, doctors said his condition was critical, but stable, and there were no further updates on his status.

The hospital is the St. Georg clinic of Leipzig.

[Bob]

Dr. Brantly, keeps on giving..

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10...-tcu-grad.html

Dr. Kent Brantly, one who survived the virus possibly with the help of a transfusion himself early on plus zMapp, a spokeswoman at the Samaritan’s Purse charity said on Tuesday, that he gave blood for a serum for RN Nancy Pham who was infected by "equipment malfunction", or "improper equipment use", or (?) while working on the now deceased Thomas Duncan.

Medical records show that some 70 staff members at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, including Pham, were involved in the care of Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan before his death last week, The Associated Press reported Monday.

The employees, including Pham, drew Duncan’s blood, put tubes down his throat and wiped up his diarrhea. They analyzed his urine and wiped saliva from his lips, even after he had lost consciousness.

The size of the medical team reflects the hospital’s intense effort to save Duncan’s life and also suggests that many other people could have been exposed to the virus. The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the agency must broaden the pool of people being monitored.

[Bob]

Dr Frieden is giving another press conference saying all they need to do is learn to take the equipment off properly, put it on properly..

HE CONTINUES to neglect what his lab people do in the Class IV bio-containment facilities.. SHOWER IN THE DISINFECTANT BEFORE, SHOWER AFTERWARDS in a safe containment isolation room..

Don't do that, and the infection is transferred OUTSIDE the patient room to some other location...

Common sense Dr. please? Remind people about how to disinfect properly?

Why aren't staff using the proper biocontaiment suit by the way?

Downplaying safety certainly, and not telling the whole story about how to use the RIGHT equipment, is not optimum stewardship..

the above is what your labs use for Ebola, why not nurses and doctors, and others who work with patients in hot-zone isolation?

(source - live news conference)

also

see http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/1...should-resign/

Dr. Manny is livid.. and i mean really upset about what he is hearing

Right now, I’m not as afraid of Ebola as I am of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The agency held a press conference Monday to provide an update on the transmission of Ebola to a nurse that cared for Thomas Eric Duncan.

After listening to this update, I have to say, I am more convinced than ever that CDC director, Dr. Tom Frieden is not the right person for the job. And I say this because this latest press conference consisted of him telling a room of reporters what anyone who has ever dealt with Ebola in the past should have known.

see that article for details..

[Bob]

In a major clampdown (apparent), the editors on MSM have been now told, PLAY IT DOWN, bring in the psychiatrists to (watch the hand waving...) "calm everyone down.." - and did so RIGHT while Frieden was talking - now he definitely is like watching paint dry, unless that paint is the crinkly style which is much more entertaining... the point being when some of the MSM reporters exhibited HUMANITY, apparently their teleprompters were switched to new COPY..

What is being hidden, that at the outset to bring Dr. Brantly in to much concern of many people, to Emory University next to CDC HQ and put into extreme isolation, treated as a real hotzone patient IN the hospital (but not during transport, which was pointed out).... that these other hospitals are not a proper class 4 bioweapons capable facility.. They are a modern version of what is happening in some of the field hospitals, as far as their "containment" gear.. they may have some fancy heart monitors, breathing units, dialysis units, but they are NOT EMORY, they are not where the first patient was brought...

IF they weren't concerned Dr. Brantly would have gone to one of the general hospitals, and treated..

INSTEAD they did what they thought was right, get him right next to CDC where his samples could rapidly be gotten to CDC labs for analysis.. AND put him in a good isolation unit, designed to TREAT SPECIFICALLY CDC personnel infected abroad.. IT was not designed for treating patients such as GENERAL PUBLIC...

WHAT we have here is a general public hospital being put into a situation where class 4 severity pathogens have to be handled.

Those are the dots being missed... how can anyone forget so quickly when Dr. Brantly was transported in?

HOW can anyone think that a Dallas hospital is anywhere up to speed, or is setup as Emory?

Emory was designed as 1 of a handful of special facilities to deal with class 4 pathogens..

(rocket science again, hmm... or?)

Lets back the clock up a few pages back to here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post860256

That shows a proper isolation unit. If the hospitals don't have that they are "winging it", flying on a prayer that they won't mess up and infect another patient, or nurse or doctor, or God forbid, get a release into the environment and the People.

[Agape]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tech...s-there-first/

In tech to make Ebola vaccine, Israeli firm was there first



Tobacco plants may be key to treating the dread disease – and Israel’s CollPlant knows more about ‘tobacco treatments’ than anyone

Scientists around the world scrambling to find a treatment for Ebola are looking to the tobacco plant for assistance, as a vehicle to synthesize antibodies for a vaccine. And that means they are likely to be looking towards Israel’s CollPlant, a company that is a pioneer in the development of recombinant proteins using tobacco plants.

While CollPlant is not involved with the development of Zmapp, the tobacco-synthesized “cocktail” being developed by several American companies that, so far, is the only Ebola treatment on the horizon, the Israeli company knows a great deal about large-scale production of human cells in tobacco plants, said Prof. Oded Shoseyov, founder and chief scientific officer of CollPlant. “We were the first company in the world to use tobacco plants to do large-scale manufacturing of human proteins, and to receive EU permission to market tobacco-synthesized human elements,” he told The Times of Israel in an interview.

Zmapp, according to its inventors, San Diego-based Leaf Bio and Mapp Biopharmaceutical, with assistance from Defyrus Inc. of Toronto, the US government and the Public Health Agency of Canada, “is composed of three humanized monoclonal antibodies manufactured in plants, specifically Nicotiana. It is an optimized cocktail combining the best components of” three antibodies. The antibodies bind to proteins on the Ebola virus, which triggers the immune system and destroys the germ.

Zmapp, according to its makers, was first identified as a possible treatment last January. It has since been used on several Ebola victims in Liberia, with mixed results. It has been administered to about half a dozen patients, with most surviving. Although tests on animals have shown positive results, Zmapp has not been tested clinically on humans.

Nevertheless, Zmapp is the world’s best bet for an Ebola treatment, at least right now. The problem is, there are not enough doses to conduct clinical trials – or to treat patients, for that matter. Production is being handled by a company called Kentucky Bioprocessing (KBP), which has been using tobacco plants to synthesize Zmapp. Tobacco plants are injected with Ebola virus and fused with genes for a natural tobacco virus. The plant then responds, producing antibodies to fight the virus. The antibodies are extracted and injected in Ebola victims, hopefully curing them.

It was CollPlant that pioneered the mass production of human materials in tobacco plants. “We didn’t invent the method, but we have taken it farther than anyone else,” said Shoseyov. Using nanotechnology, CollPlant produces human collagen from tobacco plants, a far better way to produce an element essential to repairing bones and joints than the alternatives – using materials extracted from cows and pigs to produce artificial collagen.



Collagen is a key component of the body, playing a major role in connective tissue and used by the body to repair broken bones and joints. When a splint is applied to a broken bone and the two separated parts of the bone are joined, the body will usually produce enough collagen to complete the repair process. However, if part of the bone is missing, the body will be unable to replace or repair it. In those cases, artificial collagen can be applied to the break, with a scaffold holding the elements in place, allowing the body to use the inserted collagen to make the repair.

Artificial collagen made from pigs and cows is common but not ideal. An alternative is harvesting of human collagen from corpses. Human collagen from the dead is more effective for the body, but collagen can be harvested only from donors, so supplies are limited.

CollPlant’s solution allows the production of real human collagen – producing material that can be most efficiently used by the human body – without the need to rely on the dead. CollPlant’s technology inserts human collagen into tobacco plants that are raised in hothouses, ensuring that they remain isolated from the food chain. The bio-engineered plants mimic the natural synthesis of authentic human protein and produces Procollagen, the natural precursor of collagen. The Procollagen collected from the plants and is processed into CollPlant’s artificial collagen product.

“Tobacco has a big biomass, and it grows quickly; you can grow a six-foot-tall plant in under two months,” said CollPlant CEO Yehiel Tal. “The production process is easy to control using our technology. We know how much collagen there is in the leaves produced by the plants, and can regulate its strength. And tobacco leaves are big, so they hold lots of collagen.”

CollPlant, which has been in business for about six years, is also the most experienced company in the world at producing large amounts of complex human materials in tobacco plants, said Shoseyov. “There are several companies, for example, developing ways to produce insulin in tobacco plants, but insulin is just a single protein. Collagen is much more complicated. To produce it you have to synthesize five human genes, a very difficult feat. I don’t know of any other company that can do this.”

As such, CollPlant is ready and able to help out the makers of Zmapp, or anyone else, who might seek assistance in the production process. Not that they need any help, said Shoseyov. “We know them very well, and they know what they are doing. We have been in touch with them on a regular basis; the community of researchers doing work in this area is very small.”

CollPlant’s experience in this area is likely to become an important resource in many areas of medical treatment. Production of collagen, antibodies, proteins, and other human material via plants – especially tobacco plants – is the wave of the future, said Shoseyov.

“The investment numbers make so much more sense, both in development – the ‘upstream’ – and testing and production – the ‘downstream,’” he said. “Currently, manufacturers have to set up clean rooms with all sorts of gear and equipment, at a cost of as much as $100 million, in order to develop new cures. In addition, these facilities require all sorts of government licenses and authorizations, so the process between the beginning of research and production could take as long as five years. Setting up a greenhouse for experimental medicine costs about a half million dollars, and requires a lot less government oversight,” he said.

“In addition, researchers working on a treatment don’t have to be as careful with procedures to prevent germs and viruses from spreading – because plants do not harbor human pathogens. The research process can be relaxed, with researchers putting more of their attention into solving problems. More researchers and companies are looking at these methods to develop treatments of all kinds, and that, I believe, will benefit everyone,” Shoseyov added.

If there was one piece of advice Shoseyov has for the Zmapp makers, it’s this: “Just do it. The methods of production are as simple as raising tomatoes and lettuce – and the world is waiting for this.”



This sounds bit weird however .. hope they'll meet success . Tobacco plant used to develop anti-bodies against Ebola . Wow.

[Matisse]

I think that something that hasn't been discussed much is the begining of this outbreak, which seems to have occured in a village named Meliandou, Guinea, last december. There have been a few dozen outbreaks of ebola since the 70's but this is the first one that has occured outside the Congo river basin, (some 2000 miles, 3200 km. away) and also the first one not to be contained (either through burnout or medical isolation). So it seems we are on virgin territory in that respect. Also from what I understand the more people infected the more chance of mutation. So what are your guys thoughts?

[Matisse]

A second health worker in the US state of Texas has tested positive for Ebola, health officials say.

Both health workers treated Liberian man Thomas Duncan, who died last week after becoming the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the US.

[Roisin]

Posted by Matisse (here)
A second health worker in the US state of Texas has tested positive for Ebola, health officials say.

Both health workers treated Liberian man Thomas Duncan, who died last week after becoming the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the US.

There was a lead up to this because the CDC already hinted soon after the first Dallas health worker tested positive for Ebola that there will be others at the hospital who will be testing positive for that virus too.

Yesterday we started seeing some news articles about how sloppy the conditions were at that hospital as reported by a nurses union that claims to have interviewed personnel who cared for Duncan.

That story may be true but unions are not exactly the best source to go to for information of that sort because they are notorious for slanting and exaggerating facts on behalf of the union and those they represent to get what they want.

But I'm guessing those reports on that union information was let loose to the media, with the CDC's blessings because it supports their statements about how the first nurse caught ebola... that "breaching protocol" thing..

The CDC already knew that a second nurse was infected too hence why that union information was released to the media yesterday to prepare the public for yet another case of ebola of another nurse at that hospital that was finally reported today.

Ok, so what does all of this mean? Well, if this had happened a few days ago, I would have said that it's all about our gov't's ongoing concern about causing public panic when releasing new negative updates about this outbreak. Sort of like how our gov't's have been denying the existence of UFOs, for example, because of their concern that once the public finds out that UFOs are real, all hell will break loose.

But just like it is with the UFO cover-up, we know that their reasons for doing that are much more sinister and in reality have nothing at all to do with the public's well-being. lol

So it's the same situation here with this Ebola epidemic and those cases that are popping up in the States and elsewhere outside of W.Africa. Disinformation by the CDC is not about preventing public panic and more about something that has nothing to do with our protection and well being and everything to do with their own sinister agenda's where the meme's that pop up on that one are NWO, population control, military manufacturing of weaponized lethal virus's, implementation of a forced Ebola vaccination program etc.....

PS -- not saying anything new here. Just talking to myself to help me process everything as each new thing comes up wrt this epidemic.

[Bob]

26-year-old nurse Amber Vinson, another Nurse was isolated Tuesday after she developed a slight fever, but she’d flown to Dallas from Cleveland the day before her temperature rose.

So of course, Federal officials are tracking down people who were on the same flight she took.

Frontier Flight 1143

Amber exhibited no signs or symptoms of illness while on flight 1143, according to the crew.

Frontier is working closely with CDC to identify and notify passengers who may have traveled on flight 1143 on Oct. 13.

"oops?"

[Bob]

Why would CDC notify passengers?

CDC and their talking heads have repeatedly said, close contact needing bodily fluids to catch it..

Common really, "it's not catchable while flying", specifically the other day CDC officials saying they would gladly fly on a plane next to a passenger with Ebola..

Then out come the official scripts that are on the teleprompters that the anchors need to repeat, and convince the audience, "no outbreak in America.." Then come the psychiatrists, trained doctors to convince and be assuring, "stay calm..."

132 passengers flew with Amber on Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 on Monday evening, which landed in Dallas at 8:16 p.m.

And the attendants said she was not exhibiting symptoms. And they are now qualified trained first responders we are to believe.. And having a glass of water, taken by hand, by the steward or stewardess, would of course not have any residual bodily fluids from the nurse, and of course the next passenger asking for a refill would have no contact with the steward or stewardess - they use gloves changed between each passenger, handling the cups, the stuff from the galley - oh oops, that doesn't happen, there is no isolation from passenger to cabin crew when serving.. Everything is freely transferred person to cabin crew to person.. Cough near air intakes? Pee in the loo? Someone re-use the loo?

A few questions to ask and not gloss over, right? The "strategy" is to bring up some distraction, such as let's all go talk about the statistics of Ebola in 2003 and use that data to explain mutated strains how they are going to perform, let's ignore the statistic that 13% of the people with active Ebola have not presented obvious symptoms such as elevated temperature.. Lets ignore the word "mostly" from some talking head medicos saying "Ebola has not mutated (very much) since it appeared". One mutation could be enough to change it substantially. There are over 300 reported as of a couple months ago, possibly thousands by now.. By the end of the year, African mutations could be upped further.. With a projection being reported of 10,000 new cases every other week, possibly 10,000 per week, statistically that could allow for many thousands of mutations.. The virus changes its genetics slightly, so that the fittest virus that destroys what is killing the virus is able to replicate - that is what survival mutation does.. Some mutations could make the virus less able, or distort its shape.. That is what mutation is about.. The mutations to be alert about are those which change if it triggers elevated temperature or not, or if it can hide longer without being noticed, and if it can "bud silently" and spread, and then go full blown to attack the host, in other words, latent dormancy..

Not airborne, no contact from cabin crew during galley services, or no going to the loo - no worry, CDC has assured us they have it all under control, no touched the seat back cushions while getting into that nice tight seat.. yup, nothing to see here, move along..