Haemorrhagic fever / Ebola outbreaks have been reported - accident, natural or bio-weapon?

[sheme]

WHO predict 10,000 cases a week before Christmas.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-30666334.html


http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-30665490.html

[Bob]

So 70 or so health care staff at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital were in the Ebola loop, those taking care of Thomas Duncan who died, most likely because the hospital first either mis-diagnosed, or sent him home knowing he had a potential for spreading.. Only a relative insisting to the health services that Mr. Duncan was ill, and had come back from West Africa did anyone pay attention, in public.. While quiet, nothing was happening.

I have seen this behaviour exactly, first hand with my own experience dealing with coming back with Mers_nCov, with a relative dying because of the hospital and attending doctor "team" behavior..

I saw good compassionate sympathy with NURSES, but they are forced to take ORDERS by those in authority. THAT is the key item.. They have the floor doctor responsible, the floor supervisor - both follow the protocols established by the hospital corporation within they work. Violate management and they are cited.

So of course one could ask the obvious? HOW COME THE TEAM IS ALLOWED TO FREELY TRAVEL AROUND THE COUNTRY - especially since the authorities KNOW they had a "error in protocol" to use their words?

STOP the travel already with the staff that used the defective equipment, or had cross contaminated something, or themselves..

[Bob]

Village Bend East apartments where Amber (the second nurse from the hospital's qualified emergency "isolation critical care team") floor and residence was being sprayed, "disinfected".. early this morning. Nurse Amber Joy Vinson, 29, reported a fever on Tuesday, so after about 90 minutes she was then back at the hospital now herself in "isolation"..

The airline has put out a statement:
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...s-flight.html/

Frontier Airlines Statement

“At approximately 1:00 a.m. MT on October 15, Frontier was notified by the CDC that a customer traveling on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on Oct. 13 has since tested positive for the Ebola virus. The flight landed in Dallas/Fort Worth at 8:16 p.m. local and remained overnight at the airport having completed its flying for the day at which point the aircraft received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines prior to returning to service the next day. It was also cleaned again in Cleveland last night. Previously the customer had traveled from Dallas Fort Worth to Cleveland on Frontier flight 1142 on October 10.

Customer exhibited no symptoms or sign of illness while on flight 1143, according to the crew. Frontier responded immediately upon notification from the CDC by removing the aircraft from service and is working closely with CDC to identify and contact customers who may traveled on flight 1143.

Customers who may have traveled on either flight should contact CDC at 1 800 CDC-INFO.

The safety and security of our customers and employees is our primary concern. Frontier will continue to work closely with CDC and other governmental agencies to ensure proper protocols and procedures are being followed.”

(see the previous page in this thread for context)

132 passengers flew with Amber on Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 on Monday evening, which landed in Dallas at 8:16 p.m.

And the attendants said she was not exhibiting symptoms.

And they are now qualified trained first responders we are to believe..

And having a glass of water, taken by hand, by the steward or stewardess, (cabin Crew) would of course not have any residual bodily fluids from the nurse, and of course the next passenger asking for a refill would have no contact with the steward or stewardess - they use gloves changed between each passenger, handling the cups, the stuff from the galley - oh oops, that doesn't happen, there is no isolation from passenger to cabin crew when serving.. Everything is freely transferred person to cabin crew to person.. Cough near air intakes? Pee in the loo? Someone re-use the loo?

A few questions to ask and not gloss over, right?

The "strategy" is to bring up some distraction, such as let's all go talk about the statistics of Ebola in 2003 and use that data to explain mutated strains how they are going to perform,
let's ignore the statistic that 13% of the people with active Ebola have not presented obvious symptoms such as elevated temperature..

(Then "they" look for any possible distraction to "change the topic".. and play that up..)

Lets ignore the word "mostly" from some talking head medicos saying "Ebola has not mutated (very much) since it appeared". One mutation could be enough to change it substantially. There are over 300 reported as of a couple months ago, possibly thousands by now.. By the end of the year, African mutations could be upped further..

[Roisin]

Uh, so Amber flew from Cleveland to Dallas? What the heck was she doing in Cleveland? And specifically, where was she in Cleveland? Now this narrative is getting a little too close to home. yikes!

Hmmm, wondering now about who was at Cleve. Hopkins when she was there... I live right near there btw. 10 min. away to be specific.

[Bob]

Posted by Roisin (here)
Uh, so Amber flew from Cleveland to Dallas? What the heck was she doing in Cleveland? And specifically, where was she in Cleveland? Now this narrative is getting a little too close to home. yikes!

Hmmm, wondering now about who was at Cleve. Hopkins when she was there... I live right near there btw. 10 min. away to be specific.

WHY indeed are the 70 team members allowed to travel? Who is dropping the ball, (or rolling it?)

[Meggings]

DO NOT PANIC nor feel FEAR.

[Roisin]

Good question! Amazing isn't it? This is very unsettling.

Posted by Bob (here)

Posted by Roisin (here)
Uh, so Amber flew from Cleveland to Dallas? What the heck was she doing in Cleveland? And specifically, where was she in Cleveland? Now this narrative is getting a little too close to home. yikes!

Hmmm, wondering now about who was at Cleve. Hopkins when she was there... I live right near there btw. 10 min. away to be specific.

WHY indeed are the 70 team members allowed to travel? Who is dropping the ball, (or rolling it?)

[Sidney]

Just for a thought process, a person drinks from a glass of water, and their mouth touches the glass. Saliva will be on the glass, at minimum a microscopic amount, which could absolutely contain enough germ to transfer onto the hand that takes the glass back as in a stewardess/server. This is assuming still, that the virus is not airborne.
If the virus has mutated into an airborne pathogen, we can assume that information will be kept quiet. But for argument sake, we can say the virus is not airborne, they are certainly downplaying the risk of the other people on that flight.

IMO, you have to be crazy to fly during this time. I know, many people don't have a choice professionally. And if ebola is running rampant in africa as they say it is, allowing air travel from Africa to ANYWHERE, is IMO a deliberate move to create a planet wide spread of the disease. No question.

My gut tells me, however, that the numbers spewed through mainstream are going to be very corrupted.

[Jean-Luc]

Interesting take on this article today by Richard Evans on Henry Makow's website

Ebola Pandemic Smells Like a Hoax

The Ebola Epidemic is a hoax on the scale of 9-11 and Sandy Hook. The purpose is to frighten the masses into accepting martial law measures and to send troops to occupy West Africa. It's not Ebola that will get you. It's the vaccines.

http://www.henrymakow.com/#sthash.iRD2pUQD.dpuf

This video referred to in the article is worth a watch, especially from 4:50, with CNN & NYT's use of actors in Africa to "illustrate" the crisis.

http://youtu.be/1ZonCVRQ-2s?t=4m49s

However, AFRICOM is real. Obama is actually President of the United States, and those weren't 4000 GI JOE dolls he's been deploying to West Africa.

Something is killing people in isolated villages in Liberia, Sierra Leon, Ivory Coast, and Nigeria.

The photographic evidence we've been shown is FAKE.

That means we're not being show what's really been going down over there.

[Roisin]

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson to address news of Ebola patient at Cleveland Hopkins Airport (LIVE COVERAGE)
http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/in...ackson_39.html

LEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson and other city officials will hold a news conference this afternoon to address the revelation that a Texas woman with Ebola passed through Cleveland Hopkins International Airport two days ago en route to Dallas.

The woman, a healthcare worker, may have been contagious at the time, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the airline. The CDC is now working to notify the 132 passengers on the flight -- Flight 1143.

The woman was visiting family in Akron from Oct. 8 to Oct. 13, according to the Ohio Department of Health.

Tune in to the comments section below beginning at 2 p.m. for live coverage of this event. You can also watch live streaming video courtesy WKYC.com below.

My comment: Whoever picked her up from Hopkins, they could have stopped at a McDonald's or a Drug store somewhere near my neighborhood before hopping on the highway to Akron. Same goes when they drove back to Hopkins for her to fly back to Dallas when, by then, she was suffering from a low grade fever.

[Bob]

more technical data.. in simple english

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...rticlekey=6527

(An Example of an) "Epidemic" hemorrhagic fever: A syndrome caused by a hantavirus which is transmitted to humans by contact with infected rodents urine or feces. Patients typically develop a high fever, cough, shortness of breath and abdominal or back pain and may go on to develop kidney failure, which is usually temporary.

Many arboviruses (including those in the families Togaviridae, Flaviviridae, Filoviridae, and Bunyaviridae) and the Hantaviruses, spread by rodents or biting insects, can cause epidemic hemorrhagic fever. The Ebola virus is a notorious cause of epidemic hemorrhagic fever.

Bioterrorism -- There has been concern about the hemorrhagic fever as a possible weapon for bioterrorism.

However, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of the US Congress, in a 1999 report considered hemorrhagic fever to be an "unlikely" biologic threat for terrorism, because these viruses are very difficult to obtain and process, unsafe to handle, and relatively unstable.

The lethal effects of these viruses were deemed by the GAO to depend on the strain but can be "very high."

Derailing aside, the point being made was WHY ARE THE STAFF from the DALLAS HOSPITAL in the isolation unit, the 70, being allowed to FLY..

Appreciate the conspiracy stuff, but let's stay focused on how to deal with infection control, and travel restrictions to prevent infection spread..

THIS data was derived from a RECENT WEBPAGE (10/30/2013) put out by an authority where people would go to get information.. Getting information from a 1999 report, is OLD DATA, not up to date, but notice how old data is used... not current data, but used to say nothing to see here.. that is an example how "incorrect invalid data (because it does not take into account current data that invalidates old data), stale data" in other words is USED.. to divert attention from the moment.. another method used is to cite something totally irrelevant and use that as a justification to "viewer audience drive" in a direction.. MSM uses that all the time.

AND CDC and NIH are using old data examples while doing different things for their own people.

Case in point - EMORY UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL ISOLATION UNIT - was created for CDC personnel who come back infected from overseas (or where-ever they may become infected).. If they were not concerned about infections, there would NOT BE an EMORY class 4 biocontainment HOSPITAL.. IT's not a LAB - its a HOSPITAL ISOLATION UNIT setup to deal with what CDC calls a class-4 bioweaponizable pathogen..

Simple logic, not a pHd to understand, - why have class 4 hospitals (only a handful in the US), when they are so expensive and cost cutting would shut such facilities down.. BUT they are there and being used.. IF there is no reason for it, they would not waste the money, they would pocket it.. simple logic..

Reference about "presenting", verses NO-FEVER noted - one can present in other ways..

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post887869

2-10 virus particles are required typically, if the eye is wiped for instance and the virus enters the eye. That is known data by the health agencies. As a member points out, totally discounting ANY airborne, but going with the medical drum beat, "it must be close direct contact with saliva", show me how one is going to typically or normally drink out of a cup without putting your lips (or hold) - on such.. there is enough data to show cross-contamination happens. Gloves are not used between the cabin crew and the passengers requesting a refill. Anybody wipe their mouth, with their hand, rub their own eyes or face after a flight? During the flight?

DIVERSION - change the subject say, WATCH MY LIPS, nothing to see here, don't cry wolf was the last comment made, in a very soft voice, and clearly one could see the anchor reading the teleprompter --- it looked VERY obvious as it was emphasised the teleprompter was being read.

None of the anchors are pointing out any of those data. For an obvious reason, to stop getting people aware, because it is going to COST MONEY.. A mainstream LIVE news anchor basically was saying read my lips, such concerns are damaging the STOCK MARKET.. think about that $$$ is the issue... a reason why proper sanitary procedures are not used ??? cause it costs a few cents more that is NOT going into some pocket?

One of the reporters just pointed out SHE (Amber, this second nurse) FLEW, KNOWING SHE HAD A LOW grade fever as well, not the EBOLA threshold they have arbitrarily set... she was presenting, but not according to the arbitrary threshold set by the agencies.

THINK about that.. that magic threshold, she was using CDC recommended temperature numbers and no doubt said, heck, why be concerned. HIGHER fever is the indicator.. hmmm

[sheme]

We shall soon see if the apparent new mortality rate is accurate -70% mortality is a big jump in numbers. On the news this am it described the abandonment of many of Africa's Ebola orphans.

I pray for peace for the People. The defeat of the virus and those that betray humanity.

[avid]

http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/...hp?f=5&t=12643
This forum epitomises the lack of knowledge and preparedness that the poor folk dealing with this tragedy were faced with - did they even know how to decontaminate themselves safely?
I suspect there is a 'deliberateness' in this, to promote fear and panic, and to promote unwarranted vaccinations, but there is definitely a control mechanism in place. It would seem that perhaps any potentially contaminated persons are involved, may be have been given 'something' - vaccination or subcutaneous 'whatever', or none - but now they are getting ill....
This is why the folk in Africa ran when the WHO came, as they knew they would be made ill, and not being effected any cures.

[Bob]

Nurse Amber is going to Emory -

DALLAS - A 26-year-old nurse identified as the second Texas hospital worker to test positive for Ebola is "ill but clinically stable" and will be transferred late Wednesday to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, the Centers for Disease Control..

(numerous sources)


CDC now realizing maybe Dallas isn't the smartest place to house Ebola patients. (ya think?)

meanwhile nurses in Dallas saying CDC need to have their heads examined - paraphrasing a bit.. that infection control is not being followed properly in the hospitals that CDC has assured the american public are adequately trained, capable and safe to deal with hemorrhagic fever pathogens.

Now CDC immediately gets access to any mutation that Amber would have.. They are only a few minutes away from Emory, basically ON-CAMPUS. SO what does that mean? each mutation comes when a virus resists the 1) natural killer cells that the body uses, that the VIRUS goes after immediately to destroy - overwhelm, derail - and then allow for the spread of it's toxin, expecting to infect other "cells" to carry its message. or 2) a supplementary treatment substance such as an externally created (and injected) antibody treatment, or 3) an anti-viral agent which could be in someway defeated by the pathogen

Joys for the CDC with this move

CDC can then get as did Biopreparat (Soviet Unions' bioweapons organization) unique samples of virus that resisted Amber's natural immune system..

Anything NEW could be tested on her there in an advanced facility to see what works and what doesn't - is the going there for her to be the guinea pig, or treated as the NBC affiliated news reporter in Nebraska? (whom by the way is doing much better now that he was treated FAST, in partial from a serum from Dr. Brantly who was treated at Emory early on..) Of course she would have to give permission or what run the risk of what happened to Thomas Duncan, who gave her the infectious strain she has?

[Harley]

WHO: Ebola Response Roadmap Situation Report

From the governments of the so-called "Free-World" who are supposed to be protecting us,

What you may find interesting are the countries which are listed.

What you should find even more interesting are the countries which are not listed.




View online or download HERE

[Matisse]

While headlines focus on Texas, border controls, etc etc. it seems Africa has been a bit forgotten. It seems to me incredible that Cuba (11 million population) has been the country to send the most aid to Africa to fight against ebola.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...t-ebola-africa

Cuba leads fight against Ebola in Africa as west frets about border security

The island nation has sent hundreds of health workers to help control the deadly infection while richer countries worry about their security – instead of heeding UN warnings that vastly increased resources are urgently needed.

As the official number of Ebola deaths in west Africa’s crisis topped 4,000 last week – experts say the actual figure is at least twice as high – the UN issued a stark call to arms. Even to simply slow down the rate of infection, the international humanitarian effort would have to increase massively, warned secretary-general Ban Ki-moon.

“We need a 20-fold resource mobilisation,” he said. “We need at least a 20-fold surge in assistance – mobile laboratories, vehicles, helicopters, protective equipment, trained medical personnel, and medevac capacities.”

But big hitters such as China or Brazil, or former colonial powers such France and the UK, have not been stepping up to the plate. Instead, the single biggest medical force on the Ebola frontline has been a small island: Cuba.

That a nation of 11 million people, with a GDP of $6,051 per capita, is leading the effort says much of the international response. A brigade of 165 Cuban health workers arrived in Sierra Leone last week, the first batch of a total of 461. In sharp contrast, western governments have appeared more focused on stopping the epidemic at their borders than actually stemming it in west Africa. The international effort now struggling to keep ahead of the burgeoning cases might have nipped the outbreak in the bud had it come earlier.

[Bob]

Mr. President, Obama holds a news conference to explain how things are "under control" live 5:45 pm Eastern time, USA.

He explains that he/they are monitoring supervising overseeing aggressively..

He says as SOON as somebody is diagnosed with Ebola, that a CDC swat team will be in place, running things..

They would be those in-control of the situation..

Key thing is to understand that the PROTOCOLS work, repeating that stuff used decades ago will work again.. (if they are done properly he emphasises)

This rapid response team is the solution he says, and they are reviewing every step that went right (or wrong) with Mr. Duncan.

Because this has had attention, we are going to pay attention it...

Public safety is the foremost concern. It is not like the flu it is not airborn, the only way is by direct contact by somebody showing symptoms (leaving open what showing symptoms means such as in Amber's case she was showing symptoms with a lower grade fever but traveled anyway).. (what is the magic threshold for presenting which is NOT based on data that is 15 years old? If virus has changed characteristics, it is apparent from the New England Journal of Medicine statistical evaluation, 13% of the infected ones DID NOT SHOW any fever signs)

Mr. President reminds us that he will be monitoring what is happening in Dallas.. He in an anecdotal way says he personally hugged the nurses at EMORY (who use the class 4 biosafety protocols - I would too hug a nurse who used all the class level 4 protocols and equipment in that case, but to use that "out-of-context" with those who DON'T use class 4 biosafety procedures doesn't offer a good analogy).

Mr. Obama says the situation in AFRICA needs to be invested in to deal with this problem, he called it an "investment", that $$$ thing again, but it was paraphrased as it would prevent a more serious outbreak in this country.. HE DID SAY IT IS AN OUTBREAK in this country..can't erase those words about 5:51 Eastern time.. but no doubt spin doctoring will rapidly change the subject..)

He says training, preparedness is needed NOW, not later, and please pray for the two health care workers who got sick (the two Dallas Nurses)..

He says they are gonna be properly cared for..

He says he is absolutely confident that this won't spread.

[Bob]

Frontier Airlines is Denver based.

The plane from Dallas to Cleveland according to ABC investigative reporters says that flew at least 5 more flights without especially detailed disinfection procedures. That Frontier would NOT tell reporters who the cleaning service is that they use.

Proper protocol says burn or autoclave - infected wastes.. What is the decontamination level required, what disinfectant used on aircraft, that absolutely guarantees that absorbent seats that can be touched are safe? How deep does that disinfectant penetrate and how often should it be used to guarantee safety?

Are there sampling methods to see if virus is present deep from a seat for instance?

Where Thomas Duncan stayed had couches, bedding all taken out and burned. The rest of the apartment surfaces that could be spray treated were sprayed.

Is Frontier going to strip down the seats, the carpet? What do you think? Could it be $$$ again, hope it goes away, a wing and a prayer.. (sigh)..

the plane finally is out - of - service btw

(ABC numerous reporting sources)

Quick anecdote - having had a very dear friend of mine, one who trained the Frontier pilots years ago, explain to me "changes" which were happening... he reminded me $$ was the issue, the bottom line.. he died a few years afterwards, on Lake Mead away far from any one who could help him, from a massive and sudden heart attack.. beautiful fellow, brilliant and one sharp pilot, eventually traveling upwards through the ranks, becoming head of the company's education services for pilots..

(Closeup of the tail section)

Georgia - Texas - Florida - Ohio were locations that plane flew to. Flight Aware dot Com (ABC news reporting that detail.. Also pointing out Frontier flight crews 'concerned' including that internal memos sent out were assuring crews, flight attendants, no worries, ZERO CHANCE that any person will be on ANY of their flights having been exposed Ebola because their flights do not travel two or from west Africa - that did not go over well with the employees, the news report said)

and

The Frontier Airlines Airbus A320 flew to Cleveland’s Hopkins International Airport, Hollywood International Airport near Ft Lauderdale, Florida, and Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. That’s according to FlightAware, a company tracking flight data from government and airline sources.

FlightAware reports that passenger jet with tail number N220FR arrived at Dallas Ft Worth International airport at 8:08 PM Central time. Frontier Airlines says in a statement that the flight “remained overnight at the airport having completed its flying for the day at which point the aircraft received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures within CDC guidelines prior to returning to service the next day. It was also cleaned again in Cleveland last night.”

(Source)

[Roisin]

That plane, as of around 2 PM today was on the tarmac back in Cleve at Cleve. Hopkins airport being cleaned and disinfected again even though they did that after it landed in Dallas too. They showed that same plane on the local news today as it was being disinfected.

[Bob]

Another qualified doctor right in the middle of it speaks out - droplet transmission possible.

DALLAS (KRLD) — The executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons says that despite what the CDC is saying, Ebola might be transmitted by breathing.

“What we’re suggesting is that it is very dangerous to assume that one cannot ever acquire Ebola from an aerosol or from breathing,” said Dr. Jane Orient.

emphasis added

"When a patient vomits, has diarrhea, undergoes medical procedures, or even flushes the toilet, “there’s just a cloud that contains pathogen virus particles,” says Dr. Orient.

"Dr. Orient says that when an aerosol dries up, droplet nuclei remain suspended in the air for a long time. A recent research study suggests that Ebola could remain infectious in an aerosol for more than an hour.

"The droplets are “just too small” to be captured by standard medical masks, says Dr. Orient. A possible solution? Powered, air-purifying respirators for healthcare workers."

He says this contradicts CDC director Frieden's statements AND President Obama's statements (the President repeating what he was told by CDC)..

Dr. Orient's testimony is to be submitted to a CDC hearing on Thursday October 16th.

(Source)

"Not Airborne (in the classical bioweapons wording),
but able to be transmitted through the air in the form of droplets either wet or dried.."