Haemorrhagic fever / Ebola outbreaks have been reported - accident, natural or bio-weapon?

[Chanlo23]

Posted by buares (here)

Posted by Bob (here)
Let it be solved, not played down.

I'd rather 'play down' Ebola and its 2,000 deaths per decade than just forget about HIV/AIDS and its 1 million deaths per year...

I would rather talk about AIDS/HIV deaths on a different thread. No one is advocating 'forgetting' HIV/AIDS deaths - despite 2012 WHO statistics revealing that HIV/AIDS deaths are steadily shrinking (see: http://www.who.int/gho/hiv/epidemic_...eaths_text/en/. A thread about HIV/AIDS should be talking about issues related to that.

I don't advocate 'playing down' or forgetting any disease or condition that can kill me or those I love. I advocate getting as many facts as possible and quoting the WHO 2012 stats on Ebola deaths is more than a 'day late and a dollar short'.

Two recent predictions are far more relevant:

• http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/1-2-milli...d-in-6-months/ An econometric simulation model based on the assumption the World Health Organization and others will be unable to control the Ebola outbreak in West Africa predicts 1.2 million people will die from the disease in the next six months. 1.2 Mililon people in 6months is relevant.
• http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2753421/Real-risk-Ebola-virus-mutate-AIRBORNE-disease-expert-warns.html Oxford University scientists created a new map showing the places most at risk of an Ebola outbreak and predicting up to 22 million people could be at risk.

And, with potential ebola cases running around on cruise ships, flying back and forth across the country picking up wedding dresses, university students getting exposed on airplanes, etc. -- more and more folks are potentially being put at risk by the lets-not-think-about-that-mentality and the lets-quote-outdated-stats-mentality. Granted, these folks are being put on watch lists and voluntary quarantine, but/and not even that would be happening if there were not a REAL outbreak.

[Atlas]

The outbreak is real but the deaths count is peanut compared to HIV/AIDS. Just do the math. And predictions are nothing more than just that, predictions. By the way, I wouldn't trust the predictions of a tabloid not even for one penny. Re-quoting Amzer Zo previous post:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Americans have a 2000-times greater chance of developing malaria [CDC] and a 500-times greater risk from dying from tuberculosis [CDC 2013] than they do Ebola but a survey reveals 40% of Americans believe there will be a large outbreak of Ebola virus in the U.S. But that same news report says the fear of Ebola “is not even close to the actual reality” and that an individual’s chance of getting Ebola in the developed world are “virtually zero.” [NBC News Aug 26, 2014]

[Bob]

Summary from Previous Page - and some updates

• Anti-virals exist that are not vaccines, have broad spectrum ability to deal with HIV/Hepatitis/FiloViri (i.e. Ebola, Marburg) - that is the alternative to vaccines
• Vaccines for filoviri are being now released by Canada to the WHO - vaccines developed by UK are still in testing stages, Vaccines developed by NIH are in testing stages
• Up to 1000 people are under observation or some in quarantine, either mandatory or voluntary
• Frontier Airlines feels it is IMPORTANT to take apart the deep pile, or seat coverings, or carpet in the JET plane, having used a gaseous disinfectant TOO - if they wern't concerned they would have simply ignored the issue, instead they know the situation and took proper steps for decontamination.
• Bioweapons issue, and creating a "partial vaccine" and the dangers of viral strain amplification
• Reiteration of current statistics verses using OLD data - prediction of deaths, and spread data, verses apparent distortion of data

Useful post detailing errors in published CDC data dealing with improper protection against Ebola

Useful post explaining "diversion" or stale data being used in agency reports, or misinformation leading to improper procedures being performed - - psyops(?) possibly an attempt to block understanding and education.

Airline contacts 800 passengers; Belize blocks travel

This week, a Central American country closed its borders to anyone who has been anywhere near the disease.

And an airline scrambled to inform hundreds passengers that they had been on a plane that carried someone who has since come down with Ebola.

When U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry asked the government of Belize to help evacuate a Dallas hospital worker from a cruise ship off its coast on Friday, officials declined to let her on shore.

and saying it about as clearly as possible, Mr. President Obama has upgraded his statement to now include, a travel ban for incoming passengers is NOT off the table, (and can be implemented) - that being the case, the seriousness is ramping upwards despite attempts by naysayers to sway opinion. Politically the travel ban and the naysayer spin is being used as the football to apparently insist that a travel ban for incoming be pushed one way or the other.. (as have other nations used and have apparently succeeded in preventing any incoming infected passenger.. closing borders appears to work at least in Africa with this CURRENT outbreak - as is done quarantine is the effective first level measure, educate, and treat where possible, and disinfect where possible).

"The State Department wanted to fly her (the lab supervisor) back to the United States -- purely out of caution -- from Belize City's airport.

"Instead, the cruise ship is hauling her back to Galveston. "

Shutting down the travel expectations of all the passengers on the ship to Belize and Mexico.

"On top of the no-go, Belize's government has slapped visa and travel bans this week on (ALL) citizens of affected West African countries and announced more strict measures.

"Also, any person of whatever nationality wishing to travel to Belize who has visited any affected area of West Africa within the last 30 days will be prohibited from entering Belize," the government said in a statement on Friday."

(multiple sources and source)

A network source is reporting that Nurse Amber did use Tylenol (a fever reducing agent) when the headaches started, so it can be assumed that the reported temperatures were not accurate prior to flight time. CDC therefore is saying Vinson flew to Cleveland on October 10 and back to Dallas on October 13, and she could have had symptoms during that time.

CDC says they want to talk with those who were on the flight. Nothing to see? - they think there is something to be alert about and want to talk to the passengers.

[Bob]

Why the worry 'down on the farm' about bioweapons,

hmm..

Well you know that 'thorn' in many administrations' a side called Iran... way back when as treaties were being signed, to prevent bioweapons developments, chemical weapons development and y'all know down on the farm, despite treaties, rebranding was happening all across the board.. developing "solutions" to the weapons means finding counter-measures, and of course for a counter-measure the "real thing" needs to be there, so the agencies say to one another.. simulants just don't cut it the developers say.

Now back in 1998 an article appeared, paraphrasing a bit" Unemployed Russian Scientists trained in nuclear, biological, and chemical Sciences Wanted - will Pay Well..

MOSCOW -- Iran is scouring the former Soviet Union to hire scientists who once worked in laboratories tied to Moscow's vast germ warfare program and has succeeded in recruiting some of them to take jobs in Teheran, according to Russian scientists and American officials.

Iranian officials who report directly to the leadership of the Islamic state have approached dozens of scientists who once made germ weapons, offering as much as $5,000 a month to people who earn far less than that a year in the increasingly chaotic Russian economy.

"In interviews in Russia and neighboring Kazakhstan, more than a dozen former germ warriors reported contacts with Iran, and two said they had been asked specifically to help Tehran make biological weapons. "

Remember the words "research conducted for purely peaceful purposes" can be applied to mean, "must have the weapons themselves to see how a countermeasure to ensure peace (when they win fighting back)".. The whole ball game is a play on words, where those down on the farm, know exactly what is going on and why.. to protect the mindset of the People, who simply cannot handle the truth, a plausible explanation must be concocted to lend credibility to conspiracy buffs, divert attention away from investigative inquiries, and funnel the needed resources into appropriate countermeasures to handle the threat.

"It's often hard to distinguish between a drug and a weapon, or between offensive or defensive research," said Lev Sandakhchiev, the director of the state laboratory known as Vector, which made deadly viruses for weapons in Soviet times. "What counts is intent. And that complicates trust."

American officials say Tehran's recruiting successes are troubling because they suggest that the people who were crucial to the once-secret Soviet germ weapons program, which at its height employed some 70,000 scientists and technicians, are in danger of being lured

"American officials assert that Tehran's biowarfare program may have already turned some germs and toxins into weapons, but they have scant information on Iran's progress." And that was in 1998.. And since then and up through present time, now, we see "demonstrations" of infectious agents, here-to-fore lying obscure in the biolab or in an off-spot isolated from the rest of civilization.. Odd? Not really, not when bioweapons programs are ongoing worldwide..

When some of the older scientists realized what was happening, overtly they refused. BUT that didnt stop Tehran from bombarding many of the younger scientists incessantly, to COME TO IRAN TO TEACH.. They used the ego to try to recruit, teach and explain to us, show us how smart you are.. The older Russian scientists had said one of the key interests of Tehran was to learn how to develop a genetic weapon able to target specific races of humans.. Russian scientists had been developing many forms of Genetically modified organisms and crops - some of the research was about learning how to put TOXINS into food sources, plants, so that they would gradually kill the Enemy - (sound familiar out there with GMO's in the guise of improving food?) - putting foreign proteins into a plant which can then create TARGET MOLECULES for virues to go after is a PERFECT WEAPON..

Connect the dots yet with GMO, VIRUSES (selective triggered 'outbreaks') and the manufactures of such, where such has been and is continuing to be developed?

It is now known that the Soviet Union built the most pestilential biological arsenal of all time. At the program's peak, Russian and Western experts say, scientists at scores of sites studied some 50 biological agents and prepared a dozen or so for war. Bombers and intercontinental missiles were ready to disseminate hundreds of tons of smallpox, plague and anthrax, enough to wipe out entire nations.

Many of these biological agents were developed and tested at Vector, formally the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, which made deadly viruses in Siberia; the State Research Center for Applied Microbiology, or Obolensk, near Moscow, where lethal bacteria were perfected and Stepnogorsk, a sprawling germ factory in Kazakhstan, which specialized in deadly anthrax.

This proud scientific elite was part of a culture that had a deep historic distrust of Islamic regimes, which threatened to undermine the Soviet empire. Thus, any current Iranian successes are all the more striking.

Since the collapse of Soviet Communism, these scientific centers, as well as far smaller ones, have seen their operating budgets slashed and research money disappear. But institute directors say they have fought to keep their top scientific talent intact, dismissing junior scientists and technical workers instead.

Yet, even top scientists have been tempted to sell their expertise.

DO I believe that such is happening? Indeed I do. Do you think I was asked to go teach? What do you think?

more reading here

[Bob]

What do you do with the 4400 some odd people all in a closed restricted environment, on a cruise ship at sea? Let them all go away when the ship docks Sunday back in Galveston Texas? Cruise ships in the past have been noted for being able to spread NoroVirus between the passengers.

So the lab supervisor that possibly was exposed to some of Mr. Duncan's specimens "apparently" as is being reported by the Ship company, apparently is not exhibiting symptoms..the question mathematically arises are they sure? Is that the case in this variant of the virus Ebola? She will be clear in the 21 days about when the Ship docks, but could the infection have been presented due to a possible contact situation?

If there were no worry, no concern they wouldn't be landing a helicopter on the ship to get specimen samples from the supervisor..

They have to consider if something changed with the virus.. could potentially there be more people who contacted the supervisor while she was doing the things one does on a Cruise ship? What was her itinerary, another big question to ask.. The people @ the ship's HQ say, no problem, nothing to see here.. She is fine.. But a chopper is getting samples.. Why is that? For a supposedly non-existent virus some interesting steps are happening..

Why the helicopter landing on a Cruise Ship at sea?

Fascinating observations afoot..

A helicopter landed aboard a cruise ship Saturday to pick up a blood sample from a passenger who may have handled fluids from an Ebola patient, ahead of the Carnival Magic’s planned docking at Galveston, Texas, Sunday.

Carnival said Texas health officials requested that a sample be taken from the passenger and tested, but that the ship is still scheduled to arrive Sunday morning. The company said of the passenger, who is in quarantine, that “she’s feeling absolutely fine.”

The passenger is a lab supervisor at Texas Presbyterian Health Hospital in Dallas, where Liberian Thomas Eric Duncan was treated for Ebola and died on Oct. 8. Two nurses who treated Duncan at that hospital have since tested positive for the disease.

The employee on the cruise ship, who set sail on Oct. 12, did not have “direct contact” with Duncan himself, Carnival has said. Still, amid worries about the disease Mexican officials would not grant the ship clearance to make a scheduled stop at Cozumel on Friday afternoon.

(source)

[Bob]

"We are able to confirm that the (Ebola) test was negative," Galveston County Health Authority spokesman Kurt Koopman said in an e-mail.

When the cruise left from Galveston on Oct. 12, the woman had only been required to "self-monitor" for fever or other Ebola symptoms. The woman, who has not been named, at no point showed signs of the virus and was considered asymptomatic, the Coast Guard said.

The US Coast Guard used a helicopter to fly to the ship Saturday for collecting blood samples which were run through "rapid screening" (hmm), to prove she was clear and that ALL passengers could enter the US.

CONTRASTS

The HAVES -

and

The image below is of a family member who died in Monrovia, Liberia - the relatives are peering in from the outside - (the HAVE NOTS)

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2000-2003 shows cyclic peaking in Africa and Cruise ships, there is a lag, but apparently, there is some sort of cycle present


The early years Ebola statistic for Africa - currently this year, 2014, close to 4500 deaths

What does it mean? Close quarters, ease of transportation, groups of people together are more likely to spread infections between each other?

Belize and Mexico said NO - won't risk it, not from a cruise ship - was their choice based on emotional or statistical data?

[Bob]

Are Dogs who have closely contacted a person (in close quarters) able to harbour Ebola-Zaire virus?

Spain seemed to think so and put the infected nurses' dog to death without any quarantine or study.

Those in the US, Dallas Texas have decided compassion is something better, not wanting to just arbitrarily terminate the little dog, but to study it a bit to understand the nature of canines possibly harbouring the virus in an un-presenting manner (at least for the dog)..

Is this close contact?

the King Charles Spaniel named Bentley will be tested for any sign of the Ebola virus.

"At this time, this specimen collection process is only expected to happen three times within the remainder of the quarantine period," Dallas Animal Services said in a statement released on Sunday. "This is the least invasive and safest way to conduct the testing process for Bentley."

Bentley was seized from Pham's apartment on October 11 and is being quarantined at the Hensley Field Services Center on West Jefferson Avenue.

CDC says it has no data, can canines harbour the virus and not present it. This study will provide a very general non-statistically significant measure about what may determine Bentley's future..

[Bob]

Coming out of quarantine - Spain and Texas

Source and Source

Spanish nurse tests negative for virus - Ms Romero has been treated at Carlos III hospital in Madrid, and was reportedly given a human serum containing antibodies from Ebola survivors.

A government statement on Sunday said that a blood test appeared to show that the virus was no longer in her body.

She would be given a second test overnight, the statement said, adding that her health was "developing favourably".

Fifteen other people, including Ms Romero's husband, remain under observation in quarantine, but have not shown any symptoms so far, the hospital said.

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36 people who had contact with the original Ebola patient in Dallas, Thomas Duncan, will complete a three-week watch period on Monday with no sign any of them has contracted the virus — a watershed in the fight to contain the disease in the United States. Two nurses are still infected in the US, getting treatment in specialty hospitals designed to handle class-4 pathogens.

After the isolation window closes, Troh and her children will spend a few more days at a temporary residence, then move to a new rental home in the Dallas area, said Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, who is heading the local Ebola response. Donors are paying for the family’s new home and hope to replace belongings that had to be destroyed in the cleanup process.

Troh’s daughter, Youngor Jallah, is among the group whose three-week watch period will end Sunday. Jallah, a nurse’s assistant who took Duncan’s vital signs, has stayed in an apartment she shares with her partner and their children, according to The Associated Press.

“I'm telling you, just to step outside will be so great,” she told The AP. “To hug my mom and grieve for Eric, not over the phone like we’ve been doing, but in the flesh.”

Troh’s family is among the first wave of people who had contact with an Ebola-infected person to finish the three weeks. Others, such as those who had contact with the two nurses, won't finish their quarantine for days.

“We are looking forward to Monday morning, when (the) first wave of 48 contacts and potential contacts will no longer be monitored for Ebola.."

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Dr. Mitchell Levy, father of Ashoka Mukpo, talks Thursday about his son's improving condition after contracting Ebola. His son is receiving treatment in Nebraska, having received serum from Dr Brantly, who amazingly keeps on giving to help those stricken - when their blood type matches. (Source)

Yesterday was the first day I actually heard him say, ‘Dad, I feel like I’m out of the woods.’ All of his labs now are completely normal,” Levy said, and when Levy speaks with his son’s physicians in Nebraska, “most of what we talk about is when he’ll come home.”
But that won’t happen right away.

Mukpo can be released only after two Centers for Disease Control-verified negative blood tests taken 24 hours apart, says Taylor Wilson, medical center spokesman.

Dr. Phil Smith, medical director of the biocontainment unit, says Mukpo continues to improve, but has noted that the severity and unknown aspects of the Ebola virus “must be kept in mind.”
Mukpo is the second patient to be treated for Ebola at the Nebraska biocontainment unit.

The first was Massachusetts physician Richard Sacra, who contracted the disease while treating patients in West Africa.

“With the last patient, it took 21 days [before he was released].

We’re assuming it will take that long or less.

That’s about 10 days from now,” Levy said. “Until today, yesterday he really hasn’t felt very strong. It’s not like he would really just walk out the door.”

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Update - the Spanish health care worker who had contracted Ebola, for the third test, has tested now negative for Ebola.

Teresa Romero Ramos, a Spanish nurse's aide who had contracted Ebola after caring for a patient with the deadly disease, is now free of the virus, Spain's Special Ebola Committee said Sunday.

"Today I'm very happy, because it can be said that Teresa has overcome this illness," Romero's husband, Javier Limon, said in a video statement released by a family spokeswoman.

Two earlier tests showed that Ebola levels in the health worker were almost nil, and a third test came back negative.

"The last two measurements were in 'background' levels, and there is no significant statistical difference with negative results," Luis Enjuanes, an expert on viruses, said in a phone interview, in English, with CNN. "If for three times, throughout one week, you are background, background, background, in practical terms it means you don't have the virus."

Officials have previously said that the amount of the Ebola virus in Romero's blood had decreased dramatically from the time she was rushed to the hospital two weeks ago, but Enjuanes explained just how close to negative she has already come, even before the latest test sample on Sunday.

Romero has recovered enough to produce antibodies, he said.
"It means she's making her own protection, so any virus fooling around probably will be destroyed or neutralized," said Enjuanes, who's been attending the near-daily meetings of the government's special committee on Ebola, a panel of medical and scientific experts convened to deal with the crisis.

Even though Romero received the negative result for the Ebola virus on this third key test in a week, she will surely remain in hospital for days, possibly a few weeks, in order to recover, Enjuanes said.

(source)

[Nick Matkin]

Just seen this news report:

http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/E...ail/story.html

I'm sure Avalonians will have an opinion on that particular story, so some questions:

1) Is this guy manufactured by The Powers That Be to make all those with real fears about ebola look stupid?
2) Is he genuinely worried about the virus and taking reasonable precautions?
3) Is he just a stupid prat, an example of a low-functioning human that has made it into public view?
4) Is he something I have overlooked?

Nick

[meat suit]

nigeria is ebola free
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29685127

[Cidersomerset]

20 October 2014 Last updated at 10:51

Ebola crisis: Nigeria set to be declared free of virus


Nigeria is expected to be declared officially free of Ebola on Monday, after
six weeks with no new cases.

Africa's most populous country won praise for its swift response after an
infected Liberian diplomat brought the disease there in July.

The World Health Organization (WHO) officially declared Senegal Ebola-free on Friday.

The current outbreak has killed more than 4,500 people in West Africa,
most in Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone

An estimated 70% of those infected have died in those countries.

Meanwhile, European Union foreign ministers are meeting in Luxembourg to
discuss how to strengthen their response to the threat posed by Ebola.

European countries have committed more than 500m euros (£400m; $600m)
but the UK is pressing to double that amount.

The money is being sought to help reinforce over-stretched healthcare systems
in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea and to mitigate the damage Ebola is doing
to their economies.

Ahead of the talks, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier suggested
the EU could send a civilian EU mission to West Africa that would serve as a
platform for sending medical staff.

Another diplomat said there were plans for three countries to spearhead aid to
the region - the UK for Sierra Leone, France for Guinea and the US for Liberia.




Read More....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29685127


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Some other articles on this mini - thread you may or may not have read.
Some Ebola related and others not.......


Volcania radio on Davidicke.com: Zen Gardner talks about the manufactured Ebola crisis
Sunday 19th October 2014 at 10:54 By david-icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=T6SMjuU1aY8



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...956#post890956

[Cidersomerset]

Just seen this news report:

http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/E...ail/story.html

I'm sure Avalonians will have an opinion on that particular story, so some questions:

1) Is this guy manufactured by The Powers Tat Be to make all those with real fears about ebola look stupid?
2) Is he genuinely worried about the virus and taking reasonable precautions?
3) Is he just a stupid prat, an example of a low-functioning human that has made it into public view?
4) Is he something I have overlooked?

Nick

Confused I expect ......A post from my little mini thread I mentioned
above three articles Fox saying " Don't panic Mr,Mannering , you're
better off with a Flu jab ".....

Next a Whistle blower tells us the Flu jab is basically worthless as many
have speculated.....

The the catch twenty two situation what do we do about experimental
drugs highlighted after the Ebola outbreak.....

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Shepard Smith Calls Out Media for Hysterical Ebola Scare Tactics

new Monday 20th October 2014 at 07:39 By david-icke


He says get a flu jabinstead of worrying about Ebola....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

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Meanwhile.........




Whistleblower – Flu Vax Basically Worthless

new Monday 20th October 2014 at 09:10 By david-icke




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‘A Johns Hopkins scientist has issued a blistering report on influenza vaccines in the
British Medical Journal (BMJ). Peter Doshi, Ph.D., charges that although the vaccines
are being pushed on the public in unprecedented numbers, they are less effective and
cause more side effects than alleged by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC). Further, says Doshi, the studies that underlie the CDC’s policy of encouraging
most people to get a yearly flu shot are often low quality studies that do not
substantiate the official claims.’

Read more: Whistleblower – Flu Vax Basically Worthless

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Last Hope ? or Guinea Pig ? A difficult one if you are dying anyway ??

It needs strict monitoring if vulnerable families are not to be taken
advantage of......

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Experimental drugs for patients could be available from March after Government
backs Saatchi Bill

new Monday 20th October 2014 at 10:01 By david-icke






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THE TELEGRAPH......

‘Dying patients could be given access to untested medicines from early next year after
the Government and doctors gave their backing to a bill proposed by Lord Saatchi.

Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, has now thrown his department’s weight behind
the Medical Innovation Bill which will make it easier for doctors to try out new
treatments on patients without the fear of being sued.’






Read more: Experimental drugs for patients could be available from March after Government backs Saatchi Bill


Read more....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/sa...tchi-Bill.html



See thread...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...956#post890956

[Violet]

Today Belgium officially started scanning incoming travellers from affected West African countries at the Brussels airport.

[Bob]

Oz put up a presentation today, with a researcher saying of the older stale data which was used to create the 2-21 day incubation period, that adding in an extra 10 days is needed, as the current virus strain has changed enough - 31 days is the suggested observation period, or quarantine period.. There for all of those "all clears" may be premature, or maybe not.. Again it is a situation of not having adequate current research on the current strain.

The viral strain in DR Congo reported earlier in the thread, the other "outbreak" was what looked like a hybrid something a bit like the Zaire strain, but contained a lot of the code from the earlier Bundibugyo strain.

(reminding the reader, that the graphic's numbers are OLD DATA from earlier in the year (19 Aug 2014), part of the problem is attempting to get data that is current.. The deaths are getting above the 4500 mark in the hot zone, west Africa)

Each strain intensity on a scale about "able to persist and spread", verses how fast is the rapid kill-burn-out rate.. A more deadly strain SHOULD burn itself out, but easy transport within the small window when the person IS presenting, but not so sick as to not walk, but able to spread the virus, where no quarantines are in place. Open borders allow for easy transport within that small infection window, neither too sick but sick enough to spread it..

The DR Congo variant was instantly quarantined by the government when the outbreak started to appear..

What has NOT been happening with the hot-zone is adequate quarantine; in-adequate education (superstition and disinformation let to run rampant), and when the persons get to a clinic there is improper protection amongst the clinic staff (initial screeners), the patients, and the issue about sanitation continues to plague the attempts to make progress.

Oz seems to think this is real, and if this isn't solved in 60 days, its going to be bad..

A bit more coherent than some of the talking heads on some of the other news services.. The audience happened to feel that, the US is not ready, doesn't have a clue how to deal with this.. Oz then mentioned the WHO said, neither do they, they have no clue what to do if by 60 days from now this can't be capped..

Audience members spoke up saying, with 4 hospitals in the US able to really deal with this safely, we need more class-4 level facilities, not the small handfull which primarily were designed for government employees. People said they want proper hospitals, with proper facilities, and obviously proper medicines..

I have pointed out the 4 different medications which are effective, that are generic these days..

Oz is saying, use the hand sanitizers when you can, try to educate yourself about what's really happening. Knowledge, not spin..

UPDATE- about adding in the extra 10 days for the current strain of the Ebola-Zaire, the most higher numbers of fatalities.. Given that the "treatment" methods being used in Africa are based on old data, 1976 and a few years afterwards to come up with "field protection" (the basic ebola gown and goggles one sees), and the study, if one is clear for 21 days, one bypassed the danger..

It is being noted that the hospitals after clearance of the virus in blood tests in patients are using a rule of thumb, add 10 extra days for the patient to get stronger.. Possibly it is not just that, but they ARE adding in the extra 10 days.. just in-case.. erring on the side of extra caution..

This may be a point of note to keep an eye on, add in the extra 10 days..

For Nigeria and Senegal to have declared "ebola free", the documentation says TWO complete cycles or 42 days.. using the old data, 42 days with no new people diagnosed. (it doesn't take into account how it works in Africa, the un-diagnosed, living in fear, do not report because they believe to report IS a death sentence.. I know that is the case having discussed this personally with folks in Africa, in these areas which have had the Ebola and many more infections - this based in FEAR to NOT report happens all the time..)

Nigeria MUST declare it is over for financial reasons, the oil that is produced... When anyone thinks that $$$ is going to be lost that must be addressed any way possible.. That is PR and they have used that to deal with other issues besides a high profile viral infection.

THEREFORE, to jump in jubilee ITS OVER..maybe is more wishful thinking than the way it really is in the bush or in the over-crowded complexes, such as West Point, in Liberia.. (which West Point is a terrible hot zone currently).

62 days is more realistic, AND an active campaign to get folks to report if an infection or a death has happened. What was done in Sierra Leone and Liberia are door to door evaluation is happening.. Trying to get past this "won't talk" fear..

[Hervé]

Here is for the "natural" side of the equation:

Ebola staging: experts attacked the diagnostic tests

Oct 20, 2014 by Jon Rappoport
NoMoreFakeNews.com

The experts were expressing grave doubts all the way back in 1977. Right at the beginning.

They were questioning the validity of standard tests used to diagnose Ebola—tests being the only way to say the virus is present in humans.

Of course, if the tests are unreliable, the whole premise of an epidemic caused by a single virus has no value. It’s an unwarranted assumption.

At that point, you can look for illness and death stemming from a number of causes. And you’re driven to the fact that, in Africa, large numbers of people have been dying for a very long time, for reasons that have nothing to do with germs:

Grinding poverty, war, starvation and severe malnutrition, contaminated water, pesticides, lack of basic sanitation, extreme overcrowding, stolen farm land, toxic medicines, and so on.

Not a viral epidemic.

The 1977 reference here is: “Ebola Virus Haemorrhagic Fever: Proceedings of an International Colloquium on Ebola Virus Infection and Other Haemorrhagic Fevers held in Antwerp, Belgium, 6-8 December, 1977.”

This report is 280 pages long. It’s well worth reading and studying, to see how the experts hem and haw, hedge their bets, and yet make damaging admissions:
For example,

“It is impossible to consider the virological diagnosis of Ebola virus infection loose [apart] from the diagnosis of haemorrhagic fevers in general. The clinical picture of the disease indeed is too nonspecific to allow any hypothesis as to which virus may be responsible for any given case.”

Boom!

Here is a particularly illuminating quote:

“…it is becoming clear, to us at least, that the more work you do with the FA-Test [an antibody test for Ebola diagnosis] the more interesting, the more complicated and the more biologically sloppy the results become. I would urge very great caution in making any kind of final interpretation of what you have just heard [from other presenters]…I cannot explain how a Panamanian Indian can have antibodies to Ebola virus. I don’t think these are real antibodies. Of course if these are not, it means that any others in a given serum [blood sample from a patient] may not be as well. It is clear that we must have an alternative and a much more specific method with which we can answer these questions. Several facts suggest endemicity of Ebola in Zaire…I’m beginning to believe that the virus may in fact be endemic in Zaire.”

What do the last two sentences mean? They mean there is a significant chance that Ebola has been present in Zaire for a long, long time, and people have developed natural immunity to it, as they would to, say, measles or mumps.

Hardly the stuff of “outbreaks” and viral “hot zones” and recent “epidemics.”

Here’s an add-on, 18 years after the 1977 Colloquium in Belgium: of the 55 million people living in Zaire, 20% were estimated to have antibodies to the Ebola virus. In other words, they had developed natural immunity to Ebola. (Citation: Dietrich J., 1995. Der Tod aus dem Regenwald. Die Woche, 19 May, p26-27.”) Again, not the stuff of an epidemic.

And finally, on a CDC website page titled, “Ebola (Ebola Virus Disease): Signs and Symptoms,” there is this quote:

“People who recover from Ebola infection develop antibodies that last for at least 10 years.”

The meaning of this is ominous: such people, if they receive an antibody test for Ebola, even though they are now healthy, can be labeled “Ebola,” and treated accordingly: shunned, quarantined, attacked.

Thanks to Felicia Popescu for her article, “The Ebola lie exposed!—a historical analysis.” The article analyzes, in depth, the 1977 Colloquium on Ebola.

Jon Rappoport

[emphases mine]

[Bob]

What may be interesting to note are the different types of fast military testing methods Amzer Zo, for determining markers..

I had pointed out in another thread, that certain chips have been developed to look at nano-trace toxins, biological markers, or specific biological signatures indicative of a viral pathogen, or bacterial, or plasmodium, or any other protein that the device chip has been programmed with.

I was actually asked to look at submitting a bid, for developing some improvements for laser version detection systems to get the data into the chip rapidly from a line of sight distance (detection from up to 3 miles away).

APPARENTLY using OLD data, old procedures, old techniques, old medicines, outdated concepts of "infection control", and media referring to OLD data, to explain it all away, for what reason? urge calm or something else - certainly that is not "doing the best service" to the world - for folks who are hoping to find realistic answers, so that they can plan their own future.., not listening to a "talking head" selling schmooze..

Clear understandable knowledge allows for that, people are smart, and they know when the "smoothing talk" is covering up something..

The first thing "covered up" is the data (being used across the board) generally is not current, so the steps taken (are based on old data) and therefore there is a trend towards "expansion of infection" instead of closing down the infection..(the solution steps should provide for closing down the infection, but they are not, therefore the source data is incorrect).. And for the most part those clinics USED OUTDATED and irrelevant CDC provided data.. Back to source, solve the data equation. Get the real story for the moment, what is happening AS-IS, with this strain.

An earlier post in the thread pointed out the old incorrect data, and that should be noted, and corrected. The exact procedures for this strain of the Zaire Ebola, the deadlier version needs to be solved, not brushed over with OLD statistics; use current data (as state of the art as possible), current drugs, current procedures - all of that comes from education, something that can be done simply in easy to understand language..

It doesn't take a pHd to understand how to quarantine properly, nor how to screen properly, nor how to test properly.. There are military testing apparatus, and as was mentioned earlier in this thread, no doubt, a MEDICAL DOG could be trained easily enough to note the change in aroma with a sickness. EASY to do, easy to implement.. BUT if that is brushed in the dirt again, it will be as the WHO has said, 60 days, and they are out of answers..

[Bob]

ANTIVIRAL - getting stockpiles assembled

Earlier in this thread I talked about the antiviral product called, Avigan; it is now going to get a boost in manufacturing..

The Japanese holding company, FujiFilm, said it has an in-stock inventory of 20,000 courses of treatment of Avigan tablets, plus an additional inventory of active pharmaceutical ingredients to make the 300,000 courses of treatment.

The governments of France and Guinea are planning to conduct clinical trials of Avigan in Guinea as a treatment for Ebola in mid-November, FujiFilm said.

If the trials support the drug’s safety and efficacy as a human Ebola treatment, FuJifilm expects requests for large-scale use.

FuJifilm’s Toyama Chemical unit received Japanese approval in March 2014 for Avigan tablets as a treatment for influenza.

The antiviral, also known by its generic name favipiravir, is designed to inhibit viral gene replication within infected cells.

The simple anti-viral has been demonstrated in mice to stop Ebola's replication.

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substance reference: http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov//com...vir?r=chemical



2-Pyrazinecarboxamide, 6-fluoro-3-hydroxy-

"6-fluoro-3-oxo-3,4-dihydropyrazine-2-carboxamide";

6-FLUORO-3-HYDROXYPYRAZINE-2-CARBOXAMIDE

T-705 as it is called, is simple as all heck, able to deal with FiloViri (i.e. Ebola), very effective in dealing with "flu", no vaccine needed philosophy, "in-vivo-vaccination" (tm) or simply put the body will make it's own anti-bodies if it can, and has a fighting chance.. An anti-viral gives the immune system the chance - if it can suppress enough viral replications, leaving enough of some key viral proteins "intact" (but the virus is no longer able to reproduce) to create the signature key for the "alarm system"

Total dose: 14 days treatment - twice daily. Not bad. (Taking massive doses of vitamins or anti-oxidants in hopes of a cure.. hmm that would be an interesting comparison watching a cross effectiveness study..)

Filoviruses cause disease with high case fatality rates and are considered biological threat agents.

Licensed post-exposure therapies that can be administered by the oral route are desired for safe and rapid distribution and uptake in the event of exposure or outbreaks.

Favipiravir or T-705 has broad antiviral activity and has already undergone phase II and is undergoing phase III clinical trials for influenza.

Here we report the first use of T-705 against Ebola virus.

T-705 gave 100% protection against aerosol Ebola virus E718 infection;

This protection level was shown in immune-deficient mice after 14 days of twice-daily dosing.

T-705 was also shown to inhibit Ebola virus infection in cell culture as well.

T-705 is likely to be licensed for use against influenza in the near future and could also be used with a new indication for filovirus infection.

PLEASE pay attention to the mention of AEROSOL EBOLA VIRUS MENTION... (something that needs to not be pushed under the rug.. )

In another post coming up, it will be made known, the aerosol version mentioned above, how it was known about and data published in a leading trade journal, aerosol manufacturing, survivability of the bioweapon, duration studies of how long the filo-viri (ebola and marburg) are able to exist viably on surfaces.. In short, the spin being perpetrated, "it is not airborne" is not meant to tell the full story, what has been known to insiders and kept away from the Public.

[Bob]

How effective Avigan?

Well the antiviral was being given to an Ebola patient at a French hospital. The French nurse, a volunteer for Doctors Without Borders who was contaminated while on a mission in Liberia, has recovered and left the hospital, the French health ministry said in a statement.

Fujifilm is also receiving requests to supply the drug to other governments and agencies, it said.

A Ugandan clinian who helped with aid work in Sierra Leone was infected with Ebola. That patient was transferred to a hospital in Frankfurt for treatment and was given the antiviral on Oct. 4.

[Bob]

NIH stored article talks about AIRBORNE (Aerosolized) EBOLA..

- Fauci, Frieden, (and talking heads in MSM) - "IT IS NOT AIRBORNE, it cannot be aerosolized, cannot spread by the air...."

There is a complete study done many years ago, describing how each different variant has been made, tested, in aerosol forms, and on surfaces, describing how easy it is to actually GET the virus infections from the aerosol route.. (inhalation in other words).. or get it by contacting the filovirus from a surface.

From the first dataset - this abstract was found in the National Institutes of Health records...

more extracts from the research paper coming in another post..

Absolutely fascinating article reading the research paper, which by the way WAS put out by a government defence department lab, explaining the 3 week survival rate of the virus on surfaces and the aerosol route.. (the aerosol route was reported to have at best a 103 minute survival rate, corresponding the "particles aloft" and particle size).

Also pointed out from the bioweapons standpoint... something that sent chills down my spine..

A person who had survived the current ebola-zaire strain, is basically immune now to that strain.. think carefully slowly and focus on this to connect these dots.. Given a spray bottle that releases only a few particles a co-opted person immune can distribute such a thing with impunity and there would be no trace.. Please do consider Bill Ryan's new thread when he said he woke up today and realized the "plan" - he asked, is it just a dream or?

So about those quarantines, about those open borders, about not keeping track of who is immune by survival, naturally, or by a monoclonal antibody treatment.. Can folks understand why the emphasis has been made "get the actual antiviral substances widely available, NOW not later.."

A properly chosen antiviral, able to be taken 1 or two times a day by mouth, no more complicated than taking a coenzyme, depending on the particular molecules used.. for from 5 days to two weeks... fast and easy.

Some of these products are now generic, almost over the counter substances, no big pharma's "patented medicines" needed.. What's keeping that from Africa, some agenda?

[Bob]

Dr. recovers in Norway - it is possible if caught but treated early enough.

Norwegian doctor Silje Lehne Michalsen speaks Monday in Oslo ahead of her release from the hospital where she recovered from the Ebola virus.

OSLO—A Norwegian medical doctor left the Ulleval Hospital in Oslo on Monday, having recovered from Ebola after contracting it on her first field job for Doctors Without Borders in Sierra Leone.

“Today I am well and no longer contagious,” said Silje Lehne Michalsen. “I feel lucky, and it doesn’t really feel like I’ve had Ebola. Those who have been and are infected with Ebola in Africa have had—and have—a completely different experience than me.”

Dr. Michalsen, 30 years old, said at a news conference in Oslo that she wanted to return to West Africa and continue fighting Ebola. She said she was thankful that many health workers are volunteering to join the fight.

“To have Ebola in West Africa is more than having symptoms. It’s losing sisters, fathers and neighbors,” Dr. Michalsen said. “To be six years old and submitted without knowing anybody. That your family is stigmatized. To be isolated in warm, overcrowded tents, with hard beds and dead bodies in the neighboring beds. But that’s only if you’re lucky enough to get a space.”

The Norwegian doctor was among 500 international workers and 3,000 local workers employed by Doctors Without Borders in West Africa since March. Twenty-three of the group’s field workers in West Africa have contracted Ebola, and 13 have died, all of them local staff, Doctors Without Borders said.

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