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24th October 2014 09:14
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Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet
Just finished reading that Chomsky essay that Melinda linked to.
It was an interesting ride...
Based on Wade's definitions I would have to say that Noam is a structuralist and seems a materialist too
. Ah, just rechecked that part of the essay and Wade actually refers to Noam as being such (a structuralist).
Another thing that became obvious: there is virtually no mention of technology and of course no mention of energy. And I realized what I felt was "not working" with that writing as soon I read Fuller's quote about politics...
Now, that the more obvious observations are out of the way, I have other notes I took while reading.
First one was the continuous mention of work, work, work, labor, labor, labor. That to me evokes the image of a mine worker, using a pickaxe to dig for coal.
And then this came: "[labor will] become not only a means of life, but also the highest want in life". It was too much!
So I had to stop and think: what is the problem here? Why could not work be the highest want in life?
This question made me realize that I was thinking with my scarcity mindset ON. I see work as a form of slavery and servitude. Work is something that you do so you can survive, and if you are lucky, you will get a few days off each year to do what you want with your time. And even then, you are conditioned to spend your savings on vacation trips and so on, and you will get right back on the grind. Of course that could not be the highest want in life!
Wade mentions that people will have "one hour workdays" in a Free Energy world. I don't think so. I think that work, chores, drudgery, grinding, repetitive and mindless tasks will be completely obsolete. "Work" may likely stay in our vocabulary, but only associated with physics, energy and machine "effort".
The way I see it, in an abundance world, if you do not want/desire to do something, nobody will make you do it. The paradox is, I don't think anyone will be sitting on their bums all day doing nothing. In fact, it's very possible that the activities will greatly surpass what we call today a "workday". It is possible that when the Sun sets you will feel exhausted, but eager to start again the next day. Why? Because you would not be working, you would be doing what you love most doing, what is your highest form of expression in the moment. That seems like Utopia, and probably this is why Noam stays away from it? Since it's logically impossible to attain with limited resources.
Something else that seemed apparent in that essay was a quest for a "hive mind" called the "the whole body of workers". It is possible that I misunderstood that concept and I am projecting my own fears over that form of social organization, but it seemed to me that individuality gets lost there. Abundance is actually the only way you can have full individual expression without exploiting someone or something. And argument could be made that harmony could also allow for individual expression if you love doing what I need as a resource, so me using you will not be called exploitation. But that could quickly slide into me having a vested interest into conditioning you to love "the work" so you don't get any other bright ideas about "moving on" or "changing professions".
Another idea that caught my eyes was: "the ability of the worker to be master over production". Here, again, I could be biased and rightfully accused of being elitist, but it seems that a lot of mental horse power is required to have this ability! You would need to be able to study and develop a comprehensive perspective well beyond your field of "labor". If you fail to do so then... to a hammer everything looks like a nail! (Pretty much how to a worker: labor and industry is the way to go!).
Next, I noticed that Noam is picking on technocrats. At this point I don't understand what the problem with Technocracy would be and it seems to me that this is exactly how the so called "industrial administrative committee" would work. With technocrats in the administrative positions.
Moving on to: abolishing the rights of property! Oh, oh!! That was a trigger for me... Where would I be if I could not own anything? What would be the meaning of my work and effort? Boy, is that scarcity at its best or what
? If I truly look at it, in an abundance world I really do not want to own anything and it would make no sense to do so. But now? There is a tendency to "hoard things", for that "rainy day"... It's a tendency of selfishness. I work hard so I deserve to own, or I've studied more so I deserve to own, or I make more money so I deserve to own. And why share it with all the "lazy people" out there that only watch TV and go about their day in a mindless state, complaining how bad things are?
Pretty thoughts, aren't they?
And finally, the full Notes on Anarchism seems to make the assumption that the general population is able and willing to look at these issues and understand the problem and put thought into it. There is an assumption of freedom of thought, which I don't think it actually exists... We are so deeply conditioned, that we mostly react to stuff and very rarely "stop and think it through". When people vote on issues, they vote emotionally not with their minds. And the campaign managers make full use of that knowledge.
I wonder what would happen if, by law, all the campaign would have to be black text on white background
. No video, no audio (except for when disabilities are concerned). Boy, will we get some fine writers in quick order... Oh, and we can do that online to! Save a lot paper in the process. This will also cut down the campaign budget requirements quite a lot, no more need of corporate funding.
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24th October 2014 11:00
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Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet
You bring up a lot of good stuff Ilie.
It's interesting thinking about 'work.' Obviously our culture has relied upon work, specifically large amounts of manual labour, for centuries in order to facilitate survival and progress. But a lot of the drive to have 'work ethic' has come from others who needed people to believe in the work they were doing in order not to rebel against it, and to line the pockets of their masters. So a lot of people can end up too busy working to have time to think, and that's one of the reasons we don't have genuine progress that actually serves the majority of humanity.
I agree with you, and it's been discussed here before, that once free energy facilitates people being freed from drudgery, their motivations for work will change, and it won't feel like 'work' anymore. A lot of people become despondent in their jobs, or on unemployment benefits, because they don't have the resources or cultural support to develop their innate gifts and soul's creative inclinations. Families, partners, employers, friends are sometimes the source of that deflating commentary : “Who are you to think of being a great artist, inventor, healer, sage?” Sometimes it is out of fear manifesting as jealousy, and sometimes out of fear that the person won't survive or provide for their family if they don't buckle down to 'real' work.
To me a free energy world starts with freeing people from drudgery and survival needs so they can begin to explore their deeper nature and find their bliss. For some that may first take a turn as being escapist and even nihilist – but as society starts to see the fruits of people being freer and more fulfilled, it would make no sense to stay in a slump, when opportunities grow, and more and more people inspire those around them by the happiness they exude from realising their potential. It creates an energy shift that is inspiring, and more and more this becomes the norm.
A lot of depression (that leads to inertia) is really blocked anger, and that anger is really blocked or wounded love. The more opportunities there are to explore alternatives to the life situations that wounded us in the first place, the greater the chances of moving on faster. A world in which we are inspired to work, is more conducive to our wishing to explore ways we can contribute to the good of the whole – to discover how we can effect the lives of others positively. To see the fruits of that endeavour becomes reward in itself – rather than us needing to be reminded via an oppressive manifestation of a work ethic.
In a world of scarcity, as you aptly point out, owning material things is often the one tangible perk of labouring most of your time away for a pay cheque. It's part of the conundrum with jobs that focus on sustaining the material world, and a materialist mindset. You rarely see a high-earning broker who spends 16 hour days on the stock-market who is happy to live in a modest flat with few material possessions except some books and a wooden flute. But I did read about a multi-millionaire film-maker who went to live in a trailer on his own property to abandon the baggage that came with his plush home, and get back to an environment that focused his mind on what was within, and important to the health of his psyche.
This ties in with another misinterpretation of a free energy world – that it will lead to gluttony and general excess. I actually see it the other way around. That it can in fact more naturally lead to our having less rather than more in many respects. Both because it reduces the need for as much physical infrastructure and machinery as we have now (which will be kinder to the planetary environment and our homes) and also with the way it facilitates room for soul growth in our culture, so we are less focused on material benefits.
Your last points about what can be done online, with political campaigns in order to simplify them, reminded me of how we can contribute politically in a world of abundance. A lot of issues can be voted on online rather than at polling stations. In a world of abundance, respect and generosity, we have time to understand issues enough to vote consciously on far more of them, and we have the motivation to do so. But a lot of policies and decisions now are based on a complicated infrastructure riddled with problems to solve. In a world of abundance you would have far less issues that needed solving, and far more decisions that directly effect people could be made locally rather than by central governments that tie so many aspects of our lives together.
To your point about individuality – the more contended the individual parts of the whole, the stronger and clearer the collective energy will be. That is conducive to a healthier community, rather than one glued together based on survival needs.
A world of abundance offers much to look forward to.
Last edited by Melinda; 24th October 2014 at 11:55.
Reason: spelling and grammar :)
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24th October 2014 12:36
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