How do you see/feel about the future of men and women, masculine and feminine?

[Pop Idle]

I actually meant that it's dangerous to the powerful. Jesus is just one example amongst many of those men who've embodied divine masculinity and faced adversity, shall we say, as a result.

Men that stand in their own power and don't respect the hierarchy, refuse to be subdued and placated. Men that try to change things. Undesirable unless they can be bought and manipulated.

Edit:

And I wasn't 'bashing' transsexuals at all, and understand that you can't really generalise, I don't really care what anybody does with their own body and understand that every instance has it's own context.

I'm in no way a fundamentalist and align myself with no particular religion. Just thought it was an issue that highlighted my point about the high level of neurosis in society. It saddens me somewhat that people feel they need to get bits lopped off or added in order to accept themselves, is all.

Thanks for pointing out the muddiness of my post though : )

[sigma6]

Because of all the homo, transgender stuff, (and maybe I'm just getting older) I tend to see the "masculine" in women now, and realize it's almost like there is a "boy" hidden in the female form. And it makes me think of the Greeks and their love of "boys" and to a certain degree I get that... on a psychological level. After all what is a boy... as a child, just a being full of possibilities exploring the world, ultimate freedom of expression, as an adolescent an unsure of himself, emotionally developing creature, trying to figure out what it means to be a man... (insecurity, unknowns, performance anxiety...)

But when I see that aspect in a woman, I think there is a feeling... like what if I had too much fun as a child (which is really largely, and physically asexual... apart from the societal behavioural reinforcement...) i..e some of the girls I knew were tougher than boys, a lot of boys tend to be spoiled by their mothers, and grow up being real suck holes... (who become scared a**-holes, because they don't know how to deal with their spoilt, inner nature, having lived under their mother's skirt their whole life, the fear and anxiety makes them social bullies trying to compensate themselves their whole lives...)

On the feminine side though, when I see a young beautiful girl, awkward about her femininity, I find it fascinating, I can see the struggle, i.e. am I acting too much like the "tomboy" of my youth? Can others see my "aggressive boyish" nature? etc... I think it is attractive, athletic women are just as attractive, if not more in many ways as all the other types of females out there...

ie. I can see the "masculine" easier in women then I can see the "feminine" in men unless it's exaggerated... I think the female form is more utilitarian, ie. overall functional, more longer living, greater capability of endurance, i.e. more efficient energy user.... whereas the male is more specialized, especially if physically muscular, (high performance, higher physiological maintenance, higher burnout factor, etc

But psychologically I see the male psychology as more utilitarian (get the job done, just do it! go for it...) and the female psychology as more specialized. (i.e. female identity is based on being pleasing according to a male stereotype physically attractive, demurring, cute, passive, etc...)

just a brief gist of some things that cross my mind...

[Natalia]

Posted by Pop Idle (here)
I actually meant that it's dangerous to the powerful. Jesus is just one example amongst many of those men who've embodied divine masculinity and faced adversity, shall we say, as a result.

Men that stand in their own power and don't respect the hierarchy, refuse to be subdued and placated. Men that try to change things. Undesirable unless they can be bought and manipulated.

Edit:

And I wasn't 'bashing' transsexuals at all, and understand that you can't really generalise, I don't really care what anybody does with their own body and understand that every instance has it's own context.

I'm in no way a fundamentalist and align myself with no particular religion. Just thought it was an issue that highlighted my point about the high level of neurosis in society. It saddens me somewhat that people feel they need to get bits lopped off or added in order to accept themselves, is all.

Thanks for pointing out the muddiness of my post though : )

There can be a genuine concern rather than hatred...there are 2 (or more) sides to this transsexual issue and experience...

I watched this video yesterday, seems relevant to post here

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JB0SS9-6sOE

[Natalia]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
Because of all the homo, transgender stuff, (and maybe I'm just getting older) I tend to see the "masculine" in women now, and realize it's almost like there is a "boy" hidden in the female form. And it makes me think of the Greeks and their love of "boys" and to a certain degree I get that... on a psychological level. After all what is a boy... as a child, just a being full of possibilities exploring the world, ultimate freedom of expression, as an adolescent an unsure of himself, emotionally developing creature, trying to figure out what it means to be a man... (insecurity, unknowns, performance anxiety...)

But when I see that aspect in a woman, I think there is a feeling... like what if I had too much fun as a child (which is really largely, and physically asexual... apart from the societal behavioural reinforcement...) i..e some of the girls I knew were tougher than boys, a lot of boys tend to be spoiled by their mothers, and grow up being real suck holes... (who become scared a**-holes, because they don't know how to deal with their spoilt, inner nature, having lived under their mother's skirt their whole life, the fear and anxiety makes them social bullies trying to compensate themselves their whole lives...)

On the feminine side though, when I see a young beautiful girl, awkward about her femininity, I find it fascinating, I can see the struggle, i.e. am I acting too much like the "tomboy" of my youth? Can others see my "aggressive boyish" nature? etc... I think it is attractive, athletic women are just as attractive, if not more in many ways as all the other types of females out there...

ie. I can see the "masculine" easier in women then I can see the "feminine" in men unless it's exaggerated... I think the female form is more utilitarian, ie. overall functional, more longer living, greater capability of endurance, i.e. more efficient energy user.... whereas the male is more specialized, especially if physically muscular, (high performance, higher physiological maintenance, higher burnout factor, etc

But psychologically I see the male psychology as more utilitarian (get the job done, just do it! go for it...) and the female psychology as more specialized. (i.e. female identity is based on being pleasing according to a male stereotype physically attractive, demurring, cute, passive, etc...)

just a brief gist of some things that cross my mind...

I like your post, quite refreshing!

"The psyches and souls of women
also have their own cycles and seasons
of doing and solitude, running and staying,
being involved and being removed,
questing and resting, creating and incubating,
being of the world and returning to the soul-place."

~ Clarissa Pinkola Estés

[ulli]

The bottom line, or should I say the top line, is that the spirit is sexless.
Duality poles are united in true spirituality.

Women need to become equal in every aspect so that their contribution to humanity's legislative bodies can cancel out the warmongering.
Just think about the statistics...half of humanity is male the other is female,
and humanity could be compared to a bird flying on two wings.
If one wing is stronger than the other the bird cannot fly. Baha'i analogy...

[Skyhaven]

In my opinion it's all about bringing both energies into balance within. Balance in the external world will sprout naturally from that. In this world many men aren't into tune with the feminine energies, and many women aren't into tune with the masculine energies.

[Natalia]

It seems that everyone who has posted on this thread about this has expressed their own idealism of it...and our ideals differ in some ways...

Posted by ulli (here)
The bottom line, or should I say the top line, is that the spirit is sexless.
Duality poles are united in true spirituality.

Women need to become equal in every aspect so that their contribution to humanity's legislative bodies can cancel out the warmongering.
Just think about the statistics...half of humanity is male the other is female,
and humanity could be compared to a bird flying on two wings.
If one wing is stronger than the other the bird cannot fly. Baha'i analogy...

If men and women were to be equal in every way, like women are as physically strong as men, and men are as emotionally strong as women, then why would we need a gender apart from only sex? And why can we have sex with another rather than being hermaphrodites? Personally, I do not care if a man is physically stronger than me (unless I got attacked) and I kinda like it...

Differences in genders may give rise to the opportunity of team work and collaboration...

Angels are higher level androgynous, and I don't think that we (as a human race) are anywhere near that stage yet...the higher self is genderless (?)...

But we are human (here and now)...and to me, gender seems to be a part of being (in) human (form) so how I am also seeing it is...to make peace before the human race is androgynous...and does androgyny mean that we will be at peace? How can we make peace between the genders while internally being "androgynous" if we cannot even make it before (or even reach that stage)...?

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
In my opinion it's all about bringing both energies into balance within. Balance in the external world will sprout naturally from that. In this world many men aren't into tune with the feminine energies, and many women aren't into tune with the masculine energies.

I do believe that we need balance, but that it does not have to be 50:50 male and female for every person...for some, yes...whatever is right or natural for the person...imo...are we all meant to be the same? (what's the fun in that!? hehe )

[Skyhaven]

Forgive me Amethyst if I wander off from the intended path of this thread.

In my opinion the feminine and masculine energies can be directly linked to the right and the left part of the brain. We all have both parts regardless our sex. So the most intuitive thought I have regarding to this fact, is that the both should work together in harmony, and not overpower each other.

[chocolate]

This particular world is based on electromagnetism, i.e. the balance between the electric and the magnetic component of the current.

Electric is masculine. Moving forward. { Sun. Light. Father. Expansion }
Magnetic is feminine. Creating stabilizing force. { Mother=matter Earth, Water, Void=Darkness=vacuum, contraction }

They BOTH exist together, and need to be in balance. In every human being, which in itself is a small universe.
Otherwise the system becomes unstable.
For reference, look around.

No, we are not the same, never have been in this type of existence, and will never be.
The differences are subtle, on one level, and more pronounced on another.

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http://www.onenessofall.com/Marilyn10.html
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snipped this from Wind's thread

[Natalia]

Posted by chocolate (here)
This particular world is based on electromagnetism, i.e. the balance between the electric and the magnetic component of the current.

Electric is masculine. Moving forward. { Sun. Light. Father. Expansion }
Magnetic is feminine. Creating stabilizing force. { Mother=matter Earth, Water, Void=Darkness=vacuum, contraction }

They BOTH exist together, and need to be in balance. In every human being, which in itself is a small universe.
Otherwise the system becomes unstable.
For reference, look around.

No, we are not the same, never have been in this type of existence, and will never be.
The differences are subtle, on one level, and more pronounced on another.

---
http://www.onenessofall.com/Marilyn10.html

That's a really good article. I have had a problem with being too feminine as I used to be an unassertive overly passive doormat for years...a psychic said that I needed to grow more of the masculine, she said I lacked drive and was too scared to show any anger and assertiveness and speak my voice...I've got a bit better in that way but still not neutral (which is not what she meant for me to aim to be) and I feel that is right for me, I'm not here to be 50 percent fem and 50 percent masc...it's good that we can know who we are...it's also about being more "empowered" in a feminine way...

[chocolate]

The body is a metaphor, Amethyst, and so is 'sex' as in feminine / masculine.
Empowerment comes with understanding, knowledge, experience. I am not an advocate of the feminine power v/s the masculine power. I have never been polarized to go into any extremes, in understanding and in expression.

Cheers,
another mystery solved

[ulli]

Posted by Amethyst (here)
It seems that everyone who has posted on this thread about this has expressed their own idealism of it...and our ideals differ in some ways...

Posted by ulli (here)
The bottom line, or should I say the top line, is that the spirit is sexless.
Duality poles are united in true spirituality.

Women need to become equal in every aspect so that their contribution to humanity's legislative bodies can cancel out the warmongering.
Just think about the statistics...half of humanity is male the other is female,
and humanity could be compared to a bird flying on two wings.
If one wing is stronger than the other the bird cannot fly. Baha'i analogy...

If men and women were to be equal in every way, like women are as physically strong as men, and men are as emotionally strong as women, then why would we need a gender apart from only sex? And why can we have sex with another rather than being hermaphrodites? Personally, I do not care if a man is physically stronger than me (unless I got attacked) and I kinda like it...

Differences in genders may give rise to the opportunity of team work and collaboration...

Angels are higher level androgynous, and I don't think that we (as a human race) are anywhere near that stage yet...the higher self is genderless (?)...

But we are human (here and now)...and to me, gender seems to be a part of being (in) human (form) so how I am also seeing it is...to make peace before the human race is androgynous...and does androgyny mean that we will be at peace? How can we make peace between the genders while internally being "androgynous" if we cannot even make it before (or even reach that stage)...?

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
In my opinion it's all about bringing both energies into balance within. Balance in the external world will sprout naturally from that. In this world many men aren't into tune with the feminine energies, and many women aren't into tune with the masculine energies.

I do believe that we need balance, but that it does not have to be 50:50 male and female for every person...for some, yes...whatever is right or natural for the person...imo...are we all meant to be the same? (what's the fun in that!? hehe )

Sorry, I did not mean "the same" but that they both have equal rights. Equal respect for the roles they play.
Look to humanity, and it's overwhelming needs, and if each contribute whatever they can be it masculine or feminine or androgynous energy we will all soon live in a better world.
People need to look more to wholeness, and don't worry too much about self, it only sucks them into narcissism.
There is too much neediness already. But the choice where to place one's energy must be left to the individual to decide.

[Natalia]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Amethyst (here)
It seems that everyone who has posted on this thread about this has expressed their own idealism of it...and our ideals differ in some ways...

Posted by ulli (here)
The bottom line, or should I say the top line, is that the spirit is sexless.
Duality poles are united in true spirituality.

Women need to become equal in every aspect so that their contribution to humanity's legislative bodies can cancel out the warmongering.
Just think about the statistics...half of humanity is male the other is female,
and humanity could be compared to a bird flying on two wings.
If one wing is stronger than the other the bird cannot fly. Baha'i analogy...

If men and women were to be equal in every way, like women are as physically strong as men, and men are as emotionally strong as women, then why would we need a gender apart from only sex? And why can we have sex with another rather than being hermaphrodites? Personally, I do not care if a man is physically stronger than me (unless I got attacked) and I kinda like it...

Differences in genders may give rise to the opportunity of team work and collaboration...

Angels are higher level androgynous, and I don't think that we (as a human race) are anywhere near that stage yet...the higher self is genderless (?)...

But we are human (here and now)...and to me, gender seems to be a part of being (in) human (form) so how I am also seeing it is...to make peace before the human race is androgynous...and does androgyny mean that we will be at peace? How can we make peace between the genders while internally being "androgynous" if we cannot even make it before (or even reach that stage)...?

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
In my opinion it's all about bringing both energies into balance within. Balance in the external world will sprout naturally from that. In this world many men aren't into tune with the feminine energies, and many women aren't into tune with the masculine energies.

I do believe that we need balance, but that it does not have to be 50:50 male and female for every person...for some, yes...whatever is right or natural for the person...imo...are we all meant to be the same? (what's the fun in that!? hehe )

Sorry, I did not mean "the same" but that they both have equal rights. Equal respect for the roles they play.
Look to humanity, and it's overwhelming needs, and if each contribute whatever they can be it masculine or feminine or androgynous energy we will all soon live in a better world.
People need to look more to wholeness, and don't worry too much about self, it only sucks them into narcissism.
There is too much neediness already. But the choice where to place one's energy must be left to the individual to decide.

I agree with what you have said about equality and wholeness. but also want to add that, at times, I think it's important for people to know who they really are...especially when society and others have told them that they are something that they are not and something inside wants to connect with and understand (well enough) true self, which to me isn't narcissism, but yes, it can go too far (worrying about self and what others think of you, social anxiety).

[sigma6]

Couldn't resist... :D
Another opposite gender with some aggressive energy,
but who can't resist her "feminine" sexual energy... lol!
I think in real life guys would be too intimidated, (but I wouldn't! O.o ...what a rock goddess! )

I still love Joan Jett, I remember seeing her in 1982 ... what a show...

I think this vid is funny and cute... haha! I think people underestimate Joan's ability to perform artistically and take her too literally...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gd6CqLyiGJU