Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Violet]

What I love about art is the one thing art education seems to hate. A free view. A free perception of what is presented to you. In school they teach you that the impressionists lived in such era with such and such political climate and that this pencil stroke right here at the right top angle must mean no other than...a call for rebellion. Same with literature. Thomas Moore lived in such century in this area and because of his Irish background and political upheavals these words must mean no other than...a cry for freedom. Now, please, memorise.

Likewise, if the artist/writer h(er)imself left no such room and just said: I painted that bridge, that's all there is. I wrote about the war, what more is there to say, it would do great injustice to the subtle layers that creep into even planned work. That is why, if any spectator/reader finds those subtle layers, they should not be denounced all at once. And that is the true richness and luxury of the arts.

But to make a long story short I had the same question about the old lady. I thought it might mean something like: the past is still here, or, things don't change all that much, continuity.

[meeradas]

Good morning, and good nite.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NWhS-DZSTDc

I mean it.

[RunningDeer]

Sandy lost her Brother three weeks ago.

Post #17

I just lost my younger brother to suicide 3 weeks ago so this is a very raw topic for me. It seems that the synchronicity of the topic of this thread at this sad time in my life is meant to be and to be spoken out loud....

post # 20

Posted by sandy
Thank you for your words and kind thoughts Verdilac and Kindling............they touch my heart and bring tears and help wash away some of the anguish and make room for feelings of Love and Gratitude for all the other many blessings in my life.

RunningDeer <3

[eaglespirit]

Posted by donk (here)

are the Controllers "not" us?

Well, they are not ME, I continue to prove that in through the episode today, in dealing with someone that totally NEEDS to be controller of everything, a Yertle the Turtle is there ever was one.



This jam started on TV and went to dreams, which reminds me of Inception…the controllers are those that allowed a parasite, an idea, that control enhances their experience, that no one else’s experience matters.

That is not me. I watch, like you—to learn about a phenomenon I can’t understand because it is not a part of my being. It is not a distraction to me, it is a window into ideas. I can’t get on board with the idea that deception is a way to realize an experience you believe you want. It is not who I am. I don’t think the type of creature I am is unique, in fact, I am convinced we are being tricked into believing that very thought: that we are responsible for all that we find ourselves in.

I feel it is my personal responsibility to change the reality to one with less deception. I am called to seek out self-deception, and to project that outwards, finding similar creatures who are not satisfied living in lies.

...taking control dissipates deception, imho...my suggestion of taking control is in accordance with my 'higher' enhancer by default...it is a gratitude, humility, self- responsibility garnerer

My suggestion has not a thing to do with controlling Others...it IS all embracing self-enhancement and self-responsibility of the highest orders in a selfless entrainment that energizes the space all around...the Love is felt by those in that space and They either enjoy or are a bit set aback.

No words need to be spoken in most encounters for it is the initial reaction felt that carries the probability of union of thoughts onto a common 'higher road' path which becomes the conductor of conversation when the probability becomes possibility becomes in-the-now-higher-happening.

TAKE Control of YOU !!!



...and this is not directed at You, Donk...just clarification.

Thank You for sharing all You have lately : )

[ulli]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)

Posted by donk (here)

are the Controllers "not" us?

Well, they are not ME, I continue to prove that in through the episode today, in dealing with someone that totally NEEDS to be controller of everything, a Yertle the Turtle is there ever was one.



This jam started on TV and went to dreams, which reminds me of Inception…the controllers are those that allowed a parasite, an idea, that control enhances their experience, that no one else’s experience matters.

That is not me. I watch, like you—to learn about a phenomenon I can’t understand because it is not a part of my being. It is not a distraction to me, it is a window into ideas. I can’t get on board with the idea that deception is a way to realize an experience you believe you want. It is not who I am. I don’t think the type of creature I am is unique, in fact, I am convinced we are being tricked into believing that very thought: that we are responsible for all that we find ourselves in.

I feel it is my personal responsibility to change the reality to one with less deception. I am called to seek out self-deception, and to project that outwards, finding similar creatures who are not satisfied living in lies.

...taking control dissipates deception, imho...my suggestion of taking control is in accordance with my 'higher' enhancer by default...it is a gratitude, humility, self- responsibility garnerer

My suggestion has not a thing to do with controlling Others...it IS all embracing self-enhancement and self-responsibility of the highest orders in a selfless entrainment that energizes the space all around...the Love is felt by those in that space and They either enjoy or are a bit set aback.

No words need to be spoken in most encounters for it is the initial reaction felt that carries the probability of union of thoughts onto a common 'higher road' path which becomes the conductor of conversation when the probability becomes possibility becomes in-the-now-higher-happening.

TAKE Control of YOU !!!



...and this is not directed at You, Donk...just clarification.

Thank You for sharing all You have lately : )

Agreed.
Spirituality is the way to go to become radiant.
The more one sends one's energies out, more energy is replenished from within, like from the inside of a cornucopia.
That's what I meant about becoming the creators of our utopian vision. Once one knows that the vision one holds dear will lead to reality, and one operates from hope, and even certitude, nothing can stop it becoming.
Then radiance follows, and becomes steady. No more need to be a suction cup, ever again.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Just like everything else I go hunting up, the good stuff must be hidden. Or...I didn't find what I was looking for, so it wasn't time for me to find it. Who knows.

Moving on...

Or, you did Not include HooDoo in your search....

That quote was terrible, that I deleted from this reply. It signifies much that is wrong in western consciousness. If western culture had not forgotten the Ancestors in the first place, we would not have such destruction today. We lost much to the conquests of Catholicism which ravaged the indigenous cultures all over Europe and replaced such knowledge with their religion of priestly dominance.

Try combinations of ancestor, altar, hoodoo, worship, stuff like that, and you will be reminded.

[araucaria]

This turtle picture is either being misinterpreted or the picture itself is a misinterpretation. The original story is of Atlas holding up the world and Atlas being held up by a turtle, and thereafter it is ‘turtles all the way down’. Hence ‘turtles all the way up’ should not mean that we are at the bottom of a pyramid of exploiters, but simply that we are part of an infinite string of turtles holding each other up and being held up.
http://www.quijano.net/tq/turtlesymbolism.html

[1inMany]

Posted by Amethyst (here)
Right now, I am up early with huge blistery and/or red, very itchy rashes all over my body due to allergic reaction to something (antibiotics? supplements? cats? dust? anything?)...I had an allergic reaction on Tuesday while on antibiotics (which I stopped then as well as all supplements), then got steroids (to take for 5 days) and anti histamines, it went down after some hours...but yesterday morning a rash developed on my hips, spoke to a doctor who said to get allergy tests...then last night the reaction spread and got a lot worse, even worse than when I first had it before the current medication to control it...I phoned up the NHS Direct helpline (really good service, IMO) and they arranged for an off hours doctor to call me...she said it's a strong allergic reaction as I am on steroids and that is very strong...and she said go to the doctors tomorrow, show them and perhaps they will give you different anti histamines...now my eyes have inflamed a little and are a bit red...I feel/know I will be ok so don't worry but just got to find out what is causing this...I stood out to me that the nurse on the end of the phone asked me if I had had a vaccination recently, and I said yes 3 and a half months ago I had the Hepatitis B jab (at work, not that I wanted to...had just one of the shots) and that I came down with a bad virus a few weeks later and have been ill since...so what is going on? Now I feel like I demand to know!

Hi Amethyst,

My daughter, Em, has developed allergies to things she was never allergic to when she was younger. Seems she is now allergic to cleaning solutions. She was helping at the herb store a while back and was using something all natural to help clean up there, and developed a red rash from that, too. (Sounds like she has an allergy to cleaning, hahaha.) The herbalist gave her a tincture made from stinging nettle, she takes a dropperful any time she starts getting a rash. This stuff has been a godsend at our house. As a matter of fact, D (my grandson) has allergies. When I came to stay awhile, I brought a bottle so he could try it also. He has seasonal allergies, or possibly environmental, but his present as sinus trouble and congestion. Of course, he is terribly allergic to bug bites also. I gave him half a dropperful twice a day for about a week, and he has no sign of so much as a sniffle.

Just a thought.

Much love,

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Amethyst (here)
Right now, I am up early with huge blistery and/or red, very itchy rashes all over my body due to allergic reaction to something (antibiotics? supplements? cats? dust? anything?)...I had an allergic reaction on Tuesday while on antibiotics (which I stopped then as well as all supplements), then got steroids (to take for 5 days) and anti histamines, it went down after some hours...but yesterday morning a rash developed on my hips, spoke to a doctor who said to get allergy tests...then last night the reaction spread and got a lot worse, even worse than when I first had it before the current medication to control it...I phoned up the NHS Direct helpline (really good service, IMO) and they arranged for an off hours doctor to call me...she said it's a strong allergic reaction as I am on steroids and that is very strong...and she said go to the doctors tomorrow, show them and perhaps they will give you different anti histamines...now my eyes have inflamed a little and are a bit red...I feel/know I will be ok so don't worry but just got to find out what is causing this...I stood out to me that the nurse on the end of the phone asked me if I had had a vaccination recently, and I said yes 3 and a half months ago I had the Hepatitis B jab (at work, not that I wanted to...had just one of the shots) and that I came down with a bad virus a few weeks later and have been ill since...so what is going on? Now I feel like I demand to know!

Amethyst,

You are "drinking pharmaceutical soup."

IMHO, you are being too trusting of Western medicine and acquiescing to their proclivity to "treat" everything with pills and injections. If you keep going back to them, you'll end up on half a dozen medications. Antibiotics destroy gut flora necessary for health. Gut health rules your health, to a great extent. Some pills are critically important and can mean the difference between life-or-death, but even the vast majority (I want to say "all", but I won't) of those medicines have natural remedies as alternatives. Most natural remedies are MUCH gentler on your body.

Your skin is your body's major eliminative organ. Toxins come out through the skin and can cause pimples and rashes. The original UTI would have gotten relief in hours and would probably have been cured in a couple of days with pure cranberry juice - and your body has now been assaulted by 2 antibiotics plus steroids instead. There are many different gut flora - hundreds of them - and your vibrant health depends on them being in balance with one another and with your body (and it could take weeks, even months, to regain balance after antibiotics.) For me to take a pharmaceutical antibiotic, I'd have to be convinced that my life depended on it (ulli just went through one of those.)

Water - pure water - and lots of it, organic herbal teas, organic fruits will help your body cleanse itself, and you may need to take probiotics and/or eat fermented foods to help your gut recover.

I wish you vibrant health, sister!

Dennis

[araucaria]

Tying together a couple of strands here – art/life, bones/ancestors (vs dinosaurs), taking control of self, and also laughter on Curt’s thread (told ya he’d be back!).

With reference to the skull brain/belly brain dynamic I have been discussing in recent posts, laughter can activate either the belly brain (humour) or the skull brain (wit), or, better still, both. Wit in French is ‘esprit’, which also means mind, or spirit, in every sense of the word except liquor. So a witticism is a spirited remark. ‘Spirituel’ means both witty and spiritual. I guess spirits (spiritueux) are so called because they also go to your head. I finally got to read on and around the Day of the Dead the book I mentioned a little earlier, Qatastrophe by Claude Ollier. The hero Qvell crosses over into a kind of purgatory. At the entrance he is met by a customs officer who says to him ‘pas d’esprit’ (none of your wit), which is itself quite funny since if you can’t bring your spirit or ghost, what can you bring? But it is a little more cerebral than the average St Peter at the pearly gates joke. http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/qu...rly_gates.html

Normally speaking, bones and skeletons are what you do leave behind and if they symbolize anything, it is by default everything that they are not, such as ancestors. But on the contrary, what we get is the very opposite, the memento mori stuff: remember that you are dust (pulvis/pulveris in Latin), and don’t you ever forget, you are going to be pulverized. But this is a trickster ghost of a customs officer, and Qvell has to have his wits about him: that is part of the process, and success leads to a gradual return of his physical powers. He first goes on trial, and as a copyist in life he is defended by an Ibis, a figure recalling Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing. His accusers complain that he worked sloppily, altered the text of his copies, signed his copies and even signed the originals – in other words behaved like a creative writer. But he is not convicted: in a sense, he is at home among the mirages and deceptions of this world. Likewise, when commissioned by a goddess Isis-type figure called Qveer to make 14 copies of her map, he is not punished for producing anomalies that were in the original anyway (Isis’s own reconstruction of Osiris from 14 pieces was incomplete). In another incident, he and his alter ego, Qveen the musician, are assigned a home and a plot of land to cultivate. They meet some neighbours, fat and lazy loungers, yet whose garden is full of things to eat. They are told that the secret to doing no work is to remove a statuette placed by a loved one in your grave and place it on the rooftop; this way, some earthling will do your work for you. Qveen is wary of following this lead, but Qvell robs his own grave, and is thrown out because he has failed this particular test: it was all a trick. He ends up back on earth as a copyist, but copying a foreign language, so he has no room for creativity. Why he ends up back on earth is clearly because he is still feeding off the earth, which amounts to copying slavishly with no input from the other side. The creative one is in fact the union of Qvell and Qveen, the scribe and the musician, the one in the material world, the other in the other world.


The moral of the story seems to be that what passes down below for slouching/inaccuracy with respect to an original, seen as complete, is seen as creativity in the beyond, exploiting the potential of incompleteness; in other words, creativity involves opening up an apparently closed system. But this involves not laziness but a little hard work. We are not here for a free lunch, we are here to make our personal creative input. Control over others is sponging, all take and no give; control over self leads to self-sufficiency, a prerequisite for sharing. The ‘free energy’, more correctly ‘sustainable energy’, in giving of oneself lies in this ability to renew oneself by producing and consuming sustenance, when one without that ability or work ethic will simply be sucked dry. It is not for nothing that the belly brain is located in the belly. And it is not for nothing that the belly comes with a pair of arms and legs rather than a remote control.

[PurpleLama]

The doomed dinosaur thread met its predictable demise, and not for nothing, having the silly claim that dinosaurs never existed. Yet, numerous points within the article that the article quoted from which in turn was quoted in the original post of the thread were indeed true to the science of paleontology. It is not at all unknown to the science that the discovery of a few bones of some hitherto unknown species might lead some scientist to draw on the sum of their knowledge of such things as bones and dinosaurs and such to dream up the rest of the incomplete creature, and should such be accepted by their peers, to have it passed off as the whole thing when only few parts were ever present. In spite of the posturings of scientists, much more is not known than ever will be when it comes to the big scary lizards that once roamed the earth.

[donk]

Posted by araucaria (here)
This turtle picture is either being misinterpreted or the picture itself is a misinterpretation. The original story is of Atlas holding up the world and Atlas being held up by a turtle, and thereafter it is ‘turtles all the way down’. Hence ‘turtles all the way up’ should not mean that we are at the bottom of a pyramid of exploiters, but simply that we are part of an infinite string of turtles holding each other up and being held up.
http://www.quijano.net/tq/turtlesymbolism.html

You should read the story, it's fantastic. I am fairly certain Dr. Suess agrees with you....I cherry picked one of the better images of one page.

And after that one, The Lorax...then The Butter Battle Book.



Should be required reading. For adults.

He says nothing new to anyone here, however I just love the way he says it.

[Natalia]

Hi all, and thanks for your support, and Dennis, I agree with you and perhaps needed to hear what you said <3. Feel drained now just came back from hospital (long story) and the doctor said that he was sure that it was the antibiotic (Nitrofurantoin) that caused it and that it is a complicated drug and he was questioning who gave it to me and gave that disapproving look like it should not have been given to me even though allergic reaction to it like this is rare (but he said "nasty"), perhaps because I have not been well in the first place...he said what had happened was not only a delayed reaction to it but also that my immune system has been triggered and kept going even though there was not more antigen (antibiotic) left...so it kinda went out of control...I should be ok now...maybe I'll start cranberry juice, and the only supplements that I will take soon will be probiotics (which I have in the fridge already) as they are essential after antibiotics...I'll read more posts on here later when I've rested enough...

Love,

Amethyst <3

[Taurean]

You don't expect to see this in the MSM.

Pharmaceutical industry gets high on fat profits

Imagine an industry that generates higher profit margins than any other and is no stranger to multi-billion dollar fines for malpractice.

Throw in widespread accusations of collusion and over-charging, and banking no doubt springs to mind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28212223

[dan33]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
i watch a lot of tv series. Movies too, but the shows out now are pretty intense. I tell others it is research but they do not believe me. It is. Most are not aware of the extent of collaboration between the PTB and the film industry even though the connection is relatively well documented.


And that's just a few of the shows that are on TV. In ALL of these shows, the good guys, the ones we identify with, are sociopaths at least, some are psychopaths. They have codes, ie morals, and so because they fight for the perceptive good side they are to be seen as good people, no matter the horrors they engage in.

I'm with you Rahkyt.
I really love tv series and some characters are dark side. I see these characters from the distance. Like the plot or the acting.

I saw Jack Weber on THE FOLLOWING. His role is a psychotic. Recalling his role in MEDIUM, I peed laughing seeing him on that character. The drama becomes a comedy.


Oooh! ... and i like Patricia Arquette.



DEXTER. One of the best introduction i've ever seen. A psychopath "educated"?. "I only kill psychopaths".

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ej8-Rqo-VT4

Fringe was a great series. Alternate timelines, worlds colliding. It was the continuation, it felt like, of the X-files.

SUPERNATURAL has many members from the X FILES series. Producers and writers.

[WhiteFeather]

Hello Villagers, yep it's been awhile since stopping by. So Here and Now i just finished watching this. Awesome Cinematography. If you haven't watched it. Enjoy my Kolas.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nDV65NLIdHE

[Pris]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Amethyst (here)
Right now, I am up early with huge blistery and/or red, very itchy rashes all over my body due to allergic reaction to something (antibiotics? supplements? cats? dust? anything?)...I had an allergic reaction on Tuesday while on antibiotics (which I stopped then as well as all supplements), then got steroids (to take for 5 days) and anti histamines, it went down after some hours...but yesterday morning a rash developed on my hips, spoke to a doctor who said to get allergy tests...then last night the reaction spread and got a lot worse, even worse than when I first had it before the current medication to control it...I phoned up the NHS Direct helpline (really good service, IMO) and they arranged for an off hours doctor to call me...she said it's a strong allergic reaction as I am on steroids and that is very strong...and she said go to the doctors tomorrow, show them and perhaps they will give you different anti histamines...now my eyes have inflamed a little and are a bit red...I feel/know I will be ok so don't worry but just got to find out what is causing this...I stood out to me that the nurse on the end of the phone asked me if I had had a vaccination recently, and I said yes 3 and a half months ago I had the Hepatitis B jab (at work, not that I wanted to...had just one of the shots) and that I came down with a bad virus a few weeks later and have been ill since...so what is going on? Now I feel like I demand to know!

Amethyst,

You are "drinking pharmaceutical soup."

IMHO, you are being too trusting of Western medicine and acquiescing to their proclivity to "treat" everything with pills and injections. If you keep going back to them, you'll end up on half a dozen medications. Antibiotics destroy gut flora necessary for health. Gut health rules your health, to a great extent. Some pills are critically important and can mean the difference between life-or-death, but even the vast majority (I want to say "all", but I won't) of those medicines have natural remedies as alternatives. Most natural remedies are MUCH gentler on your body.

I agree with Dennis that you are too trusting of Western medicine.

As Dennis said, we only wish you vibrant health, sister!

The following is not exactly a fun read, but very eye-opening. The Hepatitis B vaccine is brought up as well.


Posted on the 'Ebola Hoax' thread by turiya, post #72:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post894566



SUPERVIRUSES, CONTAMINATED VACCINES
AND THE CURRENT AND COMING PLAGUES
by: Horowitz, Leonard, DMD, MPH, Ph.D.


Dr. Horowitz received his doctorate in behavioural sciences from Tufts University and his Master of Public Health from Harvard University. He is a pioneer in self- care motivation psychology and healthy human development. He is the author of more than 80 articles and scientific reports, and the best-selling book Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola - Nature, Accident or Genocide? His latest book is Gulf War Syndrome: The Spreading Epidemic Cover-Up.

This article is based upon mostly historical or scientific facts which are all well documented. Government documents including Litton contracts for development of AIDS and Ebola-like viruses are reprinted in my book Emerging Viruses, AIDS and Ebola.

PLAGUES AND PESTILENCE The latest cancer epidemic rates predict that one out of every two people in North America will likely have cancer sometime over the next 25 years. We are in the period of the Great Tribulation as predicted in the book of Revelation, the Hopi prophecies of the American Indians, Edgar Cayce and Nostradamus. The book of Revelation says that approximately one third of the earth's population will be wiped out during the Great Tribulation by famine, beasts, pestilence and plagues. We have entered very clearly into the times of the great plagues.

VACCINES RELATED TO AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE Could vaccines be related to the current and coming plagues and epidemics, the autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, Gulf War syndrome, AIDS, Guillain-Barre, Lou Gehrig's syndrome (ALS), lupus, asthma, hay fever, allergies, meningitis, adult onset diabetes, chronic crippling rheumatoid arthritis, some of the bizarre cancers with no family history and other modern maladies? Indeed they are. Vaccine links to cancer are increasing prostate, lymphoma and breast cancer. These are the viruses they were using in their labs in the NCI.

DISCOVERING A GOVERNMENT COVERUP In 1990, I was chief professional advisor for a dental and medical supply company that was losing millions of dollars in the case of the Florida dentist who infected his patients with the AIDS virus. In the process of investigating the case, I discovered that the Center for Disease Control (CDC) had literally covered up almost all of the incriminating evidence against this dentist. It took me three years to figure out why. In my book Deadly Innocence, I concluded that this dentist had intentionally infected people with AIDS to express a vendetta he held against the government of the U.S., the CDC and the World Health Organization (WHO). He believed that they had created the AIDS virus in a lab and had intentionally infected the gay population of New York City with AIDS viruses during a 1978 experimental hepatitis B vaccine program. He contracted it himself from a colleague who had participated in the vaccine program in New York. He believed that this genocide was sill happening in the WHO's ongoing vaccine programs for blacks in central Africa. It was hard for me to believe all this, but he had left behind a document, a 1970 Department of Defence appropriations request for $10 million for a five year study to develop an immune system ravaging microorganism for germ warfare. This project was authorized by the most esteemed of all scientific agencies in America, the National Academy of Sciences and the National Research Council. In essence I followed a paper trail in the scientific literature and government documents, and I followed the money; scientists publish their research, and when they publish, they acknowledge the funding sources. My three year investigation is summarized in my book Emerging Viruses, AIDS and Ebola which documents the experimental research into the viruses which led to AIDS and the contaminated vaccines, as well as the financial grants which funded the research. The money went to Litton Bionetics research labs.

CREATION OF NEW VIRUSES TO SUPPRESS THE HUMAN IMMUNE SYSTEM Litton Industries right outside Toronto, makers of nuclear weapons and space aerotechnology, have a medical subsidiary called Litton Bionetics. Since 1972, all biological weapons research and development in the U.S. has proceeded under the guise of cancer research. Litton Bionetics ran the entire National Cancer Institute's (NCI) Fort Detrick, Maryland, cancer research facilities which is America's premier biological weapons testing center. Litton administered all the money going through the Fort Detrick facilities, administered all the programs and supplied all the viruses and all the monkeys. In addition, they held the contract to literally create numerous AIDS-like and Ebola-like viruses in a secret virus cancer program for which they got two million dollars a year over five years from 1962-1976. The director was Dr. Robert Gallo who was credited with the discovery of the AIDS virus in 1984. They took monkey viruses which were known to cause cancer in most animals, and began to recombine these with almost every cancer virus known. They started with Simian Virus 40 (SV40) which was known in 1961 to cause cancer in virtually every animal it was injected into.

HOW THE MONKEYS BECAME CONTAMINATED WITH VIRUSES THAT COULD INFECT HUMANS Litton Bionetics supplied the monkeys to America's leading biological weapons developers as well as the world's leading vaccine developers and cancer researchers throughout the world. These chimpanzees and monkeys were previously involved in the viral research under Dr. Robert Gallo's supervision in which they took SV40, and human lymphoma viruses that they knew caused cancer of the human lymph nodes and other viruses which were known to cause cancer. These viruses were recombined and mutated and hybridized with a host of animal cancer viruses. Their favourite viruses to work with were the cat leukemia virus RNA which causes a whole list of symptoms similar to AIDS symptoms. Their second favourite virus was chicken leukemia sarcoma virus RNA which causes wasting and immunosuppression and death. These viruses were grown in monkeys which they later used to make the vaccines including the hepatitis B vaccine! At this point they still had trouble infecting humans. To get the virus to jump species into humans, another mutation was required, so they cultured it in human white blood cells in some studies and human fetal tissue cell cultures in other studies so it would adapt. It developed what is called the attachment apparatus that allowed unique GP120-like proteins to develop on the outside membrane of these unique man-constructed viruses. These GP120-like proteins allowed these new viruses to attach to the human cells, to be carried across the membranes and enter the gene of the human cells and do virtually everything the AIDS virus does today. The attachment apparatus in the AIDS virus is called GP120 protein. This is all documented in the scientific literature. 99% of the scientists who did this research are humanitarians; they were cancer researchers. It is only the very top people who knew what was going on, people like Dr. Gallo and Peter Duesberg, the chicken-leukemia sarcoma virus expert.

CONTAMINATED MONKEYS WERE USED IN VACCINE RESEARCH Going back to 1965, in New York City, Saul Krugman at New York University Medical Center was studying the hepatitis B virus, known to be a strong cofactor for cancer. He began to inoculate hundreds of mentally retarded children at Willowbrook with these cancer viruses for the purpose of testing these viruses on human beings and developing hepatitis B vaccines. Of course many of the children died, but they studied various vaccines until 1970. When they were close to developing a vaccine to prevent hepatitis, Krugman give the project over to Dr. Maurice Hilleman. Dr. Hilleman was Merck, Sharpe and Dohme's top vaccine developer at the time, and directed the principle research laboratory for vaccines in New York City. At this point, Litton sent Hilleman rhesus monkeys, chimpanzees and other monkeys contaminated with cancer viruses from Litton monkey colonies in Africa for use in making these vaccines, specifically the 1974 experimental hepatitis B vaccine. According to Hilleman, 70% of their caged laboratory animals were hideously contaminated with a whole assortment of cancer viruses and herpes-type viruses scientifically linked today to immune dysfunction, neurological problems and cancers. The caged monkeys had been infected with 40 different viruses while sitting in a confined space in group holding cells en route to the U.S. At this point the African greens were imported from Africa via another route to avoid this problem, but they were already contaminated with AIDS viruses and other viruses. Hilleman grew the hepatitis B viruses in these contaminated chimpanzees and extracted the live viruses out of these animals. They prepared the vaccine in 1972-73 and administered 200,000 doses in 1974. So along with the hepatitis B viruses came all the herpes type viruses like cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr, herpes B and all of a sudden you begin to hear about herpes in the late 1970's and chronic fatigue immune dysfunction which made its appearance in 1978.

HILLEMAN'S TAPED INTERVIEW In a 1986 interview with WGBH in Boston (*this original interview is included on Dr. Horowitz's Vaccination tape) Dr. Hilleman admitted, "I brought the AIDS virus into North America in contaminated African greens although I didn't know it at the time." He further stated that the vaccines that Merck was producing at that time were hideously contaminated and unfortunately still are today. He said the yellow fever vaccine produced in these animals was full of leukemia viruses, and the Sabin's oral polio vaccine was hideously contaminated with Simian Virus 40 (SV40) and other cancer viruses. This SV40 virus today still contaminates the oral polio vaccines that we are giving our children with as many as 100 Simian monkey cancer virus contaminants per dose. The vaccines are still being made in contaminated monkey kidney tissue as they were in the late 50's and early 60's. This is sanctioned by the FDA who must turn a blind eye because of proprietary laws and non-disclosure agreements placed upon them by the Rockefeller-led pharmaceutical industry. Hilleman said on this tape that they had just inoculated the contaminated polio vaccine containing the cancer viruses into well over 100 million people around the world, mostly in Russia. Hilleman himself admitted in this interview with WGBH that these vaccines produced in contaminated chimpanzees, rhesus monkeys and other monkeys, have brought on these current and coming plagues. And Maurice Hilleman developed the vaccines that most plausibly delivered AIDS to the world.

SUMMARY OF THE VACCINE PROGRAM WHICH INITIATED AIDS Hilleman (who was recently awarded the Sabin Gold Medal of Honour award for service to American medicine in military by President Clinton) created 200,000 doses of the 1974 experimental hepatitis B vaccine. First he extracted the viruses out of the live animals with all the contaminants, and injected them into the children at Willowbrook, the gay men in New York City and blacks in central Africa. Many of those people died, but the ones who lived were used to create the vaccine. They took the blood from these people, separated the whole cells from the serum, then created the vaccine from the serum, and that is what they used to make the 200,000 doses of the 1974 experimental hepatitis B vaccine that once again they inoculated into the gay men of New York and blacks in central Africa. Ten years previously, these human beings who were given the vaccine had been given the polio vaccines, the hideously contaminated Salk and Sabin polio vaccines which were cultured in monkey kidney tissues contaminated with the monkey viruses. So these human subjects from which they made the vaccine had been human incubation chambers for monkey viruses for about a decade previously. So it truly was an accident waiting to happen.

WE NEED A FORMAL INVESTIGATION Bernice Eddy, who was a wonderful human being, was in charge of testing these vaccines for contamination way back in the late 50's and early 60's. She tried the Sabin vaccine on a dozen monkeys, first the Salk and then the Sabin, and discovered that all dozen monkeys keeled over dead or were paralyzed. She took pictures of the 12 dead and paralyzed monkeys and showed them to the director of the National Institute of Health who confiscated the photos and then demoted and defunded her. It took her until 1972 to get before Congress where she stated: "If you continue to allow these contaminated vaccines to go out, I guarantee you, over the next 20 years, you will have epidemics of cancer unlike the world has ever seen", and they didn't listen to her. Today we have those epidemics. We need to bring Hilleman (now dead) before Congress to be questioned about the information in this tape and have a formal investigation about these contaminated vaccines.

FOREIGN RNA AND DNA IN VACCINES How do the vaccines produce this type of injury? When you get vaccinated, you get a variety of bacterial, viral and other contaminants such as the simian monkey viruses in the polio vaccines, as well as proteins pumped into your blood stream. The foreign RNA and foreign DNA in the vaccines are not the contaminant, but the primary ingredient. When these substances enter your body, they glob on to your human tissues; for instance, some of them might attach to the myelin sheaths surrounding the nerve fibres. Now you have what is called an antigenic complex which is a complex of a foreign viral particle, a bacterial particle, or a foreign DNA in your own host cell protein which represents an entire antigenic complex which the body now recognizes as foreign, and so it now mounts an immune response against the entire complex. This is called an autoimmune response - your body starts attacking itself. Some of the antibodies that your body creates, some of your white blood cells, macrophages and lymphocytes attack your own host cell proteins. This foreign RNA and DNA are mutant recombinant fragments of RNA and DNA, and they also get into your cells, and combine with your genes and cause genetic mutations within your own cells, creating mutant hybrid cells, giving rise to precancerous cells and precancerous diseases. They don't even tell you where the foreign RNA and DNA comes from. Why? Because they may not even know. And that's modern science! In the Bible it says "Don't create hybrid seeds of any kind."

UNDISCLOSED VACCINE INGREDIENTS They tell you some of the complications associated with these vaccines, but they really don't tell you all of them, and they don't tell you many of the contaminants or the ingredients. The ingredients of the chicken pox vaccine produced by Merck are listed as "monosodium glutamate (MSG), formaldehyde (formalin), aluminum, mercury, herpes viruses (meaning it could have numerous ones like cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr, herpes B) and foreign RNA and DNA".

PERIOD OF IMMUNITY They tell us now that when we get vaccinated the immunity does not last. Every seven to ten years you have to get revaccinated with booster shots; whereas a natural exposure to the virus imparts life long immunity and 98% of people exposed in this way never develop any chronic long term illnesses. They recover.

RISKS AND LASTING EFFECTS OF HEPATITIS B Every time you get inoculated with a vaccine, the package tells you what the risks are. With hepatitis B for instance, 15% of people get a little redness and swelling at the site of the inoculation. 14% develop a little flu-like symptoms or fever. 12-13% develop worse flu-like symptoms, higher fever lasting maybe a week or two. Now we as parents start worrying, don't we? 9-10% develop even longer flu-like symptoms, higher fevers maybe 105 degrees. Now we really start to worry. 6-8% develop potentially long term chronic illness. 3 to 4% even worse illnesses, and finally the last 1% develop serious injuries. These serious injuries are death, brain damage or chronic crippling rheumatoid arthritis. You don't read a word about this in the media. My sister-in-law, a brilliant microbiologist, after getting a hepatitis B vaccine, the next day got a high high fever, became extremely ill for two weeks, and then began to develop chronic crippling rheumatoid arthritis. Today she can barely hold her infant because her hands are so swollen. This is a woman who used to climb the Rockies every weekend with her husband. That vaccines are safe and effective is the greatest lie ever told. How effective are these vaccines when a lot of people still develop the illnesses against which they were vaccinated, like pertussis, whooping cough and measles?

GULF WAR SYNDROME Gulf War syndrome is associated with an experimental AIDS vaccine administered to unsuspecting troops. Pentagon officials have contacted me and told me they totally agree with my work, and that they are concerned about the intentional contamination of the vaccines given to the 700,000 Gulf War veterans. 200,000 of these veterans are suffering with Gulf War syndrome. More than 20,000 have already died of it. And they are now injecting a new anthrax vaccine into some million additional military personnel which definitely has not been tested long term and has major risks. And it requires periodic revaccinations.

POLIO VACCINE LINKED TO MENINGITIS How effective and how safe are these vaccines? In my home state of Massachusetts, the first year that they gave inoculations, there was a 642% increase in polio cases that year. Then after 1966, the polio cases disappeared and now we have meningitis. There is a lot of growing scientific evidence that suggests that the weakened oral polio virus used in Sabin's vaccines that we are getting today are causing neurological problems.

PERTUSSIN VACCINE This is a particularly risky vaccine. When a child gets the PPT vaccine, they may begin to have respiratory arrest, and at any time within weeks of getting the vaccine, they could have Sudden Infant Death (SIDS) as part of a whole spectrum of reactions including high fever and pains, swelling, diarrhea, projectile vomiting, sleepiness, sleeplessness, high pitched screaming, uncontrollable crying, seizures, convulsions, collapse, shock, breathing problems, brain damage and Sudden Infant Death (SIDS).

FLU VACCINES My mother died in 1993 of Guillain-Barre, scientifically shown to be linked to first the swine flu vaccines of 1975 and subsequently the other flu vaccines. Guillain-Barre is a progressive autoimmune system related disorder which like all the other autoimmune related disorders are principally initiated by vaccines.

WHEN THEY ASK YOU IF YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE VACCINATED If you are ever asked if your children are vaccinated you say "Yep, she's all set, thank you". If you can't bring yourself to lie, then you say, "For spiritual and religious reasons we refuse to have our children vaccinated. If you will check with your CDC officials, they will tell you it's not mandatory." End of story. CDC has stated that vaccines are not mandatory. It is your choice. Although school administrators tell you that you can't get into school without these vaccinations, the fact is they have exemption forms for spiritual or religious reasons. Dr. Zoltan Rona explained today that you can insist on having these, have it notarized and signed. No more threats. If you are a health care professional such as a hygienist, dentist, doctor, technician, police officer or fire official and are told you must get hepatitis B and other vaccines or you can't work there, you can say: "O.K., I will do it under one condition. You provide me with a bonded notarized affidavit that swears that you will assume all medical legal and financial risks in the event that I or my child is injured from the vaccine". They will never do that.

DR. LANCTOT'S CASE Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, the author of The Medical Mafia fought the Canadian government and the Canadian Medical Association who threatened to take away her medical licence because she refused to vaccinate her patients. She called Dr. W. John Martin who wrote the forward to my book to testify at her case and it was dismissed. Dr. Martin is one of the world's leading vaccine contamination analysts. He worked as the FDA's Bureau of Biologics director between 1976 and 1980 in charge of testing human vaccines for contamination. In the forward of my book he stated: "All of today's live viral vaccines are potentially contaminated. They may be bringing diseases and this is not necessary. They could have been cleaned up but they refused to clean them up." They will never ever want this truth to come out. Dr. Lanctot now travels around the world educating people about vaccines.

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BACKGROUND POLITICS OF THE CONTAMINATED VACCINES

HENRY KISSINGER No epidemic in earth's history has ever evolved without major social and political upheaval, so you have to examine the decade prior to 1978 when the first AIDS cases emerged. Going back to 1968, Henry Kissinger was appointed National Security Advisor, which made him the most powerful man in American intelligence, overseeing the FBI, CIA and foreign policy. Almost immediately, Kissinger selected the option to develop immune system ravaging microorganisms for germ warfare as an alternative to nuclear weapons. You must create the organisms, and then test them where the hand of America will not show. Where is that? Central Africa, Zaire and Angola, the heart of the African AIDS belt and close to ground zero for the first Ebola virus outbreak. AIDS is a lousy biological weapon, but it is a fabulous population reducing agent. Ebola is an ideal weapon. It kills nine out of ten people within three weeks. It has proteolytic enzymes that turn your internal organs and blood vessels to mush. That is why it is far better than nuclear weapons. You still have all the infrastructure. Why destroy the property when you can own it? What is Kissinger's relationship to all this? You have to go back to 1955.

THE INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS WHO RUN THE WORLD In 1955 Kissinger was made the nuclear weapons study group director for the Council of Foreign Relations by Nelson Rockefeller. This is not a government agency. It is approximately 3,000 of the wealthiest most powerful military medical industrialists who dictate policy for all of the heads of state who are all puppets. The international banksters run the world. They are the international bankers, international industrialists, and medical and military industrialists.

THE NEW WORLD ORDER That same year (1955), Kissinger finished his Ph.D. thesis at Harvard entitled The Meaning of History in which he describes the contemporary evolution of the New World Order. You can pull his thesis off the shelf in the stacks in the library at Harvard. The phrase, New World Order, was made famous by George Bush who frequently talked about it. You have to be blind if you don't see that this one world government agenda is rapidly unfolding. Also in 1955, Bertrand Russell, who is from an aristocratic English family with ties to high level British intelligence and the shadow governors (banksters), wrote in his book The Impact of Science on Society: "I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. War has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. There are three ways of securing a society whose population is stable: birth control, infanticide or really destructive wars which creates general misery except for the powerful minority. These considerations prove that a scientific world society cannot be stable unless there is a world government with a monopoly of armed force."

NAZI MASS DEPARTURE FROM GERMANY Just before the end of WWII, Kissinger was godfather to Project Paperclip which was the exfiltration of approximately 2,000 Nazis out of Germany before the war's end, along with all the vast fortunes. Most people think all the Nazis went to the Nuremburg trials. Not true. Most were fined about $5,000 and jailed for a few years, then released to join their colleagues in America working for the CIA and intelligence for American industry. We have declassified documents to prove that 2000 came to the U.S. and 11,000 went to France. Seven books have already been written about it. Among the Nazis who got out were some of the most hideous names in contemporary history. In 1938, the Dulles brothers, the law firm which represented John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil, engineered the partnership between John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil and I.G. Farben, Germany's leading industrial organization which held the patent on the gas that killed millions of people. I.G. Farben and the Third Reich were inseparable partners, and the Rockefellers were partners with I.G. Farben. The American Red Cross, largely controlled by Rockefeller, supplied the Nazis with false identification. Laurance Rockefeller created the New York City Blood Council which became the international "blood banksters". These are the people who allowed countless people around the world to get HIV contaminated blood. They knew for years it was contaminated with HIV but they let it be used anyway.

THE CANCER INDUSTRY AND THE SUPPRESSION OF ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE In the 1920's Rockefeller and Sloan created the cancer industry. Also in the 20's, they had another agenda, the monopolization of American medicine, and it was determined that holistic therapies and alternative medicine were quackery and fraud.

EUGENICS In the same decade, an interesting union was forming between the Rockefeller family, Prescott Bush (George Bush's father), William Draper III, the Royal family in England, and a few other financiers who inspired the eugenics agenda. Eugenics simply means the study of the genetic differences between the races. It led to the racial hygiene laws, and the study of the genetic predisposition for diseases among the races. The racial hygiene laws that you think Hitler came up with were in fact originated in 1928 by the Rockefellers, Prescott Bush and the Royal family and others, aiming for population reduction and supremacy of the master race.

NAZI MONEY BURIED IN NEW CORPORATIONS At the end of the war Hitler ordered Martin Bormann, financial director of the Third Reich, to bury the treasure not only for Germany's economic recovery, but for the rise of the Fourth Reich. So Bormann buried it into 750 corporations as determined by their partners I.G. Farben and the Rockefellers, to establish a monopoly over the world's pharmaceutical and chemical industries because this would be essential for the "New Ordnung" or "New Order". Among the 750 corporations that received the money, one of the principle recipients was Merck and Co., the people who produced along with Dr. Hilleman the vaccine that plausibly delivered AIDS to the world. Merck has remained a major biological weapons contractor for CIA's top secret project NKNaomi, and Kissinger has remained all these years a major consultant to Merck. Two of the most important financial contributors to world population reduction have been the Merck Fund and the Rockefeller Foundation.

Contact Dr. Leonard Horowitz at Tetrahedron,
Box 2033, Sandpoint, Idaho, 83864
Phone: 208-265-2575. website: www.tetrahedron.org

[Curt]

Dude.....

Your insights never cease to amaze me.

Mucho respecto.

Posted by araucaria (here)
Tying together a couple of strands here – art/life, bones/ancestors (vs dinosaurs), taking control of self, and also laughter on Curt’s thread (told ya he’d be back!).

With reference to the skull brain/belly brain dynamic I have been discussing in recent posts, laughter can activate either the belly brain (humour) or the skull brain (wit), or, better still, both. Wit in French is ‘esprit’, which also means mind, or spirit, in every sense of the word except liquor. So a witticism is a spirited remark. ‘Spirituel’ means both witty and spiritual. I guess spirits (spiritueux) are so called because they also go to your head. I finally got to read on and around the Day of the Dead the book I mentioned a little earlier, Qatastrophe by Claude Ollier. The hero Qvell crosses over into a kind of purgatory. At the entrance he is met by a customs officer who says to him ‘pas d’esprit’ (none of your wit), which is itself quite funny since if you can’t bring your spirit or ghost, what can you bring? But it is a little more cerebral than the average St Peter at the pearly gates joke. http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/qu...rly_gates.html

Normally speaking, bones and skeletons are what you do leave behind and if they symbolize anything, it is by default everything that they are not, such as ancestors. But on the contrary, what we get is the very opposite, the memento mori stuff: remember that you are dust (pulvis/pulveris in Latin), and don’t you ever forget, you are going to be pulverized. But this is a trickster ghost of a customs officer, and Qvell has to have his wits about him: that is part of the process, and success leads to a gradual return of his physical powers. He first goes on trial, and as a copyist in life he is defended by an Ibis, a figure recalling Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing. His accusers complain that he worked sloppily, altered the text of his copies, signed his copies and even signed the originals – in other words behaved like a creative writer. But he is not convicted: in a sense, he is at home among the mirages and deceptions of this world. Likewise, when commissioned by a goddess Isis-type figure called Qveer to make 14 copies of her map, he is not punished for producing anomalies that were in the original anyway (Isis’s own reconstruction of Osiris from 14 pieces was incomplete). In another incident, he and his alter ego, Qveen the musician, are assigned a home and a plot of land to cultivate. They meet some neighbours, fat and lazy loungers, yet whose garden is full of things to eat. They are told that the secret to doing no work is to remove a statuette placed by a loved one in your grave and place it on the rooftop; this way, some earthling will do your work for you. Qveen is wary of following this lead, but Qvell robs his own grave, and is thrown out because he has failed this particular test: it was all a trick. He ends up back on earth as a copyist, but copying a foreign language, so he has no room for creativity. Why he ends up back on earth is clearly because he is still feeding off the earth, which amounts to copying slavishly with no input from the other side. The creative one is in fact the union of Qvell and Qveen, the scribe and the musician, the one in the material world, the other in the other world.


The moral of the story seems to be that what passes down below for slouching/inaccuracy with respect to an original, seen as complete, is seen as creativity in the beyond, exploiting the potential of incompleteness; in other words, creativity involves opening up an apparently closed system. But this involves not laziness but a little hard work. We are not here for a free lunch, we are here to make our personal creative input. Control over others is sponging, all take and no give; control over self leads to self-sufficiency, a prerequisite for sharing. The ‘free energy’, more correctly ‘sustainable energy’, in giving of oneself lies in this ability to renew oneself by producing and consuming sustenance, when one without that ability or work ethic will simply be sucked dry. It is not for nothing that the belly brain is located in the belly. And it is not for nothing that the belly comes with a pair of arms and legs rather than a remote control.

[jounai]

Right now I'm writing a book about consciousness, experience and other fun stuff. 3 word pages written so far!

[Natalia]

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Posted by Amethyst (here)
Right now, I am up early with huge blistery and/or red, very itchy rashes all over my body due to allergic reaction to something (antibiotics? supplements? cats? dust? anything?)...I had an allergic reaction on Tuesday while on antibiotics (which I stopped then as well as all supplements), then got steroids (to take for 5 days) and anti histamines, it went down after some hours...but yesterday morning a rash developed on my hips, spoke to a doctor who said to get allergy tests...then last night the reaction spread and got a lot worse, even worse than when I first had it before the current medication to control it...I phoned up the NHS Direct helpline (really good service, IMO) and they arranged for an off hours doctor to call me...she said it's a strong allergic reaction as I am on steroids and that is very strong...and she said go to the doctors tomorrow, show them and perhaps they will give you different anti histamines...now my eyes have inflamed a little and are a bit red...I feel/know I will be ok so don't worry but just got to find out what is causing this...I stood out to me that the nurse on the end of the phone asked me if I had had a vaccination recently, and I said yes 3 and a half months ago I had the Hepatitis B jab (at work, not that I wanted to...had just one of the shots) and that I came down with a bad virus a few weeks later and have been ill since...so what is going on? Now I feel like I demand to know!

Amethyst,

You are "drinking pharmaceutical soup."

IMHO, you are being too trusting of Western medicine and acquiescing to their proclivity to "treat" everything with pills and injections. If you keep going back to them, you'll end up on half a dozen medications. Antibiotics destroy gut flora necessary for health. Gut health rules your health, to a great extent. Some pills are critically important and can mean the difference between life-or-death, but even the vast majority (I want to say "all", but I won't) of those medicines have natural remedies as alternatives. Most natural remedies are MUCH gentler on your body.

I agree with Dennis that you are too trusting of Western medicine.

As Dennis said, we only wish you vibrant health, sister!

Yeah I know that you both cared when you said that At times I have been, but at other times I've been the opposite or in the middle...I stay away from the flu vaccine, never got one even though we were told that we should, and at work (I work, well did before 3.5 months ago...on sick leave now)...they changed some of my job role due to merges and changes within the department, and was training me to work with the doctor in the clinics assisting them with needles to take bodily fluids of the patients...so they said that for this I needed a Hep B injection, really not what I wanted but I went along with it as it was required by them for me to do my job...looking back, I could have said that I was not prepared to have the vaccine as there is a risk that it could effect my health and I did not feel comfortable with that...and they would not have liked or trusted that (it seems, and why me and not others?)...I also have been told at times to try anti depressants and I will not, I do not believe in them for me, and only if they will truly help the person which I believe does happen in some, but perhaps not most cases? A consultant got angry at me once for not taking a certain medication that they suggested for something that was not serious and I listened and then gently asked her if there was a more natural form as I prefer to take natural remedies for some things (I rarely talk like that with doctors, for good reason - not worth it). And so, yeah, I do know what you guys are saying and it was a good reminder to me, I made mistakes with it...

I am not totally anti vaccines (but I am mostly to do with some of it at least), and like with antibiotics and other medications, they over use them or sometimes give them to people who they do not really help...but some western medicines do, whether my natural idealism likes it or not! For the severe allergic reaction, I had to have extra anti histamines pumped into my veins in the ambulance, and the doctor knew how to treat the allergy and what was going on and why - this I trusted, but I should not have trusted the prescription of a new (for me) anti biotic that said on the info leaflet not to take when people have another illness...that was not just my doctor's mistake, but also mine, so I take responce-sees for that. *craving cranberry juice*

(sorry to kind of take over this thread with this! *giggle* last one on it, promise)