My Take on Ascension

[Seeker of Knowledge]

There comes a time and there comes a place and in that place and time (an anchor) becomes a higher understanding of all things. WE ARE and therefore the anchor exists. SO BE. Thats all we ask. SO Be It. Narasimha tavada sohum.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Will someone who has read all of the law of one material tell me how densities are regulated and come along?

Hey, I already tried. But you insist on being lazy and having other people try to explain it to you rather than go to the source. It's no use trying to refute an idea you haven't taken the time to familiarize yourself with in detail. You end up just refuting your own flawed conception of it that bears no resemblance to what it actually is.

[Agape]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Not density areas of space where beings live in lesser dense areas. That construct makes absolutely no sense IMO. How would it be regulated? For example, what if reptiles ended up forming advanced civilization on earth a long time ago, and/or humans came along then. Would they be waiting for "4D" or "5D" for millions of years for some galactic event? Correct me if I do not understand the ideas presented of densities from their sources.. I have not studied the material of them in depth. Find it hard when I see it all as a false premise.

No , does not make sense Omni . You can't start explaining hyper dimensional physics or Universe based on some sort of conspiracy theory or semi-theological concept , which is what you are confused about, seems to me .

Error number one : the Universe is not geo-centric . Life on Earth is not 'model example' for Life in the Universe . If you want to think in broader terms about Life in the Universe you have to detach yourself from the concept of Life that only exists on Earth and its physical circumstances .
( most people can't do that or they get really crazy ... if they have to think about it )

Number two : the regulating mechanism of who can survive where is based on physical and biological laws .
There's no 'God' or 'Hierarchy' that creates or controls who lives where , in the vastness of Space , manifestation/emergence of Life, including the most advanced and complicated life forms happens in synchronicity with physical environments they inhabit ..
but there's an order/law of 'creation'/ manifestation of 'cosmic intelligence' that is far older than any ( ANY ) manifested Beings .

Even the most complex and complicated entities are based of 'life codes' , patterns projected to advanced / habitable environments where they evolve in synchronicity with their habitat .

Should you place 'human seed' to another planet, Solar system , place in the Universe .. what would evolve from it would not look like human being though the 'other entity' would certainly share some humane characteristics ,
the way it would look and project itself, biologically and mentally would be totally different .

Geocentrism ruled this civilisation for couple of million years ...don't forget ... so I think it's the reason why people have to learn think yet about life in the Universe correctly, without starting from 'me ...' .

Thirdly ... dimension is provisional term in physics ... relative term , just another metaphor . It only serves well as such.

What you call 'dimension' here are qualities ( physical properties ) of space-time continuum within systems such as galaxies, star systems and their planets .
These are not conceptual , they're more less factual - from relativistic point of view, of course .


You need to think in terms of physics AND biology, the correct version of how this works can't be really found in metaphysics or conspiracy theories,
that's why I am not feeling too comfortable with the debate .

[Finefeather]

There are 6 major kingdoms in the cycle which every current human will evolve through...and...into...there are higher ones but it is pointless even attempting to conceptualise them because even the last 2...in these lower 6...are beyond the understanding of most of us.
They are all in 'Space and Time"...in which everything in the Cosmos has manifested into...there is nothing manifest outside of 'Space and Time".

The idea of ascension...(if we take the word in it's literal sense)...if we go from, say, physical 'plane' or 'dimension' ...to astral/emotional 'plane' or 'dimension'...to mental 'plane' or dimension...as some might experience during sleep, meditation, or out of body states...can be regarded as ascension only in that the objectivity or subjectivity of being conscious of these 'planes' requires a little more advanced consciousness or awareness of the structure of the Cosmos. This is far from true ascension...which is ascending from a lower kingdom into a higher kingdom.

Kingdoms are stages which the true Self or monad works it's way through...using different types of envelopes or bodies...in order to gain experiences to grow consciously, to realise different things about itself, until it finally realises it's true nature and sovereignty and individuality...and it's true purpose in life...in the Human Kingdom. These kingdoms are:
1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.
This achievement is stunning to say the least...it has taken use many many aeons (1 aeon = 4320 million earth time years) to achieve, and in so doing, we...as Primordial Atoms/Monads/Selves have manifested on many different planets, some which are no longer in physical manifestation but still exist in the etheric 'plane' or 'dimension'.

When we became humans...a process known as causalisation...we separated from the group soul concept to individualisation...this is necessary in order that the true Self can realise it's individuality and it's responsibility to the life it is a part of.
Of course in most cases this realisation of individuality has gone out of control, and the ego...which is simply another name for the 'I' or individual Self at this stage...gets caught up in all sorts of dark, 'evil', 'satanic' 'Left hand path' practices...which it eventually works it's way through...and don't for one moment think it did not happen to you...we have all done things in past lives that would make a blind man blush looking through a brothel keyhole

It is the human goal to ascend to the 5th Natural Kingdom...which is the end point of natural reincarnation or 'involvation' into human bodies...and you are no longer a human being.
This is a kingdom of collective individuals who have similar goals...ALL of which have one thing in common...and that is to serve those in lower kingdoms in some way...be it 'science' or 'spirituality'...whilst at the same time receiving higher super-consciousness from the 6th Natural Kingdom...we never stop growing...and there are 12 Kingdoms in this Cosmos we are manifest in.

As much as we want to fight it...or get all emotional about it...humans are incapable of gaining higher Kingdom consciousness without the wisdom and truths which are passed down to them by 5th Kingdom Beings, via many ways...and who incarnate into human bodies to fulfil this service to others.

Christ and the Buddha were both from the 6th Solar Kingdom.

Ray

[Catsquotl]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Kingdoms are stages which the true Self or monad works it's way through...using different types of envelopes or bodies...in order to gain experiences to grow consciously, to realise different things about itself, until it finally realises it's true nature and sovereignty and individuality...and it's true purpose in life...in the Human Kingdom. These kingdoms are:
1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.
Ray

And you have experienced this yourself?
Or learned it where?

With Love
Eelco

[Finefeather]

Posted by Catsquotl (here)
And you have experienced this yourself?
Or learned it where?

Yes I have experienced it and so has every other human, including you...most just cannot remember it any more.
Most people cannot even remember what they did when they were 1 year old...how do you expect them to remember aeons back?

Remembrance comes from our ability to access our sub-conscience by meditation and other techniques. Every single bit of our entire history is accessible...nothing is gone.

Remembrance often comes from, what seems like, no where, when triggered by some thought or action...like deja vu triggered by some encounter. We mostly just shrug it off as imagination and some even think it is a result of intuition or telepathy when it is old memories popping up from deep inside our sub-conscience...we just need to be ready when they pop up...and try our best to determine that it is not our colourful imaginations fooling us

I have, during out of body playtime, experienced extreme microscopic situations as well as extremely large expansions of awareness at the same time.

Much Love
Ray

[Catsquotl]

Good, For now i'll have to take your word for it.
I am happy to meet someone to whom it is all so clear.

I'll have to wait until that particular veil will lift for me.
For now, based on my experience I hold a slightly different view.

With Love
Eelco

[Meggings]

Hi White Wizard, I like your post. I've heard of this: "...the rainbow light body, which only a couple hundred people on the planet have ever reached..." but never seen it, although I HAVE seen my own Light Body crystal emanations coming out of my body. Perhaps it makes "rainbows" when light hits it at certain angles like a prism?

I have seen myself as an orb of consciousness now and then when I go to another timeline, although generally I seem to only be a point of awareness in my travels. The avatar I chose for this forum is the geometric structure I saw myself in when visiting a high-beyond-high self, so I imagine souls can travel in different vehicles for different purposes.

About incarnating as a galaxy, I have seen myself as one, and in that experience time was so speeded up that all the other galaxies around me were spinning and tumbling and moving visibly. These words are written to give an idea of mankind's capabilities that they are moving into. Again, ascension is OPENING ONE'S AWARENESS to other levels of self, and entering into them consciously. Recently, "Cosmic Awareness" was asked what ascension was, and here are It's words:

"...[Ascension] could be understood in some ways as a fail-safe that ensures that eventually all will return back into the total context of Divine Ultimate Spirit Source. That this is an instinctual action that each expression of the imagination of the God Force implants within that experience in consciousness at whatever level, whatever dimension."

[Pam]

Posted by Jake (here)
Dang it, Omni,,, You used the 'A' Word,, then the 'C' word.. Ascension and Channeling.. Beyond physicality, you are still there. Alive and well.. What happens to individuals beyond that is not my business. I've spent quite a bit of time describing what I experience in the Astral, Beyond physicality. I can use words like 'vibrations', resonance, density, 3D/4D, Void, etc,,, but if I do,,,, I am singled out and put into the 'new age BS' category... (Which I am fine with, actually,, )

With that said... I am right there with you, Omni.. BTW,, Awesome that you are blogging again... You have an amazing mind..

I will strongly disagree with you regarding information gleaned from alternate 'locales' to be only the work of Channelers. I am no channeler,, but I can tell you all about different states of mind and there bringing about different states of being. I can tell you that there is an observer looking through these eyes,, and this observer is NOT physical..

Ascension did not used to be a word that I disliked. However, for much the same reasons that you have brought up,, The word has become a dirty word..

Folks tend to want to bring a hierarchy into the fray. Higher=better,, Lower= worst,, I switched to using the word 'density', as that was a bit better of a description.. However, densities do not describe anything other than our understanding of Physicality,, and Not the different states of existence...

Even talk about 'Source' or 'A great Center' denotes a BELIEF in needing to look to some far off point of space or time for one to become WHOLE again...

We are here, now.. If it wasn't supposed to be this way, then it would NOT BE THIS WAY....

I believe in shedding layers, to make one more whole. Layers of belief. It takes courage,,, not angels.. It takes looking inward,, NOT outward... It takes trusting yourself,, NOT the universe or God..

I believe in personal sovereignty and taking back ones own power.. A side note here,, I believe that Jesus spoke a message of sovereignty... But sovereign folks cannot be controlled,, so they myths of divinity and of ascension and of some sort of God-like status was used to destroy the message... (Council of Nycea)

There is nothing new about that tactic. It is being used to this very day to stop folks from thinking for themselves,, and to keep looking to Gurus and 'Ascended' masters for their OWN EXISTENCE... It makes me sick to my stomach...

So now,, how do I describe leaving my body? Something as simple as an ObE cannot be described without backlash from folks who are,, simply,, sick of the BS...

What a doggle!!

I have had amazing experiences beyond space and time... I remember them in the NOW.. Ascension is a trick to get you to believe that no matter who you are,, you are limited.. I am having an amazing experience right here!!! There are no ascended masters... Though,, there ARE masters.... There are amazing beings that navigate the physical and non-physical Universes, Masters of space and time.. But they have become confused by the damn mirror that they look into,, because they have been convinced that they have 'fallen from grace' That is a lie, and a damn shame....

I don't go up or down through 'gates' of ascension. I walk Horizontally... I walk my walk and wherever I go,, there I am...


You see,, now I'm sounding like a New Age FreakyDeaky again... So I shall digress..

Science isn't even about proof.. It is about the EVIDENCE.... Be careful,, science is a belief too...


Awesome points, all around..



Jake.

Jake, thanks for sharing so much wisdom with us. The following quote from you sums it up beautifully in my estimation:


I believe in shedding layers, to make one more whole. Layers of belief. It takes courage,,, not angels.. It takes looking inward,, NOT outward... It takes trusting yourself,, NOT the universe or God..


It took me such a long time to understand what you stated so beautifully in one sentence.

With much respect,
Pam

[Wind]

The Law of One-material is highly trustworthy, but that's just a subjective opinion. I don't want to argue about it, so let's leave it that. If you have already dismissed some information without even studying it (extensively, I should add), then you are already biased in your views, no offense meant. Some like The Seth material too, but I'm not so familiar with it. Of course always take everything with a pinch of salt and use your own intuition. It tends to work most of the time, I think.

Densities according to the Law of One-material:

The creation has seven levels, or densities; the eighth density forming the first density of the next octave of experience, just as the eighth note of a musical scale begins a new octave. Between seventh and eight densities the creation re-merges in a period of timeless, formless unity with the Creator.

• First density is the density of awareness, in which the planet moves out of the timeless state into physical manifestation. Its elements are earth, air, water, and fire. On earth, after matter had coalesced and space/time had begun to “unroll its scroll of livingness”, first density took about two billion years.
  
  
• Second density is the density of growth, in which what we call biological life emerges and evolves into greater and greater complexity. Second density on earth took about 4.6 billion years.
  
  
• Third density is the density of self-awareness and the first density of consciousness of the spirit. It is the “axis upon which the creation turns” because in it entities choose the way (either service to others or service to self) in which they will further their evolution toward the Creator. Third density is much shorter than the other densities, taking only 75,000 years.
  
  
• Fourth density is the density of love or understanding. Those who have successfully chosen a path come together with others of like mind in what Ra calls a “social memory complex” in order to pursue that path, either loving self or loving others. Fourth density lasts approximately 30 million years; fourth-density lifespans are approximately 90 thousand years.
  
  
• Fifth density is the density of light or wisdom. Lessons are often learned individually rather than as a social memory complex. Fifth-density entities are beautiful, by our standards, because they can consciously shape their physical forms.
  
  
• Sixth density is the density of unity, in which love and wisdom are blended together. The two paths reunite as those on the service-to-self path, realizing that they cannot successfully master the lessons of unity without opening their hearts to others, switch their polarity to positive.
  
  
• Seventh density is the gateway density, in which we once again become one with all . It is “a density of completion and the turning towards timelessness or foreverness.”
  
  
• Eighth density is also the beginning of the first density of the next Creation. It is “both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself.”

From lower planes of existence we eventually evolve to higher planes of existence and consciousness... The word ascension is what it is, just a word and we have given it meaning. Words can be so limiting at times, don't you think? Maybe "expansion" or evolving are far better words, but it takes a lot of time for souls to evolve. I.e. many, many incarnations and eons of time. Then again, we have all the time in the world to evolve and experience, don't we?

"We are not going in circles, we are going upwards. The path is a spiral; we have already climbed many steps."

— Hermann Hesse (Siddhartha)

[Omni]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Hey, I already tried. But you insist on being lazy and having other people try to explain it to you rather than go to the source. It's no use trying to refute an idea you haven't taken the time to familiarize yourself with in detail. You end up just refuting your own flawed conception of it that bears no resemblance to what it actually is.

Care to explain what perception of mine is flawed in it? Other than me seeing it as a false construct(which is opinion based on both sides)? And you never explained to me how different densities come along, which has been my question repeatedly. So you are conclusively inaccurate there. Nobody has been able to answer such a thing to me. And for the record I have looked into it somewhat. I just think it's a waste of time to spend hours doing such.

Posted by Wind (here)
If you have already dismissed some information without even studying it (extensively, I should add), then you are already biased in your views, no offense meant.

I have found something inaccurate in it rather conclusively to me. So why would I study it extensively when I think it's a false construct. I am not biased because of my opinion..

Posted by Google Definitions
bi·ased
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adjective
adjective: biased

unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.

I am not unfairly prejudiced against the ideas of densities. Simply having an opinion does not indicate bias. I have reviewed enough of it to know at least one of the ideas about it is false. And see clear strategy behind propagating such things that fully aligns with the cabal's agenda. Time will tell eventually if they are accurate or not. I do think it speaks volumes about densities not being how the universe is composed, in that there is not a spec of scientific evidence of such things.

[Agape]

1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.

And I've seen ... accidentally or not .. they didn't . They actually 'descended' from beings of higher biological order to the 'kingdom of earth' and its planetosphere ,
and became part and parcel of its elementary - mineral structure ,
it's cellular structuralisation as underlying pattern of all biological matter on this planet .. and so forth.

Which ever stands in direct opposite not only to prevalent scientific beliefs and dogma preached about the Gaian hypothesis and Darwinian evolution ( applied to the origins of man ) but also to most spiritualists concepts that start with mankind created for and on this planet .

Go figure why no one gets me right , quite yet .






And it not only makes me feel like Giordanno Bruno at the inquisition court , also as Araucaria put it ''we here are not used to come from the point of knowing on earth'' ,

so finding myself quite lost among the multitudes of copyrighted thesis and opinions that all the scientists and theologists worked out so diligently and got them peer reviewed ...

shame for the truth standing at stake , at all times on this planet .

[Omni]

I guess this turned somewhat in a talk about densities. I wanted to avoid such.. Oh well, my mistake for bringing them up at all. Anyway, great discussion about incarnational ascension going on. I was reflecting on what some said in this thread and I think it's quite insightful. I personally like this quote that relates to such:

"God sleeps in the Minerals, Awakens in Plants, Walks in theAnimals and Thinks in Man."

Maybe God is soul, or the closest thing to god is soul, no hierarchal being who designed everything, just a infinite Omniverse that likely includes numerous if not infinite multiverses, which include an infinite amount of universes, that are all clyclically created from mechanics within one another(connected universes), while nature, and the X-factor, extraterrestrials, create life. Nature is my God. The idea of being back at my soulular source timelessly is not interesting to me as described in the law of one. Timelessness is non-existence. I think a joke is being played on people with that line personally. Maybe I'm wrong... Does anyone truly claim to understand timelessness, and can explain to me how one can be in any desirable form without time ever again? I am not saying it has to be linear, it can be entirely holographic... But without forms of time one is non existent IMHO. I can't ignore these flaws in the law of one.. It says the highest form of existence is basically non-existence. I am among source and god while living in my view. Nature. My church is earth. Nature is source IMHO. And any ET that speaks of God, the creator of all, as a conscious being, I think of full of it TBH...


Geez i go from one controversial subject to the next, you'd think I'm trying to make people dislike me or something.... Just speaking my mind really.. I wouldn't post this due to people disliking me because of it, but I don't see anyone else saying it. More an obligation at that point...

[NancyV]

Omni, until you experience timelessness you will probably not believe that it exists and that you can exist within timelessness. This is understandable. I would never have understood timelessness unless I had experienced it many times. I still can't explain how it feels but I know what the feeling is and it IS timelessness, the ever present now. The Source is the All and None...all at the same time/timelessness. When I have merged with Source I did not lose my SELF, I became the one big humongous all encompassing SELF/EGO that was involved in the eternal process of Creation and being everything in the Creation. There are some more words that cannot be understood or described accurately - Eternal or Eternity, Creation, Source.

The lower dimensions do have a sort of time, but it is not like our time here and it is not linear. Once I leave the lower astral and go into higher vibrational dimensions the time becomes more timeless and eternal. Beings in the astral realms have different levels of awareness and many different games are played, similar to here in some ways, games of power and control over souls who are still learning who they truly are and how unlimited their powers are. Until one realizes that they are the controller of all their experiences they will give their power over to someone who is pretending to be the controller, which could be a self styled "god" or a dictator type or an "angel" who is there to "help" you (as long as you follow the rules). I saw many beings who were living in different so-called heavens (never did see the paradise where Muslims get their 72 virgins) and they seemed perfectly happy to still be in a hierarchical situation with someone else telling them what to do.

Then there are the higher vibrational dimensions. One of them that I seemed to be in for about a million years (a timeless time) had beings which I called the bubble people. We looked almost exactly like the photo of the glowing orbs posted above. We were almost totally connected consciousness with still the small separation of the amorphous and glowing orbs which contained our "individual" consciousness. By this time I had merged with many many other consciousness but I was still ME, just a much expanded me.

Each place or dimension or plane of existence or whatever one wants to call it, has a different frequency or vibration. As the vibration increases in the so called higher planes, the density is less and beings experience more and more what could be called light and love. The closer one gets to Source the more intense is the vibration of light and love. When I merge with Source I am all things, all of Creation, and the Void at the same time. I still have SELF awareness. It is an awesome feeling and there are no words I could ever find to really describe it, so this is a rather lame attempt to do so. Certainly there could never be any scientific proof of what happens in all these different levels of reality, or dimensions.

I can only tell you what I have experienced in 7 years of traveling on the "inner planes" many hundreds of times. I cannot say what will happen to anyone else and I do not agree that there are absolute laws that cannot be broken or adjusted. I never accept any being who attempts to tell me that I am limited in any way or that I must obey someone else. Maybe that attitude was helpful to me because I never got stuck for too long in any place where others were very content to stay because they thought it was the ultimate heaven. I don't let ANYONE tell me what I can or cannot do because I am Source, just as I know we all are Source.

Anyone who wants rules, proof, etc. is more than welcome to continue trying to find something that makes sense and satisfies their desire for something understandable to the human mind. But until they experience these things, they will KNOW nothing. Even now that I know what happened to me in my years of experiences, I do not say that you or anyone else will see or feel the same things I did and felt. I would not tell you that it would take countless incarnations for you to evolve to the point where you could merge with Source. I think we are all unlimited beings, limited only by our own beliefs in our limitations and our beliefs that there are others more powerful than we are.

If we really understand the concept that we are all ONE, that we are all Source and a part of Source at the same time, that we are unified and live in duality at the same "time", then we wouldn't worry so much about whether we will ascend, reincarnate, go to heaven, hell, wherever. Because we are all ONE, we are Source experiencing itself in many different ways. We can choose to play any games in our life and it's all okay. I don't need anyone to believe I am telling the truth for them or even believe I am telling the truth for me. None of that matters to me.

I do not care for others attempting to tell me what other dimensions/densities will be like for me and that I have to follow a certain path to get there. It either amuses me or on occasion irritates me just as I occasionally get irritated when missionaries come to my door and try to talk me into going to their church (The Church of the Presumptuous Assumption!). Maybe they are right for them, but only I am right for me. I appreciate their right to their beliefs...for themselves. I prefer to stay away from BELIEFS and deal with experiences and preferences.

There are not scientific PROOFS for anything. There are only theories and beliefs. Actual experiences most often cannot be explained adequately, but we do the best we can within our limited human language capabilities.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Agape (here)

1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.

And I've seen ... accidentally or not .. they didn't . They actually 'descended' from beings of higher biological order to the 'kingdom of earth' and its planetosphere ,
and became part and parcel of its elementary - mineral structure ,
it's cellular structuralisation as underlying pattern of all biological matter on this planet .. and so forth.

If you try to understand what you are...a primordial atom...you would understand that it is impossible to split yourself up into a mineral structure and become a mineral...we are each an individual atom at a stage in consciousness evolution.

Once we have evolved into the human kingdom it is not possible to go back to a lower kingdom...you should consider what we are made up of whilst in a physical body...minerals...molecules...organs...these are the very things which we use to create our form...the 'driver' which is the real Self is indestructible and is the monad/consciousness/energy which binds these minerals...molecules...organs whilst we are incarnate.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, is just the return of these fundamental molecules back to the mineral kingdom...you as a Self cannot contribute to that...because you are indestructible.

The descent you are confusing things with is known as involution into matter...the first pass when primordial atoms...which include each one of us...descends or involves, for the first time, to the stage of the mineral.

Evolution begins at the mineral stage...after the primordial atom...which is what all beings are...has descended into the lowest stage of matter...which is the mineral kingdom.

Everything is a Being at either some involutionary or evolutionary stage...and everything has consciousness...even if we do not realise it...like a grain of sand.

Ray

[Finefeather]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Omni, until you experience timelessness you will probably not believe that it exists and that you can exist within timelessness.

There is no such thing as timelessness...this is a confusion which is created because we have nothing to measure against.

Many people claim to have experienced timelessness in some meditative or out of body state, but this is not so...time seems to slow down for some but speed up for others.

For example, if you go out of body you can experience things which would take what would seem like hours, but when you wake up in your body and check the clock out it has only forwarded a minute or two.
This would therefore logically indicate that time has speeded up whilst out of body and when we get back into our body and check the clock out it would logically seem like time has slowed down...because we did so much in such a short time.

The facts are that time is constant and relative...it is thought that confuses the issue...because thought speed is almost instant in comparison to light speed...so when out of body everything is about thought and thought is a consciousness expression...also thought creates everything around us in the out of body states or meditative states...so we can do things out of body in what seems like an instant...certainly not a timeless phenomena.

Every action has a cycle or duration and thought is an action as well as a consciousness expression...so there is always a beginning and always and end...we just do not realise how fast some things are able to occur at.

I have been able to stop the second hand of my watch for what seems like ages but this is just another example of what can be done in a second if your mind is distracted from physical duration.
Take care
Ray

[Omni]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Omni, until you experience timelessness you will probably not believe that it exists and that you can exist within timelessness. This is understandable. I would never have understood timelessness unless I had experienced it many times. I still can't explain how it feels but I know what the feeling is and it IS timelessness, the ever present now. The Source is the All and None...all at the same time/timelessness. When I have merged with Source I did not lose my SELF, I became the one big humongous all encompassing SELF/EGO that was involved in the eternal process of Creation and being everything in the Creation. There are some more words that cannot be understood or described accurately - Eternal or Eternity, Creation, Source.

If you were experiencing it, it involved time. Had you been experiencing things without time, it would not be perceivable, because nothing is happening. A good example of what timelessness would be like, is while you are deep asleep and blacked out from experiencing anything.

There is a reason you can't explain it IMO. Did you experience more than one thing in timelessness Nancy? If you did, it involved time. And if you were cognizant of anything that means there was time too, since without time cognizance of something is not possible. Holding an idea in your mind without time is not possible...

Then there are the higher vibrational dimensions. One of them that I seemed to be in for about a million years (a timeless time)

A million years is time in itself... Respectfully I disagree that it was timeless.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

"God sleeps in the Minerals, Awakens in Plants, Walks in the Animals and Thinks in Man."

Yes very profound if it is understood...

The esoteric version of this is:

“Consciousness sleeps in the stone, dreams in the plant, awakens in the animal, and becomes self-consciousness in man”.

These are of course the first 4 natural kingdoms.

[Omni]

Another blaring flaw in the law of one material is that it does not seem to mention soul mates being the apex. My contacts have said that their view of the apex of existence is infinity with a lover. Someone that is perfect for you and you for them, who loves you more than anyone(including god if there is one IMO) who your souls grow together and also have very close bonds. I doubt the law of one mentions soul mates much, since it is likely IMO from a source that dislikes the idea(reptilians and their minions). Just speculation, not saying I nec. believe that but it's my top theory atm on that material...

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Hey, I already tried. But you insist on being lazy and having other people try to explain it to you rather than go to the source. It's no use trying to refute an idea you haven't taken the time to familiarize yourself with in detail. You end up just refuting your own flawed conception of it that bears no resemblance to what it actually is.

Care to explain what perception of mine is flawed in it? Other than me seeing it as a false construct(which is opinion based on both sides)? And you never explained to me how different densities come along, which has been my question repeatedly. So you are conclusively inaccurate there. Nobody has been able to answer such a thing to me. And for the record I have looked into it somewhat. I just think it's a waste of time to spend hours doing such.

You're right, I didn't really go into all the nitty gritty details of graduation (also called Harvest, but I won't use that term as people completely misunderstand it) in our last conversation. But I did touch on some of the concepts. I really think you should read the books for yourself rather than try to rely on someone trying to give you the Cliff's Notes version, because you're not going to get a lot of the important nuances and details. It's a very vast question you are asking.

VERY basically, there's no one way that graduation happens. It's different for every density. Certain qualifications have to be met before one is ready to take on an incarnation into a higher density. These qualifications correspond with energetic changes that have to be made. If those qualifications are not met, one would be unable to handle the conditions of the energy environment in the next density, so one absolutely has to be ready for it. You can repeat densities as many times as you want to. There's no rush. You have eternity to do it. There are cycles of time involved in each density (Wind talked about this above.) Each step of progression recapitulates intelligent infinity in its original discovery of awareness. Anyway, I will attempt to give a rough outline, but I'm leaving out a LOT so as not to over-complicate things.

For movement from 1st density to 2nd, there must be a sufficient increase of awareness and growth. This takes a very long time. It's basically the transition from an existence as inorganic matter and the elements to being an organism.

From 2nd to 3rd, there must be a development of a conscious sense of self. This also takes a very long time. For instance, household pets are usually nearing the end of 2nd density. By treating your cat or dog like a person, you are helping them to develop a conscious sense of self.

From 3rd to 4th, a choice has to be made sufficiently of what path the entity is on, service to others or service to self. The choice is largely a matter of intent, but also of living in accordance with the choice. Those who do not make a choice - those mired in "the vast sinkhole of indifference" - stay in 3rd density until they do). They do say you can graduate from 3rd to 4th at any time in the cycle if you discover the gateway to intelligent infinity, which it is said that some people in Earth's history have done this.

Note: The planet Earth itself is transitioning from 3rd to 4th density, and so if you want to move with it into 4th density, you have to graduate. If not, you go to some other 3rd density planet elsewhere to do another cycle. My interpretation of the Law of One books is that the transition on this planet to the 4th will happen by 4th density double bodied souls incarnating. By "double bodied" I mean energy bodies that can exist in both 3rd density and 4th density. These would be the Indigo/Crystal/Rainbow children or whatever you want to call them. The kids Mary Rodwell talks about. Eventually, no more 3rd density souls will be able to incarnate on Earth anymore. This may already be happening.

Note also: 4th density is the density of love. But how it expresses itself and the lessons that need to be learned depends on the path that was chosen. For 4th density negative, it is the love of self. For 4th density positive, it is love of others. The difference between the two being love that is either with or without compassion. And it is a prerequisite that those on the negative path consciously block their heart chakra and be incredibly disciplined in their self love, but it should be noted that this heart chakra blockage does not impede development of the higher energy centers.

The graduation from 4th to 5th is a matter of developing understanding. It largely involves the ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light. This is the requirement for graduation from 4th to 5th by those on both positive and negative paths. This is the sort of stuff we would find very hard to relate to. In fact, everything beyond this point is beyond our ability to truly comprehend the mechanics of it. 5th density is called the density of Wisdom. But the wisdom of 5th density, for those on the negative path, is wisdom without compassion. This is the sort of wisdom that would be more about being discerning, watchful, cautious, discreet, nimble, flexible and cunning. You can do all of those things without compassion.

The graduation from 5th to 6th involves consciously accepting the Law of One, which is that All is One. 6th is the level the Ra collective reports that they are at, and they say at this point they have moved beyond having any type of form. This is also the density that our Higher Self exists on, also termed Oversoul (It is the sum total of all of an individual's incarnations up to that point, and it is involved in programming catalyst for it's various incarnations....it's hard to explain, but you can talk with and even meet your higher self if you wish to.) It should be noted that the negative path ends usually by the end of 5th density. A few do manage to stay somewhat negative after graduating to 6th, but soon after entering 6th, that has to change or they will not be able to become a part of a social memory complex, which is a necessary part of 6th. The work of 6th density is to unify wisdom and compassion. The STS/STO polarity does not come into play there, as it is seen that service to self *is* service to others and service to others *is* service to self.

The graduation from 6th to 7th, honestly, I'm not really clear on. This is way beyond us anyway. But you get the idea. Ra calls it the "gateway cycle", which I assume is a reference to the gateway of intelligent infinity. Ra does offer this about what comes after 7th: "After the seventh has been well entered the mind/body/spirit complex becomes so totally a mind/body/spirit complex totality that it begins to gather spiritual mass and approach the octave density. Thus the looking backwards is finished at that point."

Ra sums up the densities like this:

"First, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light, or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb."

Now, you may dismiss the idea of densities simply because the 3rd density technology addicted ETs you deal with have no knowledge of this stuff, but you can experience 4th density yourself. Yeah, you can experience 4th density through astral projection, through near death experiences, through DMT trips and other psychedelics....but this would be 4th density time/space not 4th density space/time. Under normal circumstances, you would have to be incarnated in a 4th density activated body to experience 4th density space/time (or at least be double bodied.) Time/space and Space/time are like the flip sides of each other. Two sides of the same coin. The many planes of the "spirit world" exists in time/space, and all the astral planes too. Ra also calls time/space "the inner planes".

A lot of people have trouble with there only being 7 levels, especially OBErs who say they've experienced far more than seven, but what they don't realize is that each density can be infinitely subdivided. Each density could be divided into 7 sub-densities, and each of those divided into 7 sub-sub-densities, and each of those can be divided into to 7 sub-sub-sub-densities, and so forth, ad infinitum. We're really talking about an energetic spectrum of consciousness, and just as with any spectrum, the divisions of it are pretty much arbitrary. But it aids in understanding to make such arbitrary distinctions.

I mentioned this in our last conversation, but I think it bears repeating: The Ra collective describe the different densities as being like notes in a scale, which they call the octave (7 notes, the 8th being the beginning of the next octave), and this corresponds with the 7 chakras and the colors of the visible light spectrum (ie. the 7 colors of the rainbow) and the electromagnetic spectrum.