Why I am leaving this forum

[tone3jaguar]

I have enjoyed the interactions that I have had with everyone on the old and the new Avalon forums. I have learned a lot about communication with others about fringe subjects and also enhanced my own understanding of the world at the same time.

Almost two years ago I used pendulum dowsing to check the factual accuracy of the Camelot interviewees. This list has been available for that entire time and I have never changed it. I clearly stated before and after the percentages and witnesses that this was my personal intuitive opinion on this.

Even so, Bill has issued disparaging comments and referred to me as an "arrogant idiot" for showing people an alternative way to pick through this information. He has accused me of trying to smear people in public etc. etc. Here are some of the things I had written on my blog post where I put the information almost 2 years ago. These are all on my blog site and can be viewed by going to

http://altimatrix.com/archives/categ...pendulum-dowse

How can anyone be expected to sort through all of the information given out by whistle blowers? Moreover, even if you are highly trained at reading a persons body language like in the television show “Lie To Me” this will not help you much either. Why wont that type of discernment help you? Because many half truths and lies are believed by the person sharing the information to be accurate.

As Bill and Kerry from Project Camelot have communicated to us that the secret black operational technolgy world is compartmentalized. It is so compartmentalized that many people do not even know what is happening in the room right next to them. On top of that the people in charge told these wistle blowers fake information in order to keep them motivated and believing they are contributing to the greater good.

These numbers in no way represent what percentage of the information given in these Camelot Interviews that the interviewee believed is true. The source I used for this information was my higher self, and the method used for the information retrieval was pendulum dowsing.

This is my personal intuitive take on this. I have specifically posted the methods for how to dowse these up yourself in part one so that I am not holding the keys to the kingdom so to speak.

My conclusions after dowsing up this data is that I am surprised. I thought that there would have been more people with higher numbers of accuracy to their statements. There may be a few bad apples in this bunch. However, I think that most of these people are under the impression that their information is factually accurate.

It seems as though there are only a handful of these witnesses and researchers that actually have a true grasp of what is going on. These individuals are Bob Dean, Dr. Brian O’Leary, David Wilcock, Duncan O’Finioan, Marcia Shafer, Miriam Delicado, Steven Greer and Richard Hoagland. The one that blows me away the most would be Duncan O’Finioan, holy crap! If you have not yet listened to Duncan’s interview with Camelot you should.

If you read these statements along with the blog post and came to the conclusion that I was presenting this information as fact then I feel sorry for you because your emotions prevented you from reading the post subjectively. "This is my personal intuitive take on this" should have been all it took to show that I was not presenting this as fact.

I had already given up any thought of a career in the alternative media over 6 months ago because when I was about to start making more strides in it, all aspects of my life where destroyed around me by whom ever it is that does not want people thinking and discerning for themselves.

This is not me playing the victim so that I can divide and conquer as many have tried to before on these forums and I stopped them. Bill if you had been around for the first year of the old forum you would know that I fought tooth and nail to try to route out as many of the agents in there as I could.

You are jumping to conclusions, have a forum that is completely infiltrated with disinformation and distraction agents, and are over reacting to old information that almost know one has ever even seen. To be honest I do not really care about my rep on the internet anymore anyway.

The internet has become filled with 99% bull **** and I over trying to sort though all of it. If anyone here does not like me or thinks I am arrogant then fine. That does not make me what you judge me as. It just makes you a judgmental person. You have really shown me something here Bill.

Now please for the love of god remove me from this forum so that i am not tempted to periodically immerse myself in mounds of useless disinformation.

Thank You, and have a nice bleeping day.

[Anchor]

This is tragic. When I read Bill's comment I was pretty shocked myself. I would encourage you not to take it seriously just because it was Bill Ryan that said it.

Anyway I fully support your assertions made in your above post. I know you are not an arrogant idiot. I know what you have done and your views and perspectives should not go, but if they do I will miss them. I also "know" that you have helped a lot of people on the forums - perhaps in ways that they themselves may not directly appreciate.

You have stood for your truth and it is quite sad that it comes to this over what I saw was a snappy kneejerk reaction.

John..

[GK76]

I think you approached this wrongly. Perhaps you should have just taught the method and allowed the people to discern for themselves. As it stands you have pretty much called many whistleblowers liars without decent foundation or structured argument, dowsing just doesn't have good enough accuracy even for seasoned practitioners. After all the work Bill and Kerry have put into Project Camelot I can see how it looks like a slap in the face.

[Fractalius]

Hello. I have no interest in another persons dowsing and information on the truth and integrity of others. That is what one might consider as, setting themselves up for a big fall. It becomes contradictory. You are having a meltdown in reaction to a post I saw. I am not interested in who is wrong or right in that scenario either. This thread however is loaded with other extraneous energies that have a hold on you. When people care, sure it can lead to frustration. Best wishes. Kia Kaha.

[bluestflame]

maybe a step back for a while , let the dust settle so to speak
"never name the well from which you will not drink" old celtic saying

[Church]

Man, I haven't posted here in a VERY long time, but you have given me a reason to post. Tone3, you were always one of my favorite people here, and back on the old project camelot forum. I have always hated how diluted the fringe scenes were becoming, even back during camelot's infancy, yet there were always those people who were undoubtedly just real. You are one of those to me. I frequently check your blog, too. (Update it more often, would ya!)

But yeah, camelot and avalon have become just as diluted as their predecessors always were, and for this reason I don't post here anymore. I still lurk, though, because there is still the occasional gem popping up here and there.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors, Tone3.

[Anchor]

Posted by GK76 (here)
After all the work Bill and Kerry have put into Project Camelot I can see how it looks like a slap in the face.

So can I, but it wasn't and that is the main point. It was an opinion construed as a slap in the face. If you knew of all the slaps in the face meted out by accident around here by many of us, Bill and Kerry both included, together with others who either are or at one time involved in the running of the forums, myself included - this was just a baby.

In particular many of us know how dedicated tone3jaguar was to PA1 and is to this forum - which is why I am bothering with something I would otherwise just let go by.

John..

[str8thinker]

Sorry you feel like this about Project Avalon. Even if you feel pendulum dowsing works for you, the usefulness of any percentages between, say, 20% and 80% is not great and IMO muddies the water even more. To me, the information is more important than the messenger who brings it. What are we to make of it if the same information is voiced by two people with "Percentage of Actual Factual Accuracy" of 30% and 70% respectively? And are you confident of your ability to judge Actual Factual Accuracy in the light of all this disinformation which you say is being spread in this forum?

One of the marks of a disinfo agent is that he/she will take care to mingle truth with disinfo so as to create a veneer of plausibility. Thus the only way to sift through all this is to consider each grain of information separately, not to pigeonhole the interviewees according to a general criterion. Jordan Maxwell seems to be missing from your list but IMO is a good example of a combination of penetrating insight in some matters and leaping to unwarranted conclusions in others.

Oh, and one other thing. Remember, as Richard Hoagland and others have put it:

The lie is different at every level

This doesn't make our task any easier, but it helps to keep this in mind.

[Franny]

I'm sorry to see you go, and actually hope you don't. I recall you from the earlier forum, and enjoyed your posts there. I hope you change your mind, brush off the negativity and continue to participate.

Pendulums are interesting as is muscle testing; I'm not quite sure what to think about either. David Hawkins strongly promotes muscle testing but, from what I have observed, his looks pretty subjective and aligned with his personal views.

I have tried pendulum dowsing but have not had much success with it except to find objects I had misplaced -- which actually isn't so bad. Sometimes the pendulum does not even move; perhaps it's because of environmental issues such as my neighbors WiFi, computer EM fields and other things.

Because of that I just I don't know how accurate it can be -- altho when I saw your list I was surprised by many of the "ratings".

Have you ever dowsed the Wingmaker's James? I'd be interested if you have.

Cheers and please stick around.

[Bill Ryan]

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Below is the reason T3J is leaving the forum. He was honorable to fall on his sword.

My reply to him on this post:

Posted by tone3jaguar (here)
Here you go,

http://altimatrix.com/archives/560

Wade Frazier -- 11%?
Elizabeth Nelson -- 44%?
Henry Deacon -- 22%?
Mr X -- 43%?

Listen:

Elizabeth (whom I know personally) goes on record about an intense personal experience, with her own voice undisguised, about 9/11, and you think you have the right to assess her like a schoolteacher marking homework?

What was the 56% that she screwed up on? Do tell.

Have you actually visited Wade Frazier's extraordinary website, that reads like an encyclopedia? Have you ever talked with the man? In fact, do you know anything about him?

You should sit at his feet.

Henry Deacon - who has now been silenced because he was brave enough to actually come forward, at last, under his own name, and speak his truth openly?

Mr X - who was going to start saying much more - but then gave his life?

A photo of him with his newborn son is below. Now maybe dowse him again.

You are arrogant and infantile. I have never before said that to an Avalon member, but I'm saying it now.

You have no idea at all what courage is. And absolutely no idea how to measure it. You should be ashamed.

[bluestflame]

yes , break it down into its components , map it out like flow chart and "thought balloons" on a bit of paper

lateral thinking

[Anchor]

Bill

Twist it whatever way you want to get away from the core point that you have missed completely in what t3j was saying - which was nothing about courage.

*You* are being arrogant and infantile. I have never before said that to an Avalon founder, but I'm saying it now.

Back down for once in your life - PLEASE.

John..

[tone3jaguar]

Bill, no amount of anyone feeling bad for "negative" things that happen to people is ever going to improve anyones situation. Throwing the picture of Mr. X up there was a basic insinuation that I am a malevolent thoughtless individual. When I dowsed this list he was not even passed on yet and was just some guy on your original video. I believe that you are being hacked by someone and for some reason can not see it. I have no clue why it is that you think that Kerry can be hacked by these people and you can't.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by John (here)
It was an opinion construed as a slap in the face.

It was neither. It was a smear.

Here's what I mean. T3J has no 'opinion' on Wade Frazier (11%). He doesn't even know who Wade is. If he did know, he'd never have published the asinine figure of 11%. I will not tolerate this kind of stupidity.

If someone thinks that Wade Frazier may be a disinfo agent, then that person can explain why and we can debate it intelligently. But no, here a pendulum makes the verdict, T3J states it as unassailable fact, and claims no responsibility.

There is zero opportunity for rational debate. And meanwhile, the smear stands, justified by 'objectivity'. That's insane by any definition.

It's worse that following New Age Priests. It's divination of 'truth' from chicken entrails. Please go do that on another forum. Not here.

[kesom]

there's a lot of fightin goin on lately...........

there's no strength without unity.........

there's no advancment without taking critique............

there's no need for upset............

and there's definately no need for rizla with the corners cut off..............

[tone3jaguar]

I have not posted up stuff like this in almost a year. I could care less about this forum anymore. Bill, one day you are going to realize that your popularity is not directly proportional to your discernment. Good luck with that. I mean for f--ks sake. You thought that Burisch was legit and look what he turned out to be.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by tone3jaguar (here)
Throwing the picture of Mr. X up there was a basic insinuation that I am a malevolent thoughtless individual.

You're not a malevolent thoughtless individual. You're a stupid thoughtless individual.

I'm sure you're well-meaning. But that's clearly no insurance against publishing irresponsible smears against good people.

The problem is your intelligence. Not your intentions.

My advice: learn something from this, remove your childish web page, and never do this again.

[BMJ]

Hi tone3jaguar,
Avalon is not one man but a community. If you leave we all suffer for the lack of your contribution. Please reconsider.

Boris

[Rozzy]

If some one is leaving then, bye, bye, just do it. Throwing crap in the fan on the way out is predictable but pretty low class.

[tone3jaguar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
It was neither. It was a smear.

Here's what I mean. T3J has no 'opinion' on Wade Frazier (11%). He doesn't even know who Wade is. If he did know, he'd never have published the asinine figure of 11%. I will not tolerate this kind of stupidity.

If someone thinks that Wade Frazier may be a disinfo agent, then that person can explain why and we can debate it intelligently. But no, here a pendulum makes the verdict, T3J states it as unassailable fact, and claims no responsibility.

There is zero opportunity for rational debate. And meanwhile, the smear stands, justified by 'objectivity'. That's insane by any definition.

It's worse that following New Age Priests. It's divination of 'truth' from chicken entrails. Please go do that on another forum. Not here.

You are right, I can't even remember WTF that guy was talking about or what he looked like. That is called "a blind read" and is the only way to have a chance at accuracy. You want to put my accuracy to the test. It has been tested scientifically before. Bring it on captain know it all.