Upon death: then what?

[doetem]

I follow a lot of folk here on Avalon. Enlightenment is coming and I want to be prepared.
but something ran across my mind the other day. I know Simon spoke of not going into the light. Aren't we here now because we failed? How can I be sure this won't happen when my life comes to an end? How do I even know im strong enough?
This keeps me up at night

[Shezbeth]

Posted by doetem (here)
How can I be sure this won't happen when my life comes to an end? How do I even know im strong enough?

I suggest that you take the time you have to do your best in every venue and aspect of your experience. If - after doing so - you are not strong enough, then it doesn't matter; if you do your best there is no more than can be asked, expected, or demanded of you, and the chips will fall where they may.

If you are strong enough, well that's that now innit? ^_~

[Gatita]

Maybe you wake up in the next world. Maybe some part of you continues and regrets not completing the bucket list.

Cat

[TrumanCash]

Good question. I've been asking this one myself for quite a long time.

I don't think there are any guarantees, but I believe in the efficacy of the principle that the truth can set one free. Therefore, I have found that past life and in-between lives therapy is a good start. That is, simply finding the truth about one's past as an initial step. And that is different for everyone. Not everyone goes through the tunnel "to the light" upon death. Sometimes people choose for themselves whether to hang out for awhile or to make a mad dash for a hospital. For me it has been a routine thing because I am being prevented from interfering with the abduction program for this planet for the past fifteen thousand plus years. I have been given personal attention in this but I think most other people as spirits are going into a more automated system of "processing" ships/centers in-between lives. (I cover my own experiences in-between lives in THE EYE OF RA, link below, in the chapter "In-between Lives Implants & Out of Body Abductions.)

I think that first understanding the truth of the situation we are in is of prime importance and then firmly deciding not to go to the light while one is embodied is about the best one can do. In other words, plan out your future now. The mantids are the ones operating this artificial reincarnation system so, ultimately, we will have to come to some kind of terms with them to evolve out of that paradigm.

BTW, I do have reliable second hand information about a fellow who had extensive past life therapy (last lifetime) and he actually took his time to pick his parents (in-between lives). However, he did not remember that after he incarnated until he again undertook past life therapy this lifetime.

TLC

[Pilutaq]

found some information here
might be useful

http://http://www.trickedbythelight....olutions.shtml

[ZooLife]

Death is the life dance.

Death is the not knowing of what you always know.

[Milneman]

There is also the chance (perish the thought) that Simon could be wrong.

You have far better things to keep you up at night than this problem. If it even is a problem.

Might you better be suited to ponder what to do with the time you have here and now? Let the afterlife look after itself, whatever it may or may not be.

Why are you here? You are here. What are you going to do with here while you are in it?

Tiddly pom!

[ZooLife]

Posted by Milneman (here)
There is also the chance (perish the thought) that Simon could be wrong.

You have far better things to keep you up at night than this problem. If it even is a problem.

Might you better be suited to ponder what to do with the time you have here and now? Let the afterlife look after itself, whatever it may or may not be.

Why are you here? You are here. What are you going to do with here while you are in it?

Tiddly pom!

It's all connected. You cannot minimize one without minimizing the other. You cannot elevate the one without elevating the other.

That is not entirely the case.... you could pretend that one is better or more important then the other.

[Verdilac]

What if you don't get a choice, what if its a pull like a magnet, imagine the moment your on a roller coaster at the very top,tension building and you reach that point of no return, then the pull, your in it till the bottom, no way out, welcome to your next life ,welcome to wherever you are, again

[Shezbeth]

No sense worrying about it in that event,....

[Milneman]

Posted by ZooLife (here)

Posted by Milneman (here)
There is also the chance (perish the thought) that Simon could be wrong.

You have far better things to keep you up at night than this problem. If it even is a problem.

Might you better be suited to ponder what to do with the time you have here and now? Let the afterlife look after itself, whatever it may or may not be.

Why are you here? You are here. What are you going to do with here while you are in it?

Tiddly pom!

It's all connected. You cannot minimize one without minimizing the other. You cannot elevate the one without elevating the other.

That is not entirely the case.... you could pretend that one is better or more important then the other.

Or....it isn't.

Choose.

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Posted by Verdilac (here)
What if you don't get a choice, what if its a pull like a magnet, imagine the moment your on a roller coaster at the very top,tension building and you reach that point of no return, then the pull, your in it till the bottom, no way out, welcome to your next life ,welcome to wherever you are, again

Then you have no free will. And that's possible.

Or it isn't. :D

[gardener2]

In my experience of out of body I have often gone down the tunnel and into the light, I met many realatives there and people I wasn't conscious of knowing them but, I felt a deep connection to them all I know I haven't come to harm from this, but could it be that we all have different exist's, don't get me wrong I also had a very disturbing obe, so I guess it's a question of discernment, something I ask for every day is for the gift of discernment, that then leads you to the place you are destined to go after death at least that is what I have experienced and I have some friend's same experience. Only you can decide but it really isn't that bad that you are losing sleep because of it. maybe you could do some obe's as a kind of practice run. sorry that sounds a bit funny, im sure you will be having a laugh, but I say this with a true heart.

[BF88]

What i remember about going into the light is that if you do not go into it you kind of reset and start over. If you go into it you can avoid this process and come straight back if you chose. Perhaps it is to build on things you have done in the lifetime that has just ended, or perhaps i was duped by the soul trappers into believing that. I will be going straight into it next time.

[ghostrider]

On the path of everyone's evolution , there must be ups and downs , good and bad , victory and defeat , feast and famine ... you are the LIGHT , go to yourself ... don't go to another's light , go to yours ... inside the human being is an infinite Universe , a never ending Creation , death is only death of the material body , the spirit will live on and on , it never dies or sleeps in deepest sleep ... Look out into space , that's what you look like when your body is done ... an emerald mass of energy that will unite with other earth humans at the same stage , waiting 152 years and 21 days for a new body ...we can incarnate as many times as needed to change our world ... we get to live in the time that the ancients foretold of , the age of aquarius , the age of knowledge , leaving behind beliefs and embracing science and knowledge ... the last book of the bible is the time we live in , think about it ... we live in the last book ... it ends with us and begins anew with US ... we are the tipping point for 22 million years of earth history ... 22 million years to get to now and you and me and us ... our forefathers said when they first came to Earth they found out Earth had been visited for 22 million years ...

[Milneman]

Ghost, not necessarily.

The last book of the bible is commonly understood to be an interpretation on various levels of the early church age. Any time we enter into speculation about "metaphysical" meanings of any religious text, you end up walking of slippery ground. I would be very cautious about believing anyone/anything that has definitive knowledge about these kinds of things. I would be equally cautious about believing 'prophets' who, although they may have grey beards, lack the common sense or credibility their age suggests they 'should' possess.

Tiddly Pom.

[Verdilac]

I liked what Gardener said,I never went anywhere near light the last time around, I wasn't very happy about crossing over,I do remember that,as I had everyone I needed around me and in my life , but that's not to say the light situation doesn't happen, but what if the light some people see is the 1st moments of your new life

As for not getting a choice,what if you make too many bad choices in your life then that choice is one that is taken away by yourself through self dought, or you do get a choice and make the decision to forget everything as it too confusing & wiping the slate clean may be a better idea, as we all have impulses that make us do great & good things but also bad things

[ZooLife]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Posted by ZooLife (here)

Posted by Milneman (here)
There is also the chance (perish the thought) that Simon could be wrong.

You have far better things to keep you up at night than this problem. If it even is a problem.

Might you better be suited to ponder what to do with the time you have here and now? Let the afterlife look after itself, whatever it may or may not be.

Why are you here? You are here. What are you going to do with here while you are in it?

Tiddly pom!

It's all connected. You cannot minimize one without minimizing the other. You cannot elevate the one without elevating the other.

That is not entirely the case.... you could pretend that one is better or more important then the other.

Or....it isn't.

Choose.

The choosing is superficial.

[Meggings]

doetem wrote: ... Simon spoke of not going into the light. Aren't we here now because we failed? How can I be sure this won't happen when my life comes to an end?

We are NOT here because we failed. We are here to learn and grow. Your best bet of not going into the light at the end of this lifetime is to decide not to NOW. Hold instead the thought that you want to return to your own greater soul, to Source - however you visualize your own higher self.

Shezbeth wrote:...if you do your best there is no more than can be asked....

Well said. Focus on your life here, and rest in that confidence.

Gatita wrote: ... Maybe some part of you continues and regrets not completing [something]...

Having regret is an energetic pull. If you have done your best, you can move on with clear energies that do not pull you back to complete something. Deep traumas in your life can also hold you "stuck" in lower 4D, so do some introspection and resolve what you are able to before leaving embodiment.

TrumanCash wrote: ...the truth can set one free...understanding the truth of the situation we are in is of prime importance and then firmly deciding not to go to the light while one is embodied...

Well spoke. Knowing something of the structures you might encounter will help you choose.

Verdilac wrote: What if you don't get a choice, what if its a pull like a magnet...

You get a choice, even if you feel a pull you need not respond to it. Keep your focus on going higher and returning to your higher soul.

I write as one who has at times walked seamlessly, consciously, between 4D into 3D and back again. We all do this every night when we go to sleep and our consciousness leaves the 3D body, but few remember it. There is nothing to fear, for even if you get so-called "trapped", you eventually will carry on, leaving this arena of life. Your greater soul has its plans for your evolution in hand, so trust comes into the equation that all is well. Fear can trap you, and the best antidote for that is knowledge.

I hope my few words have helped put you at ease. If you truly do not want to go into the light, then decide beforehand that you will not do so.

[Sunny-side-up]

Be at Peace and Love and don't fight!

Don't be shocked or mesmerized by the first light, have a look around

Hold great intent and wan't what is right and have faith that it will be right!

Look for what seems right to/for you, who could do more than that!

Love, Peace and Health
Alan

[doetem]

Posted by Milneman (here)
There is also the chance (perish the thought) that Simon could be wrong.

You have far better things to keep you up at night than this problem. If it even is a problem.

Might you better be suited to ponder what to do with the time you have here and now? Let the afterlife look after itself, whatever it may or may not be.

Why are you here? You are here. What are you going to do with here while you are in it?

Tiddly pom!

I completely understand you.
These thoughts just come to me in the moment where I seem most vulnerable.
Im not scared of them but nervous.
And dont you worry! I am not forgetting about my time here in this body.
I'm using life to learn and have come to recognize that while I'm here, it's what I should do.
My beliefs will stick with me until I perish.
Perhaps the simple fact that they are are enough power and strength for me.