Is Russell Brand a Rothschild shill?

[MorningFox]

His call for people not to vote is only ever going to influence the left, liberal types which potentially leaves it open for the right to win a clear victory.

He is a dangerous man and not working for the good of the people.

[Skyhaven]

This is absolutely ridiculous. Here's a man who advocates against war (violence), religion, the propaganda of the media, shallow values in fashion and commerce, the top of the pyramid where ruling elites control the resources, and we are concerned with the phantoms of conspiracies that might or might not have some influence on this man?? Really? Come on people, why not just value what this man is speaking about and wake up from your paranoid mindsets.

[Wind]

Skyhaven, stop talking sense there! It's just way too much fun to be paranoid!

[Daozen]

It's getting harder and harder for me to give Brand the benefit of the doubt.

"The Millionaire Marxist"

[wishinshow]

@skyhaven I can understand why you would say this, I really can. And I empathise with the sentiment. However, there is always another layer to the knowledge. That there is "always another layer" is not paranoia; this is a universal fact. And very often when somebody presents a big fat sack of the finest oats; somebody else has put a spoonful of rat poison in there to mess up our stomachs. My contention is that everything that Russell says, is great; except for the anthropogenic climate change and the need for a revolution. He also stands accused of omitting many details of the conspiracy story that I/we believe he is well aware of. This omission may be political expedience on his part. I/we have not made a final judgement on this issue. Only time will tell.

[MorningFox]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
This is absolutely ridiculous. Here's a man who advocates against war (violence), religion, the propaganda of the media, shallow values in fashion and commerce, the top of the pyramid where ruling elites control the resources, and we are concerned with the phantoms of conspiracies that might or might not have some influence on this man?? Really? Come on people, why not just value what this man is speaking about and wake up from your paranoid mindsets.

It's not ridiculous, it's intelligent to be weary. Ridiculous is taking everything at face value, especially when it's pushed so readily by mainstream media.

[wishinshow]

Posted by Wind (here)
Skyhaven, stop talking sense there! It's just way too much fun to be paranoid!

Don't you guys think that chemtrails, GMO, pesticides, taxation, federal reserve fiat currency, eugenics vaccines, cell phone radiation, HAARP, secret space program, reptiles, mantids and Walt Disney give us all reason to err on the cautious to paranoid side?

[Skyhaven]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
@skyhaven I can understand why you would say this, I really can. And I empathise with the sentiment. However, there is always another layer to the knowledge. That there is "always another layer" is not paranoia; this is a universal fact. And very often when somebody presents a big fat sack of the finest oats; somebody else has put a spoonful of rat poison in there to mess up our stomachs. My contention is that everything that Russell says, is great; except for the anthropogenic climate change and the need for a revolution. He also stands accused of omitting many details of the conspiracy story that I/we believe he is well aware of. This omission may be political expedience on his part. I/we have not made a final judgement on this issue. Only time will tell.

So you want to spend your time on a presumably negative charged "layer" you know very little about? Of all the topics you could think of you could create, you had to shoot the messenger? Its sad, really.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by MorningFox (here)

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
This is absolutely ridiculous. Here's a man who advocates against war (violence), religion, the propaganda of the media, shallow values in fashion and commerce, the top of the pyramid where ruling elites control the resources, and we are concerned with the phantoms of conspiracies that might or might not have some influence on this man?? Really? Come on people, why not just value what this man is speaking about and wake up from your paranoid mindsets.

It's not ridiculous, it's intelligent to be weary. Ridiculous is taking everything at face value, especially when it's pushed so readily by mainstream media.

Your mind wants to think everything through, fill topics with bloated reason, and then it tells itself its intelligent, but in the mean time your a slave to this process.

I follow my intuition on these matters, I know Russel is a good guy just by watching/listening to him. Its that simple, no need to think everything through.

[wishinshow]

I don't understand the question, @skyhaven.

I want people to question aspects of Russell Brand's message and to question his agenda.

I ask you all. Would you give Bill Ryan as hard a time as you are giving me/us, if he was questioning whether or not a witness/whistleblower was adding lies to his testimony? is it any different when the "witness" is a funny celebrity?

[wishinshow]

I've said this before. Many people thought Jimmy Saville was a "good guy". Many people think that a number of pedophiles which are currently in positions of power are "good guys". It's about questioning.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I don't understand the question, @skyhaven.

I want people to question aspects of Russell Brand's message and to question his agenda.

I ask you all. Would you give Bill Ryan as hard a time as you are giving me/us, if he was questioning whether or not a witness/whistleblower was adding lies to his testimony? is it any different when the "witness" is a funny celebrity?

I am open for any type of questioning, but your opening post offers no proof, nor any references to any proof, but instead you've chosen your topic title in a way an ordinary gossip tabloid would, just to draw people in.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I've said this before. Many people thought Jimmy Saville was a "good guy". Many people think that a number of pedophiles which are currently in positions of power are "good guys". It's about questioning.

If you want to live in a default state of distrust towards other people, then that's your choice, but remember what goes around comes around, so you will be distrusted too.

[fractal being]

Well this thread has become surprisingly long given it's pretty straight forward title. I guess the fact that several different topics are unfairly merged into one thread has a big contribution to it. Nevertheless thank you wishinshow for starting it, I'll try to address each one separately:

Russel Brand: A pretty short answer to the thread title would be "who cares"?

But for the benefit of the conversation, let's say that he is. Then he is a puppet. Would you waste your energy on targeting him out of a system where the likes of david cameron, nigel farage, the queen and plenty of other banker sociopaths reside?

There's an excellent thread on avalon that might help you ponder on that:
Where Attention goes focus goes

Now let's say that he's not a shill. then why would he not speak openly about 911? The real question is, having the same amount of media exposure as him, would you? It's easy to do the talk, but you might find it difficult yourself to do the walk. I don't think anybody would be that ignorant to not realize that it could be the perfect opportunity for those wishing to start a which-hunt. It's very easy to state opinions when you're in the spotlight, but when it involves commenting on the loss of thousand of lives to their relatives in another country, you'd pretty much have to have UNAMBIGUOUS, ABSOLUTE PROOF backing such claims and I don't think any single person is able to provide that. Jesse Ventura is talking about an issue regarding his own country and thus he can claim that he has first hand experience on the matter. And honestly I fail to see how not stating certain facts can remove any merit from whatever else you say.

Revolution: Maybe it's outside your Scandinavian* experience but the majority of our human fellows are STARVING and suffering from abuse and exploitation today and we have the resources and technology to fix that tomorrow. Yes it will take a revolution to achieve that. Unfortunately praying and meditating can't change that alone. Heck knows how hard I've tried. In the past revolutions have been violent. Although I would be willing to argue whether the fight of a slave for freedom is an act of violence or an act of liberation, it's never too late to correct that and I truly believe that we have higher chances of achieving it this time around. It's really up to me and you, isn't it?

Global warming. Well Dennis covered that very eloquently and he pretty much nailed it on whats the difference between a NWO promoted global warming agenda and the evident environmental destruction. It is true that our fellow plants have demonstrated a remarkably higher than anticipated efficiency in absorbing CO2, but it is also true that we are removing more and more plants from that equation. Not to mention that any average Beijing citizen would have a very different perspective on CO2 levels from yours.

Now as you say the NWO global warming agenda is an agenda and as such it involves the promotion of certain ideas like fracking, expensive and inefficient power generating alternatives, sustainable development, carbon taxes etc. I would love it if you could pinpoint to me, at which speech RB promotes any part of that agenda. I hope you do realize that not everybody is equally educated on environmental matters and it's easy for a common fellow to mix up those two notions.

Advocating the shift towards more environmentally friendly methods like wind turbines are cosidered to be could also mean that somebody is not educated enough to know that wind turbines are neither an efficient power source nor an environmentally friendly method, it doesn't necessarily mean that they promote the same agenda as the NWO guys. After all nobody knows everything at their full extent. Maybe as a more educated person on the matter you should focus your energy on filling those gaps rather than accusing him or anybody else for not doing it for you.

As a final point regarding your Fabian socialism fears: I agree that that kind of socialism is not perfect, but it is still way better than any other existent applied model of human societies. Believe me I would consider it a huge improvement if more nations would use their energy resources to fund the healthcare, education and pension schemes for all their citizens as Norway does instead of gifting them TAX FREE to private corporations as most other nations do. Any given day...

* I do know that DK is not Scandinavian, I'm just referring to similar standards of living.

[wishinshow]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I've said this before. Many people thought Jimmy Saville was a "good guy". Many people think that a number of pedophiles which are currently in positions of power are "good guys". It's about questioning.

If you want to live in a default state of distrust towards other people, then that's your choice, but remember what goes around comes around, so you will be distrusted too.

I don't live in a default state of distrust towards, "people". I live in a constant state of distrust towards government and the higher echelons of our society. Why wouldn't I?

[donk]

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Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I've said this before. Many people thought Jimmy Saville was a "good guy". Many people think that a number of pedophiles which are currently in positions of power are "good guys". It's about questioning.

If you want to live in a default state of distrust towards other people, then that's your choice, but remember what goes around comes around, so you will be distrusted too.

Why does everyone assume us "negative nellies" that like to look at things from different angles (that seem so negative and scary to the "positive police") assume just because we can't dismiss the information we choose not to ignore and the feelings we get beyond those that lead yall to worship and defend your favorite gurus that it means we want to destroy them or be mean and hurtful or lower your vibration or whatever you put on us when we dare suggest anything not all "love & lighty" or point out inconsistencies in people you see doing some positive?

I didn't used to have the discernment skills you all seem to have and project on the rest of the world. I worshipped many folks who were positive & helpful...spreading the word about these great great people cuz they transmitted a few of my favorite beliefs. I ate up everything they said....and got all upset when anyone dare say anything counter to what I wanted to believe about them.

Reading "negative" information is what woke me up. It was crushing to find my favorite person was not exactly who I thought he was, but ultimately stopping the lies to myself and the actual truth set me free...and set me off for massive growth. Thinking differently changed my life...and I feel trying to help others do the same is a service--not a bringing down of any vibration or whatever you want to project on to it.

I don't contribute to these types of threads because I like to trash people or feel cool or rankle feathers or whatever you keep projecting on to others. I usually don't give a ratsass about the messenger...I particiapte to watch this phenomonon. If the positive police are going to come attack us negative nellies anytime critical thought is applied to a celeb or pet belief, I'll be here for to help try to balance it.

Yeah outrageous statements to get attention are silly. It can be said once, even though it should be as obvious as everything you all like to repeat. Then maybe after we're don't chastising everyone who we don't like the way they speak or throw their poo around, maybe we can get real information or first hand accounts (like akasha's that none of the RB lovers seem to want to touch)?

[wishinshow]

Thank you for your in depth post, @fractalbeing.

Is it possible that we are subject to an ideological difference which is very extreme? Would you trust a post revolutionary socialist or otherwise government to administer health care, education, technology etc to her subjects? If yes, then we are at odds.

I would never trust any government in this current reality (this 3D planet). I believe that we the people have outgrown money, we have outgrown government and that we have outgrown religions.

There has been a trojan horse in every political/economical/technological/religious "advance" since time immemorial and I will have no more of any system where it is possible that the health system could degenerate into a system which gives everybody cancer, the economic system could make everybody poor and the political system could promote pedophiles and satanists to the highest office. It's finished. We need to move past government and transcend our 3D existence.

The emblem of the Fabian socialists is a wolf in sheeps' clothing. The society was founded 100 years (1884) before George Orwell wrote about this very society that he was a part of! I invite you to investigate this AND to research the eugenics movement which socialism was designed for.

FYI I am Scottish. And I do live in a part of Scandinavia called Denmark. Denmark like the rest of Scandinavia is a Fabian socialist Rothschild subsidised (or non Rothschild raped!) narcissistic alienating country where I have a great time doing yoga and meeting the most genetically amazing (individualistic Pleiedian dolphin) people that it is possible to meet. Scandinavia is being used to showcase totalitarian control as cuddly and sweet.

I want 50 times more CO2 in the atmosphere because plants like it and I like plants.



(Where does the apostrophe in "a wolf in sheep's' clothing", go?)

[wishinshow]

@donk. That was an amazing post and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[Lochinvar]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
Jesse Ventura calls 911 as it is and he also calls the anthropo-climate-change-scam, as it is.

I ask the forum: do you think that we could go so far as to say that the litmus test for a Terran hominid being awake,or not, could be found in their response to these two subjects?

Yes indeed. Perfect examples of modern day shibboleth.

[Lochinvar]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
His call for people not to vote is only ever going to influence the left, liberal types which potentially leaves it open for the right to win a clear victory.

He is a dangerous man and not working for the good of the people.

Voting changes nothing though. Turning our backs on voting (which is a distraction) is needed. Energy flows where the attention goes afterall. Deprive it of energy and it fades away.