Is Russell Brand a Rothschild shill?

[Camilo]

He plays on both sides, and takes advantage of what each has to offer.

[wishinshow]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I don't understand the question, @skyhaven.

I want people to question aspects of Russell Brand's message and to question his agenda.

I ask you all. Would you give Bill Ryan as hard a time as you are giving me/us, if he was questioning whether or not a witness/whistleblower was adding lies to his testimony? is it any different when the "witness" is a funny celebrity?

I am open for any type of questioning, but your opening post offers no proof, nor any references to any proof, but instead you've chosen your topic title in a way an ordinary gossip tabloid would, just to draw people in.

When there is a murder; we look for evidence. When somebody who says that they are helping has enough Rothschild connections to be possible heir to the federal reserve: we ask questions.

And I really cannot top the post which @donk has recently made. Well done @donk.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by donk (here)
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Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I've said this before. Many people thought Jimmy Saville was a "good guy". Many people think that a number of pedophiles which are currently in positions of power are "good guys". It's about questioning.

If you want to live in a default state of distrust towards other people, then that's your choice, but remember what goes around comes around, so you will be distrusted too.

Why does everyone assume us "negative nellies" that like to look at things from different angles (that seem so negative and scary to the "positive police") assume just because we can't dismiss the information we choose not to ignore and the feelings we get beyond those that lead yall to worship and defend your favorite gurus that it means we want to destroy them or be mean and hurtful or lower your vibration or whatever you put on us when we dare suggest anything not all "love & lighty" or point out inconsistencies in people you see doing some positive?

I didn't used to have the discernment skills you all seem to have and project on the rest of the world. I worshipped many folks who were positive & helpful...spreading the word about these great great people cuz they transmitted a few of my favorite beliefs. I ate up everything they said....and got all upset when anyone dare say anything counter to what I wanted to believe about them.

Reading "negative" information is what woke me up. It was crushing to find my favorite person was not exactly who I thought he was, but ultimately stopping the lies to myself and the actual truth set me free...and set me off for massive growth. Thinking differently changed my life...and I feel trying to help others do the same is a service--not a bringing down of any vibration or whatever you want to project on to it.

I don't contribute to these types of threads because I like to trash people or feel cool or rankle feathers or whatever you keep projecting on to others. I usually don't give a ratsass about the messenger...I particiapte to watch this phenomonon. If the positive police are going to come attack us negative nellies anytime critical thought is applied to a celeb or pet belief, I'll be here for to help try to balance it.

Yeah outrageous statements to get attention are silly. It can be said once, even though it should be as obvious as everything you all like to repeat. Then maybe after we're don't chastising everyone who we don't like the way they speak or throw their poo around, maybe we can get real information or first hand accounts (like akasha's that none of the RB lovers seem to want to touch)?

I embrace negativity just as much as positivity, if it is based in what I think is true. If I didn't embrace negativity I wouldn't have responded in the negative way I did, would I? But since the openings post is filled with suggestive, unproven gossip, it isn't that strange that this dissonance is going to resonate steadily through the entire topic now, is it? You might have engaged in critical thinking yourself, but the foundation of this thread remains flawed with false suggestions. So to me it seems obvious that a constructive conversation with critical thinking with such a foundation isn't going to be smooth sailing.

[wishinshow]

@skyhaven Can you tell me why it is gossip to say that RB's girlfriend's brothers are both married to Rothschilds? Can you tell me why it is gossip to say that RB doesn't address Scottish election fraud and removes posts from his youtube channel that say this? Can you tell me why it is gossip to call RB out on his adherence to a climate change Rothschild carbon tax scam?

To say that the above is "gossip", is completely ludicrous. What it is, is circumstantial evidence and evidence for him having an agenda other than or even opposed to that which he says his agenda is. He's a 25 million dollar cultural Marxist. I mean, I know that the Rothschilds are 25 trillion dollar cultural Marxists but you gotta' start somewhere.

[donk]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Posted by donk (here)
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Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I've said this before. Many people thought Jimmy Saville was a "good guy". Many people think that a number of pedophiles which are currently in positions of power are "good guys". It's about questioning.

If you want to live in a default state of distrust towards other people, then that's your choice, but remember what goes around comes around, so you will be distrusted too.

Why does everyone assume us "negative nellies" that like to look at things from different angles (that seem so negative and scary to the "positive police") assume just because we can't dismiss the information we choose not to ignore and the feelings we get beyond those that lead yall to worship and defend your favorite gurus that it means we want to destroy them or be mean and hurtful or lower your vibration or whatever you put on us when we dare suggest anything not all "love & lighty" or point out inconsistencies in people you see doing some positive?

I didn't used to have the discernment skills you all seem to have and project on the rest of the world. I worshipped many folks who were positive & helpful...spreading the word about these great great people cuz they transmitted a few of my favorite beliefs. I ate up everything they said....and got all upset when anyone dare say anything counter to what I wanted to believe about them.

Reading "negative" information is what woke me up. It was crushing to find my favorite person was not exactly who I thought he was, but ultimately stopping the lies to myself and the actual truth set me free...and set me off for massive growth. Thinking differently changed my life...and I feel trying to help others do the same is a service--not a bringing down of any vibration or whatever you want to project on to it.

I don't contribute to these types of threads because I like to trash people or feel cool or rankle feathers or whatever you keep projecting on to others. I usually don't give a ratsass about the messenger...I particiapte to watch this phenomonon. If the positive police are going to come attack us negative nellies anytime critical thought is applied to a celeb or pet belief, I'll be here for to help try to balance it.

Yeah outrageous statements to get attention are silly. It can be said once, even though it should be as obvious as everything you all like to repeat. Then maybe after we're don't chastising everyone who we don't like the way they speak or throw their poo around, maybe we can get real information or first hand accounts (like akasha's that none of the RB lovers seem to want to touch)?

I embrace negativity just as much as positivity, if it is based in what I think is true. If I didn't embrace negativity I wouldn't have responded in the negative way I did, would I? But since the openings post is filled with suggestive, unproven gossip, it isn't that strange that this dissonance is going to resonate steadily through the entire topic now, is it? You might have engaged in critical thinking yourself, but the foundation of this thread remains flawed with false suggestions. So to me it seems obvious that a constructive conversation with critical thinking with such a foundation isn't going to be smooth sailing.

It's not strange, from that perspective. But perhaps you can get past the op? You may think of the thread as some sort of cohesive unit...but some of us--like me, ignore the emotional outbursts and baseless opinions and actually find nuggets of information.

And even the stuff I dismiss is useful to me, it tells me a lot about the posters (and those that react to them)

[MorningFox]

Posted by MorningFox (here)

It's not ridiculous, it's intelligent to be weary. Ridiculous is taking everything at face value, especially when it's pushed so readily by mainstream media.

Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Your mind wants to think everything through, fill topics with bloated reason, and then it tells itself its intelligent, but in the mean time your a slave to this process.

I follow my intuition on these matters, I know Russel is a good guy just by watching/listening to him. Its that simple, no need to think everything through.

Haha. How pompous and ignorant of you to assume you know how my mind works. How arrogant and foolish of you to be manipulated by Brand's adept allure and charm and then claim that your intuition is law simply because he has won you over with his charade. How ridiculous to call out other's reasonable assertions and observations as gossip simply because it clashes with your opinion. An opinion based on no more than Brand's rather eloquent act.

The mind really does boggle at some people.

[donk]

And even the talk about the talk is enlightening to me, in its own way...perhaps those always commenting on how others comment can be more forthcoming in why they feel the need to interject in conversations they could easily choose to not post in--or imagine this: even choose to not read?

I personally prefer reading outrageous emotional outburst or far out opinions to "I'm so tired of reading these posts". It's just silly. Maybe even a form of "gatekeeping"?

Maybe you don't believe trashing people adds value...and I tend to agree, but it is enlightening, on certain levels. As is the phenomonon of people needing to "correct" those people. i recognize I am engaging in it myself...i recognize I'm directing my energy that way...do you?

[Skyhaven]

Posted by MorningFox (here)

Posted by MorningFox (here)

It's not ridiculous, it's intelligent to be weary. Ridiculous is taking everything at face value, especially when it's pushed so readily by mainstream media.

Posted by Skyhaven (here)

Your mind wants to think everything through, fill topics with bloated reason, and then it tells itself its intelligent, but in the mean time your a slave to this process.

I follow my intuition on these matters, I know Russel is a good guy just by watching/listening to him. Its that simple, no need to think everything through.

haha, how pompous and ignorant of you to assume you know how my mind works. How arrogant and foolish of you to be manipulated by Brand's adept allure and charm and then claim that your intuition is law over other's reasonable assertions and observations, simply because he has won you over with his charade.

The mind really does boggle at some people.

and does it work for you? the mind I mean? Hey I didn't claim my intuition is law over your mind. I am just saying that intuition knows better than "the" mind.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by donk (here)
And even the talk about the talk is enlightening to me, in its own way...perhaps those always commenting on how others comment can be more forthcoming in why they feel the need to interject in conversations they could easily choose to not post in--or imagine this: even choose to not read?

I personally prefer reading outrageous emotional outburst or far out opinions to "I'm so tired of reading these posts". It's just silly. Maybe even a form of "gatekeeping"?

Maybe you don't believe trashing people adds value...and I tend to agree, but it is enlightening, on certain levels. As is the phenomonon of people needing to "correct" those people. i recognize I am engaging in it myself...i recognize I'm directing my energy that way...do you?

In my opinion there's no right and wrong in this. I'm just giving my opinion. I usually don't give my opinion on these matters, because I don't want to. Of course I could choose not to respond, but today I wanted to. So there are no hard feelings here for me, I am not offended, nor am I defending RB. I'm just pointing out to the gossip-like nature of this thread: I mean people are even calling RB 'dangerous', this is so off with my own perception that I felt I needed to jump in, that's it.

[wishinshow]

I think that the subconscious projections here are that - if RB is a shill - if he has been got to - then perhaps we are all corruptable. I know I am. I'm sure if the shadow government went through my internet history and dialled me up for a visit, they could push enough buttons to put me on a ticket to the moon with the vampires. Maybe not. But maybe. The more I know; the less likely it becomes that I would flake and cave to the pressure. I think that this RB thread is about that.

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I called him dangerous in the op. And I stand by it. Dangerous.

[wishinshow]

And this is a great thread and I'm proud to have posted the op. This is what existence and perspective is all about. The good, the bad, the ugly the brave, the weak, the love, the fear, the knowledge, the truth, the wisdom. And I have another 46 trillion years to go. Wow. It's beautiful. Come on guys. It's beautiful that we sit here and discuss. So let's just say a big thank you to each other.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
@skyhaven Can you tell me why it is gossip to say that RB's girlfriend's brothers are both married to Rothschilds? Can you tell me why it is gossip to say that RB doesn't address Scottish election fraud and removes posts from his youtube channel that say this? Can you tell me why it is gossip to call RB out on his adherence to a climate change Rothschild carbon tax scam?

To say that the above is "gossip", is completely ludicrous. What it is, is circumstantial evidence and evidence for him having an agenda other than or even opposed to that which he says his agenda is. He's a 25 million dollar cultural Marxist. I mean, I know that the Rothschilds are 25 trillion dollar cultural Marxists but you gotta' start somewhere.

Even if I was the son of a 'bad' Rothschild would that automatically mean that I have the values of my father? You can't just say the guy has the same name so he belongs to the bad guys. Everyone is different and you can't just judge everyone for his/her appearance or name. Maybe the son came in to teach the father he's off track? Who is to judge?

[fractal being]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
Thank you for your in depth post, @fractalbeing.

Is it possible that we are subject to an ideological difference which is very extreme?

I would find that unlikely since I don't consider myself a victim of ideologies or any form of dogmatism. I'm open to all constructive criticism.

Posted by wishinshow (here)
I want 50 times more CO2 in the atmosphere because plants like it and I like plants.

I'm not sure whether I should respond seriously to this. You do realize that CO2 does not come alone, but in a mixture with other dangerous chemicals and heavy metals that are toxic for plants and animals alike. Any increase in CO2 content equals to a proportional increase of all the other hazards. And frankly how much more bluntly to put it other than WE ARE KILLING PLANTS THROUGH, DEFORESTATION, GRAZING, DESERTIFICATION, CONTAMINATION OF WATER RESERVOIRS. The beautiful island of Crete in the Mediterranean used to be covered 95% with plantation just 350 years ago, now it's a poor 30%. x

Posted by wishinshow (here)
Thank you for your in depth post, @fractalbeing.

Would you trust a post revolutionary socialist or otherwise government to administer health care, education, technology etc to her subjects? If yes, then we are at odds.

I would never trust any government in this current reality (this 3D planet). I believe that we the people have outgrown money, we have outgrown government and that we have outgrown religions.

The emblem of the Fabian socialists is a wolf in sheeps clothing. The society was founded 100 years (1884) before George Orwell wrote about this very society that he was a part of! I invite you to investigate this AND to research the eugenics movement which socialism was designed for.

Of course I wouldn't blindly trust any government at any dimensional reality. However the fact that a certain group is pushing an agenda towards a perverted form of socialism, doesn't mean that ANY form of socialism works in favor of that agenda. That kind of mindset leads to inactivity. If you are so negatively conditioned towards the word socialism, we might call it something else if you wish, let's say "blue chair", as soon as we agree on the core values. The fact is that the tools we have at hand to administrate the needs of millions of people are limited in this 3D reality and therefore we have to work with what we have.

From that perspective the push towards a transitory "blue chair" establishment that offers access to basic needs for all human beings, transparency in policy making, scrutiny of military and scientific developments and unrestricted input in decision making for all seems like an inevitable step to me, before we collectively evolve into our higher selves.

Do you think that it's not possible to achieve all these even without fully acknowledging our current technological potential? If the government was not elected but chosen randomly through lotteries among all citizens with the sole purpose of fulfilling the above requirements, do you think it would degenerate in the same corrupted way as a government coming from the current electoral pharso-comedy? If yes then what's there to hope?

Posted by wishinshow (here)
(Where does the apostrophe in "a wolf in sheep's' clothing", go?)

In this context sheep is singular, so it goes before the 's



I get the feeling that you are not being honest when you add a question mark on the title. It seems to me that you are already convinced that he is a shill and just looking for confirmation, so from that POW my apologies for raining on your parade.

[wishinshow]

@fractalbeing the title of the op wa changed by Billy to be a question. Prior to this it was an out and out statement. So you did well to point this out. I want a tesla machine to make only CO2 and perhaps 50x is too much but we'd have a lot better crops at 5x. I'm sorry I can't reply in better detail now: I'm making dinner! Have a lovely evening. I'm not so sure that sheep is singular, here. A wolf in A sheep's clothing. A wolf in sheeps' clothing. I don't know.

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@skyhaven I'm sure that there are many Rothchilds with a positive helpful to Terran hominid perspective and with desires that are in line with that. Perhaps RB is in with them. Perhaps he's not. What about the other questions I asked you?

[Skyhaven]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
@fractalbeing the title of the op wa changed by Billy to be a question. Prior to this it was an out and out statement. So you did well to point this out. I want a tesla machine to make only CO2 and perhaps 50x is too much but we'd have a lot better crops at 5x. I'm sorry I can't reply in better detail now: I'm making dinner! Have a lovely evening. I'm not so sure that sheep is singular, here. A wolf in A sheep's clothing. A wolf in sheeps' clothing. I don't know.

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@skyhaven I'm sure that there are many Rothchilds with a positive helpful to Terran hominid perspective and with desires that are in line with that. Perhaps RB is in with them. Perhaps he's not. What about the other questions I asked you?

Can you tell me why it is gossip to say that RB doesn't address Scottish election fraud and removes posts from his youtube channel that say this?

The things he doesn't address say nothing factual about his opinions towards them. He just didn't address them, if you think there's a reason behind it, then you must assume there is a reason behind all the things he doesn't address. This reasoning leads you nowhere.

Can you tell me why it is gossip to call RB out on his adherence to a climate change Rothschild carbon tax scam?

I haven't heard him say literally he supports the Rothschild carbon tax scam. He's recognizes human-created climate change, but half of the western world does. You just can't simply make the jump to assume that he therefore shares a Rothschild agenda.


You can't tie all of these assumptions together and think you're are going to end up with some truthful perspective. That's what I mean with the gossip-like nature of this thread, you'll need something more solid than that.

[wishinshow]

@skyhaven I agree. These are good points. The accusation is that he deleted the posts about election fraud while not deleting posts about other subjects. Hopefully somebody can offer the proof we need in this thread. Or perhaps Russell himself can chime in. Let's hope so: he's ever so attractive and charming.

[Skyhaven]

Actually I find it more dangerous that people here find him dangerous than him actually being dangerous. But then again he clearly wants to identify himself along the lines of jesus christ and gandhi, so maybe he himself is ok with the prospect of going down as a martyr.

[Skyhaven]

And maybe he didn't address the Scottish election fraud because as he had said on many occasions he is against the current political system. He himself therefore doesn't vote at all.

[wishinshow]

There are some people who have compared themselves to Jesus, who have, indeed, been very dangerous for those around them!

Looks like this thread has finally petered out. Thank you to all.

[Skyhaven]

Posted by wishinshow (here)
There are some people who have compared themselves to Jesus, who have, indeed, been very dangerous for those around them!

Looks like this thread has finally petered out. Thank you to all.

I have always seen the crucifixion of Jesus as a metaphor for the crucifixion of the Ego-self, and I must say he is building up quite an ego...