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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    Clearly not every pilot or airline will be involved with geoengineering. The evidence and research is overwheliming, why is it that soil samples taken underneath housing contains non of the nano particulates.

    There are numerous government and military whistleblowers that confirm what is going on including numerous politicians around the world that have admitted that experiments are taking place and have been since about 1999. There are many people that do not believe ET exists and could not possibly have been hidden by the Government, the globalist elite are a fiction to 95% of the world.

    We should all be aware of the purpose of the NWO and agenda 21. Simon Parkes and others have confirmed on numerous occasions the purpose of chemtrailing and apart from lowering human immunity and fertility it is part of the Haap programe relating to EM weapons and early detection of previously undetectable ET craft entering our atmoshere without permission.

    As I understand contrails are frozen water particles that cannot last longer than a few minutes at the most and not most of the day
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    Quote Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
    With special additives added to kerosene ranging (including but not restricted to Aluminum, Strontrium and Barium, for all sorts good (?) or bad reasons to be explored), my understanding is that most civil air pilot don't even realize they pollute or spray (analogy: an automobile driver using diesel doesn't realize how nefarious fine particles from his exhaust pipe are).
    I just thought, what if additives were added not only to kerosene but also to automobile diesel so that they could spray us both from above AND from below ?



    Don't even try one of these, never know what they could put in there:

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    Quote Posted by Chipsam (here)
    This has always been hard for me, but to be honest this is hardly definitive evidence.
    At one point in my career I was Captain on a Gulfstream 550. This particular aircraft had security cameras that we could activate in flight. One of which was rear mounted and allowed me to view our contrails.
    I used this many times to observe contrail formations with the specific intent not to debunk the chemtrail conspirators but to settle my own curiosities in regards to this phenomena.
    What I observed was formation of contrails of various sizes that related to specific temps and densities of atmosphere that we were in at the time. Often it looked as though we were hitting a button and turning these off or on, but it was just the conditions of the atmosphere that we were in at the time.
    Sometimes our contrails were thick and wider than the span of the wings, which from the ground would look like we were dispensing along the wing much like a agriculture crop duster would be doing.
    I have spent 20 years flying corporate aircraft all over the world and I have never seen any aircraft chemspraying nor have I seen an aircraft equipped for this.
    Many times I have spoken to friends that have looked up and commented on aircraft with normal contrails that they asserted were chemspraying. At some points I have been accused of being "in" on this, or even a govt shill on other forums.
    I am not debunking, just stating what I know and have observed myself as a conscientious observer.
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    I appreciate your point of view Chipsam and I agree that this one video clip is hardly definitive evidence. And I understand you aren't attempting to debunk the Chemtrail issue. However, I believe if you do the research you will find there is ample evidence to support the Chemtrailing issue, including, and not necessarily limited to, geoengineering government patents and documents, government, military bio-environment personnel, pilots, scientists, and doctors who have come forward along with other alleged "insider" whistleblowers, geoengineers admitting on tape to the reality of geoengineering, chemical soil and water tests with highly elevated particulates of aluminum, barium and strontium, etc.

    While there are, no doubt, many people who will still refute, ignore, or otherwise pooh-pooh all of this testimony and evidence, I think most rational people, who have looked at a reasonable amount of the "credible" evidence, will not.
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    What about this one?



    Oxygen mask anyone ?
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    Quote Posted by Atlas (here)
    [I just thought, what if additives were added not only to kerosene but also to automobile diesel so that they could spray us both from above AND from below ?
    ha, ha
    The slight difference is IMHO the fact that environment associations or even individuals could relatively easely test benzine/gasoil for certain pollutants whereas I assume jet fuel is less readily available for that sort of research. Although I may be wrong, if that was not the case, I doubt associations would spend so much efforts to test for soil/water/air samples.

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    Upper Tuolumne River Weather Modification Program

    Objective:
    Snowpack Augmentation
    Duration:
    2007 - Present
    Products and Services Provided:
    Aerial Program Ops Management & Personnel
    Aircraft for Cloud Seeding
    Meteorological Services

    http://weathermodification.com/projects.php?id=34

    Thanks whomever posted that website. Lots of ongoing projects in the Sierra nevadas of california for snow augmentation that are ongoing.
    All of their projects: http://weathermodification.com/projects.php

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    The wife and I noticed something this year. Looking at a jet that was overhead in the sky that looked like your sprayed sky hazy. It looked like it was spraying but in front of the plane the clouds where being pushed away bye half the length of the plane very weird and a black line also. I thought possible the radar in the plane causing this if it was the radar I would not want to be in front of it when it is on cook you like a hotdog. Anybody seen this before?

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    Older people like myself, may remember what a normal sky looks like. Start looking at the doppler radar every day, and see the patterns. And then people like this..
    By the way, Evergreen avaiation used to be the home and owner of a huge lot of the chemtrail business, but is now owned by ATLAS.

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    Also see this very important post,
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post796283

    here is the video posted


    and Bill Ryans intelligent response to the posted video here-
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post797249
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    Quote Posted by Chipsam (here)
    This has always been hard for me, but to be honest this is hardly definitive evidence.
    At one point in my career I was Captain on a Gulfstream 550. This particular aircraft had security cameras that we could activate in flight. One of which was rear mounted and allowed me to view our contrails.
    I used this many times to observe contrail formations with the specific intent not to debunk the chemtrail conspirators but to settle my own curiosities in regards to this phenomena.
    What I observed was formation of contrails of various sizes that related to specific temps and densities of atmosphere that we were in at the time. Often it looked as though we were hitting a button and turning these off or on, but it was just the conditions of the atmosphere that we were in at the time.
    Sometimes our contrails were thick and wider than the span of the wings, which from the ground would look like we were dispensing along the wing much like a agriculture crop duster would be doing.
    I have spent 20 years flying corporate aircraft all over the world and I have never seen any aircraft chemspraying nor have I seen an aircraft equipped for this.
    Many times I have spoken to friends that have looked up and commented on aircraft with normal contrails that they asserted were chemspraying. At some points I have been accused of being "in" on this, or even a govt shill on other forums.
    I am not debunking, just stating what I know and have observed myself as a conscientious observer.
    Thanks
    I appreciate your common sense, and your courage for speaking your evidence-based assessment I have always had a major problem with the 'Chemtrail' idea - although there is evidence that they have been considering atmospheric solutions via aerosol spraying, and perhaps there have been some testing of this. But in general I think mostly it has been a confused and paranoid concept. Thanks so much!

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    Quote Posted by Chipsam (here)
    Look
    Are they chem spraying?
    Absolutely!
    However, everywhere i go now anytime someone looks up and sees a normal contrail I hear chemtrail. From every airplane that leaves one.
    My only argument is to say at the very least know a little bit about how they are formed. So that when you really do some intimate research on the subject you will have some knowledge of the posing arguments.
    My observations were shared to help not to hinder.
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    We have chems here most days and I very much appreciate your input, thank you. I have one question for you; is there a minimum altitude at which contrails can form? I have seen planes spray quite low over our house and then the trails hang and fall as rope-like structures.
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    Quote Posted by observer (here)
    Just a little photographic evidence:




    These are pics of planes which are outfitted for the purpose of cloud seeding. The governments admit to cloud seeding and say the aluminium in the aerosol is not harmful, meanwhile studies suggest otherwise. The debunkers also argue that the levels of aluminium are harmless, meanwhile the contractors who are employed to carry out contracts are loosely regulated.

    In regards to cloud seeding, my stance is I don't trust our government or the corporations involved (their stated intent/objectives or studies on effects etc) and I do not consent to spraying of aerosols, of any kind, in our skies.

    Edit: My apologies, I meant to include your 1st, 3rd and 4th photo, I'm not certain what that device is on the plane in the second photo.

    I went looking for the photo Weather Modification Incorporated had on their site, it was the same style as your photos but their technology appears to have been upgraded since then, link to new photo here.

    Sources
    http://www.weathermodification.com/index.php
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/impacts...ffects/5342624
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    Have a look at the debate over there as well:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post658509

    ... and one may realize that "one size" cannot fit all!

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    There will be the believers, the naysayers, and the not sures.

    When you are one of those people that have witnessed the assault of the chemtrailing thousands of times, there is absolutely not doubt.
    And in my opinion, there is so much proof that general commercial air traffic absolutely cannot vary from 20 tanker jets going back and forth from dawn til dusk, and through the night, and then some day, a jet here and a jet there, and total blue skies as the result.
    Ive seen it, witnessed it, argued it til I am blue in the face. I will also go on a limb to say that a place like Avalon, where intelligent people gather with open minds (usually) if someone is hell bent on trying to convince that there is absolutely nothing more than contrails, well you either are lucky enough to not be breathing in metal all day, or you are a paid debunker, or you are simply brainwashed to not see it.
    There is the fact that some geographical locations are spray free. But if you are intelligent enough to understand the possibility/probability of UFOS, GOD, GHOSTS and other paranormal phenom, then it makes no sense to be black and white regarding the chemtrail argument.
    There is simply too much evidence, that proves that this is a real thing, and an assault on the entire earth. I have done my research, and I don't need to do it again, but anyone reading this, that is on the fence, well the documentation is available, the videos, the lab analysis, etc.

    Here is a good place to start your search.
    http://www.carnicominstitute.org/htm...s_by_date.html

    and here

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/c...-and-monsanto/
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    While spraying does happen and has been admitted to, the video is showing a contrail in an extremely humid atmosphere. The fact that the jet is "spraying" from "everywhere" is proof of this - there wouldn't be spray nozzles on every single part of the plane as appears in the video. I am educated and experienced enough to know a contrail when I see one, and I am sure there are many people who don't believe in spraying who can do the same. This video re-enforces the "stupid conspiracy theorist" stigma in those people and does legit conspiracy theorists a disservice in my opinion.

    Is this Formula one race car spraying nano-particles? no it's a contrail caused by highly humid air and the pressurization of that are across the cars downforce wings - planes do the same thing in highly humid air, but on a greater scale.








    Here's an F-18 spraying nano-particles ...





    And here's one where the pilot forgot to turn of his "chemtrails" while landing, lol ... looks a lot like the jet in the OP ... no?

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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    While spraying does happen and has been admitted to, the video is showing a contrail in an extremely humid atmosphere. The fact that the jet is "spraying" from "everywhere" is proof of this - there wouldn't be spray nozzles on every single part of the plane as appears in the video. I am educated and experienced enough to know a contrail when I see one, and I am sure there are many people who don't believe in spraying who can do the same. This video re-enforces the "stupid conspiracy theorist" stigma in those people and does legit conspiracy theorists a disservice in my opinion.

    Is this Formula one race car spraying nano-particles? no it's a contrail caused by highly humid air and the pressurization of that are across the cars downforce wings - planes do the same thing in highly humid air, but on a greater scale.








    Here's an F-18 spraying nano-particles ...





    And here's one where the pilot forgot to turn of his "chemtrails" while landing, lol ... looks a lot like the jet in the OP ... no?

    The difference is, VAPOR dissipates.

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

     
    For something more reliable as "proof" ...

    It's not a stretch from this evidence here below to spraying whatever they feel needs to be sprayed for whatever reason ... or a fake reason ... Anyone reminded of fluoride?

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    The difference is, VAPOR dissipates.
    The variation on vapour dissipation is 100% dependant on given atmospheric conditions. In fact vapour condensation can spontaneously manifest in the atmosphere in the right conditions -- how do you think clouds form on a previously clear day?

    Contrails usually do dissipate within a reasonable amount of time, but the variable, unfortunately, is from full-on "chemtrail" slow to no contrail at all.
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    "And here's one where the pilot forgot to turn of his "chemtrails" while landing, lol ... looks a lot like the jet in the OP ... no?"
    So, I went back to the OP and played it again, and I see no similarity what-so-ever to the jets in the debunk video, or those jets in the still photos posted, or even the formula car photos.

    The jet in the first few minutes of the OP is clearly turning the spraying on-and-off. The chemtrail in the OP is lasting as long as the video continues. The trail is turning on and off even as the jet passes through already formed cloud conditions. It turns on and off in clear sky. Is that jet raising and lowering in altitude? Is this how the debunkers would explain what I am seeing?

    In all the pictures and debunking video the vapor trails disappear nearly instantly.

    How are these examples in any way similar to the OP? Or for that matter, to any of the other dozens of examples of actual chemtrails offered throughout this thread?
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