Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
"And here's one where the pilot forgot to turn of his "chemtrails" while landing, lol ... looks a lot like the jet in the OP ... no?"

So, I went back to the OP and played it again, and I see no similarity what-so-ever to the jets in the debunk video ..."

I did in the sense that the vapour is coming from every part of the plane in both the OP and the video I posted. I wasn't going for a visual likeliness in the photos - just to point out the ease in which vapour can form when under a bit of pressure.

Posted by observer (here)
The jet in the first few minutes of the OP is clearly turning the spraying on-and-off.

In my opinion it is not "clearly"; what would the motivation be for sitting there at the switch or turning a valve just repeatedly turning it on and off? Does he have OCD really bad? Its a really weird argument to make.

Posted by observer (here)
The chemtrail in the OP is lasting as long as the video continues.

You can't really tell in the video at all - the trail lasts only a second at most before it leaves the frame. Even near the middle where he zooms out you can't see more than about 5 seconds of trail.

Posted by observer (here)
The trail is turning on and off even as the jet passes through already formed cloud conditions. It turns on and off in clear sky
...?

The atmosphere also has areas of formed vapour and non vapour - the lightly scattered but still slightly clumpy clouds seem to doing something similar. One can't be sure of the distance between cloud and plane.

Posted by observer (here)
In all the pictures and debunking video the vapor trails disappear nearly instantly.

Watch the video again from 19-30 seconds - it certainly stays hanging in the air.

Posted by observer (here)
Or for that matter, to any of the other dozens of examples of actual chemtrails offered throughout this thread?

To be honest I have seen very little video that is fully convincing to me, things like people starting to openly admit about atmospheric spraying bear a lot more weight than 99% for the "chemtrail videos" out there.

The video is interesting, but I am not convinced by it - that it is a genuine video of actually a plane spraying nano-particles or something to that effect.

If I were a total skeptic of the concept - this video likely wouldn't convince me ... just sayin'

[observer]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

Posted by observer (here)
Just a little photographic evidence:

These are pics of planes which are outfitted for the purpose of cloud seeding. The governments admit to cloud seeding and say the aluminium in the aerosol is not harmful, meanwhile studies suggest otherwise. The debunkers also argue that the levels of aluminium are harmless, meanwhile the contractors who are employed to carry out contracts are loosely regulated.

In regards to cloud seeding, my stance is I don't trust our government or the corporations involved (their stated intent/objectives or studies on effects etc) and I do not consent to spraying of aerosols, of any kind, in our skies.

Edit: My apologies, I meant to include your 1st, 3rd and 4th photo, I'm not certain what that device is on the plane in the second photo.

I went looking for the photo Weather Modification Incorporated had on their site, it was the same stye as your photos but their technology appears to have been upgraded since then, link to new photo here.

Sources
http://www.weathermodification.com/index.php
http://www.globalresearch.ca/impacts...ffects/5342624

Thank you for your critique, Innocent Warrior.

If you look closely at the first photograph in the series, you will notice that my photograph #3, and #4 are details of equipment applied to the side of the aircraft in #1. These are all of the same aircraft.

The other photos, your guess is as good as mine. Photo #2 looks to me to be a modified snorkel on a military tanker. Something very strange is going-on with all those photographs, the first, third and forth included. As far as I can tell, from the links you offered, you are just guessing about the "cloud seeding". There is no concrete information on the weathermodificatio.com site that shows anything like the photos I offered. The only photo I could find on the Weather Modification Site, looked nothing like My photos #'s 1,3,or 4.

Additionally, if you look at the other parts of the comment that you extracted those photos from, you will clearly see I spoke of weather modification in relation to Hurricane Sandy. The entire Chemtrail Program is about WETHER MODIFICATION. Cloud seeding is clearly a part of that program. This Weather Modification Company is tied directly to the Chemtrail Issue through their association of the former Evergreen Co.

Cloud seeding, chemtrails, weather warfare, H.A.A.R.P., geo-engineering.... all part of the same obscenity directed against the Mass of Humanity.

[Sidney]

I am just going to say that the Koolaid is also being made stronger. I won't waste any more of my energy on this thread. Funny, how many people can believe in a higher power, that almost no one has laid eyes on. But something so in your face reality, goes far beyond the perception of the seer.

For the benefit of the doubt I will also state, that this is NOT happening everywhere. But it is happening across the planet. Anyone with a brain, and knows how to use google or any other search engine, will find their own truths via youtube, and other links that have been provided on this forum and many others. Use the search engine at the top of the page and google advance search, chemtrails (thread title) and you will find much info, and much argument regarding this topic.

Open your minds, and listen to your gut, and make it a point to see what is happening in your skies locally.

Again, the words of the founder of this great site, regarding the testimony of the ex air force pilot.

click to enlarge

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by observer (here)
Thank you for your critique, Innocent Warrior.

If you look closely at the first photograph in the series, you will notice that my photograph #3, and #4 are details of equipment applied to the side of the aircraft in #1. These are all of the same aircraft.

The other photos, your guess is as good as mine. Photo #2 looks to me to be a modified snorkel on a military tanker. Something very strange is going-on with all those photographs, the first, third and forty included. As far as I can tell, from the links you offered, you are just guessing about the "cloud seeding". There is no concrete information on the weathermodificatio.com site that shows anything like the photos I offered. The only photo I could find on the Weather Modification Site, looked nothing like My photos #'s 1,3,or 4.

Additionally, if you look at the other parts of the comment that you extracted those photos from, you will clearly see I spoke of weather modification in relation to Hurricane Sandy. The entire Chemtrail Program is about WETHER MODIFICATION. Cloud seeding is clearly a part of that program. This Weather Modification Company is tied directly to the Chemtrail Issue through their association of the former Evergreen Co.

Cloud seeding, chemtrails, weather warfare, H.A.A.R.P., geo-engineering.... all part of the same obscenity directed against the Mass of Humanity.

Hi Observer, you're welcome.

Yeah, the photograph with the equipment which looked the same as what is in your images is no longer there, the round photo in the link I gave you is where it used to be. I'm not guessing, I did see it but I can understand your position.

Thanks for pointing out the other info. We had an inland tsunami sweep through towns here in 2011. I never understood how the government couldn't warn us about that, it had to have been an enormous body of water. Here's a news clip. Link to cloud seeding research in Queensland here (I can't make much sense of the dates).

I've just taken some photos of the sky here today (not the best, but should serve the purpose), between 13:50 and 14:10. The temperature is 32 deg C (89 deg F), with 52% humidity. Each photo in each pair of photos was taken twenty minutes apart. The pairs are of contrails/chemtrails, the final image shows a couple of natural clouds and chems (maybe cloud seeding)/cirrus clouds.

I don't know enough about the dynamics of the conditions etc to be certain if this is all natural or chems. I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this.

Edit: The first pair - the photo on the right was the one taken earlier. In the second photo I took (on left), the streak which is the second shape from the bottom of the scene - thats the short trail in the photo I took earlier. Sorry, not the best at managing attachments yet.

[Helvetic]

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[Buck]

Chipsam - You post the first response to a thread entitled "Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying", introducing yourself as an experienced pilot for 20+ years, having an ongoing interest in the issue of chemtrails and related phenomenon, claiming to just be interested in getting to the bottom of things.

I also happen to have an aviation background. You did not mention your total hours, or the specific type of rating you hold, nor what type of aircraft you have flown over the 20 years of your aviation career. It is not typical for anyone with former military training (a great majority of the pilots working in civil aviation in the US come from the military) or for that matter anyone working in avaition for 20+ years, such as yourself, to not mention these facts as a way of establishing your credibility and as a way of helping us to orient to your particular area of expertise or experience. If you are a guy who has flown small business jets for most of your career (which if that is what you claim it is even more curious as corporate pilots are almost always hired on as high time ex military or commercial pilots with a lot of experience- you do not let your Company CEO climb into the company's G7 with some greenhorn at the controls)

But what is even MORE peculiar that is that your Avatar has you listed as based on Palmdale. You describe yourself as having an interest in the topic of Chemtrails for many years. You come on this thread, in this forum, to tell us that you, an experienced pilot (who has even watched the vapor trails from your own jet on rear facing cameras during flight for gosh sakes), have yet to see ANYTHING that would support the notion that our government, or some agencies of our government, or perhaps as some have suggested very large and powerful corporate interests in partnership with the government, might be involved in some kind of atmospheric shenanigans.

I have never posted an attachment to a thread on Avalon, so forgive me if this doesn't quite work out as I hope, but- if I am successful, you should see two attachments posted below. I do not have any personal confusion about what I am seeing in the skies, and have not for many years. My difficulty is more about accepting the magnitude of the conspiracy this implies. Read the job posting. Look up the definition of some of the acronyms being used if you have trouble understanding what the job description is actually for. Don't take my word for it, please. Take it from Grumman- one of our mainstays in the military industrial foodchain. They need a line boy to check the tankers, to check the flow rates, to clean the nozzles, recharge the propellants, check the line pressures, someone with an engineering degree, someone who knows how to keep their mouth shut (9 years experience says you get how it works and keep you head down), and a top secret clearnance will be neccessary, of course. Just another one of the 980,000 Americans working today for our government with a Top Secret (or above) security clearance (this figure courtesy of Snowden disclosures)- just another one of our neighbors and fellow citizens who spend their days doing unspeakable things to their own kind in exchange for a steady paycheck, great dental and a pension plan.

But as far as spending our time and energy debating whether this is really going on or not, I am with Sidney, and the others here who are impatient with the ham fisted obstruction and disinfo- regardless of your agenda, or what on earth you may be thinking you are doing or who you work for, we are late in the game to be stalled at the starting line like this.




I guess I am the first to inform you of this amazing coincidence, but as it happens, right there in your hometown, your own little town of Palmdale, Ca- there is a rather gigantic airfield, right on the outskirts of town, up against the foothills of the Angeles Crest Mountains. It's a veritable hotbead of military activity- home assemble facility and testing grounds for the Predator Drone- you might have heard of that? Also home to many aerospace companies (Grumman, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin) with testing and R&D facilities based there. I would be willing to bet there are more Military pilots with top secret security clearances clogging up the local bars on a Friday night in your hometown than just about anywhere on the planet. And somehow you have not seen or heard anything unusual in all of your 20+ years in the aviation realm. I gotta say that is beyond amazing.

[Nasu]

In my opinion there is no debate, other than a very personal one with ourselves when assessing the wealth of information out there. I CAN imagine a pilot, with whatever rating, not having run up against any hard evedence in their time, there are so many pilots out there who also are not privy to this news, or they would be everywhere telling everyone, in bars from here all the way to there.. Never mind the whole "nut job" moniker, whenever one did blab.. Clearly, in every industry, from aviation down, we have all been lied to.. Once you see it with your own eyes, so to speak, and know that it's true, no more evedence to the contrary can change that fact and it is a fact.

Sooo, when you get past that point in your mind, the next question is how and why, the scale of this is so vast and global in nature as to boggle the mind.. The why is even harder to fathom, taking the industry professionals and leading scientists at their word, the party line, it's weather modification. I have no doubt that that could well be a part of it, given the climate changes we have all experienced in recent years, but the deposits of barium et al are changing the surface of the planet, the plants, the animals, us.. So it's either not been thought through very well, or it has been thought through so well that we are unable to perceive the true intent? Whatever the reason, I don't like it one bit, it quite literally is rabbit hole for your mind, one hell of a mindf//k.... N

[Jean-Luc]

Amongst the many WHY, we have the most "improbable" reason of all coming from Simon :

1) the element that is added to ALL fuel is Nano particles of aluminium to detect alien spacecraft entering / exiting into this reality
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post782161

He then also mentions other reasons, such as trials over specific targets (i.e. low altitude spraying tin this case), such as the European Parliament.

5) trials are made over special target arrears , for instance, in the European parliament the day of a key vote last year I received a message from the parliament building that Chemtrails were now overhead !

To influence some vote? Seems wild when you know how the very European Parliament is a façade of democracy. But perhaps, this is just to keep the crowd of these highly paid representatives completely dizzy and submissive.

See for instance the highly soporific answer from the Commission 7 years ago to this question (and the lack of subsequent reaction).

Subject: Aircraft condensation trails which no longer only contain water but cause persistent milky veils, possibly due to the presence of barium, aluminium and iron

1. Is the Commission aware that, since 1999, members of the public in Canada and the USA have been complaining about the growing presence in the air of aircraft condensation trails of a new type, which sometimes persist for hours and which spread far more widely than in the past, creating milky veils which are dubbed ‘aerial obscuration’, and that the new type has particularly come to people's attention because it is so different from the short, pencil-thin white contrails which have been a familiar sight ever since jet engines came into use and which remain visible for 20 minutes at most and can only be produced if steam condenses on dust particles due to low temperatures and high humidity?

2. Is the Commission aware that investigations by these complainants, observations by pilots and statements by government bodies increasingly suggest that what is happening is that aircraft are emitting into dry air small particles consisting of barium, aluminium and iron, a phenomenon which in public debate in America has come to be known as chemtrails?

3. Unlike contrails, chemtrails are not an inevitable by-product of modern aviation. Does the Commission know, therefore, what is the purpose of artificially emitting these Earth-derived substances into the Earth's atmosphere? Does it help to cause rain, benefit telecommunications or combat climate change?

4. To what extent are aerial obscuration and chemtrails now also being employed in the air over Europe, bearing in mind that many people here too are now convinced that the phenomenon is becoming increasingly common and are becoming concerned about the fact that little is so far known about it and there is no public information on the subject? Who initiates this spraying and how is it funded?

5. Apart from the intended benefits of emitting substances into the air, is the Commission aware of any possible disadvantages it may have for the environment, public health, aviation and TV reception?

6. What is being done to prevent individual European states or businesses from taking measures unilaterally whose crossborder impact other States or citizens' organisations may regard as undesirable? Is coordination already taking place with regard to this? Is the EU playing a part in it, or does the Commission anticipate a future role, and what are the Commission's objectives in this connection?

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...DOC+XML+V0//EN

Answer given by Mr Dimas on behalf of the Commission

1. The Commission is aware of claims that such trends and phenomena exist. However, the Commission is not aware of any evidence substantiating such claims. The extent to which aircraft condensation trails form and the speed at which they disappear are in the first instance determined by pressure, temperature, and the relative humidity of a given flight level. Fuel and combustion properties and the overall propulsive efficiency may also have an impact. Any changes or trends in the extent to which contrails are reported to remain visible and develop into more widespread clouds may thus be due to factors such as changes in:

— meteorological conditions;
— traffic volumes;
— jet-engine efficiency.

2. The Commission is aware of such claims but is not aware of any evidence that particles of barium, aluminium or iron are being emitted, deliberately or not, by aircraft.

3. No. It cannot be precluded that the release of such particles might affect precipitation and climate change, but as indicated above the Commission is not aware of any evidence that such releases take place.

4. The Commission is not aware of any evidence that such methods are being employed in Europe.

5. None of the substances referred to are hazardous per se, but some effects on environment and public health can not be ruled out if large scale releases to the air occurred.

6. As indicated above the Commission is not aware of any evidence suggesting that there is any reason to act.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...55&language=EN

[Atlas]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
what would the motivation be for sitting there at the switch or turning a valve just repeatedly turning it on and off?

Perhaps the pilot is not human ?

[observer]

I'm with Sidney on this one. I've wasted enough precious time, and exposed far too much of my personal security trying to convince trolls (working for whatever reason) that there is an active agenda to poison our sky. It's far too late in the game to be debating this issue.

Catch-up or go home !!!

Anyone with any doubt that there is an ongoing active atmosphere spraying program need only click on this link, and observe the collection of photographs showing installed spraying apparatus on all sorts of aircraft.

More Research (For Those Who Dare):

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/w...w-about-haarp/

Perusing this link will give any critical thinking individual the necessary information to connect the Chemtrail Agenda to what is known about Geo-Engineering, and Weather Modification, among other aspects of this program.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Atlas (here)

That's exactly the OCD guy I was imagining sitting there playing with the switches!

[Gez501]

For those who would like to view satellite evidence of chem-trails may I suggest a visit to "Dundee University Tracking Satellite" (Google of course) where for a one-time fee of about £2.50 you can log in to their satellite and view many hi-res photos of what they call 'con-trails' and download them. They cover parts of Bay of Biscay, Europe, UK, and the Western Approaches. Well worth a visit. They show spraying from ships also!!!

[panpravda]

Posted by Chipsam (here)
Look
Are they chem spraying?
Absolutely!
However, everywhere i go now anytime someone looks up and sees a normal contrail I hear chemtrail. From every airplane that leaves one.
My only argument is to say at the very least know a little bit about how they are formed. So that when you really do some intimate research on the subject you will have some knowledge of the posing arguments.
My observations were shared to help not to hinder.
Thanks

Chipsam: I for one can see and appreciate what you are offering with you level-headed, technically accurate comments.

Thank you.

[ceetee9]

Posted by Chipsam (here)
Look
Are they chem spraying?
Absolutely!
However, everywhere i go now anytime someone looks up and sees a normal contrail I hear chemtrail. From every airplane that leaves one...

Yes, and there are those who claim every moving light in the night sky is a UFO. These are the people who have enabled the mainstream media to label anyone who talks about such things as crazy "Conspiracy Theorists." They do a disservice to the subject matter and to themselves. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. If you truly believe they are "chem spraying," as you claim, then don't concern yourself with those people or waste your time and energy arguing with them. You might find your blood pressure will go down and you'll be a lot happier.

[Aspen]

I have accepted the chemtrail phenomena since 2008 when I observed a criss cross pattern like you would make for the game of Xs and Os over top of the small city I lived in. I would commute from a half hour away and it was very clear that it was deliberately done over top of a city of 50,000 people. I remember thinking - that doesn't come from the planes at the airport. How could they make perfect square patterns like that just taking off and landing? Also the odd criss cross pattern clouds were a dirty yellowy colour. Not the colour of normal clouds at all. On the half hour drive to the city there were pretty much no clouds at all. Two weeks later I contracted H1N1 and was very sick for three weeks. I normally never get the flu or hardly ever a cold. It went into my lungs and I was having trouble breathing. Many people became ill in our city and the vaccination program was being pushed daily in the media. I have often noticed that major cities have much more spraying than the little towns and cities and then in between there are far fewer clouds. It is quite noticeable in northern Canada because of the long distances between places. Often I notice patterns. For example over the small city I mentioned, several times I saw a long trail that was laid down from the northwest going to the southeast as far as you could see and and it was three or four trails laid down side by side. We just have a tiny airport and planes come from a variety of directions . . . These patterns are not explainable by normal air traffic. Although I understand that chemtrails are used for a variety of purposed, I am wondering if the massive spraying going on over the Pacific is mostly weather modification? It would be nice to know some day what the most common purpose really is. Here is an amazing video done by a person on youtube who calls himself Jetstream Notch. He is a meteorologist who seems to have convincing evidence of massive spraying to encourage the development of the cold weather we have been having lately.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FfGLeUBQpm0

[Innocent Warrior]

I want more than anything to believe we aren't getting sprayed because I can't imagine how many tonnes of chemicals have fallen on this city by now. As I said, I'm no expert, but for what it's worth, I think it wasn't humid enough and too hot for those trails to form, stay and disperse like they did yesterday.

I haven't any photos of shocking obvious chemtrails. I can take photos of chem-clouds most days, but it never looks as unnatural in photos as it does in person. They mostly spray at night here, that's when I saw the ropes. I swear I watched them build a blanket, line by line one night. It was like a giant gas chamber.

Nothing does my head in like this issue does. What is it doing to us, the animals and our planet? Considering the sheer volume of whatever it is that is in our sky, whatever it's doing to us, it's done. I'm just going to get samples tested when I can afford them and keep them ready for when this gets to court. Surely they won't get away with this.

[aviators]

Posted by Atlas (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
what would the motivation be for sitting there at the switch or turning a valve just repeatedly turning it on and off?

Perhaps the pilot is not human ?

lol, but in all seriousness perhaps this is a non-human program going on.
This is why its so hard to prove or wrap your head around.
I believe we are being spayed from the air, however I'm not convinced its all from 21 century aircraft.
To load aircraft in such a large program seems logistically too hard to do.
Smaller programs OK, but this scale of operation I don't know.You would need railroad cars of material....... and hundreds of personnel... I don't see it.

Perhaps we are looking at a cloaked technology that is just using planes as the front. My2cents.

The real question is "where is all this heavy metal coming from? "

[outerheaven]

Interesting thoughts, aviators, and it might not be all that far-fetched.

FWIW I recommend checking out the youtube channel of Crrow777. He catches a lot of strange UFO/orbs when filming chemtrails. Once even got footage of an orb that "exploded," with a strange chaff-like material coming out of it. Totally bizarre.

Here's one, for example, where he films air show pilots performing skywriting. Interesting video for a couple of reasons, IMO.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J_4QLjwg4oM

Anyhow, dig around his YT channel and you'll find some more interesting stuff.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by aviators (here)
I believe we are being spayed from the air, however I'm not convinced its all from 21 century aircraft.
To load aircraft in such a large program seems logistically too hard to do.
Smaller programs OK, but this scale of operation I don't know.You would need railroad cars of material....... and hundreds of personnel... I don't see it.

Perhaps we are looking at a cloaked technology that is just using planes as the front. My2cents.

The real question is "where is all this heavy metal coming from? "

This is an interesting thought, there is a lot in the sky and it would explain why we don't see more planes.

[outerheaven]

Anyone ever seen a plane with a trail, and "the black line"? I wonder what the common debunk theory is on this ... take a look:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LRyZO6wXTjk

I've only seen it in person once. But it's very bizarre. I've seen people try to write it off as a "shadow," but in open sky, and the black line extending far in both directions of the plane, I really don't see how that explanation holds up.