Smoking Gun Proof of Atmospheric Spraying

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by outerheaven (here)
Anyone ever seen a plane with a trail, and "the black line"? I wonder what the common debunk theory is on this ... take a look:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LRyZO6wXTjk

I've only seen it in person once. But it's very bizarre. I've seen people try to write it off as a "shadow," but in open sky, and the black line extending far in both directions of the plane, I really don't see how that explanation holds up.

Saw it the day before yesterday and of course several other times before in real life. Shadow. I have exceptional spatial perception - Likely from having worked with CGI 3D for >10 years and whenever I see this in real life I can always see where the light source is coming from the resultant shadow cast from contrail / chemtrail being cast in the atmosphere. The atmosphere isn't "clear" but rather has some opaqueness and absorption for qualities, allowing for shadows to be able to be cast upon itself - especially on the haze of any water vapour current in the atmosphere at that time, whether it by extremely light cloud or plainly imperceptible.

I've never seen any where I wasn't convinced of shadows on the atmosphere.

Water vapour particles are not bright white - they are clear - each drop is as clear as water. It appears bright white due to a phenomenon called refraction, where light passing through a clear sphere (water vapour particle) is bent - this is known as light refraction.

This bending while having a bright light cast on it causes the trails to appear brightly white to us (and clouds as white - until they are heavy enough to cast shadows -- then black). When you cast a shadow on these particles there is no more light to bend and give the effect of brightness, and like a regular shadow on water, you get an effect of a contrasting dark colour as opposed to white, while a bright light is being cast on it - and then refracted.

The source of the shadow can be the horizon, the trail itself or another trail or any cloud of mist that happens to be in the area or partially between the light source and the trail - any of these will suffice.

I hope I explained that clearly enough.

[aviators]

Posted by outerheaven (here)
Anyone ever seen a plane with a trail, and "the black line"? I wonder what the common debunk theory is on this ... take a look:



I've only seen it in person once. But it's very bizarre. I've seen people try to write it off as a "shadow," but in open sky, and the black line extending far in both directions of the plane, I really don't see how that explanation holds up.

I have seen this many times before and believe its from the suns rays projecting the black line.
The trail needs to be pointing towards the suns direction for this to occur.
Its quite common.

[Sidney]

Ted Gunderson speaks out about chemtrails. Is later poisoned.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DdJjNMSet_A

[Sidney]

There is technology being used that is so far out of our perception that it is hard to wrap ones head around. We have to open our minds and think about the ultimate picture of just how advanced things really are that we are in the dark about.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ

[Hervé]

I don't know but...

Posted by Hervé (here)
[...]
The more I think of it in contrast to the stealth approach of the controllers to any of their goals, then making their geoengineering campaign THAT obvious doesn't make sense. I would think that by now they would have found ways to conceal their spraying into less visible manifestations in view of the large research budget they can muster.

The alternative described in this post (<---) is the closest to the reality of what's happening.

[Sidney]

Hi Herve, and thank you for this. I certainly cannot comment on what is or is not happening in your country, because I am not there. But I assure you, because I have been watching this activity where I live, for about 9 years, when I first became aware of this activity, I know that they have become quite good at being so not in your face with the spraying. There are different types of chemicals used, depending on which purpose they are using it for.
But the type of residue that goes up and stays up for long periods, is done at night. Start looking at the satellite imagery every night over the united states. If you get into the habit of this, (anyone in any country can just watch and become accustomed to what a normal satellite image looks like), much can be learned.
I am not telling anyone to take my word for it. I did my own research, and found my own educated truth. I urge everyone to do their own research. Look up. Listen at night, is there a roar of overhead jets rumbling on and on and on, when there should be no commercial traffic up there?
Back 7, 8, 9 yrs ago they were not very good at being inconspicuous. Over the years, they have gotten better at hiding it.
I won't go into what its for, because my personal opinion is that they have found many uses for technology that can benefit from saturating the ionosphere/atmosphere and anything that is living that becomes saturated with such materials.

Also there have been craft, that are NOT planes, filmed spraying. So that opens up another flavor of worms.

The US military has a LOT of dirty secrets, and it is not a secret that they own most of the patents pertaining to this technology(and these are ONLY the ones that have been declassified.)
So if someone has 100% trust in Obama and Co. (which is just an extension of the Bush cabal) well, then they can stay safe in their little napping state and enjoy the blissful ride of ignorance.

[observer]

Posted by Sidney (here)
There is technology being used that is so far out of our perception that it is hard to wrap ones head around. We have to open our minds and think about the ultimate picture of just how advanced things really are that we are in the dark about.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ

With my greatest expression of sarcasm:

Oh Sidney!!! How could you be so silly? ....posting a video of high altitude birds, and calling them UFOs....

[observer]

You want smoking guns?

In my best Jack Nicholson voice: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

Of course, there are those who would assert this is a "doctored" photograph:



And, that this is just a nervous operator with Tourette Syndrome, or was it changes in altitude? I can never keep-up with all the excuses:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU

[Sidney]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Sidney (here)
There is technology being used that is so far out of our perception that it is hard to wrap ones head around. We have to open our minds and think about the ultimate picture of just how advanced things really are that we are in the dark about.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ

With my greatest expression of sarcasm:

Oh Sidney!!! How could you be so silly? ....posting a video of high altitude birds, and calling them UFOs....

Kind of weird, huh? I mean, its hard to wrap your head around this one. I saw this one a few months ago, on this forum I think, but it is still thought provoking. Not only are birds flying that high, but they are puking into the fake clouds, (more sarcasm of course).

[Hervé]

OK, here is what my take is on the whole psyop and cover-up laced with plausible deniability as well as to explain this comment of mine:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

I personally think that most of the visible "chemtrails" are a secondary phenomenon with the actual spraying taking place at higher altitudes with the aerosols being disturbed when reaching flight paths when falling down.

There was an article on this phenomenon but starting from cometary dust as seeds for "persisting" contrails by influencing the temperature of the upper atmosphere. My take is that a similar phenomenon is being used for the hiding of the actual spraying.

So that, on the previous threads debating this chemtrails vs. contrails with experienced pilots; it may actually be that both side of that debate were right.

There is no doubt as to what reaches the ground and there is no doubt that pilots are also sincere... therefore one may need to find out where the spraying actually takes place?

I think the answer could be found in the geoengineering patent office...

The idea stems from the proposal found in post # 7 above:

The report said that the US Military planned to create a "telecommunications shield in the ionosphere at 3,000 km height, by bringing into orbit 350,000 million copper needles, each 2-4 cm long [total weight 16 kg], forming a belt 10 km thick and 40 km wide, the needles spaced about 100 m apart." This was designed to replace the ionosphere "because telecommunications are impaired by magnetic storms and solar flares." The US planned to add to the number of copper needles if the experiment proved to be successful. This plan was strongly opposed by the International Union of Astronomers."

If one takes into account the existence of a "Breakaway civilization Space Command Fleet" which could actually conduct, unobserved, a spraying very high up in the upper atmosphere where no commercial jets can fly in the altitude range suggested for the copper needles, then, when that aluminum, barium, strontium mix slowly comes down to where commercial jets do fly; the mixture creates these seeded contrails which persist.

Commercial passenger flights are then blamed for the spraying of aerosols they have no clue how that would even be possible and therefore rightly consider whoever utter such nonsense as totally nuts.

See?

With this scenario, Fred259 is right in his analysis... debunkers are right about the mixture of aluminum, barium, strontium found on the ground and rain water... yet all are wrong regarding the persisting contrails!

... since they are seeded contrails by aerosols coming down from way higher up than passenger jet flight's corridors.

That particular scenario would also greatly alter the physical properties of the upper atmosphere and therefore skew the interpretation given by Laura knight-Jadczyk although she is much closer to reality than anyone else as to what's happening to our skies.

QED

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)
All perfectly normal.

Maybe not!

The above reproduced from this post (<---)

[Sidney]

Posted by observer (here)
You want smoking guns?

In my best Jack Nicholson voice: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

Of course, there are those who would assert this is a "doctored" photograph:



And, that this is just a nervous operator with Tourette Syndrome, or was it changes in altitude? I can never keep-up with all the excuses:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU

Im sure its just vapor. LOL Seriously though, humor aside, the guy filming that, and posting it, has some serious backbone. I hope its contagious.

[Sidney]

Posted by Hervé (here)
OK, here is what my take is on the whole psyop and cover-up laced with plausible deniability as well as to explain this comment of mine:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

I personally think that most of the visible "chemtrails" are a secondary phenomenon with the actual spraying taking place at higher altitudes with the aerosols being disturbed when reaching flight paths when falling down.

There was an article on this phenomenon but starting from cometary dust as seeds for "persisting" contrails by influencing the temperature of the upper atmosphere. My take is that a similar phenomenon is being used for the hiding of the actual spraying.

So that, on the previous threads debating this chemtrails vs. contrails with experienced pilots; it may actually be that both side of that debate were right.

There is no doubt as to what reaches the ground and there is no doubt that pilots are also sincere... therefore one may need to find out where the spraying actually takes place?

I think the answer could be found in the geoengineering patent office...

The idea stems from the proposal found in post # 7 above:

The report said that the US Military planned to create a "telecommunications shield in the ionosphere at 3,000 km height, by bringing into orbit 350,000 million copper needles, each 2-4 cm long [total weight 16 kg], forming a belt 10 km thick and 40 km wide, the needles spaced about 100 m apart." This was designed to replace the ionosphere "because telecommunications are impaired by magnetic storms and solar flares." The US planned to add to the number of copper needles if the experiment proved to be successful. This plan was strongly opposed by the International Union of Astronomers."

If one takes into account the existence of a "Breakaway civilization Space Command Fleet" which could actually conduct, unobserved, a spraying very high up in the upper atmosphere where no commercial jets can fly in the altitude range suggested for the copper needles, then, when that aluminum, barium, strontium mix slowly comes down to where commercial jets do fly; the mixture creates these seeded contrails which persist.

Commercial passenger flights are then blamed for the spraying of aerosols they have no clue how that would even be possible and therefore rightly consider whoever utter such nonsense as totally nuts.

See?

With this scenario, Fred259 is right in his analysis... debunkers are right about the mixture of aluminum, barium, strontium found on the ground and rain water... yet all are wrong regarding the persisting contrails!

... since they are seeded contrails by aerosols coming down from way higher up than passenger jet flight's corridors.

That particular scenario would also greatly alter the physical properties of the upper atmosphere and therefore skew the interpretation given by Laura knight-Jadczyk although she is much closer to reality than anyone else as to what's happening to our skies.

QED

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Fred259 (here)
All perfectly normal.

Maybe not!

Hi Herve, thats an impressive photo of the round thing.
But I am confused, through all your quoting other people, re directing to other threads, other posts, other peoples opinions, it seems that I am not understanding exactly what you are trying to say here. It is extremely distracting. Can you just say what you mean, in your own words. Directing and repeated redirecting, is a surefire way to throw a thread off course. Unless of course that is your goal.

[Hervé]

That post is made of my own words with quotes either containing my own conclusions or other people's research.

Read the thread (starting from here [<--- click]) where it's coming from and you'll get a clearer picture... well, maybe

[DeDukshyn]

Sydney,

It is just a massive misunderstanding about the intentions of others due to blinding blanket emotional reactions that automatically and falsely reason that "if you do not fully agree with every presented detail on the topic under the umbrella of "X" then you MUST be a non-believer of "X" and someone who is against us."

It the exact same phenomenon (problem) that the sheep use to lump any person that believes in any conspiracy into a category of "kook" while completely ignoring everything actually being said.

[Sidney]

Posted by Hervé (here)
That post is made of my own words with quotes either containing my own conclusions or other people's research.

Read the thread where it's coming from and you'll get a clearer picture... well, maybe

Well, obviously the technology has evolved and changed over the years. But a group of say 10 jets and are flying back and forth, with no destination but the path they have already gone down, is not a commercial jet. It is doing a job. And the reasons for these operations also are probably evolving. If the earth is wrapped in a blanket of (whatever, dust, chemicals, metals etc.) at an altitude far above the ionosphere, then that would have a separate purpose than, say a layer of crap at a lower altitude that would be inside the earths atmosphere. With regards to a (secret advanced)space fleet, which IMO is a reality, of course they would also use advanced craft for purposes of much higher altitude spraying (whatever the reason being) as traditional airplanes would not have the same capabilities for.

In acknowledgement of the weather modification purpose, I want to say that IF they are modifying the weather on earth, with positive INTENT,,,,,, well they suck at it. And they ARE changing the weather. The weather, and nature and growing things, and the basic enjoyment of sunshine, and a natural thunderstorm is buried so far back in my own personal history, that I AM passionate about this.
We did not start having GLOBAL warming, and CLIMATE change, until the chemtrailing became a part of our everyday reality.

So if they are so bad at it, and are mucking everything up, like they ARE, they would stop. But they are not stopping. So either they are deliberately turning the earth into a huge mess, and killing huge HUGE numbers of species of plants and animals, or they are doing it because, the alternate outcome of (something) is so much worse than if they don't spray, and of course they can't tell us what or why, because we stupid humans are not emotionally equipped to handle what might be going on, just like denying us the truth about extraterrestrial life etc.

Without reading an entire other couple threads, I am not certain where you were going with it.

And like I said, that is an impressive photograph of the round craft. But is it spraying something, or is it just leaving a tail/trail? The advancement of the tech is greater each day/week/year, so its just a mind boggling topic, that really does go far beyond climate control etc.
Also the comment regarding the planes just being a holographic cover for something entirely different,,,well, I hadn't even thought of that one before, but its certainly a thought worth entertaining and YT has a variety of vids regarding that type of phenom.

[Sidney]

[QUOTE=DeDukshyn;909258]Sydney,

It is just a massive misunderstanding about the intentions of others due to blinding blanket emotional reactions that automatically and falsely reason that "if you do not fully agree with every presented detail on the topic under the umbrella of "X" then you MUST be a non-believer of "X" and someone who is against us."

It the exact same phenomenon (problem) that the sheep use to lump any person that believes in any conspiracy into a category of "kook" while completely ignoring everything actually being said.[/QUOTE
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------sorry screwed up the quote
Look, there are lots of ways to look at this, but this thread title is smoking gun "proof" of atmospheric sparying, and I was trying to stay in lines of how the conversation here was flowing without it going of into several different directions.

The topic of chemtrails, IMO, is very diverse with regard to the basic question of does it or does it not exise, and then branches off into other directions of motive, intent, the many various (possible) technologies, and the fallout of all of that with regards to the health to the planet and its many inhabitants.

And having to jump from thread to thread to thread IMO is keeping the reader from a smooth thought process.

I have actually suggested more than once, for a subsection of the forum to include a Chemtrail/Geoengineering section, because it seems that a new chemtrail thread pops up every few weeks, or more often than that, that we keep covering the same thing over and over and never finding agreement or solutions.

I think these conversations could be better organized, so that there doesn't need to be all this thread jumping. It IS distracting. Thats all I was saying.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Sydney,

It is just a massive misunderstanding about the intentions of others due to blinding blanket emotional reactions that automatically and falsely reason that "if you do not fully agree with every presented detail on the topic under the umbrella of "X" then you MUST be a non-believer of "X" and someone who is against us."

It the exact same phenomenon (problem) that the sheep use to lump any person that believes in any conspiracy into a category of "kook" while completely ignoring everything actually being said.[/QUOTE

Look, there are lots of ways to look at this, but this thread title is smoking gun "proof" of atmospheric sparying, and I was trying to stay in lines of how the conversation here was flowing without it going of into several different directions.

The topic of chemtrails, IMO, is very diverse with regard to the basic question of does it or does it not exise, and then branches off into other directions of motive, intent, the many various (possible) technologies, and the fallout of all of that with regards to the health to the planet and its many inhabitants.

And having to jump from thread to thread to thread IMO is keeping the reader from a smooth thought process.

I have actually suggested more than once, for a subsection of the forum to include a Chemtrail/Geoengineering section, because it seems that a new chemtrail thread pops up every few weeks, or more often than that, that we keep covering the same thing over and over and never finding agreement or solutions.

I think these conversations could be better organized, so that there doesn't need to be all this thread jumping. It IS distracting. Thats all I was saying.

Well, you said more than that but I get it. The proudly touted sarcasm on this thread referring to another thread topic is all obviously directed at me and possibly toward Herve as well. It is silly. It seems that whenever someone, like myself or Herve posts anything for consideration that may imply that something in this thread is not 100% "smoking gun", it is met with mockery and an attitude that I (or we) "just don't know any better because we are "non-believers"" - which both yourself and Observer seem to have taken. Talk about the enemy winning Avalonians implement their own version of "divide and conquer" where the only winners are the people who would rather us not really dig for the truth.

I find it a bit sad that I cannot suggest a possibility a UFO video, without being attacked and mocked, is actually migratory geese; something which if it is the truth, we need to know so when "sheep" who are smart and discerning, might have a chance of not having the stigma that "conspiracy theorists are kooks" be fully reinforced in their minds just because they visited Avalon. I feel similar thoughts about this thread.

Similarly, the posts and the "redirection" and "confusion" that Herve posted here was an attempt to paint a larger view and considerations that would indeed cause someone to step out of the box that this thread is in -- it was met with a harsh questioning of whether these intentions where nothing more than a distraction to this tightly boxed thread.

The "rulers" don't need to worry about divide and conquer - they put the program in our minds and we unconsciously act it out. The real progress is moving the mind away from that program ... but I digress ...

[Sidney]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Sydney,

It is just a massive misunderstanding about the intentions of others due to blinding blanket emotional reactions that automatically and falsely reason that "if you do not fully agree with every presented detail on the topic under the umbrella of "X" then you MUST be a non-believer of "X" and someone who is against us."

It the exact same phenomenon (problem) that the sheep use to lump any person that believes in any conspiracy into a category of "kook" while completely ignoring everything actually being said.[/QUOTE

Look, there are lots of ways to look at this, but this thread title is smoking gun "proof" of atmospheric sparying, and I was trying to stay in lines of how the conversation here was flowing without it going of into several different directions.

The topic of chemtrails, IMO, is very diverse with regard to the basic question of does it or does it not exise, and then branches off into other directions of motive, intent, the many various (possible) technologies, and the fallout of all of that with regards to the health to the planet and its many inhabitants.

And having to jump from thread to thread to thread IMO is keeping the reader from a smooth thought process.

I have actually suggested more than once, for a subsection of the forum to include a Chemtrail/Geoengineering section, because it seems that a new chemtrail thread pops up every few weeks, or more often than that, that we keep covering the same thing over and over and never finding agreement or solutions.

I think these conversations could be better organized, so that there doesn't need to be all this thread jumping. It IS distracting. Thats all I was saying.

Well, you said more than that but I get it. The proudly touted sarcasm on this thread referring to another thread topic is all obviously directed at me and possibly toward Herve as well. It is silly. It seems that whenever someone, like myself or Herve posts anything for consideration that may imply that something in this thread is not 100% "smoking gun", it is met with mockery and an attitude that I (or we) "just don't know any better because we are "non-believers"" - which both yourself and Observer seem to have taken. Talk about the enemy winning Avalonians implement their own version of "divide and conquer" where the only winners are the people who would rather us not really dig for the truth.

I find it a bit sad that I cannot suggest a possibility a UFO video, without being attacked and mocked, is actually migratory geese; something which if it is the truth, we need to know so when "sheep" who are smart and discerning, might have a chance of not having the stigma that "conspiracy theorists are kooks" be fully reinforced in their minds just because they visited Avalon. I feel similar thoughts about this thread.

Similarly, the posts and the "redirection" and "confusion" that Herve posted here was an attempt to paint a larger view and considerations that would indeed cause someone to step out of the box that this thread is in -- it was met with a harsh questioning of whether these intentions where nothing more than a distraction to this tightly boxed thread.

The "rulers" don't need to worry about divide and conquer - they put the program in our minds and we unconsciously act it out. The real progress is moving the mind away from that program ... but I digress ...

I am sorry that you feel that way. I am not here to argue. Really, my motive for participating in this thread is for the good of humanity. We all are entitled to breath air that is not contaminated with metal and other ****, that doesn't belong in our lungs. Thats is my motive, not to make anyone feel bad.
Big HUG coming your way. Peace

[Hervé]

Posted by Sidney (here)
[...]
Without reading an entire other couple threads, I am not certain where you were going with it.

[...]

That's summarized in my summary post above (one would need to read and understand though):

• Pilots are correct in that most trails are contrails;
• chemtrailers are correct with respect to a chemical soup falling down to the ground;
• wrong origin of the soup falling down to the ground: it's not sprayed from the commercial airplanes but from above their flight levels;
• hence the unending parochial fist-fights between the two sides with no possible resolution.

Therefore, accusing sincere commercial pilots of being agents or shills or whatever with accompanying sarcastic, ridiculing comments is, to me, a demonstration of a severe lack of discernment and/or serious research along with an inability to accept facts for what they are: facts!



As such, each set of facts needs to be taken into account and integrated into the full picture!


As for why "they" are doing it? It can be as stupid as stated in their patent and generate a substitute for the ionosphere or heat up the Arctic so they could setup drilling platforms up there... what else to expect from psychopaths?

[Sidney]

I didn't accuse any pilots of anything, and I never thought commercial planes were a part of it. So I hope you aren't accusing me of that. I said nothing of the kind.