Going into light after death... or not?

[Finefeather]

Posted by heyokah (here)
A hungry bear will think.... "Wow, I love those 'smart thinkers', I don't even have to chase them. They really make my day!"

Hi heyokah
Thanks for the post...then we hear of these stories...which makes you think about our relationships with our animal friends.
Love to you
Ray

Posted by Sierra (here)
This reminds me of a story of cougars and bears in Yosemite. A very private person I know told me this story that happened to her, while in an altered state. She was with some rangers in Yosemite, at the upper levels somewhere. She asked the rangers if she could sing to the animals. I assume humoring her, they said yes. She sang, and cougars and bears came out of the forest to her. She sang it is bad right now but soon it will get better. It will get better.

The lions and bears left. When she left Yosemite, the some rangers lined the road, and bowed to her as she departed.

The animals know. (course the bear seized the entire barrel, it was *his* ... lol)

Sierra

[markpierre]

The part of you that makes up scary stories doesn't leave the scary stories. It, along with them, fades into the unreal, because they never were real.
That part of you was entirely made up, and the basis of the story you just extricated yourself from. That story is over.
So it was about slavery? Did you learn anything about yourself?

Who in the hell do you think you're not? that you're going to get caught by something outside of totality, and kidnapped.
Doesn't that sound more like a movie plot?
Something that's you is going to capture you and eat your soul.
You won't get highjacked by anything other than your own ideas and fears. I'm sorry. I enjoy them too. We waste time with them.
If you have to stop and search around for the right light, or else you're screwed, you're going to hang around for a long time, because you'll never be sure.
If you had a choice you probably would screw it up. When you do screw it up, it's okay. You always just keep making choices and getting what you ask for.

You've never been alone and unprotected, and you never will be. There's nothing real that defies Reality.
You reject the story of Hell, do you really prefer this one? You don't want to be one of those guys who have to be nursed into realizing they're dead, and that it's okay. God didn't go anywhere, it's still in you. You're still in it. Dying is just waking up from a really weird and unnatural dream.

You think what you want, but I'd just be getting on to perfecting that love in you here, instead of having to distinguish it from all the other love that surrounds you all the time. That really was the point of this sojourn by the way. Finding that thing in you here.
If it isn't something at least that magnanimous, what are you doing in this stupid place? Just figuring it out?

And so you don't need to worry, because you'll probably beat yourself home by the time you die. If anybody is interested in that. Not usually.

I've met too many people who want to remain people, and the best they can do to be that, is to keep looking down. Stay in their stories.
You can give yourself to whatever you want to. Will you give yourself to the unfathomable? That you never really left home? You're still looking in stories.

My best advice to everyone is to look up.

[Finefeather]

Posted by markpierre (here)
The part of you that makes up scary stories doesn't leave the scary stories. It, along with them, fades into the unreal, because they never were real.
That part of you was entirely made up, and the basis of the story you just extricated yourself from. That story is over.
So it was about slavery? Did you learn anything about yourself?

Who in the hell do you think you're not? that you're going to get caught by something outside of totality, and kidnapped.
Doesn't that sound more like a movie plot?
Something that's you is going to capture you and eat your soul.
You won't get highjacked by anything other than your own ideas and fears. I'm sorry. I enjoy them too. We waste time with them.
If you have to stop and search around for the right light, or else you're screwed, you're going to hang around for a long time, because you'll never be sure.
If you had a choice you probably would screw it up. When you do screw it up, it's okay. You always just keep making choices and getting what you ask for.

You've never been alone and unprotected, and you never will be. There's nothing real that defies Reality.
You reject the story of Hell, do you really prefer this one? You don't want to be one of those guys who have to be nursed into realizing they're dead, and that it's okay. God didn't go anywhere, it's still's in you. You're still in it. Dying is just waking up from a really weird and unnatural dream.

You think what you want, but I'd just be getting on to perfecting that love in you here, instead of having to distinguish it from all the other love that surrounds you all the time. That really was the point of this sojourn by the way. Finding that thing in you here.
If it isn't something at least that magnanimous, what are you doing in this stupid place? Just figuring it out?

And so you don't need to worry, because you'll probably beat yourself home by the time you die. If anybody is interested in that. Not usually.

I've met too many people who want to remain people, and the best they can do to be that, is to keep looking down. Stay in their stories.
You can give yourself to whatever you want to. Will you give yourself to the unfathomable? That you never really left home? You're still looking in stories.

My best advice to everyone is to look up.

Hi markpierre
Wonderful stuff...
Take care brother and much love
Ray

[greybeard]

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This is echoing what markpierre has said.

A genuine enlightened teacher tells it as it is.

Chris

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[Flash]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by observer (here)
Fear can be one of our best survival tools. Use it wisely....

Hi observer...
Sure...if you meet up with a great big grizzly bear in the forest...run like hell

But it certainly does not beat wisdom...when you can lie down and pretend your dead and relieve the threat from the bear, who will himself recover from his fear of you.
Fear is lack of understanding of the outcome of an event...and most times it ends up in a false alarm.
Fear is what gets us into an emotional state from which we accept things we would not normally accept...and do things we would not normally do.

Do not confuse fear with smart thinking.

Wisdom is knowing who you are and what the real outcome of threats are...and knowing what the best course of action would be to neutralize the threat.

Take care
Ray

i agree with the principles of your post, but it made me laugh.

The last thing you want to do when encountering a bear, and more if a grizzly, is to run like hell. You then make an appealing prey. They will outrun you anytime. Like your own fear if uncontrolled will outrun you.

With a bear, grizzly or not, you put your eyes down, facing it, and very slowly you back up (hoping there is no branch to stumble on and that the bear is not too hungry (has eaten some bays and fishes or rodents before). You check the environment to make sure you are not between a cub and its mother (the worst bear situation). If you are, you pulled away from that position.

This means almost complete control of one's own fears. Danger is known, fear arise, senses are ultra awakened and fears transforms into prudence and wisdom.

Compare that with my sister who jumped on my back thinking I could protect her and carry her when hearing the roar of a bear. We were both doomed. I had to handle her too, telling her to slowly get down and walk backward for a while. It is my voice who controlled her, while I was sh ng in my pants and controlling my urge to run. Often, the "awakened" has to temporarily do the job of many.

While I am thinking of it, my sister almost made me sink at a bottom of a river when I saved her, cause she could not control herself, she panicked. Once again, I controlled my fright and made sure we were seen from the shore by letting her climb over my shoulders - well, she left me no choice, but yet, I did not panicked - so that i could touch the bottom (we were not that far).

My lesson here should be "don't try to save the fear driven individual, they will sink you" lol or "know that what you fear maybe less dangerous than your illusions about what you do not fear, be prepared for all eventualities, always".

[sheme]

I met a young lady on pilgrimage once - she had awful claw scars on her scalp- shaved head -she was a Buddhist nun, I asked for her story- she said she was in India in the Mountains and met a (?Himalayan) Bear and it attacked her, she said she just stood perfectly still and repeated the "Om" mantra expecting to die -but- the bear stopped and left her alone. Guess it was awestruck? As I was.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Flash (here)
i agree with the principles of your post, but it made me laugh.

The last thing you want to do when encountering a bear, and more if a grizzly, is to run like hell. You then make an appealing prey. They will outrun you anytime. Like your own fear if uncontrolled will outrun you.

Hi Flash
Yes that is why I put a smile at the end of the sentence When I was very young I grew up on a smallholding with lots of animals and when we approached the geese used to hiss like mad and we used to run away and they all chased us down the path great scary stuff...until we learnt to stand our ground. There were 5 of us and we eventually used to go climbing trees, and all the animals...ducks, geese, chickens, dogs, cats, and cows used to follow us around the place and we all seemed to get on great. We even used to share our lunch packs with them.
Of course I have never faced a bear so I take my hat off to your brave...wise actions.
Love to you
Ray

[heyokah]

Sorry, wrong thread.

[STR]

So much fear mongering! And by so many that have not actually even been out of their body. At least this is my suspicion because if you have been you would surely know nothing sinister is going on here. Loving reunions take place if you step out of yourself briefly. I agree with Simon to focus home. But there is a loving light being often in my life. Been there since I was very young. I've been out and about and seen the crystal city, visited relatives, friends deceased, and was told some were no longer there but had gone back to do it again. My beliefs before this were nothing to do with this nonsense and I pretty much walked the atheist path somewhat. Not all that took place was recalled by me, even to this day but I saw enough to learn much and I don't believe the fear based reports at all here. Just don't see evidence of it.

What I see is that we are all the same. As above so below. We function no different in our life cycle than the earth herself does, or the universe itself does. We all turn in and out within ourselves, the implicate order forward then the explicate and in and out with apparent transition states of awareness, even preparation in between these new now experiences. All there is, is right now. Memory does not necessarily get included in this equation. We all approach the threshold horizon, or event horizon as described by physics with the only difference between us and planets is the life cycle for when this event horizon is approached. Eventually earth will once again approach the event horizon of the 'black hole' if you will. She, like universe, like us and all other singularities this roll over is a natural event. The reason all of earth is suffering a mass amnesia is for the same reason we don't recall but bits and pieces of past lives. As we fold over and into ourselves in this cycle the amnesia is a built in part of the experience and simply part of the great plan for avoiding stagnation. Life always moves forward, is always new, is always pushed to the limit. Things settle for a time, then whammo! Unsettled, pushing us to the limits, keeping us from becoming complacent and as a result we learn and grow faster. Calm seas have never once made for a skillful sailor! Proverbs

STR

[STR]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by SlickWillie (here)
"Going into the White Light is a direct trip into the Soul Trap that is harvesting and consuming Soul-Essence. This has been an operation on the Moon since the Dawn of Man."

What is the purpose of this?

"Going into the Golden Light is a direct trip out of this Prison Universe."

What is outside the "prison universe"?

This Particular Reality is a feeding operation, SlickWillie.

This Soul Harvesting Antenna has been on the Moon since Man first arrived, here on this planet. Understanding the process of birth-death-rebirth with little or no recollection of your former lifetime is all part of the harvesting operation. The essence of your Soul-Stuff is consumed and only a seed of your former self is replanted into another body to grow another crop. This process leads to the a$$-biting loops of endless lifetimes.

Very few who have had the where-with-all to make it out of this loop have ever returned to tell the story of how one escapes. The few who were able and did return, have had their stories manipulated into lies.

The astral plane (or, the quantum field of infinite potential) is patrolled by Archons who can appear in any form they desire. There is no objective evidence to conclude any astral experience was not manipulated. Faith-based testimonies are not evidence.

This harvesting operation is the only explanation that makes any sense, if one follows all the abstract trails of evidence.

The Mass of Humanity has been lied to since the Dawn of Man. The evidence ALL points to this conclusion. Answer "why" to the reason Humanity has been continuously lied to.

As to what lies beyond This Particular Reality, all I can say is: something else.

You said it yourself! Faith based claims are not evidence! All of this is faith based unless you can prove by some means other than words the claims made. Even if there is an antennae on the moon, what evidence is there it is this trap? If Archons exist where is the proof? Jesus supposedly existed and it is hotly debated if it is true or myth. I believe there is more to prove Jesus existed than Archons.


I say, with all due respect. Look in the mirror. One must realize to say one faith based claim is more credible than another is fallacy?

[birddog]

I had a NDE and I went through the tunnel. The tunnel had white fire light...it was so white that is the only way that I can describe it. No fire, but the light was just like white fire light. (If one can imagine.) The tunnel had rocks all around, and a smooth white path going up the center. I saw a golden angel in front of me, and I noticed that she moved, rather floated upright, and stopped, looked around to see where I was, and then I moved (floated upright) this was done by intent...and then I stopped. I could remember my family, and friends, and other things...and realized my memories were with me in spirit. I was wearing a white gown with cumberbun and robe, although I don't remember changing. I looked human...the same. I could feel, but I didn't touch the ground. I floated above the ground. When I finally stepped through the tunnel, it was onto a cloud. Then, I found out it was not my time.

Sometimes family is there to meet the newly departed. However each time is different. I would never be afraid to go into the light. Spirit will take you where you need to go. Spirit knows the way. I would just let my higher self lead.