+ Reply to Thread
Page 221 of 570 FirstFirst 1 121 171 211 221 231 271 321 570 LastLast
Results 4,401 to 4,420 of 11389

Thread: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

  1. Link to Post #4401
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    Well, the Industrial Revolution chapter went rather quickly, even though it is a another huge chapter.

    Q: Wade, so why England? Why were they the first to industrialize?

    A: I would say that it was similar to where civilizations first appeared; a confluence of circumstances allowed them to be the first people to really tap that new energy source, fossil fuels, on a scale that led to industrialization. For domestication and industrialization, it was all about tapping a new energy source, and was the result of opportunity, necessity, and humans able to exploit the next energy source that powered the world.

    If you think about it, that first epochal event, based on stone tools and controlling fire, are actually skills that have been taught to great apes, so was a relatively modest mental feat. The toolset for the second epochal event was something far beyond the ability of apes to produce, and were the product of the minds of behaviorally modern humans. Language may have been the critical ingredient that sped up learning and information exchange exponentially, and allowed humanity to displace all other human species and kill off the easy meat.

    Domestication itself was probably no great mental feat, as far as the humans who did it were concerned, but it was likely something that that founder group could not have fathomed. It is what domestication made possible that would have been mind-boggling to early humans, such as cities, metallurgy, writing, math, and so on.

    Scholars have asked why Greece did not industrialize, as they were on a curve that could have led to it. I think that they ran out of energy before they could reach that stage, and their civilization collapsed. But the rise of Europe was built on Greek technology, and the cultural flowering of High Middle Ages Europe that led to the rise of science and reason largely had the reintroduction of Greek teachings to thank.

    Europe's conquest of Earth was due to its turning the global ocean into a low-energy transportation lane, and England was actually a kind of backward imperial aspirant while Spain, Portugal, and the Netherlands were rising powers. Deforested England was already burning coal when it revived its iron industry, and its industrial growth was hampered by wood shortages. If England had not turned to coal, its nascent industrialization would have collapsed, but English entrepreneurs, out of opportunity and necessity, learned to smelt iron with coal, and the Industrial Revolution began. China smelted metal with coal millennia earlier, but only in England did it become the basis for what followed.

    Also, England had also dispossessed the peasantry of the land they lived on, and they became the workforce that mined the coal and worked the mills, so a social-economic phenomenon helped out, and England had already chartered corporations as it began plundering the world's people. So, a new social organization accompanied the rise of industry. In hindsight, these trends can be discerned. Did it have to be the way that it happened? Certainly not. But it is how it happened, and there was no guarantee that it ever would. Australians never managed to have a Domestication Revolution. There was no environmental/technical reason why they could not, but the circumstances of necessity and opportunity never came together for them.

    That is not to say that being a farmer is "better" than being a hunter-gatherer or a corporate executive, but when isolated peoples of each epochal phase could see the benefits of the one that used more energy, they all wanted it. Industrialized humans live fantastical lives compared to the earlier epochs.

    Best,

    Wade

  2. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (14th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), Nine (15th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014)

  3. Link to Post #4402
    United States Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    14th February 2014
    Age
    68
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    941
    Thanked 426 times in 222 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Wade,

    I finished your article today.

    I was putting off reading the last half because of your American Empire essay and going back there as an American is so very painful. And I knew the later half would include those topics.

    Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga on war:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUpxnAgHNJU

    Is anyone home?


    Tony Bennett was attacked viciously by the media for his comments.


    100 years of British wars put to music:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0fm...9U2yP_DAi2gECQ

    What I hope happens with your site here is that intelligent people will read your works and comment.

    As for your work you are a gifted writer and your view of the larger picture for humanity is so important and I have read lots of things over the years but nothing so hard hitting as your essays Wade.

    And so I am simply amazed that there are not more comments upon what you talk about....

    thanx

    Nine

  4. Link to Post #4403
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi Nine:

    Thanks for reading. You are a self-admitted average person, and you got through it, and your comments have often been perceptive. I hope that the last half of the big essay was a least as inspiring as it was painful. As far as comments on my work go, yes, it is and will be a slow process. When I interacted directly with the public, without the kind of buffer that Bill's Avalon forum provides, I got the same kind of treatment that Bennett did. Americans are crazed, like all imperial peoples are, especially as their empire declines. Even when the USA's greatest war heroes speak out against war, they are attacked or ignored. Audie Murphy knew that John Kennedy was not killed by a lone nut, but he knew that his life was forfeit if he spoke out. There was the USA's greatest war hero, afraid to speak out about the murder of his president, in The Land of the Free, and JFK was likely murdered by the same people who sent Murphy off to war.

    When I joined conversations in forums that discussed my work in ways that could have been productive, the trolls swarmed every time. As I recently mentioned, about the time that I did my first public interview, I was actually banned from the forums where I had a presence, and I then decided that I would have to make my own forum one day. Bill's Avalon forum was a pleasant surprise, and while it is polite here, which is why I joined the forum, yes, not much activity, and on the FE issue, this forum is largely stuck in the FE field's state of arrested development, with about 30 threads devoted to an FE inventor who claims he is the Messiah, and the other inventors-of-the-hour. Even when a thread was recently started, devoted to my big essay, so far it has been dominated by discussion of that "Messiah," and nothing really about my essay so far. Dozens of posts about those inventors-of-the-hour have also been made on this thread, which is probably more than I have had good comments about my essay. But it really is better than any other forum would be, believe it or not. I will be building my own forum very slowly.

    My big essay will likely not be embraced by the FE field, as it blows them all out of the water. I do not want to have anything to do with the field, anyway, for reasons that I have stated plenty of times. They attack Dennis with lies, ignore him, Brian was treated similarly at times, as hard as that might be to believe, while people such as Mr. Skeptic were invited in to make their "astute" comments. For me, those events only reinforced my journey's primary lesson. Everybody that I knew, who played at high levels of the FE game that I had much respect for, went through the meat grinder, usually receiving murder attempts, sometimes many, and at one point or another, they usually became disgusted with humanity, wondered if humanity was a sentient species, and so on, and I understand.

    I am not looking for heroes to help make FE happen, partly because I know that there pretty much are not any on Earth. What I am looking for are people with enough integrity to lay aside their scarcity-based conditioning long enough so that they can just imagine abundance.

    As you can tell, this is going to be a slow process, but I am ready for that. I have been at it for 40 years, and designed what I am doing so that I can do it for another 30. I am keenly aware that time is short for the human experiment on Earth. If we do not begin to wake up, and soon, it is going to be game over. On one hand, I am sympathetic to the sense of urgency that is behind wanting to support some "Messiah" who is going to save us all, but it is just one more way to play the victim game. It is time to act like the creators that we are. The kinds of efforts that you see in the FE field today always end in disaster that I have seen, and I am trying something different. But the people that I am trying to reach I know are less than one-in-a-thousand in the general population, but with this tool called the Internet to help me find them and them find me, I'll take my chances. It certainly will not be easy, but at least it is feasible. Following deluded "messiahs" sure isn't, or the many other paths to failure I am aware of, most of which I have been on.

    Back to work.

    Best,

    Wade

  5. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), Nine (15th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014)

  6. Link to Post #4404
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    For those who think that Global Warming is a hoax, I invite them to read this. In the studies of Earth's greenhouse and icehouse phases over the eons, the climate at the poles was always the most dramatically affected, not the equatorial regions. The global warming models of what humanity is currently inflicting on Earth's atmosphere always showed the poles heating up first. It has been happening for generations already, and may be about to really ramp up, and when what the arctic natives are experiencing comes to Florida and Bangladesh, the fun will begin.

    Of course, with FE, problem solved, and Earth's climate will have no impact on human welfare, anyway.

    Best,

    Wade

  7. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Chris Gilbert (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), JRS (16th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), kudzy (15th December 2014), Nine (15th December 2014)

  8. Link to Post #4405
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    Another chapter tweaked, on phase two of the Industrial Revolution, and one of the many Q&A questions that arose as I read it.

    Q: Wade, you got pretty "conspiratorial" in that chapter, which came later in the essay than I expected. Why now?

    A: Good question. I definitely do not "sneak up" on my readers, dropping such subjects onto them after I have them good and hooked, as I mention a bit of it in the essay's introduction, and it is scattered around in my essay. This was an entire area where I had to think a lot about how to do it, and I began to bring it up when it began to impact the essay's story line. In the essay's first half, particularly the journey of life on Earth before the rise of humans, if there was a ""dinosaur conspiracy" ( ), it has not left any evidence that we can pursue, and the investigation of ancient events in the journey of life on Earth does not threaten any global rackets that I can see, or at least very much, so I am not aware of any organized suppression of such scientific findings, other than maybe the faux debate on Global Warming, which is a concoction of the Hydrocarbon Lobby, an enabling media, and a scientifically illiterate public that refuses to accept responsibility for its actions.

    There were obviously "conspiracies" going all the way back to chimps, as they would sneak into neighboring territories to kill their rivals. The first elites had to play games of secrecy and deception to become elites, and there have definitely been plenty of conspiratorial goings on in civilizations for millennia, but they could not have a global impact until Europe began to conquer Earth. Until then, elites could only play their games locally.

    Also, the Industrial Revolution has been the greatest wealth generator, by far, in world history, and the rise of science with it began to give rise to more sophisticated and scientific elite behaviors, but as people such as Chomsky have pointed out, a great deal of it was right out in the open, such as the rise of public relations. Maybe because I am an American, and the biggest economic event of all time – the West's rise to global dominance, and the USA in particular – is something that I am quite familiar with, and I have borne the brunt of global elite manipulations and have run into Rockefeller machinations more than once, the Civil War era and the Gilded Age seemed like the appropriate place to begin to deal with those topics. It was also when organized suppression of FE seems to have begun, arguably with Tesla.

    Even as I was editing that chapter, I thought to myself, "Did I overdo the conspiratorial aspects of it?" In the end, I do not think so, and announce it when I get into it, to then put it aside until later. I have works at home about the conspiratorial version of history, so am not a stranger to that framework, but it really explains a small part of the dynamics, IMO. Oh, Godzilla is very real and vigilant, and the lone wolf FE inventor does not have a prayer, or movements built around Messiahs or scarcity-based ideologies as a way to form some group "cohesion," but organized suppression only explains about 5-10% of why we do not have FE today. My work is largely about the other 90-95%. And as I evaluate my big essay, I think that I got the proportion about right. If I did it again, would I do it a little differently? Maybe. And future editions of the essay might have some reworking done, but it will probably be just a reshuffling of the deck, not really adding or subtracting much material. I am neither a conspiracist nor structuralist, but a comprehensivist who had a mystical awakening, and I fully acknowledge conscious manipulation of the system, but those manipulators fail to see a much vaster picture than their egocentric games will allow them. I doubt that they can be beaten at their game and it is dangerous and foolish to try, and I advocate getting beyond our egocentric conceits, and combined positive intention, as Brian wrote of, is the way out, IMO. We are not going to defeat the "bad guys" in battle, but we can only make them obsolete. Only 0.0001% of humanity waking up to that reality is all I need to "win" and help humanity into its next Epochal Phase. I doubt that that is asking too much of humanity, but we will see.

    Best,

    Wade
    Last edited by Wade Frazier; 15th December 2014 at 17:46.

  9. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), Limor Wolf (15th December 2014), Nine (15th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014)

  10. Link to Post #4406
    Ilie Pandia
    Guest

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hello,

    Yesterday I've seen a movie which made me think of this thread and the Free Energy discussion. (Yes, pretty much everything leads here, does it not?).

    The movie is called More Than Honey. (That's a link to the sales page, just so you know).

    There are a few very interesting (and heart breaking) things in that movie, but what I want to write about now is "domestication" and how that is anything BUT "natural".

    In an attempt to explain why the bees are dying all over the place, the narrator makes a good case that we have domesticated them, made them docile, squeeze all the honey of them (we basically steal it, as bee keepers readily admit). All this has brought the bees to a breaking point. They are weak and cannot face the onslaught any more. Apparently most bees cannot survive without human "help" in the form of water and chemicals. Reminded me of that world from Road's vision where cows were abused to give milk... That is what pretty much happens with the bees today.

    But the point I am trying to make is something that become even more clear: in domesticating animals and plans, humans have become domesticated (something which Wade touches on in his essay)! What we consider "organic" and "raw" are not so at all.

    I recommend watching that movie and keep in mind that if you replace the bee population with virtually any species on the planet that has been domesticated (including humans) and the picture that emerges looks pretty grim. If you are a bee lover this movie may be hard to watch. Also realize how this would be completely changed in a FE world. Another thing to keep an eye on is the blind and barbaric methods used by scientist to "study bees". I know they are super intelligent and some may actually care, but their methods are brutal.

  11. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Ilie Pandia For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), JRS (16th December 2014), Limor Wolf (15th December 2014), marie6346 (22nd December 2014), meeradas (15th December 2014), Nine (15th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014), Wade Frazier (15th December 2014)

  12. Link to Post #4407
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi Ilie:

    I have been aware of the plight of the bees for about a decade (I have a couple different documentaries here at home), and yes, the bee story is a great story on what our domestication methods have done to nature. IMO, what is most important, from a human perspective, is if it is loving or not. It may well be what humans are here to manifest, on a conscious level. Our success has been limited.

    I keep thinking back to those two Roads worlds all the time, when I think about what the approach based in love and the approach based in fear lead to, especially for manifesting the biggest event in the human journey and making that abundant world feasible.

    Basically, just about everything that we eat today (other than berries picked in meadows ( ) or our raids of the ocean) has been domesticated. I do not see humans or our plants "going wild" anytime soon, but we will continue along the "domestication" path, but it can be a loving one, without the brutal methods that you point out.

    Best,

    Wade
    Last edited by Wade Frazier; 15th December 2014 at 18:28.

  13. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Chris Gilbert (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), JRS (16th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), kudzy (16th December 2014), Limor Wolf (15th December 2014), Nine (16th December 2014), Ulyse30 (15th December 2014)

  14. Link to Post #4408
    Avalon Member Akasha's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th September 2012
    Location
    Hungary
    Age
    54
    Posts
    1,684
    Thanks
    6,219
    Thanked 5,657 times in 1,462 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Quote Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
    ..... we will continue along the "domestication" path, but it can be a loving one, without the brutal methods that you point out.....
    I'm reminded of and encouraged by your A Vegetarian's Journey essay and your prophetic statement that "an FE population will be vegetarian" (although I can't seem to locate it!).

    Your quote:

    Quote Humanity’s murderous ways are directly related to its carnivorous ways.
    has pride of place in a thread I started here around the exact same issue.

    Do you see a global vegetarian/vegan(I hope ) population through the successful implementation of free energy or will it simply be another aspect of the means becoming the ends in that transitioning to a compassionate diet aligned with love will in some way pave the way for the spiritual environement nessessary for realising global FE implementation (or is there another possible dynamic)?

    Re' bees: I'm probably bee-ing over-simplistic here, but if they didn't have their food stolen so that we could consume it, perhaps they'd be in better shape and maybe even become self sufficient again.

    Vegan rant over. Sorry. I know how polarising this topic can be and I don't want it to be responsible for scuppering this thread, but I still feel it's a discussion which should be explored here.
    Last edited by Akasha; 15th December 2014 at 20:13.
    the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated --- Gandhi

  15. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Akasha For This Post:

    Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), Nine (16th December 2014), Ulyse30 (15th December 2014), Wade Frazier (15th December 2014)

  16. Link to Post #4409
    United States Avalon Member Chris Gilbert's Avatar
    Join Date
    31st July 2012
    Age
    44
    Posts
    608
    Thanks
    5,537
    Thanked 4,012 times in 596 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    I think the choir/collective effort approach has a far higher chance of success overall. There are indeed heroes in the world, but heroes are fallible as well, and being in the limelight makes a person more vulnerable to ego delusions. Even if they resist said delusions, their associates may not, as occurred with Dennis. Another problem I see is with various people all wanting to be "THE ONE" who saved the world, and thus becoming needlessly paranoid and competitive with each other.

    I've noticed it in the UFO and channeling field, with people who have differing experiences and views all accusing each other of being disinfo agents or frauds. Most of them probably aren't consciously creating disinfo, what can happen is that initial experiences with channeling or telepathy can be very deeply imbedded in the subconscious and distort subsequent experiences, unless balanced with 3D world data and input from others.

    I also doubt the absolute, perfect state of enlightenment as defined in Buddhism and other traditions. The way it was explained to me by my Qigong teacher is that there is no final enlightenment, but rather enlighten-ments , transformations of awareness and the energy body that are endless and ongoing. Thus, the deep equanimity and compassion some monks and other teachers display is partly due to personal experience and practice but also being in an environment that supports said states. Change the environment and add in other stress factors and their integrity and equanimity can be shaken (though easier to return to than if you had never practiced at all). So yeah, don't put your faith in heroes and "perfect" enlightenment.

  17. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Chris Gilbert For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), Nine (16th December 2014), Ulyse30 (15th December 2014), Wade Frazier (15th December 2014)

  18. Link to Post #4410
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Great observations, guys. Yes, on "enlightenment," I agree that it is a journey, not a destination, and it is never over. On vegetarianism, I think that my own journey can serve as an example of what the prominent dynamics can be behind a world that largely, if not entirely, goes vegetarian in the near future.

    I have written plenty about when my family went "health nut" when I was 12. It was for the entirely self-serving motivation of being healthy, and vegetarianism was not part of our approach at all. Even when I went vegan when I was 20, I was not doing it out of some kind of enlightened regard for animals (although I have never been cruel to animals in my lifetime; long story, there), but I had already removed so many items from my diet that going vegan was almost just an experiment with me. When I went back to being vegetarian again after being forced into being a flesh eater when I began my career, it also was not out of some enlightened regard for animals, but because I could tell how eating meat impacted my health.

    However, I went vegetarian the last and final time (I will be one until I die, I am sure, and might get to being a vegan again - I have eaten nothing with a brain since the 1980s), it was the year that I met Dennis, and the next four years were my radicalizing years. I cannot recall exactly when it happened, but along the way, probably by being awakened to the awesome suffering that humanity has inflicted on each other when I began my media and history studies, I really thought about what animals had suffered through for being meat for humans, and I decided if I did not need to rob them of their lives to survive, then I wouldn't. There is no way that people need to eat meat to be healthy. When I hear people say that, I know it is a crock as they justify their desires with, "My biology made me do it."

    So, when people finally begin to understand that life on Earth does not have to be a zero-sum game of warfare, genocide, and exploitation of each other to live the good life (I get both barrels of those kinds of mentalities from all directions every day), then their ethical horizons will rise, and becoming vegetarian will be a normal outcome of the process. The kind of activism by organizations like PETA is childish and unfortunate, kind of like Black Bloc "anarchists." But while people commit their innumerable evils against each other, there is not much of a chance that they are going to be considerate of animal welfare.

    My supermarket does not test anything in the store on animals, and they try to participate in fair trade and support environmentally friendly practices. Sometimes it is lip service, but they are trying.

    On the bees, yes, harvesting their honey indeed puts stress on them. Heck, I have a close relative who had bee hives in his multi-acre "yard" which was mostly forest, and one year the bees were gone, and he admitted to me that he overharvested them the year before, and the hive starved to death that winter. Skimming the optimal amount, whether it is a society or a beehive, is a learned science.

    On the choir approach, if I did not think it had a chance, I would not be doing it. Yes, the effort cannot afford to have heroes in it. Just being a real person on the Internet is already beyond what about 99.9% of the people on the Internet can muster, so my choir idea will require some minimal level of courage and integrity, but it will be about a millionth of what Dennis has displayed.

    Not only are the ego temptations great for being a hero in manifesting the biggest event in the human journey, heroes in that milieu become targets for organized suppression, because if they cut off the snake's head, the body dies. I saw that repeatedly on my journey with Dennis. The choir will have to be a "No-Hero Zone.:

    Best,

    Wade
    Last edited by Wade Frazier; 16th December 2014 at 01:32.

  19. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (15th December 2014), Chris Gilbert (15th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), JRS (16th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), kudzy (16th December 2014), Nine (16th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014), Ulyse30 (15th December 2014)

  20. Link to Post #4411
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    Tweaking the monster chapters is done, and the rest of the essay is comprised of smaller ones, without nearly so much of the scientific/historical information in them, but those chapters are also where the lessons of the earlier chapters also begin to come together, and the comprehensive perspectives begin to come into view.

    I just finished tweaking this small chapter on post-World-War-II civilization, and many topics could be the basis for Q&As, and here is one.

    Q: Hi Wade. I understand how nobody is making any more coal, oil, or uranium, but we have now built the infrastructure for industrial civilization, at least in the West. Could we just live off that, and not really need all that much energy?

    A: In a word: nope. If you really think about technology and our industrial infrastructure, it all needs great amounts of energy to even run. It is similar to the fact that 90% of the wood used in early civilizations was burned. Nearly all of those fossil fuels are burned, and roughly half goes to running machines and half generates heat. Some of that is used to build infrastructure, but not much of it. The vast majority is consumed. Yes, we could to back to no air conditioning or heating, as a result of deciding what to do with our reduced energy budget, but since more than 80% of the world's energy is delivered by those fossil fuels, and we will totally run out of oil and gas in this century, and 90% of transportation today is powered by oil, the trade-offs will not be so easy. Basically, today's style of transportation will largely cease to exist, and maybe the sailing ship makes a comeback, but industrial civilization is really a complex of interdependent technologies that are designed with the current levels of energy use in mind. I would say that almost all of our industrial infrastructure would become unusable if we ran out of hydrocarbon energy.

    With FE, it all becomes obsolete, but if we ran out of fossil fuels and there was not another great energy source in the wings, we would all go back to being farmers, and the big cities would likely go the way of Rome, and quickly. That recent movie Interstellar kind of dealt with the theme, but in the usual and unfortunate Hollywood fashion. Also, believe it or not, institutions such as slavery would likely stage some kind of comeback. Again, one of the themes of my work is that humanity's seeming cognitive, social, and ethical advances are highly dependent on our economic condition, and if the bottom falls out of our economic production, women's status will decline once again, brute labor and violence will once again have a relatively high value placed on it, etc. Humanity's seeming sentience is highly economically conditioned. Get ready for something like Mad Max, but maybe without the vehicles, if we run out of energy.

    Best,

    Wade
    Last edited by Wade Frazier; 15th December 2014 at 22:16.

  21. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (16th December 2014), Joseph McAree (15th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), kudzy (16th December 2014), Nine (16th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014)

  22. Link to Post #4412
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    Another chapter down. That was the last chapter added to the big essay, and was written in response to a pal's desire to have me show the relationship between the financial and real economies, as his pals really did not understand the connection between energy and economics. To people such as Melinda and Limor, who are not scientists, the relationship seems obvious, but many on Earth are completely oblivious to the relationship, especially economists! That shows how truly crazy the West's ideological systems are, when something so obvious can be completely beyond the comprehension of people trained in the field.

    Again, I could make many Q&As for every chapter of my essay, even short ones like that newest one. Here is one.

    Q: So Wade, you wrote about the tar sands and their low EROI and other problems. I suppose the same could be said for shale oil, right? What will be the effect of this collapse in oil prices?

    A: Boy, there is a question near and dear to my heart. I guess that shale oil and fracking will likely not be as big an environmental catastrophe as the tar sands will be, but don't ask anybody who lives where the fracking and shale oil operations are. I have heard from quite a few pals with those operations in their states, and they all complain to me about them, on several levels, and the environmental damage may well be subtle (or not so subtle) and long-lasting.

    The bottom line is that tar sands and shale oil are not really even oil, but hydrocarbons that never got refined by geological processes into oil. They are among the dregs of Earth's hydrocarbons, with abysmally low EROIs. They are the dregs that the West is going after, now that all the easy oil is gone. It is not yet gone in the Middle East, hence our invasions and occupation of the region, but the idea of energy "self-sufficiency" that has been in the USA's business press the past few years is bizarre. How can we ever be "self-sufficient" in anything that we mine at a million times the rate that it is made, especially as our civilization would collapse without it? It is more of the mindlessness that comes from the mouths of those who have been indoctrinated into the dominant economic ideologies.

    To make that connection between the real and financial economies, those EROIs can be translated into money in ways. In the oil-rich Middle East, that high-EROI (around 40) oil has an extraction cost of a few dollars per barrel. That tar sand and shale oil with EROIs of around 3 or 2, has a cost of extraction of $40 and more per barrel. As the West's response to the financial collapse of 2008-2009 was to move nominal interest rates to zero and print boatloads of money, previously marginal operations got the money. Just like I saw with marginal real estate in the Savings and Loan Scandal, the shale oil operations got many billions of junk debt to fund their operations (of course, none for FE ). A great deal of those operations need oil to be priced at $100 per barrel to be profitable, but while there was all of that easy money, they sucked it up. Now, with the collapse in oil prices over the last several months, which may well last years, there is going to be another "domino effect" financial collapse. We are already in bubble states in several areas of the American economy, including high tech and real estate (two bubbles that should be very familiar to Americans ( ), and this oil price collapse (the Arabs can certainly keep on going with $4 per barrel extraction costs – not so for operations with extraction costs of $40 per barrel and more (direct extraction costs, and the "overhead" puts breakeven profitability at $60 to $100 and more for those shale oil operations)), so, the fireworks may be only beginning.

    The idea that the world's central banks can keep printing money and showering it on stuff like shale oil operations is absolute insanity, but it has always been this way with fiat currencies. It is just currency debasement, pure and simple, and has been happening since Rome.

    Best,

    Wade
    Last edited by Wade Frazier; 16th December 2014 at 02:12.

  23. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (16th December 2014), Czarek (16th December 2014), Joseph McAree (16th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), kudzy (16th December 2014), Nine (16th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014)

  24. Link to Post #4413
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    I have written about the medical racket for many years, and I am probably better known for my medical writings than anything else, including energy and history, and not much can surprise me in that realm, but this article raised my eyebrows:

    It is as blatant as what Wall Street rammed through in the recent spending bill. It is almost like they just hold a gun to people's heads with a smile as they rob them, and know that they will get away with it, because they own the sheriff, judge, and so on. These are some of the reasons why I say that the USA is dead.

    Best,

    Wade

  25. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (16th December 2014), Joseph McAree (16th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), Nine (16th December 2014), seko (16th December 2014)

  26. Link to Post #4414
    United States Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    14th February 2014
    Age
    68
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    941
    Thanked 426 times in 222 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Wade,

    I watched the Bee movie that Ilie put up and it was thought provoking.

    In the film was a discussion of how industrial Bee farming is conducted and the cause of colony collapse syndrome.

    At the end of the film was discussed the African bee and its aggressive tendencies and its mating and taking over of the other colonies that it encountered.

    Many Bee keepers said that these Bees do not produce honey nor could they be successfully farmed or controlled.

    Both of those assumptions were proven false by dedicated and cautious Bee keepers!

    The honey was more voluminous and with zero chemical impurities. In the American South West Bee keepers would help homeowners remove Africanized Bee infestations from homes and relocate them to their Bee farms for honey harvest.

    The remarkable thing about the Africanized Bees was there tendency to swarm if they found their human quarters unsuitable and it was also discussed that the hive itself might be the creature with some type of sentience! After swarming the hive would rally to protect their queen and send out scouts in search of a new home and then return with intel and the community itself would decide where to relocate based on solid scout intel almost like a military unit.

    These bees would relocate to very inaccessible areas from both human and other predators! And so what happens to a farmed and controlled humanity might just be a huge surprise of sorts for our controllers...not that I have any clue what that might be or if it will ever happen...

    Great thanks for our Ilie for sharing that film with us....

    thanx Wade and Ilie

    Nine
    Last edited by Nine; 16th December 2014 at 05:41.

  27. Link to Post #4415
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi:

    OK, somebody snuck into the choir Q&A…


    Q: Wade, what is your biggest screw-up in your writing work? You cover such vast subject matter that you have had to have messed up somewhere along the line. Where did you blow it the worst?

    A: What, and reveal all of my scholarly frailties!

    Actually, that would be a good exercise. About the time that my midlife crisis ended in 2006, I began to intentionally revisit memories where I screwed up, or where I acted less than nobly, or when my ego got a little too high on its horse, and I found it to be liberating in a way. Oh, I could still wince at times from the memories, but more often, I thought of the glorious mess that I had made and kind of marveled at it. I have written about my life's greatest crime at Avalon, and I definitely messed up in my adventures. Life is partly about screwing up and learning from our mistakes, our less-than-noble actions, and helping clean up our messes and ease any pain that we created around us. But you asked about my scholarly screw-ups, so here goes.

    As I think back, most of my screw-ups were made in private, because I almost never went public unless I was pretty damned sure that I was right, and I think that my biggest mistakes were made early on, as I was getting my feet wet in the fringes. I wrote about that book report on Comet Kohoutek when I was 15, and nothing happened like the book described. Kohoutek itself was barely visible when it finally arrived. So, I think that even back then, I learned to be cautious about that fringe stuff.

    When I staggered out of Ventura, radicalized, in 1990, the areas that I began to get my feet wet in were several. I was able to get library privileges from the university that I put my wife through in Ohio, and one of the first areas that I dove into was what we were doing in Ventura before they lowered the boom on us. I began studying thermodynamics, I obtained and studied Mr. Mentor's and Victor Fischer's engine patents, and also studied Dennis's heat pump. Boy, the Second Law of Thermodynamics said that none of our FE ideas, of marrying heat pumps with heat engines, could work. Fischer and Mr. Mentor thought that they could, and I heard some of why they thought so, but I had to put it aside. I understood why Dennis's heat pump was the world's best heating system, and why Mr. Mentor's and Fischer's engines were so revolutionary, but I had to end up putting a question mark in my head on whether they could be combined and do FE.

    The odds were against us, but I later learned that any technology that we were working on was not the threat that we presented to Godzilla. I was the focus of bringing talent together that could make us a formidable effort, and people like Sparky Sweet lived just down the road. I understand Godzilla's concern, as did Dennis. It was really no big surprise when they lowered the boom on us, but it is one thing to face it in one's imagination, and it is another to live through it. Oh, those memories are extremely painful to visit. So, looking into that technical stuff was very enlightening, and made our FE efforts in Ventura seemingly dubious, although Dennis revived them a decade later, as he worked with Fischer again, and they got one of his engines running for a day. Did it do FE? I kind of doubt it, but maybe it did.

    At the same time that I was diving into thermodynamics and what we were pursuing, I was introduced to the alternative media, including Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman. I also stumbled onto Ralph McGehee's work in those days, and reading his book was one of my awakening moments. Another year later, I was reading Howard Zinn, David Stannard, and the like. All these years later, their work is still rock solid, among the best iconoclastic works that exist in the West.

    But I was also Wade the Mystic, and I stumbled into Gaston Naessens in those days through a Canadian publishing company that I was ordering mystical books from. As I began my scholarly career in raiding the works referred to in the references, I stumbled into Ralph Hovnanian's Medical Dark Ages while reading about Royal Rife. I have to say that I have no doubt that Rife's and Naessens's microscopes indeed got/get "impossible" resolutions, similar to Yull Brown's "impossible" LENR with his Brown's Gas. What I did notice, at times, was some of that stuff being overhyped, like a list of more than 30 Brown's Gas applications that somebody involved with Yull came up with. While Brown's Gas is definitely weird stuff, those 30 applications were a bit of a stretch. Most were likely not very practical, even if possible (and they may have been largely possible).

    Whether the pleomorphic biology that was discovered with those microscopes is valid is an area where I could be considered to be going out on a limb, but I actually dug into the area more than a little, beginning with Béchamp, I got a live blood reading done, talked with specialists in the field, and was even working with a man who worked with Naessens, to have our own scope built, when the roof caved in on Dennis's New Jersey operation in 1997. I talked with Naessens and his wife, knew people who built and sold Rife devices, and eventually obtained some 714X for a person. If I had nothing but money and time, that entire area is one that I would love to dive into. Is it valid? I think so, and I am far from alone.

    I have watched the pioneers in that field be assailed by "skeptics" and medical authorities, but Morris Fishbein and the AMA, much less the "skeptics," do not have much credibility with me. I never saw a credible dismissal of those microscopes or their findings. Christopher Bird called Naessens the Galileo of the Microscope, and I can see why. Damn, just look through the microscope! How hard can that be?

    So, those were early areas that I looked into that were either rock solid or sure seemed credible and worthy of further investigation, which orthodoxy completely failed to investigate in a credible manner.

    But that does not mean that everything that I poked into ended up being valid. Because my father worked in Mission Control during the Space Race, I have always been an avid fan of space exploration. Right around the same time that I was diving into those other areas, I obtained William Brian's Moongate, which argued that the Moon really had much higher gravity than official acknowledged, and that we may have landed on the Moon using exotic technology, like maybe antigravity. For years, I thought that he really had something, but when I began to do the study for my website that I published in 1999, before I hired an editor, I was directed to a work that could get to the bottom of Brian's technical argument for why the Moon had high gravity, and it did not hold up.

    Over the years, I slowly became aware of a small group of people who argued that the moon landings were faked. I had considerable skepticism about that, but read the works over the years. I first encountered Bill Kaysing's booklet, which was not very convincing, but when I was with Dennis in 1996-1997, he had Ralph Rene's book. Rene had actually tried to create a way to perform a controlled experiment of Yull's LENR demo for Dennis's Philadelphia show, and Dennis's assistant said that Rene was not particularly likable. But I spent a night or two reading Rene's book. It was one heck of a lot better than Kaysing's, but was far short of convincing. In early 2001, almost begrudgingly, I decided that I had better get to the bottom of the faked moon landings issue, and I obtained Percy and Bennett's Dark Moon, obtained Jim Collier's video, and started to hunker down. I also got official NASA books, raided the libraries, etc. Just as I began to go deep, a TV show came on in which Brian O was interviewed, and he said that maybe we did not land on the Moon! Damn, but that made me really begin to dig deeply. The guy who produced that TV show also put out a video of allegedly faked NASA footage, and I got it.

    I'll tell you right now, that it can be extremely hazardous to one's sanity to spend months alone, sifting through that kind of material. For a couple of frantic days, I thought that there really was something to that "faked footage." I contacted experts in image analysis (like Face on Mars professionals, but got the brush off), and after a couple of days, I figured out that the footage really was not fake, but very misinterpreted by the person promoting it (Bart). Some of Collier's footage had me falling off my chair when I saw it, also of allegedly faked footage, that time from the lunar surface, but upon further investigation, it was not faked footage, but NASA PR people playing fast and loose in the editing room when making a movie for the public, and some misinterpretation by Collier. A lot of the so-called evidence of faked pictures and video footage is really just cropping and other games played by the PR people, which becomes evident when you obtain the raw footage.

    I began to go through Dark Moon, and went pretty deep on their claims, but one by one, they fell apart on further inspection. I am telling you the rabbit holes that I went into on this, before I ever went public with any of it. When I finally published the first draft of my cover-up essay, my position was that very little of the evidence presented by those arguing for faked moon landing withstood close inspection, and I stated that I felt pretty sure that we landed on the moon as advertised, but I still had some areas where I had some doubt. I kind of left it open-ended, and openly wondered what the truth might be.

    My first draft of that essay created a little splash in the moon hoax and JFK assassination communities on the Internet, and I was soon interacting with the man who today is considered the best expert on the faked moon landings evidence. He helped resolve some of my residual skepticism, and then we jointly found obscure Apollo 1 footage that removed about 99.9% of my residual doubt.

    Now, that is not an instance where I took some strong public stand, to later get egg on my face, but I was definitely going deep down the rabbit hole for a few months. In the end, it was an invaluable learning experience, the kind that I recommend for any fringe enthusiast. It can be very valuable to go down the rabbit hole, get misled, and eventually find your way back to the surface.

    I really have not taken any public stands where I ended up with egg on my face (or much), because I was pretty cautious about getting to the bottom of anything as best I could before I took a public stance. I could be "sold" privately for a while, but I would always kick the tires as best I could before I took a public stance, and when I got the egg on my face, it was a private egging.

    Time for bed, but tomorrow I plan to write about mistakes that I have made in my public work. I corrected them as I found them, and usually said so on my site, so that readers were not permanently misled by me, and I will get into some of those more memorable errors.

    Best,

    Wade
    Last edited by Wade Frazier; 16th December 2014 at 14:58.

  28. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Akasha (16th December 2014), Joseph McAree (16th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), Nine (16th December 2014)

  29. Link to Post #4416
    United States Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    14th February 2014
    Age
    68
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    941
    Thanked 426 times in 222 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Wade,

    Went for a long hike today with my pal pete....

    He is a brilliant investor who worked for years in those Chicago trading pits with futures.

    He knows markets.

    Oils target lows?

    55 dollars a barrel or lower which will trigger a bursting bubble that will last for a long time in QE inflated markets.

    He says that the Fed allowed for a huge miss allocation of capital.

    I asked my pal directly if energy from oil was the key to economics and his astute reply was that it is but not in the short term as oil as a commodity in today's short term world as corporations compute such things is in a state of huge over supply.

    The cause? An over supply of capitol directed at inefficient markets in the energy sector.

    He thinks that Russia is the cause. And so I asked him if indeed Russia is just another competitor for a limited resource?

    That was when he was confounded and so we discussed the horrible weather on our hike...

    Thanx Wade for your advice upon such matters...post 4415 above being a prime example!

    As always I get so much out of some of your stuff but that post above is so true about rabbit holes and the internet and there are lots of crazed folks out there to be sure...

    But are they(folks on the net) any more or less crazed than I was while involved with Evangelical Christianity?

    Maybe making folks crazed is the point for some folks...like in divide and conquer?

    Just a crazed opinion....

    Nine
    Last edited by Nine; 16th December 2014 at 07:26.

  30. Link to Post #4417
    United States Avalon Member Wade Frazier's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th January 2011
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    8,145
    Thanks
    790
    Thanked 58,979 times in 8,142 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi Nine:

    I was about to go to bed and saw your last post. Your friend was right regarding a bubble and misallocation of capital, as I also stated in my post. I'll write more tomorrow, but yes, oil corporations chasing a profit do not see oil the way that a scientist does. And even oil-producing nations have another perspective, which is also not how scientists see it, but people vying for power and their place in the world. Scientists who are talented and study the issue get the big picture of where oil fits in, but businessmen, capitalists, and leaders of oil producing nations have a more myopic view. Again, I'll write more tomorrow.

    Best,

    Wade
    Last edited by Wade Frazier; 16th December 2014 at 06:28.

  31. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Wade Frazier For This Post:

    Joseph McAree (16th December 2014), Krishna (26th June 2016), Nine (16th December 2014)

  32. Link to Post #4418
    United States Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    14th February 2014
    Age
    68
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    941
    Thanked 426 times in 222 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Wade,

    If I might comment upon your greatest crime.

    A pal of yours marries a hot chick and cheats upon her and basically treats her like **** and all of "his" pals hit on her since they know he is cheating on her and view her as fair game sexually speaking....and yes I am a bit older than you and I remember the seventies well as I was a young man then....

    And she sensed that you had a streak of decency about you and probably was looking to you for a rescue from her situation of being abused and she used what she had....her hot body as a way to attract you to her....

    Of course when older one looks at such things and sees how that it simply can not work out for anything good....

    As a young man I had a relationship with a woman whom I dearly loved and it was very long term and yet she met someone else and left me....and of course it was devastating to me as a young man and so I avoided promiscuous women though offered "services" I refused and then I met my Wife of over 30 years as you met your wife....that relationship is the best and most valued one that I have dearest Wade....

    You are a decent person Wade...

    I have many and very deep regrets about my life also and reflection is good and instructive to younger men...

    thanx

    Nine

  33. Link to Post #4419
    United States Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    14th February 2014
    Age
    68
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    941
    Thanked 426 times in 222 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Wade,

    As few post upon your thread it leaves me with just another opportunity to ask you your opinion about Israel and the middle east conundrum and the American empire.

    Upon reading conspiracy blogs the conclusion is that Israel controls America and that Jews are to blame for our collective national problems.

    What plain hogwash. Abrahamic religion is a control mechanism of our elites from the Romans.

    One could fixate on conspiracy of course but that is a dead end path.

    That script was created before the first century and was simply added on to to fit the situation as the elites changed and civilizations rose and fell and yet the story is still useful for control purposes.

    Uncle Noam calls Israel an American air craft carrier in the middle east.

    The tail does not wag the dog since the head dog is in total control as I see things...

    Many blog conspiracy writers say that Israel is a racist apartheid state which is true but bottom line from your essays is that America herself is a racist and apartheid state and that Israel is just her perverted step child....

    Of course the game is control of the last high EROI energy sources of hydrocarbons in the middle east.

    I am your average American and so to me this is so very clear to me...

    I have a four hour hike planed for tomorrow and the next day winter returns to Wisconsin and a freeze to our mountain bike trails....and of course cycling is my first love Wade I am so sorry to say...

    thanx

    Nine

  34. Link to Post #4420
    United States Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    14th February 2014
    Age
    68
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    941
    Thanked 426 times in 222 posts

    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Wade,

    If you have not noticed the huge difference between you and me is that huge emotion or emotion created by fact ....the emotion triggers such reactions with me and hard logic controls you and your memories...

    you state that you conduct your activities as .001 human subjective and 99 plus percent absolutely fair as in the financial world all markets are rigged and most all buy and sell activities are controlled by rackets of one sort or another??

    Yet source has contact with all and all is fair....

    one must choose a side before falling down some hole...

    with great love


    Nine

+ Reply to Thread
Page 221 of 570 FirstFirst 1 121 171 211 221 231 271 321 570 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Is Our Planet A Crystal?
    By Grizzom in forum Movies, TV, and Games
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 20th June 2010, 19:57
  2. They Came From Planet Earth
    By Grizzom in forum Movies, TV, and Games
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 19th June 2010, 07:22

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts