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    I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.
    Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
    And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.
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    Default Re: I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio

    Maunagarjana, I feel the same about Red Ice, the shows have slipped in the last few months which is a shame really for me

    but...

    on the up side, I have found Jimmy Church to be a good alternative if you haven't checked him out.

    I'm more into ancient history, myths, paranormal and the like.

    Anyone got any ideas for other good alternative shows??

    Others for me are Coast to Coast AM, Caravan To Midnight, Hagmann and Hagmann.

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    Maunagarjana, I feel the same about Red Ice, the shows have slipped in the last few months which is a shame really for me

    but...

    on the up side, I have found Jimmy Church to be a good alternative if you haven't checked him out.

    I'm more into ancient history, myths, paranormal and the like.

    Anyone got any ideas for other good alternative shows??

    Others for me are Coast to Coast AM, Caravan To Midnight, Hagmann and Hagmann.

    Cheers,
    Thanks for the recommendation. I'm sure I must have listened to Fade To Black in the past. I can't think of many shows to recommend to you. The only one that comes to mind is Truth Connections with Kathy Buckalew https://www.youtube.com/user/truthconnections/videos But maybe others have some recommendations for you.

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    Default Re: I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio

    Same here and as a result I haven't even looked at RI in many months.

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    Default Re: I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio

    After that Lash interview I stopped listening to Red Ice even tho, like all of y'all, I had been a long time listener and fan. Lash's recent series with Lisa opened me back up to him again on the Gnostic front and the important of the Nag Hammadi texts, but I doubt I'll go back to Red Ice any time soon.

    If he does, I'm sure y'all will let the rest of us know.
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    I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.
    Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
    And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.
    Thank you … Henrik and his cohort on Radio 14 are two of the most intellectual alternative views we have today … its too bad that he is being judged for bringing up subjects that people are not willing to research with an open mind … or have a really good "think" about … also being programmed to feel uncomfortable with certain issues should not be a reason to dismiss a persons work … or label anyone as a racist …

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    I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.
    Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
    And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.
    Thank you … Henrik and his cohort on Radio 14 are two of the most intellectual alternative views we have today … its too bad that he is being judged for bringing up subjects that people are not willing to research with an open mind … or have a really good "think" about … also being programmed to feel uncomfortable with certain issues should not be a reason to dismiss a persons work … or label anyone as a racist …
    I really don't see how anyone could see the stuff he puts on his site at times and not say to themselves, "This guy has a serious preoccupation with race." I really don't even think he would deny that he does, he would probably just try to make people who don't see it's importance seem clueless and careless to the . . . (cue the sad violin music) . . . the plight of the poor downtrodden white race who aren't even allowed to fight back when they are victimized. (weeps angrily)

    Am I judging him? Maybe I am, but I find anyone who overly identifies with race to be rather dense and shortsighted. And for someone with as much metaphysical knowledge as he has (or should have, based on all the people he's interviewed), there's just no excuse for that.
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    possibilities:

    1. Henrik has been infiltrated and compromised, illuminati style
    2. Henrik is a closet Nazi supremicist (spell chk.)
    3. Henrick is a heroin addict.
    4. Henrick is on an honest journey of knowledge and wisdom

    Conclusion:
    1. Yet to be determined

    Advice:

    " Dear Henry, don't come out of the White House like Limbaugh did, singing a different song the next day. If you're love of money, drugs and influence pre-occupies your consciousness re-direct your trajectory NOW. You still have time, very little time, but we will grant you 1 favor. We are Project Avalon, We are your jury.

    Speak now judgement is upon your soul.

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    People get judged all the time around here. Don't believe me, start a thread either praising or criticizing David Wilcock and watch the trash talk pile up. Now I regret even bringing up his name because now I might have read some of it.

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    Possibilities:
    1. Henrik has been infiltrated by the Powers that were.
    2. Henrik is a white supremisist
    3. Henrik is on heroin.
    4. Henrik is on a journey for knowledge and wisdom, as we are.

    Conclusion:
    1. Yet to be determined.

    Advice:

    Dear Henry,

    If you have been accosted, Limbaugh style, Project Avalon hereby serves notice. We are your jury. Speak now before judgement falls upon you

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    Default Re: I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio

    I read it the first time, but thanks for the completely useless reiteration. Maybe if you post it a third time it will start becoming funny.

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    Quote Posted by aranuk (here)
    I too used to like Hentik's interviews and I too have heard his opinions creep into the dialogue and I was initially quite shocked and found myself questioning if I had heard him correctly. I did. I have not watched another of his interviews since.
    Isn't that excessively dismissive? The interviews are mostly about what the guests think, not what Henrik thinks. Could it be that you are throwing out the baby with the bath water?

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    Maunagarjana , I never listened to RedIce, but it might help if you included some direct quotes from the website in the OP, so everyone could be clear exactly what you are focused on.

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    I have to admit, I don't understand the cultural dynamics of Sweden. It's very far removed from where I am in California, both in terms of distance and the mindset. And I don't know all the history of racial tensions in Sweden. But I think, as others have attested, there has at least been a change of tone. So, it's good to know I'm not the only one noticing this. But I have gone on the Red Ice facebook page and pointed out the xenophobic drift of the show, and people attack me like I'm some shrill spokesperson of liberal multiculturalism for just pointing out what should be obvious. Maybe people are just a little bit sensitive. Or maybe they're defensive because there's some truth to it.

    It is very difficult to explain a whole society in a few lines. It gets very general and perhaps will not say as much but all the same I will try to depict a bit of my Sweden for you.

    I was born in the 50s, my parents came from countryside farms and moved into a city and got jobs and housing without almost no schooling, only 6 years of Folkskola. Our gov was the same year in and year out. Almost everybody was a Socialdemokrat. We felt secure and prosperous. Everything material got better. We needed people from other countries to join the workforce. People from other european countries came here to work. In the 70s the goal of the gov was that almost everybody has to go to university to get a good job. People of the academia made statements about everything. They were specialists who knew better. It was very important that everything was scientific. Decisions took a long time since there always had to be an investigation first (with people from the university of course).

    It seemed like we all were supposed to come from the same "cast". See the same tv-shows, talk about the same newspaper headlines and so on. There were so many countries that had political problems (Greece, Spain, Iran) so some people from there had to leave their homecountries and come to Sweden where everything was perfect and so on. We also got a few of the US deserters from the Vietnam war. We were such a welcoming country! And not as barbarious and warmongering as the US. We had a clean conscience and thought we were scientific and good. Not religiously deluded or anything.

    When Palme was shot in the 80s it was like horrendous this could happen in a free country. Of course they didnt find his murderer. (Ole Dammegård writes about that.)

    The next gov began to sell everything the state owned. It was like in GB, and the Thatcher woman only in Sweden the Socialdemocrats began to sell out state properties for small change. People without knowledge started to play with money not belonging to them. Now everything was about money, and how important it was with enterprises and businesses. Before if you got sick you could be provided for but now sick people were accused of being lazy and liars. It was the trickledown politics.

    More people from abroad coming in. Very important with the free trade and so on. Now the people coming in often come as refugees, and often have thrown their passports away before going to the authorities. They could be criminals - we cant know that. Also they are so many that the authorities dont have time to investigate so most of them get to stay if they plead they are refugees. They also come from out of Europe like Africa, Middle East, Irak. They often have no education. They get money and somewhere to live. It takes about 7 years before they can support themselves (language, work).

    In the 90s economic crisis same as anywhere else. We get a party that calls themselves Sweden democrats but they stem from an earlier naziparty that consisted mainly of skinheads. People are discontent and vote for them. They are now the 3rd party in Sweden. They were celebrating their "victory" in the elctions together with the Israeli flag and a jewish spokesperson on the stand! I wonder who funded them ? The other politicians dont want to talk to them or cooperate since the Swedendemocrats say they want to adjust the immigration-policy. That is almost a criminal thing to say in Sweden even if many of us thinks it.

    The journalists in Swedish radio-tv is often talks about how terrible it is for the immigrants and so on and that we must spend more money on these issues. Same time rape is more frequent than ever in Sweden, young girls get raped by gangs, unheard of 20 years ago. So all men are now suspects. People dont get the help they need and so on. It is like the bad guys at least have one good idea and the "good" ones dont seem to be grounded. We have no Defense to talk about anymore. So now we practise together with Nato soon to be a part of Nato I guess. Sweden does what US tells us to do.

    Lucky for us we still have the Swedish krona instead of the Euro. Soon only one bank in Sweden want your cash - Forex - the others wont bother with cash. You cant sell things on the market square without a register. You cant sell or buy a car without going through a bank.

    We have been one sort of a totalitarian community bought off with material things and now when "nothing works" as it should it is sort of another totalitarity taking over. We are not sovereign and safe as we thought. We are on our way to distinction like everyone else.

    We all have to change our way of life of course and that is for the better I think.
    I really think this Ragnarök we are experiencing now will end and we will end up wiser after. We will get rid of the wolf of greed be sure of it.

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    Quote Posted by astridmari (here)
    Quote Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

    I have to admit, I don't understand the cultural dynamics of Sweden. It's very far removed from where I am in California, both in terms of distance and the mindset. And I don't know all the history of racial tensions in Sweden. But I think, as others have attested, there has at least been a change of tone. So, it's good to know I'm not the only one noticing this. But I have gone on the Red Ice facebook page and pointed out the xenophobic drift of the show, and people attack me like I'm some shrill spokesperson of liberal multiculturalism for just pointing out what should be obvious. Maybe people are just a little bit sensitive. Or maybe they're defensive because there's some truth to it.

    It is very difficult to explain a whole society in a few lines. It gets very general and perhaps will not say as much but all the same I will try to depict a bit of my Sweden for you.

    I was born in the 50s, my parents came from countryside farms and moved into a city and got jobs and housing without almost no schooling, only 6 years of Folkskola. Our gov was the same year in and year out. Almost everybody was a Socialdemokrat. We felt secure and prosperous. Everything material got better. We needed people from other countries to join the workforce. People from other european countries came here to work. In the 70s the goal of the gov was that almost everybody has to go to university to get a good job. People of the academia made statements about everything. They were specialists who knew better. It was very important that everything was scientific. Decisions took a long time since there always had to be an investigation first (with people from the university of course).

    It seemed like we all were supposed to come from the same "cast". See the same tv-shows, talk about the same newspaper headlines and so on. There were so many countries that had political problems (Greece, Spain, Iran) so some people from there had to leave their homecountries and come to Sweden where everything was perfect and so on. We also got a few of the US deserters from the Vietnam war. We were such a welcoming country! And not as barbarious and warmongering as the US. We had a clean conscience and thought we were scientific and good. Not religiously deluded or anything.

    When Palme was shot in the 80s it was like horrendous this could happen in a free country. Of course they didnt find his murderer. (Ole Dammegård writes about that.)

    The next gov began to sell everything the state owned. It was like in GB, and the Thatcher woman only in Sweden the Socialdemocrats began to sell out state properties for small change. People without knowledge started to play with money not belonging to them. Now everything was about money, and how important it was with enterprises and businesses. Before if you got sick you could be provided for but now sick people were accused of being lazy and liars. It was the trickledown politics.

    More people from abroad coming in. Very important with the free trade and so on. Now the people coming in often come as refugees, and often have thrown their passports away before going to the authorities. They could be criminals - we cant know that. Also they are so many that the authorities dont have time to investigate so most of them get to stay if they plead they are refugees. They also come from out of Europe like Africa, Middle East, Irak. They often have no education. They get money and somewhere to live. It takes about 7 years before they can support themselves (language, work).

    In the 90s economic crisis same as anywhere else. We get a party that calls themselves Sweden democrats but they stem from an earlier naziparty that consisted mainly of skinheads. People are discontent and vote for them. They are now the 3rd party in Sweden. They were celebrating their "victory" in the elctions together with the Israeli flag and a jewish spokesperson on the stand! I wonder who funded them ? The other politicians dont want to talk to them or cooperate since the Swedendemocrats say they want to adjust the immigration-policy. That is almost a criminal thing to say in Sweden even if many of us thinks it.

    The journalists in Swedish radio-tv is often talks about how terrible it is for the immigrants and so on and that we must spend more money on these issues. Same time rape is more frequent than ever in Sweden, young girls get raped by gangs, unheard of 20 years ago. So all men are now suspects. People dont get the help they need and so on. It is like the bad guys at least have one good idea and the "good" ones dont seem to be grounded. We have no Defense to talk about anymore. So now we practise together with Nato soon to be a part of Nato I guess. Sweden does what US tells us to do.

    Lucky for us we still have the Swedish krona instead of the Euro. Soon only one bank in Sweden want your cash - Forex - the others wont bother with cash. You cant sell things on the market square without a register. You cant sell or buy a car without going through a bank.

    We have been one sort of a totalitarian community bought off with material things and now when "nothing works" as it should it is sort of another totalitarity taking over. We are not sovereign and safe as we thought. We are on our way to distinction like everyone else.

    We all have to change our way of life of course and that is for the better I think.
    I really think this Ragnarök we are experiencing now will end and we will end up wiser after. We will get rid of the wolf of greed be sure of it.
    Welcome to Canada. It looks pretty much the same. History and all. Except for ghe French factor maybe (in Quebec)

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    Ok, will do.
    In the Webbot forum, henrik gave the members access to both hours of an interview with Clif free for one week. I could not get the second hour to play and after trying everything possible, I expressed my frustration in the webbot forum. Henrik decided to use my frustration (expressed without attack on henrik, mostly because it never even occurred to me, but including my failure to get someone from his website to respond back to me), as a reason to remove the listening privileges for that interview and all future interviews with clif. I felt then and still feel that he was looking for any excuse he could find to get out of his agreement. After that experience, I have never listened to another red ice interview.
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    I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.
    Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
    And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.

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    Quote Posted by astridmari (here)
    Yes I also noticed the change. Being swedish I also know what we go through here in Sweden. We have been sort of "Bror Duktig" /Practical Pig in Sweden for a long time. Always doing the right thing sort of. Sometimes you get fed up beeing spoonfed what you must think to be considered a good person. Perhaps Henric is cleansing himself from a lot of programming and soon will snap out of it.
    This.

    I think you're all very quick to judge Henrik. Few people have done more for the understanding of the diversity of the human disposition than he has. Nor have I ever heard anything remotely racist in any of his opinions and broadcasts.

    The so called "revisionism" found recently in his programmes is much needed. Contrary to popular opinion, the present day world is not constructed from a binary history of "bad people and good people" but from a complex tapestry to which our education system does not remotely do justice.

    How many 9/11's, medical scams, global financial rips offs and scientifically based lies to people need to experience before they stop their dismissive self-censoring as has been expressed in this thread ?

    The Red-Ice series has simply decided to probe some taboos that needed probed. So they put a few noses out of joint, but the death camps and massacres of the 20 th century were potentially as much a product of the celebrated "good guys" as the demonised "bad guys" and it's about time we all start taking responsibility for it instead of lumping it all on one character.

    If you're "finished with Red Ice" over something as trivial as this then I suggest you finish with the quest for truth altogether and take up fishing instead. That's the implicit message in the subject line of this thread.

    For those who need it spelled out, the main thrust of Henrik's recent theme is to highlight the threat that centralised popular control systems pose to human cultures which have developed over periods of millennia. It's not a question of favouring one 'race' over another, it's a question of favouring and preserving human cultural diversity in the face of psychopathic geo-political cartels.

    I urge people to reconsider the conclusion alluded to by this thread.

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    Quote Posted by Snowflower (here)
    Ok, will do.
    In the Webbot forum, henrik gave the members access to both hours of an interview with Clif free for one week. I could not get the second hour to play and after trying everything possible, I expressed my frustration in the webbot forum. Henrik decided to use my frustration (expressed without attack on henrik, mostly because it never even occurred to me, but including my failure to get someone from his website to respond back to me), as a reason to remove the listening privileges for that interview and all future interviews with clif. I felt then and still feel that he was looking for any excuse he could find to get out of his agreement. After that experience, I have never listened to another red ice interview.
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    I wouldn't know about his racial views, but I know from personal experience with him that he judges others quickly, without obtaining truth but basing his judgment on emotion and prejudice. I decided several years ago to have nothing to do with him.
    Perhaps you can qualify the highlighted text ... i find it kind of vaguely accusatory against him (Henrik Palmgren) ...
    And i feel it is an unfair attack (hearsay) ... Especially since there is no way to verify your personal claim.
    Thanks Snowflower for that polite and quick response ...

    That's very unfortunate and i do understand your disappointment and frustrations ...

    And with that ... Here's Wishing You A Much Happier New Year !

    PS ~ i would also like to add that i am also taken back with some of the interview/news items that Red Ice Creations has produced this last year ... But with the excellent explanation via our fellow member astridmari... and also noting the volatile social dynamics occurring in Europe presently ... i still will continue to give Henrik the benefit of the doubt ...
    Unless his actions demonstrates otherwise.

    Blessing to All ~ Gio

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    Yes it is , I admire some of these peoples strength to deal with so many difficult , some dirty and controversial subjects for any long period of time .

    Itself , it's a sacrifice .

    There's an endless lie being told to people of all times , at all the times . It's good to hear of others but there's no one else to know what the Truth is , and isn't , than you, at your place .. it needs gathering of information ..

    but beyond that .. processing the information..

    to arrive at greater conclusions .


    The sense we will be able to make of things in 20 or 30 years, looking back.. will be still different from whatever can be predicted .


    You can't walk this way without trust that you'll be the same honest with yourself than you were at the beginning , if not more honest .


    And ...there's no one who can carry all the world on his own back...

    like that proverbial turtle ..



    Merry Christmas also to Red Ice Radio

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    Default Re: I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio

    Man don't write off RIR just yet.

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