An AirAsia A320 with 162 on board reported missing

[Dora]

here it is..

[ParakeetMGP]

(?) I heard of this News yesterday and waiting 24 Hours to think they should find an airliner by now (?) I think it is "Ridiculous" they can not find any kind of downed "Airliner" in 24 Hours. I get very "Suspicious" of this kind of News Nonsense! Something just isn't right by this "Time" Evasive News by now isn't giving me "the honesty there is in News"

[HolographicWonder]

Just a side note.. Tony Fernandes, owner of AirAsia, is a member of the international advisory board of the global march to jerusalem.. Its maybe nothing, but always a heads up, with anything involving Israel, Palestine and the Zionist Agenda...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fernandes

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO120...-jerusalem.htm

[MorningSong]

hmmm... did anyone look that up?

The Global March to Jerusalem (GMJ) is a groundbreaking new initiative that organises non-violent civil resistance in the form of annual marches towards Jerusalem, or the nearst possible point in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

The GMJ is comprised of a diverse coalition of Palestinian, Arab and international activists who are united in the struggle to liberate the holy city of Jerusalem (the city of Peace) from the illegal Zionist occupation.

The peaceful marchers demand freedom for Jerusalem and its people. Our aim is to end the Zionist policies of apartheid, ethnic cleansing and Judaisation, which all harm the people, land and sanctity of Jerusalem. Judaisation has involved the unrestricted expansion and funding of illegal Israeli settlements, the continued dispossession and demolition of Palestinian property, and the construction of a Separation Wall surrounding the city, all of which have changed the demographics of the holy city from a Palestinian to a Jewish majority.

Global participation in the march confirms to the world that these policies and practices of the racist state of Israel against Jerusalem and its people are a crime not only against Palestinians but against all humanity.

The march unites the efforts of Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Jews, and all citizens of conscience in the world to put an end to Israel’s disregard for international law through the continuing occupation of Jerusalem and the rest of Palestinian land.....

http://www.gm2j.com/v2/en/about-us/

[KiwiElf]

This is sadly shaping up to be a repeat of MH370 (and therefore I suspect a Cabal-induced "incident"). Only now are the media saying the aircraft was recorded as flying too slowly after it requested an altitude increase shortly before it disappeared, implying the aircraft stalled and fell into the sea (in which case where's the wreckage and bodies???). We are being fed little "factoids" (made up as they go????) which should have been available from the outset.

Experts say QZ8501 was flying too slow
Danielle McGrane, AAP Updated December 29, 2014, 11:41 am

(videos at link)

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/...ying-too-slow/

The missing AirAsia aircraft was likely flying too slow when it encountered bad weather conditions, according to aviation experts.

Flight QZ8501, an Airbus A320, went missing on Sunday morning while travelling from Indonesia to Singapore.

As the search operation resumes on Monday morning, speculation on what may have happened points to weather, speed and an older radar system.

Geoffrey Thomas, aviation expert and editor of airlineratings.com, spoke to several check captains and believes the pilot of the QZ8501 encountered difficult weather conditions but flew too slow in his efforts to avoid it.

"Pilots believe that the crew, in trying to avoid the thunderstorm by climbing, somehow have found themselves flying too slow and thus induced an aerodynamic stall similar to the circumstances of the loss of Air France AF447 to crash in 2009," Mr Thomas told AAP.


The Air France AF447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 while en route from Rio De Janeiro to Paris.

"The QZ8501 was flying too slow, about 100 knots which is about 160 km/h too slow. At that altitude that's exceedingly dangerous," Mr Thomas said.

"I have a radar plot which shows him at 36,000 feet and climbing at a speed of 353 knots (ground speed), which is approximately 100 knots too slow ... if the radar return is correct, he appears to be going too slow for the altitude he is flying at."

Mr Thomas said this should not happen in an A320, a sophisticated aircraft, so it appears as though it's related to extreme weather conditions.

"He got caught in a massive updraft or something like that. Something's gone terribly wrong," he said.

"Essentially the plane is flying too slow to the altitude and the thin air, and the wings won't support it at that speed and you get a stall, an aerodynamic stall."


The A320, while sophisticated, is not equipped with the latest radar, Mr Thomas said.

The radar used by the A320 can sometimes have problems in thunderstorms and the pilot may have been deceived by the severity of these particular ones.

The latest technology radars, which were pioneered by Qantas in 2002, can give a more complete and accurate reading of a thunderstorm, but they haven't been certified for the A320 until next year.

"If you don't have what's called a multi-skilled radar you have to tilt the radar yourself manually, you have to look down to the base of the thunderstorm to see what the intensity of the moisture and the rain is, then you make a judgment of how bad it is. It's manual, so it's possible to make a mistake, it has happened," Mr Thomas said.

[KiwiElf]

Extract from the latest Ben Fulford Report

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...447#post917447

Obama spent last Saturday playing golf in Hawaii with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak. Apparently Razak failed to please Obama because while he was visiting the US, Malaysia was hit with severe floods and, as soon as he returned home, a third Malaysia airliner vanished.

Now e-mails are being sent to this writer claiming the third vanished plane will be used for a nuclear terror attack in the Ukraine.

[HolographicWonder]

A mysterious user of the Chinese social media network Weibo apparently predicted the disappearance on AirAsia Flight QZ8501 almost two weeks before the plane went missing, urgently warning Chinese nationals not to use the airliner in dozens of posts.

The report, carried by the Epoch Times, relates the story of how the individual “repeatedly warned people away from Malaysia Airlines (and) AirAsia.”

“Do not become another victim of MH370,” warned the individual in a December 15 post, adding that AirAsia was about to be targeted by “powerful” forces which he referred to as the “black hand”.

“This is a life-saving message to Europe or the US tour, do not take AirAsia (or) Malaysia Airlines airliner,” states the translated version of one of the posts.

The user went on to assert that the “black hand” was out to “ruin AirAsia,” Malaysia’s second largest airline company. Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 went missing in March earlier this year, while MH17 was shot down over Ukraine in July.

The individual repeated his warning in subsequent posts made on the 16th and 17th of December, writing, “This is a major event in human life, we have to pay attention,” adding, “far from AirAsia, Malaysia Airlines away, cherish life.”

Speculation on the Reddit forum by Chinese users suggests that the posts may have originally been made on the 15th but then later edited with the prediction about AirAsia added after the disappearance of Flight QZ8501.

The user made a total of 39 posts on the subject which were viewed by 650,000 people. After flight QZ8501 disappeared, users returned to the threads to express amazement at the individual’s prediction, speculating that he was an “insider” of some kind or connected to the Malaysian or Chinese government.

Investigators are still hunting for the wreckage of the AirAsia flight, which had 162 passengers on board when it disappeared during a flight from Surabaya to Singapore, with the head of Indonesia’s search-and-rescue team asserting that the plane is likely to be at the bottom of the sea.

No Chinese nationals were on Flight QZ8501 when it went missing.

A separate report carried by Russian news outlet Sputnik claims that “a relative of a missing passenger received a text message from an unknown sender, stating that the plane made an emergency landing and all passengers were alive,” although this was never subsequently confirmed.

Unidentified objects discovered in the Java Sea by an Australian AP-3C Orion patrol aircraft are not likely to be wreckage from the AirAsia Flight.

http://www.infowars.com/did-mysterio...irasia-flight/

[EWO]

About a week ago I had this bad feeling that something bad would happen on 1227. I saw this number in several places all at once, one after another.
I didnt know what would happen, just a bad feeling. Now we have this plane gone missing on Dec 27.

Ive also been seeing 333 for past few months but then few weeks ago it stopped and 222 started, almost like its a slow countdown to something. Now I am seeing a transition from 222 to 111. I guess Ill find out when 111 stops.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Extract from the latest Ben Fulford Report

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...447#post917447

Obama spent last Saturday playing golf in Hawaii with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak. Apparently Razak failed to please Obama because while he was visiting the US, Malaysia was hit with severe floods and, as soon as he returned home, a third Malaysia airliner vanished.

Now e-mails are being sent to this writer claiming the third vanished plane will be used for a nuclear terror attack in the Ukraine.

the British National on board is a power Engineer and his company works in nuclear technology...

add these to a miniaturization technology and you have nuclear drone robots with laser weapons repowered by nukes, and imagine the self destruct damage one could cause...

launch a million mini robots with AI hive intelligence to destroy any nations military in a single wave...

I doubt Ukraine is Rothschild's target...

if China made a financial move Rothschild could launch a private robot army against them...

US wouldn't have to kidnap planes if they wanted these engineers, they'd just offer them a salary they couldn't refuse and put them to work...

this is private under the radar operations of Dr Evil...

[Calz]

Catherine Austin Fitts is someone I *really* trust.

She has long suggested (going back into the 90's) the big money was moving to China from the USA.

... read ... NWO plan going forward ...


There has been little evidence of anything for the USA other than internal controlled demolition for a very long time ... we are now watching it unfold ...


... yet this is still a sideshow for the bigger picture ...


imho

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by HolographicWonder (here)

A separate report carried by Russian news outlet Sputnik claims that “a relative of a missing passenger received a text message from an unknown sender, stating that the plane made an emergency landing and all passengers were alive,” although this was never subsequently confirmed.

http://www.infowars.com/did-mysterio...irasia-flight/

well cell towers could pinpoint that location, us warships could triangulate signals...

like I said they needed this Nuclear Engineer for whatever they are planning...

maybe North Korea needed help with the attack their nuclear facilities are under...

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Dora (here)
there's this interesting video on youtube... does anybody here reads chinese to translate the link in the video?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jIxMgNiqHT8

Hopefully Post #47 above (thank you HolographicWonder) - and this thread from ExomatrixTV answers your question, Dora. Very worthwhile to look at this. Hope the original poster (at YT) is OK! Thanks syrwong for the translation!

Someone in China warned of a AirAisa disaster 13 days before QZ8501 disappeared
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...01-disappeared

EDIT: Update: MSM now reporting smoke being seen coming from a nearby Island in the Java Sea - is being investigated...

[jerry]

AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes dumped 944,800 shares in Tune Insurance Holdings Bhd, the organization that provides travel insurance for AirAsia passengers, just days before the disappearance of Flight QZ8501

http://www.infowars.com/airasia-ceo-...t-disappeared/

[Tesseract]

There has been a report that debris that looks like a 'plane door and emergency slide' has been sighted, and in addition to that there are a couple of other debris finds. Hopefully there will soon be confirmation that this is indeed the wreckage.

I have also read that radar did in fact detect the plane begin a rapid altitude descent shortly after the last transmission, but I don't have a credible link to that at the current moment. If true, this clears up one of the things that was puzzling about this case.

Link:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-3...ch-res/5992600

[Rocky_Shorz]

they are recovering bodies from the flight, no survivors found...

[Dora]

may they rest in peace..

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only 10 km away from where the plane was last seen on the radar.. and still took them 2 days to find it.did they not search that area in the first day?

[KiwiElf]

Let's see what the flight recorders reveal... if they find them.

In light of the YouTube Chinese prediction in advance (above), and other "interesting" info, I'm not yet convinced that this was a "pure accident". Am hoping someone can find a YouTube video of the following complete interview (if it exists!):

CNN's version of events played just about half an hour ago (approx 10:00 pm NZ time), at that stage claiming "95% sure it's the missing AirAsia flight", and that they "think" there may be bodies, wreckage, and shadow of the fuselage, but showed us nothing like this or revealing anything recognizable (or claiming that they had actually recovered bodies, just that they thought they could see bodies. As I write this, they may well have done so, and perhaps our Kiwi version is delayed)...

Now this is the "interesting bit: it followed with video excerpts from an earlier live interview on FOX, approx 3 hours ago... That interview contained two women who had lost their partners on MH370: the FOX reporter actually started one woman's interview with a very directed and loaded lead-in question along the lines of "you don't really think it was a [coverup - not the word actually used but implied], do you?" Well she appeared to be genuinely distraught, answered very frankly, re-accounting what this latest incident has done to her: the daily agony, stress and grief she is going through, but also the lies, corruption, avoidance of answers, the runaround story of the time right up to now, the lack of information, etc.

I thought someone at FOX would pull the plug on her right there and then!

But she kept going, concluding that she believed all three recent air disasters (MH370, MH17 and this latest one) were indeed connected, a coverup and a lie, and for highly sinister reasons etc,. Wooo! Thought the FOX reporter was going to faint or, they'd cut her off.

On the recent CNN version however, this bit was conveniently left out, completely changing the context.

As far as CNN are concerned, "this is the way it happened" is already being carefully played out and repeated in advance, ad-nauseum, before we actually know what happened (whatever that will be).

[Rocky_Shorz]

by the sound of it searchers found them and thought they were alive, so they most likely were alive for a while, water landing and some made it out through the door...

too bad they didn't respond quicker

[KiwiElf]

Yeah, but the "wreckage" is a big distance away from the last known position, and almost back in the opposite direction they were supposedly heading

[MorningSong]

Following this here:

AirAsia relatives distraught as bodies found in sea

More than 40 bodies have been recovered from the Java Sea as crews work at a site off the coast of Kalimantan where the plane went down on Sunday after departing from Surabaya en route to Singapore.




JAKARTA: An Indonesian warship recovered more than 40 bodies from the sea Tuesday (Dec 30) in the search for debris and passengers from AirAsia Flight QZ8501, a navy spokesman told AFP.

"Based on the navy radio, it has been reported that the warship Bung Tomo has retrieved 40 bodies and the number is growing. They are very busy now," Manahan Simorangkir said.

Relatives of passengers on AirAsia flight QZ8501 began crying hysterically and fainting as Indonesian television footage showed a body floating in the sea during aerial searches for the plane.

At least two distraught family members were carried out on stretchers from the room where they had been waiting for news in Surabaya, Indonesia's second largest city - the take-off point for the aircraft that disappeared during a storm on Sunday. "My heart will be totally crushed if it's true. I will lose a son," 60-year-old Dwijanto, who like many Indonesians goes by one name, told AFP.

More than 48 hours after the Airbus A320-200 lost contact carrying 162 people to Singapore, aerial searchers spotted items in the Java Sea which officials said were from the plane. Soon after they began recovering dozens of bodies.

As the first body was shown floating in the water on rolling television news, relatives burst into tears and hugged one another amid cries for more ambulances, said an AFP reporter at the scene.

One man covered his face and had to be held up by two other men before he fainted and was taken out by stretcher. Another woman was screaming and crying as she was supported by the mayor of Surabaya.

A female AirAsia officer shouted at the television media for showing footage of a floating body, while about 200 journalists were barred from the room holding the families, the windows of which were boarded up. "Is it possible for you not to show a picture of the dead? Please do not show a picture of a dead body," said the officer. "That's crazy."

Munif, a 50-year-old whose younger brother Siti Rahmah was on the plane, said he had been trying hard to keep the other families calm.

"But the atmosphere was very different after the footage of a dead body was shown. Families became hysterical," he said. "Because everyone was wailing and yelling, I couldn't deal with it so I decided to leave the room."

In Malaysia, families of those on the MH370 flight that went missing without a trace in March hoped those lost in the latest tragedy could at least have a proper burial. "The families can now have a closure and have a peace of mind which I am dying for," said Selamat Omar, whose 29-year-old son was on the Malaysia Airlines plane.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...s/1558288.html

Updates at: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...a/1557034.html

Green dot is where the suspected debris has been found: