An AirAsia A320 with 162 on board reported missing

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Rocky & MorningSong - looks like we're getting the CNN info about an hour after you folks.

[Agape]

It's the 4th plane this year as far as I'm aware of .. at least these were found , the MA370 is still probably somewhere down there .
I think they had to divert from the course because the weather was real bad .

It's sad . Prayers for all the victims and their families

[jackovesk]

Busted: AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes dumped 944,800 shares 1 Day Before Flight Disappeared (Video)

Monday, December 29, 2014 13:08

AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes dumped 944,800 shares in Tune Insurance Holdings Bhd, the organization that provides travel insurance for AirAsia passengers, just days before the disappearance of Flight QZ8501.

The day the airline disappeared, the stock fell by 7%, do you believe in coincidences?

As you will see in the video below Dabooh7 confirms these actions. This is no different than on the days prior to 911, when Airline stock options, Banks and insurance companies saw very unusual trading action before the planes flew into the World Trade Center (Twin Towers).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3eThBKpkSco

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...o-3084488.html

[SilentFeathers]

Another strange "coincidence" is that Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razzak was vacationing with Obama in Hawaii as this event took place.

Both vacationing this week in Oahu, Hawaii, Obama and Najib teed off on Wednesday on a cloudy but balmy afternoon at a Marine Corps base, not far from where Obama is renting a home for his two-week stay.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3NOUYIqqd

[ParakeetMGP]

This looks "Suspicious" to me. I would think Pilots would have a better way to avoid a storm (?) then just afterwords this story of another "AirAsia" running off the runway in the Philippines ... http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...kalibo-n276646 I went to NBC's site on it. And why so long to find this plane in the waters by now? (I would think they should have emergency beacons on airliners when they go down to be tracked right away (?) ( After 70 years of aviation technology by now (?) ... ) ... ) (Is there something going on to "Dense" our "Consciousnesses" in "Life"?) Like something could "Sedate" our "Minds" from "Functioning" at their best (?) ... ) I would like to hear what happen sometime after the investigation, if they can come up with anything that will make "Sense" about it.

[Dora]

The flight also took off 2 hours EARLIER than the scheduled departure time. I worked in the aviation industry for 10 years, never had that happen. It is not common!

[jerry]

out with the old in with the new (conspiracy theories ) Asia missing airline found

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30634081

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Yeah, but the "wreckage" is a big distance away from the last known position, and almost back in the opposite direction they were supposedly heading

8 meter per second currents would carry everything a long ways...

the currents in this area are driven by monsoon weather patterns and they flew into a storm... so I'm sure it is hard to predict...

Solution is simple: with our incredible missile knowledge that can knock a gnat off a monkeys butt from 5000 miles away, I'm sure they must have a cheap way to launch one into an area a plane is missing that would explode outward into thousands of tiny floater beacons on GPS to get exact direction immediate searches should be done...

each of them, could have a call home feature so a survivor could grab it and send a rescue signal...

but no, let's just keep worrying about saving those monkeys...

oh God of Warmongers please smack them upside the head with a frozen fish to get an idea for a quick humanitarian need, bean counters will be happy it's cheaper than maintenance on 50 year old planes...

[KiwiElf]

Yeah I agree - the initial "map" we were shown (between loss of contact versus actual crash debris) was a bit exaggerated (more like 40 miles distant instead of just 6 miles). Still a lot of unanswered questions with this one me thinks.

[SilentFeathers]

Interesting to say the least.... (from Dahboo7)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CKVoL0HOBUg

ADDED:

another interesting tidbit for numerology purposes....

MH17, MH370, and QZ8501

17+370+8501=8888

[jackovesk]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Interesting to say the least.... (from Dahboo7)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CKVoL0HOBUg

ADDED:

another interesting tidbit for numerology purposes....

MH17, MH370, and QZ8501

17+370+8501=8888

8888 = ((Beginnings & Endings))...

The Question is...

For Whom...

[syrwong]

Posted by Tesseract (here)
There has been a report that debris that looks like a 'plane door and emergency slide' has been sighted, and in addition to that there are a couple of other debris finds. Hopefully there will soon be confirmation that this is indeed the wreckage.

I have also read that radar did in fact detect the plane begin a rapid altitude descent shortly after the last transmission, but I don't have a credible link to that at the current moment. If true, this clears up one of the things that was puzzling about this case.

Link:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-3...ch-res/5992600

The aircraft made an unbelievable steep ascend before disappearing on the radar, report by Scientific America.

"So far, the numbers taken by the radar are unbelievably high. This rate of climb is very high, too high. It appears to be beyond the performance envelope of the aircraft," he said.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...airasia-crash/

This conflicts with the report that the plane made rapid descend before disappearing. I think reports were too scanty. I did not see more than a few seconds of search video on the news. As with MH370, where is the black box? Why did the black boxes function so poorly? Wouldn't an amateur beacon signal from a shipwreck survivor be immediately detected and rescue arriving within short time?

[KiwiElf]

First, a MSM update which perhaps raises more questions than answers. Notably, some of the passengers have been found still fastened to their seats, and Veteran's Today's take on it follows, citing at one point, a 10,000+ fpm (feet per minute) ascent before losing contact. This unprecedented sudden climb should have been known immediately after the plane was declared missing. Like MH-370, I find it strange that only now is this information being released. (An airliners usual climb rate would be possibly 2,500 - 3,000 fpm climb after takeoff, reducing to 1,000 - 1,800 fpm at higher altitudes.

This "updraft" is both severe and almost unheard of. If the aircraft then stalled (quite likely), a tremendously high descent rate is not unheard of... (In April last year, I detailed the mysterious crash of 2-Degrees CEO's Beechcraft Baron, a small 6-seat twin-engine aircraft which literally fell 18,000 feet in less than 3 minutes, crashing into the sea - final air crash report still pending.) - KE

Searchers hopeful in AirAsia search
By Adek Berry, AFP Updated January 2, 2015, 10:06 pm

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/...airasia-plane/

Indonesian recovery teams have narrowed down the search area for AirAsia Flight 8501, hopeful they are closing in on the plane's crash site.

A total of 16 bodies and more debris have been recovered from the sea.

French and Singaporean investigators with equipment for detecting the signal from the plane's black boxes are set to join the hunt for the Airbus A320-200, which disappeared from radar during a storm Sunday en route from Indonesia's second city of Surabaya to Singapore.

The plane crashed in the shallow waters of the Java Sea off Borneo but rough weather and high seas have hampered the search for the fuselage and the bodies of the 162 passengers and crew.

Search and rescue agency chief Bambang Soelistyo said Friday's search was focused on an area of 1,575 nautical square miles, with 29 ships and 17 aircraft engaged in the operation.

"There are two main tasks in this priority sector: First, to locate the biggest part of the plane's body.

"The second task is to find the position of the black boxes, or flight recorders, which will be carried out by the KNKT (National Transport Safety committee) which start working today," he told a press conference.

"Divers are already on standby at the navy ship Banda Aceh to dive on that priority area to locate the body of the plane," he said.

"I hope we'll get a significant result today."

Another search official, S.B. Supriyadi, said the bodies and debris recovered so far had been found within a relatively small area, which indicated the fuselage was likely nearby.

"We found parts of the plane which could be part of the wing or the plane's interior," he said on local television channel MetroTV, displaying a white wooden structure about 1.5 by 1 metres with part of a corrugated hose attached.

Former transport minister Jusman Syafii Djamal said it appeared to be part of a wing flap.

Supriyadi told MetroTV that they had also detected a metal structure but it proved to be a false lead, possibly a sunken ship.

There are dozens of shipwrecks in the Java Sea, both modern and from World War II when the area was the scene of a major naval battle between the Allies and the invading Japanese.

Supriyadi said weather had improved to allow the use of helicopters as well as ships in the search.

"Besides the aerial search, we'll concentrate on searching for the fuselage using sonar detectors," he said.

"Hopefully we'll be able to locate it so that the victims will be immediately retrieved and brought to their families."

Relatives held the first funeral for an AirAsia victim Thursday afternoon after her body was handed over to her family in Surabaya.

Police said she was identified as Hayati Lutfiah Hami from fingerprints and a surgery scar, plus an ID and a bracelet.

A crisis centre for identifying the victims has been set up at a police hospital in Surabaya with facilities to store 150 bodies.

Police said they would be using fingerprints, dental records and DNA to identify victims. Visual identification is likely to become difficult the longer the bodies remain in the tropical sea.

The plane is believed to be in relatively shallow water of around 25-32 metres.

Before take off, the pilot had asked for permission to fly at a higher altitude to avoid a storm. But his request was not approved due to other planes above him on the popular route, according to AirNav, Indonesia's air traffic control.

In his last communication, Captain Iriyanto, an experienced former air force pilot, said he wanted to change course to avoid the menacing storm system.

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Air Asia jet “thrust down by giant hand” …of Zionism?

Posted by Kevin Barrett on January 2, 2015

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/02/air-asia/

Malaysian airliners are falling as if thrust by a giant hand

"Fasten your seat belts, Zionist turbulence ahead"

Jim Fetzer and I covered “Malaysian tribunal finds Israel guilty of genocide, three Malaysian planes fall from the sky” during our “Biggest False Flag Stories of 2014″ wrap-up on False Flag Weekly News:

Malaysia is a nation of moderate size. It is the sixty-eighth largest country in geographical area and ranks forty-fourth in population.

What are the odds that three of its passenger airliners would fall out of the sky – all under mysterious, even bizarre circumstances – in one year?

If you don’t see anything suspicious in what happened to Malaysian Flight 370, Malaysian Flight 17, and Air Asia QZ8501 in 2014, you must be a coincidence theorist. Such people, psychologists are discovering, have serious issues engaging with reality. (For details, read my latest Press TV article “Are People Who Hate Conspiracy Theories Crazy?“)

MH370, you recall, flat-out disappeared without a trace last March. Such things are simply not possible given today’s satellite surveillance systems. Yet the corporate media has just let it go, instead of calling the official liars on their lies.

MH17 was shot down on 7/17 – the sort of numerological signature some people attribute to illuminati psychopaths, but let’s not get into that. The MH17 shootdown appears to have been a false-flag operation by the Ukrainian military, whose bosses are Zionist billionaires. The obvious motive was to demonize Putin – or possibly even assassinate him. As in the case of MH370, big media has parroted Western government lies about the event.

Now Air Asia QZ8501 has supposedly “crashed due to bad weather.” Unlike the Sen. Paul Wellstone plane crash, where the controlled corporate media invented a lie about bad weather when in fact the weather was fine, the Air Asia crash actually did happen in proximity to a storm.

But what are the odds that, of all of the world’s airliners, another MALAYSIAN one would be the only one allegedly brought down by a storm? Bad weather, by itself, virtually never causes large airliner crashes.

And this storm, we are told, did things that storms have never before been known to do. According to the Daily Mail’s story Stricken AirAsia plane soared ‘as fast as a fighter jet’ and then dropped almost vertically into Java Sea as if being thrust down by a giant hand, crash experts revealed today:

“The plane behaved in ways ‘bordering on the edge of logic, ’ Indonesian aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman said after examining figures leaked from the official air crash investigation team.”

According to Indonesian aviation sources, Air Asia QZ8501 climbed at a rate of up to 9,000 feet per minute, then descended virtually straight down with bursts up to 24,000 feet per minute before slamming into the ocean.

Meanwhile another Indonesian expert tells us that the plane managed a soft “emergency landing”!

“Mr Sudibyo said that emergency locator transmitters on board the aircraft would be set to go off after automatically after a heavy impact. Because these is no evidence these devices triggered, he claims, the pane (sic) must have landed safely.”

Let me get this straight: The plane soared upward at fighter jet speed, then turned straight downward and plunged vertically into the ocean…somehow managing a soft vertical landing! As the pointy-eared logician Mr. Spock used to say, this does not compute.

As I write this, those of us without access to inside information have no way of knowing what really happened to Air Asia QZ8501. But we are justified in wondering whether the three Malaysian airliners annihilated under suspicious circumstances in 2014 were thrust down by the the giant hand of Zionism.

In late 2013, the Kuala Lumpur Tribunal, located in the capital of Malaysia, found Israel guilty of genocide. A few months later, one Malaysian airliner mysteriously fell out of the sky. A few months after that, a second one followed. And a few more months later, a third.

Israel has a track record of not getting mad, but getting even. In summer 2011, the Norwegian AUF (the Labor Party’s youth movement) was poised to have Norway’s government impose a complete unilateral economic embargo on Israel. This would have been an even bigger anti-Zionist breakthrough than the Kuala Lumpur Tribunal’s genocide prosecution of Israel in November 2013.

Norway’s anti-Israel embargo never materialized. The project was pre-empted when the entire leadership of the AUF was slaughtered, allegedly by lone Zionist nut Anders Breivik.

Zionist-controlled Wikipedia opens its “2011 Norway attacks” entry as follows:

“The 2011 Norway attacks were two sequential lone wolf terrorist attacks against the government, the civilian population, and a Workers’ Youth League (AUF)-run summer camp in the Oslo region on 22 July 2011, claiming a total of 77 lives.”

All those elevens, like those in 9/11, 11/22, and so on, are probably just a coincidence.

That Norway massacre of 11/22/11 that claimed 77 lives has been definitively pinned on Israel.

See: Norway Stood, Israel Murdered their Kids

Are Malaysians – like Norwegians – being punished for the crime of seeking justice for the Palestinians? Are the Zionist thugs sending a message: “This is what happens to any country that dares challenge us?”

Assuming this to be the case, isn’t it long past time that all nations victimized by Zionist terrorism…including the USA, which lost 34 sailors in Israel’s deliberate attack on the USS Liberty, and nearly 3,000 people in Israel’s equally deliberate attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon…rise up and put the Zionist entity out of business?

About Author
Kevin Barrett
Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist, is one of America’s best-known critics of the War on Terror.

Dr. Barrett has appeared many times on Fox, CNN, PBS and other broadcast outlets, and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications.

Dr. Barrett has taught at colleges and universities in San Francisco, Paris, and Wisconsin, where he ran for Congress in 2008. He currently works as a nonprofit organizer, author, and talk radio host.

[Sophocles]

PANGKALAN BUN (REUTERS) - Indonesia search and rescue teams hunting for the wreck of an AirAsia passenger jet have detected pings in their efforts to find the black box recorders, Santoso Sayogo, an investigator at the National Transportation Safety Committee, told Reuters on Friday.

Link: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asi...s-detected-sea

[KiwiElf]

Indonesia divers find black box of AirAsia plane: ministry
AFP Updated January 12, 2015, 2:55 am

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-st...lane-ministry/

Indonesian divers have found the crucial black box flight recorders of the AirAsia plane that crashed in the Java Sea a fortnight ago with 162 people aboard, the transport ministry said.

But they failed to retrieve it immediately from the seabed because it was stuck under debris from the main body of the plane, the ministry added.

"The navy divers in Jadayat state boat have succeeded in finding a very important instrument, the black box of AirAsia QZ8501," said Tonny Budiono, a senior ministry official.

The recorders were at a depth of 30-32 metres (99-106 feet), he said in a statement.

Divers will on Monday try to shift the position of the wreckage to access the black box.

"However, if this effort fails, then the team will lift part of the main body using the same balloon technique used earlier to lift the tail," Budiono added.

After a frustrating two-week search often hampered by bad weather, officials earlier Sunday raised hopes by reporting that strong ping signals had been detected by three vessels involved in the search.

Those signals were coming from the seabed less than one kilometre (0.6 miles) from where the tail of the plane was found, Malaysian Navy chief Abdul Aziz Jaafar said in a post on Twitter. Malaysia's Navy is helping in the search.

The Indonesian meteorological agency has said stormy weather likely caused the Airbus A320-200 to crash as it flew from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore on December 28.

But a definitive answer is impossible without the black box, which should contain the pilots' final words as well as various flight data.


- 48 bodies found -

S.B. Supriyadi, a director with the National Search and Rescue Agency, told reporters earlier in the day that an object believed to be the plane's main body had also been detected near the source of the pings.

The search, which has involved US, Chinese and other international naval ships, has recovered 48 bodies so far.

Supriyadi said many bodies were believed trapped in the cabin, so reaching that part of the wreckage was also a top priority.

The tail of the plane, with its red AirAsia logo, was lifted out of the water on Saturday using giant balloons and a crane.

It was brought by tugboat on Sunday to a port near the search headquarters, at Pangkalan Bun town on Borneo island.

All but seven of those on board the flight were Indonesian.

The bodies of a South Korean couple were identified on Sunday, but their 11-month-old baby remains unaccounted for, Indonesian authorities said.

The other foreigners were one Singaporean, one Malaysian, one Briton and a Frenchman -- co-pilot Remi Plesel. Their bodies have not been recovered.

While the cause of the crash is unknown, the disaster has once again placed Indonesia's chaotic aviation industry under scrutiny.

Indonesian officials have alleged Indonesia AirAsia did not have a licence to fly the route on the day of the crash, although the airline rejects the claim.

Indonesia's transport ministry quickly banned AirAsia from flying the Surabaya-Singapore route.

On Friday it suspended dozens more routes operated by five other domestic airlines for similar licence violations.

[KiwiElf]

Divers retrieve crashed AirAsia jet's cockpit voice recorder

By Charlotte Greenfield and Nilufar Rizki
JAKARTA Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:51am EST

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KG09L20150113

(Reuters) - Indonesian divers pulled out the cockpit voice recorder from the sunken wreckage of an AirAsia passenger jet on Tuesday, a key step towards determining the cause of the crash that killed all 162 people aboard.

Indonesia AirAsia's Flight QZ8501 lost contact with air traffic control in bad weather on Dec. 28, less than halfway into a two-hour flight from Indonesia's second-biggest city of Surabaya to Singapore.

The cockpit voice recorder, which retains the last two hours of conversation between the pilots and with air traffic controllers, was found close to where the flight data recorder was recovered from the bottom of the Java Sea on Monday.

"Today we have completed searching for the main things that we have been looking for," Rear Admiral Widodo, the commander of the navy's western fleet, told reporters after handing over the cockpit voice recorder to investigators.

"But the team will still try to find the body of the plane in case there are still bodies inside."

Together the black boxes, which are actually orange, contain a wealth of data that will be crucial for investigators piecing together the sequence of events that led to the Airbus A320-200 plunging into the sea.

The cockpit voice recorder is expected to be sent to the capital, Jakarta, for analysis.

Investigators may need up to a month to get a complete reading of the data.

CALMER WEATHER

The AirAsia group's first fatal accident took place more than two weeks ago, but wind, high waves and strong currents have slowed efforts to recover bodies and wreckage from the shallow waters off Borneo island.

Dozens of Indonesian navy divers took advantage of calmer weather this week to retrieve the black boxes and now hope to find the fuselage of the Airbus.

Forty-eight bodies have been plucked from the Java Sea and brought to Surabaya for identification. Searchers believe more bodies will be found in the plane's fuselage.

Government officials sought to reassure victims' families that divers would continue to search for bodies.

"Our main task is to find the victims," Fransiskus Bambang Soelistyo, head of the National Search and Rescue Agency, told reporters in Jakarta before heading to Surabaya to meet families of the victims.

"Even if both (black boxes) are found, it doesn't mean that our operation is over."

Relatives of the victims urged authorities to continue to search for the remains of their loved ones.

"Even if the search has to last for a month, we are still hoping to find them," said Lioni, who lost four family members in the plane crash. "If they can find even one (of my family members), we would feel a little bit relieved."

Video at Link - Second black box found in AirAsia crash


(Additional reporting by Fergus Jensen and Eveline Danubrata in JAKARTA, Kanupriya Kapoor in PANGKALAN BUN, and Fransiska Nangoy in SURABAYA; Writing by Randy Fabi; Editing by Alex Richardson)

[ParakeetMGP]

I've been "Waiting" "Looking" "Didn't they find the Black Boxes last Week?" And? What was the "Outcome?"

[ParakeetMGP]

All I got a couple days ago is News that didn't make "Sense" It climbed steeply and then? (Instead of Detail) "Crashed" (No Detail!) What's with this? How does climbing just make it "Crash" what made it "Climb"? I'm "Tired" of having "Questions" a whole year on similar stuff and still "Waiting" for "Answers"!

[KiwiElf]

ParakeetMGP - it can take weeks, months or years for Aircraft Crash Reports to be thoroughly investigated and released. As they haven't yet recovered the whole plane, it could be some time before any conclusions are made public. If a definitive cause (s) can't be found, the usual result is the "pilots lost control" of the aircraft with other contributing factors.

The sudden climb rate (of 6,000+ feet per minute) is 3-4 times higher than would be considered "normal". This would result in a stall (the airplane is no longer creating lift) and it literally drops like a stone. This was likely caused by the severe turbulence of the storms the aircraft was flying through at the time. Combine that with sudden icing, air traffic control not allowing an increase in altitude, and perhaps the high growth (and high traffic) and relative way of handling "situations" to be different from more experienced airlines in the Western world, (ie more reliance on technology instead of hands-on flying), ... not to mention more "freaky" weather conditions, and this sort of event will happen more frequently.

Try using Google to find some more information. Other than various alarms were going off (including the stall warning), not much else in the way of information has yet been released. They have stated that there is nothing (yet) to indicate a terrorist attack (ie a bomb).

[KiwiElf]

Indonesia struggles to retrieve AirAsia fuselage
AFP January 26, 2015, 1:12 am

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/...asia-fuselage/

Jakarta (AFP) - Indonesian salvage teams failed again Sunday to retrieve the fuselage of AirAsia Flight 8501 from the seabed after a sling snapped during a sudden change in the weather, officials said.

In the past two days the teams have been using giant inflatable bags to raise the fuselage, which lies in the Java Sea at a depth of around 30 metres (98 ft), to make it easier to find bodies believed trapped inside.

On Sunday they managed to lift the fuselage to the surface for only two minutes before the sling snapped, a navy official overseeing the search and rescue operation told AFP.

"We managed to float (the fuselage) and we were about to move it to the tugboat when the rope snapped due to an extreme change in the weather," Rear Admiral Widodo, who goes by one name, told AFP.

One body came out of the fuselage before it fell back to the seabed.

A total of 70 bodies have been found so far, search and rescue official S. B. Supriyadi said.

The crashed jet's black boxes -- the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder -- have been recovered and investigators are analysing them.

Flight QZ8501 went down on December 28 in stormy weather, during what was supposed to be a short trip from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore. There were 162 people on board.

Indonesian Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan said last week that the plane climbed abnormally fast before stalling and plunging into the sea.

Just moments before it disappeared off the radar, the pilot had asked to climb to avoid a major storm but was not immediately granted permission due to heavy air traffic.