Re Kevin Annett ~ another conversation

[East Sun]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Alfred will now come under intense attack on multiple fronts.

I have a very, very close friend and sistersoul who has known Kevin for over 20 years and has been at active warfare against him for the larger part of that time. Who knows him very well. As in, close association and support, slow, gradual revelation kind of 'hey, I see this person for what he truly is' kind of knowing. She has been fighting against him and has had her family literally destroyed as well as her good name.

This friend of mine is married to a man who is very well known in the native community in this country. She has been an outspoken advocate for native issues over decades.

She has seen people destroyed economically, mentally, socially around this battle and this man. I spoke out on a thread back when he first created the ITCCS but it is long buried. Since then I generally stay away from ITCCS threads here but I like Alfred also. I hate to see this happen but he put himself in this position. If anybody can garner the support necessary it is him. He will need it.

That is good to know, as I and many others were fooled by him. It goes to show how we can be deceived into supporting the deceiver. It all sounded legit, and horrible things were done to kids and adults, but if we are in the time of the end, and I hope we are, there will be a reckoning.

It seems like too much to ask for, that we will see justice come to pass, but it really could happen.

Hope we are finally into a positive time line.

[onawah]

My gut feeling about Annett was always that he is somehow insincere.
I did not know that he is was a Jesuit, but that helps to explain my feeling.
The Jesuits have always been extremely subtle in their machinations; I think they are masters of deception, indeed.
Alfred Webre may not be perfect, but I have always felt that he is sincere.
Annett has drawn the lines, so be it. If we have to choose sides, I will choose Webre's.

[Mark]

I read that post by Kevin addressing this issue that someone put up on the first page of this thread. Difficult to read. First, when someone writes the way he does, with all kinds of subliminal aggression and implications, underlying threats semi-masked by a facade of sincerity and innocence, uses so many descriptive terms, writing to appeal to the emotional rather than rational side of his readers, my alarms go off.

I can tell you all the name of my friend. She is not hidden and her life has been a matter of public record. Her name is Lydia Hersloff Whitecalf. Her husband is Royce Whitecalf, a prominent NDN activist currently residing at Pine Ridge, and together they have been through the ringer behind association with Kevin. You can google them to find out who they are if you do not already know, but their experiences with Kevin are legion and, again, very personal going back a long way. She has been subjected to public smears in a very deliberate manner and yet she has overcome them all. Still, the negative hits are the ones that come up on google first. Many of them are shill-driven, and others are made by people who do not know her personally and perhaps resent the fact that she is a white woman married to such a prominent icon of the Native American movement.

I know her. I love her and trust her. I accept her truth as my own in this matter.

[Flash]

East Sun - first, happy Christmas

As per one of your post East Sun: Second: this is not all people who went to Jesuit schools that are rotten to the core, please do not generalise. In Catholic world, Jesuit are often the teacher of boy school where you learn the classical studies such as latin (the basis for all latin languages, once you know latin you learn all other latin based languages very easily), aristotle, etc. It has nothing to do with the organised corruption of the Vatican. However, they would educate people who got to be lawers and md etc. Thinking that all those who studied Under the Jesuits or any other religious group, from latino countries (hispanic, French, Italian Portuguese, etc. languages) are crooks and judging based on that is like well.... i dare saying a form of racism (I have a few friends who studied Under the Jesuits and they are far from being crooks or corrupted - on the contrary, plus they have a wider world reference and knowledge of the classical greek and latins which allows for more critical thinking than the average).

Second, ARC, I vote for your option 4.

Finally, I am fed up with the destruction and caractere blasting existing on the alternative media. When looking for the truth, i do not want opinions, but I want the truth. In fighting is not the truth !!!!

Finally, I received a lawyer letter myself for having said on Facebook to a friend that an author was an idea thief and content thief, which he is, having stolen my writings, however, he was right in one thing, if I do not show the hard evidences, I better shut up and just say it is an opinion, otherwise, it is on me that it does not look good ... not on him.

[onawah]

Post deleted by me.

[Flash]

Your are right Onawah, it was not rakhyt but East Sun post, can you please therefore erase my reference, i did change my own post. thanks

Now, for the Jesuits, in Québec, most old generation notables and educated lawyers, doctors, scientists, accountants, etc had high school with Jesuits. The Jesuits were very prominent boys schools teachers. However, Not many of these got corrupted the ways the Vatican has.

And here, i have the taste to get a bit nasty: the proof of what I said is not in the pudding lol, otherwise, Pierre Elliott Trudeau and most French canadian that got into high level politics would have been corrupted, since they were Jesuit trained lol

[Mark]

Everybody must use their own discernment. Truths vary depending upon the person.

[Flash]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Everybody must use their own discernment. Truths vary depending upon the person.

Yes i realised my mistake thanks to Onawah and did change my post and asked her to change hers. It was East Sun who mentioned the Jesuits. Truly sorry here.

[Aspen]

of the possibilities that Arc lists, I think #1 is the most likely. I think Alfred is more trustworthy. I have heard for years that many of the First Nations communities have not appreciated Annett's approach and have felt used. But I didn't realize to what extent.

Also to Larry, regarding the exposure of the man's legs in the video - it could be explained by the fact that he is probably wearing a kilt. A Scottish kilt. Many aboriginal people are a mixture of European and aboriginal ancestry and are proud of both.

[onawah]

Flash, I do not see where East Sun or anyone said that anyone who has attended Jesuit schools are crooks, rotten to the core.
Was that on a different thread?
I am just hoping to encourage clarity on this thread, as I think it's an important subject.
Thanks.

[Flash]

Posted by onawah (here)
Flash, I do not see where East Sun or anyone said that anyone who has attended Jesuit schools are crooks, rotten to the core.
Was that on a different thread?
I am just hoping to encourage clarity on this thread, as I think it's an important subject.
Thanks.

East Sun post:

Well, this has been an interesting and reveling few hours. At first a I could not believe that someone I thought was a "white hat" that was almost a hero in my mind was criticizing another person that I really admire. There are few that I put into high regard s0 I was perplexed to say the least. Now I think I see what's what.

I just finished watching the hour long video of Alfred Webre explaining where he stands re: Kevin Annette and the ITCC........ Earlier I watched the Kevin Annette tape of his criticism of Alfred Webre.

I hold Alfred in high esteem as I have watched literally dozens of his interviews with all sorts of people and read his book on the Omniverse. He has been a judge or still may be.

To keep this short he has exposed Kevin Annette for all to see. Judge for yourself.
As soon as I heard that Annette had Jesuit training bells went off. Let me explain.
Having read a study of the Jesuits and how they are not religious but an army. Their leader is a General, that is his title. They have been thrown out of many countries for causing division between the people to further their own cause. They have taken up arms and killed, to do the same. They are the epitome of deception and evil. I would not say that if I did not have good cause. I will give the name of a well documented book on the Jesuits to anyone who is genuinely interested.

And lastly, 'pope' Francis is a Jesuit. The society of Jesus=anti Jesus would be more appropriate. As I always say, I'm just a messenger.

First: Now, Kevin Annett being the bad guy in this post above
Second: the description of what Jesuits are , as an army of the dark side (killed etc)
Third: Pope Francis anti-jésus etc.
Fourth: the comment

As soon as I heard that Annette had Jesuit training bells went off.

i understand that East Sun made an extrapolation about Jesuits vs kids that have been Trained by Jesuits, and put them in all the same group/category, suspicious bell ringing as soon as you mention Jesuit schools.

Therefore, I understood that East Sun was somewhat misled when generalising this way most probably (my deduction here) because of a lack of understanding of the latin catholic cultures and structures.

Consequently, those where my reasons for explaining that in latin cultures, jesuits have trained hundred of thousands of kids. They were good schools and parents would send their kids preferably in these schools first, then other congrégations would follow as second and third choices. The Anglo world is not aware of this and surely not the Asian world either.

Therefore, being from a Jesuit school does not mean much, except that you have done classical studies, know about Homer and Archimed and Aristotle and others and learned the latin language (root of all latin languages) and have been trained somewhat into critical thinking, which is horrendously lacking these days. But it does not mean that you are as corrupt to the core as the Vatican is.

In conclusion, this should not be held against Kevin Annett or anybody else - mostly if one does not know the impact of Jesuits in some cultures - but anything against Annett should be from root knowledge of facts, not presumption of education into any kind of regular school of these societies.

By the way, I am from one of these societies, French speaking, Catholic background, and my actual sweetheart has been to one of these schools, yet, far but very far from corrupted - but strong critical thinking skills. Just to give here one example of what I am talking about.

Is it clearer now Onawah?

Now, back to topic because I think the Jesuit stuff is only a side track item distracting from the main topics.

[onawah]

I don't mean to detract from the main topic, either, but again, for the sake of clarity, there was no accusation that I have seen made against students who have attended Jesuit schools, it was just the Jesuits themselves who have been criticized for their policies.
...Which have shaped the Vatican to a great extent, and we do agree, at least, that the Vatican is corrupt, and so I think it is fairly safe to assume that the Jesuits are in some part responsible for that...
I don't see anywhere that they were put in the same category except in your own post, Flash, and I do not mean to be argumentative, just clear.

[Flash]

I stand by my 2 last posts directed at East Sun and all those that may misinterpret having been in a school directed by any congregation and or by the Jesuit, as being not worthy of trust.

My message: base your evaluation on something else because having been in a Jesuit school does not hold the road and having been a Jesuit either.

Period, end of story

And love to all

[onawah]

East Sun's post # 16 is where he stated that Annett was Jesuit trained.
From this, I mistakenly gathered that he was actually a Jesuit, but looking back, I see that "Jesuit trained" is not the same thing.
Nor is "Jesuit trained" necessarily the same thing as being educated in a Jesuit school.
So there was confusion caused by drawing different conclusions there.
But to my mind, being "Jesuit trained" implies more than just having attended a Jesuit school as an ordinary student...

Doing a brief search, I saw no evidence that Annett was in fact a Jesuit.
But judging from the way in which he attacked Webre, while claiming he was not attacking him, made me think about what Rahkyt was describing in his post about Annett's behavior, in that it features trademarks of Jesuit tactics, which can be clever, deceptive and manipulative.

And East Sun referred to a book in which such tactics that the Jesuits employ are described.
It might be helpful if East Sun would give us the title of that book, and a link, if there is one.

My reason for suspecting the possibility that Annett is indeed working along Jesuits lines is for the same reasons that I don't trust Pope Francis, and think his real purpose may simply be obfuscation, deflection, and at best, a very bland sort of amelioration, designed to hold off the worst criticisms and retributions against the Vatican and the Jesuits who have ruled the Vatican from behind the throne for centuries.

It is absolutely true that having been educated in a Jesuit school does not mean one is corrupt, nor does being "Jesuit trained", but when we don't have all the facts, then we have to connect the dots, which is a lot of what we do here on Avalon, as well as, hopefully, develop discernment beyond mere opinion, and refine our intuition.
That might not be the same as having all the facts, but those tools are what we have to work with.

[East Sun]

Posted by Flash (here)
I stand by my 2 last posts directed at East Sun and all those that may misinterpret having been in a school directed by any congregation and or by the Jesuit, as being not worthy of trust.

My message: base your evaluation on something else because having been in a Jesuit school does not hold the road and having been a Jesuit either.

Period, end of story

And love to all

First, Flash, I suggest that you go back and read my posts again and keep reading them until you fully understand what I said. Then come back and apologize for your
errors.

Onawah made it perfectly clear to you where you erred but you still had a problem.
I understand that English is not your first language but please try to get your facts?
straight.

[East Sun]

Posted by onawah (here)
East Sun's post # 16 is where he stated that Annett was Jesuit trained.
From this, I mistakenly gathered that he was actually a Jesuit, but looking back, I see that "Jesuit trained" is not the same thing.
Nor is "Jesuit trained" necessarily the same thing as being educated in a Jesuit school.
So there was confusion caused by drawing different conclusions there.
But to my mind, being "Jesuit trained" implies more than just having attended a Jesuit school as an ordinary student...

Doing a brief search, I saw no evidence that Annett was in fact a Jesuit.
But judging from the way in which he attacked Webre, while claiming he was not attacking him, made me think about what Rahkyt was describing in his post about Annett's behavior, in that it features trademarks of Jesuit tactics, which can be clever, deceptive and manipulative.

And East Sun referred to a book in which such tactics that the Jesuits employ are described.
It might be helpful if East Sun would give us the title of that book, and a link, if there is one.

My reason for suspecting the possibility that Annett is indeed working along Jesuits lines is for the same reasons that I don't trust Pope Francis, and think his real purpose may simply be obfuscation, deflection, and at best, a very bland sort of amelioration, designed to hold off the worst criticisms and retributions against the Vatican and the Jesuits who have ruled the Vatican from behind the throne for centuries.

It is absolutely true that having been educated in a Jesuit school does not mean one is corrupt, nor does being "Jesuit trained", but when we don't have all the facts, then we have to connect the dots, which is a lot of what we do here on Avalon, as well as, hopefully, develop discernment beyond mere opinion, and refine our intuition.
That might not be the same as having all the facts, but those tools are what we have to work with.

Onawah,

Thank you for straightening out the problem of my post being misconstrued by Flash, because I almost misses this followup.

I'm glad you asked for the title of the book I cited. It is called 'Vatican Assassins'
written by Eric Phelps. It is a very well documented book of about 1,000 pages if I
remember correctly. I read it a few years ago.

It tells all you would ever want know about the Jesuits.

When I said that Annette was Jesuit 'trained' that is precisely what I had heard from
Alfred L. Webre. and what I conveyed in my post.

Thanks again for being on the ball and making things clear to all.

ES

[onawah]

East Sun, do you have any documentation backing Webre's claim that Annett was Jesuit trained? Thank you.
I was not taking sides, by the way.
Flash had some good points to make as well.
I'm just interested in learning the truth, which usually happens more easily if we don't create polarity among ourselves.

[East Sun]

Onawah,

On Dec. 23 on this thread Alfred Webre did a video. Near the end at around 24:? min. he mentioned Annette having Jesuit training, but now I noticed that it was six months.

Please check out the book. I downloaded it years ago so can't give you any more info at the moment but I will see if I can find it. In a rush now.....

Sorry, I had to rush away...I did not think you were taking sides,
just clarifying things.
So, thanks for that.

I do not have the book just now as it is at another location where I will not be until sometime in March and I don't remember the publisher name. It is not easy to get I think, but I will try to let you know, if you care to remind me, if you have no luck locating it.

ES

[onawah]

I found this site for Eric Phelps and Vatican Assassins:
http://vaticanassassins.org/
And it's here in pdf form: http://www.ivantic.net/Ostale_knjiig...0Assassins.pdf

[Aspen]

Here is a new post by Webre regarding a legal protection from Annett. http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peacein...ard-et-al.html

Also, I listened to an interview of Annet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R4Z6R9G6Wag

in which he is given the chance to defend himself and instead, attacks Alfred, accusing him of being mentally ill and threatens him at least twice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Z6R9G6Wag He also used the pity argument, saying how could anyone accuse him of being a fake after all he has suffered, . . . . very poor arguments.

I was shocked and very disappointed at this falling out between Kevin and Alfred. Hopefully the fight to protect children and women from human trafficking, from pedophile rings and ritual abuse is going to be positively impacted by this in the long run . . . .