Charlie Hebdo shooting: eleven dead at Paris offices of satirical magazine

[Jean-Luc]

Sociologist & author Jean-Claude Paye publishes this opinion in Belgian MSM about the 'petrifying nonsense' of the recovered ID card:

http://www.lalibre.be/debats/opinion...703897f82fc246 (in French).

Two short excerpts (approximate translation of a somewhat elaborate phraseology):

Since 11/9 the improbable is part of our everyday life. It has become the foundation of truth. Reason is banned. It is not about believing what is said, but about the voice that speaks, whatever the nonsense of what is uttered. The more this nonsense becomes evident, the more the faith in what is asserted becomes unwavering. The impossible becomes the measure and the guarantee of truth.

In all cases, the 'derealizing' character of what is presented puts us in amazement. As the eyes of the Gorgon, it petrifies us. It shows us that something is wrong with the speech. It exhibits a flaw that does not have the effect of misleading us, but of splitting us up. The viewer can then only regain a semblance of unity through adhering even more to what is stated.

[MorningFox]

Turkish president accuses 'the West' of being behind Charlie Hebdo attacks and deliberately 'blaming Muslims' as conspiracy theories sweep the Internet accusing Israel of orchestrating it

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rating-it.html

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
Turkish president accuses 'the West' of being behind Charlie Hebdo attacks and deliberately 'blaming Muslims' as conspiracy theories sweep the Internet accusing Israel of orchestrating it

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rating-it.html

This is also a huge thing IMO, especially considering Turkey is a NATO country and what has been going on with Russia recently....there's a lot more going on right now that is not just up front and center for sure...Turkey seems to be sliding right in to Putin's side pocket so to speak.

PERHAPS???????????????????

Russia Sends France Formal Inquiry on Non-Delivery of Mistral Warship

[araucaria]

Le Canard Enchaîné, which is a much more mainstream satirical weekly than Charlie Hebdo (you occasionally find members reading it in Parliament to catch up on the political gossip or scandals that don’t get into the other papers), and to which Cabu was a regular contributor (i.e. every week for over thirty years), has received threats to effect that it is next to be hacked to pieces. For various reasons I doubt if this is going to happen.
http://www.ouest-france.fr/charlie-h...chaine-3111063

One interesting snippet from today’s issue: reports of Sarkozy’s demands to be placed high in the protocol for Sunday’s march. His antics to push to the front would seem to be the result of negotiations that led to some concessions being made, after (quoting Hollande) a ‘burlesque’ phone call to be treated ‘as the copresident’. This made be more than just buffoonery or political manoeuvring. Sarkozy never got over not being still in charge and his wife sings snide songs about the ‘penguin’ (Hollande). In some ways, he is still in charge, for example by leaving some of his men behind among the Elysée Palace security personnel, effectively as spies. These were fired only recently after photos of Hollande’s new love interest were leaked to the press. These are only very small things I know, but they perhaps point to something beyond the friction of oversized egos and personal dislikes.

[M0JFK]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bu_NYL6l4yk

By Stuart J Hooper

[Jean-Luc]

UPDATED *

A proof of an Israeli conducted staged operation?

(Translated from research produced by French NGO Artemisia College
Source : pages 22-23 http://www.artemisia-college.info/_m...-charlie-2.pdf)

11:30 am
The massacre

Exact time to be determined The identity of the two suspected killers, with names, 'quality' of Islamist... is provided

Mid-afternoon
The car was left rue de Meaux. Inside belongings of both brothers, one hood with traces of DNA, and ... the ID card of the elder ... The discovery of this ID card that will be given to explain the extremely fast identification of the designated killers.
http://video.planet.fr/a-la-une-fusi...666.12214.html

Late afternoon
JSS News, pro-Zionist Jewish site in turn provides the identity of the killers, together with their pictures!

19:01
The French police launches an appeal for witnesses with the names and photos of both official killers.

The official version to justify a rapid identification is the discovery of an identity card of one of them (the elder) in the Citroën used by them (NB: for the Hollywood video, another "identical" car was necessarily used in case the two brothers had indeed their own car ...).


At this point, two questions arise:

1) (deleted: further investigation needed)

2) How could investigators in such a serious and sensitive matter, reveal an essential piece of the inquiry, i.e. providing the identity of suspects to the media? From that moment on it was no longer possible to catch the suspects by surprise, nor to arrest them without being almost certain to trigger a fatal shooting, and therefore most likely to have to kill them without being able to arrest them alive for questioning and bringing them to court!

In truth, this attitude of the police is totally improbable. No investigator would ever do such a thing, or he would be immediately severely punished. But in fact the opposite occured: the police was warmly welcomed!

We must therefore admit that either they acted upon orders coming from very high positions of power, or alternatively they were forced to do so after the revelations of Ney and JSS News.

In the latter case, one can wonder whether this ID card was really forgotten (just like the hood), or if it was the only possible justification in order to explain the ultra fast identification

In any case, it is clear that people close to Israeli intelligence, knew the identity of the two brothers, BEFORE the facts perpetrated on January 7, 2015 at 11:30! It is also clear that once these identities had been made public so fast, the authorities were faced with a fait accompli, preventing them from hiding these identities and from arresting the suspect the "soft" way in order to spare their lives in order to allow them to be interrogated and to be brought to justice.

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* Reason for update : mis-match with earlier timing provided based on twitter account of journalist JP Ney (9 hours time lag between Paris & Headquarters of Twitter).

[Hervé]

To go along in the direction of Jean-Luc's Sott.net article, this French movie (2914): Colt 45

... which goes along with this:

© Unknown

Police Commissioner Helric Fredou, Number Two Police Officer of the Regional Service of France's Judicial Police (JP), Limoges, (Haute-Vienne), "committed suicide on the night of Wednesday to Thursday at the police station."

Commissioner Helric Fredou was part of the police investigation into the Charlie Hebdo terror attack.

Moreover, it is worth noting that, according to reports, he committed suicide in his workplace, in his office at the police station.

Full article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/police-...ackout/5424149

Somewhere else in the news, it was also reported that he was the one who discovered his predecessor's suicided body (44 year old, father of 4) a while back (2013/11/18)...

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
.

A proof of an Israeli conducted staged operation?

(Translated from research produced by French ONG Artemisia College
Source : pages 22-23 http://www.artemisia-college.info/_m...-charlie-2.pdf)

11:30 am
The massacre

11:42 am
Ney* publishes the identity of the two suspected killers, with names, 'quality' of Islamist...

*Linked to the Metula News Agency (Mena), he was immersed in the elite infantry unit Khérev-Sabre of the Israeli army, composed mostly of Israeli Druze
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Ney

Mid-afternoon
The car was left rue de Meaux. Inside belongings of both brothers, one hood with traces of DNA, and ... the ID card of the elder ... The discovery of this ID card that will be given to explain the extremely fast identification of the designated killers.
http://video.planet.fr/a-la-une-fusi...666.12214.html

Late afternoon
JSS News, pro-Zionist Jewish site in turn provides the identity of the killers, together with their pictures!

19:01
The French police launches an appeal for witnesses with the names and photos of both official killers.

The official version to justify a rapid identification is the discovery of an identity card of one of them (the elder) in the Citroën used by them (NB: for the Hollywood video, another "identical" car was necessarily used in case the two brothers had indeed their own car ...).


At this point, two questions arise:

1) How could Ney have the identity of the two suspects identified, 12 minutes after the crimes, while only one ID card was found, and only after several hours?

2) How could investigators in such a serious and sensitive matter, reveal an essential piece of the inquiry, i.e. providing the identity of suspects to the media? From that moment on it was no longer possible to catch the suspects by surprise, nor to arrest them without being almost certain to trigger a fatal shooting, and therefore most likely to have to kill them without being able to arrest them alive for questioning and bringing them to court!

In truth, this attitude of the police is totally improbable. No investigator would ever do such a thing, or he would be immediately severely punished. But in fact the opposite occured: the police was warmly welcomed!

We must therefore admit that either they acted upon orders coming from very high positions of power, or alternatively they were forced to do so after the revelations of Ney and JSS News.

In the latter case, one can wonder whether this ID card was really forgotten (just like the hood), or if it was the only possible justification in order to explain the ultra fast identification

In any case, it is clear that people close to Israeli intelligence, knew the identity of the two brothers, BEFORE the facts perpetrated on January 7, 2015 at 11:30! It is also clear that once these identities had been made public so fast, the authorities were faced with a fait accompli, preventing them from hiding these identities and from arresting the suspect the "soft" way in order to spare their lives in order to allow them to be interrogated and to be brought to justice.

Smells a little bit like a rotten tomato huh? 2 weeks before this shooting France voted for a Palestinian Statehood too if my understanding is correct.....could possibly have something to do with it also.

[Sophocles]

"France cracks down on hate speech, sends carrier to Mideast"

Link: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[Jean-Luc]

(Deleted by myself for lack of relevance)

[Jean-Luc]

Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
Sociologist & author Jean-Claude Paye publishes this opinion in Belgian MSM about the 'petrifying nonsense' of the recovered ID card:

http://www.lalibre.be/debats/opinion...703897f82fc246 (in French).

Two short excerpts (approximate translation of a somewhat elaborate phraseology):

Since 11/9 the improbable is part of our everyday life. It has become the foundation of truth. Reason is banned. It is not about believing what is said, but about the voice that speaks, whatever the nonsense of what is uttered. The more this nonsense becomes evident, the more the faith in what is asserted becomes unwavering. The impossible becomes the measure and the guarantee of truth.

In all cases, the 'derealizing' character of what is presented puts us in amazement. As the eyes of the Gorgon, it petrifies us. It shows us that something is wrong with the speech. It exhibits a flaw that does not have the effect of misleading us, but of splitting us up. The viewer can then only regain a semblance of unity through adhering even more to what is stated.

As millions marched on Sunday in France supposedly for the attacked freedom of speech, hypocritical MSM such as Belgian LaLibre.be (that will argue, poor them, they lack staff for moderation) publishes critiques about the official story line, but refrain to open space for readers' comments, when they are wide open elsewhere for secondary subjects.

And funnily enough those articles closed to readers' comments appear in the section DEBATE of the newspaper.

In other words, OK for a little move in this non politically correct (PC) area, to keep alive the illusion of bringing an open, and free, and balanced view...

But don't you idiots ask for anything more or it will be a fake BBC webpage!



Screen copy of today's http://www.lalibre.be/
I put a green mark on those articles open to readers' comments.
Those with a red mark ("Which world after January 11?" and "Questions around the ID card of a terrorist" are closed to comments.
Lovely.

[Hervé]

The Saker's perspective:


Open Letter to the Saker Community and all our friends

Dear friends,

What is happening right now is huge, we are dealing with nothing less than a full-scale "French September 11th", no less. At this point, I am not saying that the French state did it, or even let it happen. But what is certain is that at the very least the French state and the corporate media are making maximal use of the various terrorist murders in France to promote their agenda. We all know what happened the last time around (click here if you forgot).

The house is burning!
For many months now Alain Soral and others have been warning that the French regime is pushing towards a civil war between the Muslim and non-Muslim communities in France and this is exactly what we are seeing, but it is even bigger than France - this is reaching all of Europe now. Considering how my editorial "I am NOT Charlie" was completely misunderstood (or deliberately misinterpreted) I feel the need to specify a few things very clearly and for the record:

First, it does not really matter at this point in time if what we saw in France is a false flag or a case of blow-back just as when a house is burning it matters little who set it on fire, the owner or the neighbor. What matters now is to prevent people from dying in the burning house, only then does it make sense to open an investigation into "who done it". What matters now is that the house is burning.

Second, there is absolutely zero doubt, none whatsoever, that the AngloZionist Empire is behind the "transnational Takfiri infection" of our planet. It all began during the Cold War and the "brilliant" Brzezinski/CIA plan to unleash the crazies against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan. This is when the US literally financed, organized, trained, equipped and, most importantly, federated the Wahabi freaks for the first time. Since, we saw them in action in Chechina, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, Syria, Iraq, and many other places and now we see them "in action" in Paris. Hollande, Sarko and his "unofficial Foreign Minister" Bernard Henri-Levi played a key role in unleashing these monsters against Libya and Syria just as the French "New (pseudo-) Philosophers" like Alain Finkelkraut played a key role in unleashing these monsters against Bosnia. So here is the key point I will stress in bold: the Takfiri maniacs who committed all the murders in France are NOT "children" of the "Islamic Umma" but of the French deep-state and the Anglo-Zionist Empire. They "own" these freaks, not Hassan Nasrallah or Ramzan Kadyrov!

Third, the propaganda machine of the AngloZionist Empire is telling us that "Islam is the enemy" or that "Islam is not compatible with western values". But to prove their point they use examples which prove nothing: the example of the Takfiri crazies unleashed, I will never cease to repeat it, by the AngloZionists. The merits and faults of Islam as a religion have nothing to do with the events of Paris. Nothing. Takfirism is to Islam what Nazism is to the Western civilization: a vicious and pathological expression of demonic hatred masquerading as the defense of a culture/civilization/religion. Nazism does not "prove" that the West is inherently evil and Takfirism does not prove that about Islam. Now, please pay attention, it *might* be that there is something really wrong (or not) with western civilization or Islam, but you cannot prove that by using the example of Nazism or Takfirism.

[Sidebar: contrary to what a lot of dishonest or plain stupid people accused me of doing, I am NOT an apologist for Islam. As a matter of fact, one of my biggest problems with Islam is its support for the death penalty (which I oppose) and especially its support of the death penalty for blasphemers and apostates (which I find absurd). All I said was that when you deeply offend 1.6 billion people - regardless of who these 1.6 billion people are or what they believe in - you will always and inevitably find 1-5 willing to kill you for doing so. I was not condoning anything, I was explaining it!! How friggin stupid (or dishonest!) not to be able to tell the difference between the two...]

Full article: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.fr/

[naste.de.lumina]

Calls for an EU Superstate Intelligence Agency Follow Hebdo Attack… As Planned

Bilderberg insider and EU Commissioner Viviane Reding launched plans to transform the EU’s Intelligence Analysis Centre (INTCEN) into a full-blown EU superstate spy agency back in 2013.

Were the Paris terror shootings a false flag? The lack of blood seen in footage of the incident, along with plenty of other, typical factors suggest as much.

What else is new?

But what is often equally telling with signature staged events, as Paris may well have been, is the political agenda to justify power that emerges in the wake of violence, bloodshed and tragedy.

The Peninsula is reporting on calls by the Italian Prime Minister to set up a new European Union-wide intelligence agency that would establish even greater broad powers for the already undemocratic European superstate government.

Italy’s Prime Minister Matteo Renzi called Friday for the European Union to have its own intelligence agency following the bloodiest attack on French soil in half a century.

“We have the common currency and we must also have a common security and intelligence system. Europe must be united against terrorism”, the premier said, according to Italian media reports.

Source: http://whatreallyhappened.com/conten...#axzz3OpDrfitl

[Cidersomerset]

Turkish president accuses 'the West' of being behind Charlie Hebdo attacks
and deliberately 'blaming Muslims' as conspiracy theories sweep the Internet
accusing Israel of orchestrating it

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rating-it.html

Turkey is a NATO member and is involved with the attacks on Syria and
has reasons not to see the Kurds get to powerfull in the region as as
the former imperial power in the region during the Ottoman empire
days.It has a large Kurdish population in its borders which it has
been in conflict with factions for decades. It is mainly a muslim
country and although muslims have been killing muslims for ever
just like any other religions in the hundreds of wars down the centuries.
Suddenly over the last 20 years its as if this is new .

So if there is talk of war on Islam sooner or later Turkey will stand
up for her natural leanings, even if they have been on relative
amicable terms with Israel even after some diplomatic fallout when
a relief ship for Gaza was boarded by Israeli special force
killing some Turkish nationals a few years ago......



4 June 2010 Last updated at 03:17
Turkey mourns dead Gaza activists


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10226151

Injured activists being brought to land by Israeli soldiers

Breaking News – Israeli raid on Flotilla Aid Ships minute by minute

31 Mayıs, 2010 | 19:22

Breaking News – The Israel Defense Forces (IDf) have attacked a Flotilla
by the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH), transporting aids to the
Gaza strip in the early hours of the morning on Monday. It is alleged
that at least 16 people have been killed onboard the Mavi Marmara
the lead ship of the Flotilla.

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/break...inute-25626587

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Turkish president accuses ‘the West’ of being behind Charlie Hebdo attacks and
deliberately ‘blaming Muslims’ as conspiracy theories sweep the Internet accusing
Israel of orchestrating it

Wednesday 14th January 2015 at 09:40 By David Icke



‘The President of Turkey has suggested French security forces are to blame for the
deadly terrorist attacks in Paris last week, since the culprits had recently served
prison sentences.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan accused the West of ‘playing games with the Islamic world’, warning fellow Muslims to be ‘aware’.

Erdogan said Muslims are ‘paying the price’ for the attacks on satirical magazine
Charlie Hebdo and a Jewish kosher supermarket in Paris last week.’

Read more: Turkish president accuses 'the West' of being behind Charlie Hebdo
attacks and deliberately 'blaming Muslims' as conspiracy theories sweep the
Internet accusing Israel of orchestrating it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rating-it.html

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Rothschild Zionist Lieberman: Turn Outrage Over Charlie Hebdo Into World War
Against Islam

Wednesday 14th January 2015 at 09:32 By David Icke



‘Former Democrat and Senator Joe Lieberman has taken to the pages of the Wall
Street Journal to call for a global war on Islam.

Lieberman writes that “the inspiring unity that filled the streets of Paris on Sunday
in defense of freedom” must be “transformed into the mighty unity that is
necessary now to defeat radical Islam before it kills more people and takes away
more freedom.”

Nations must exploit the outrage produced by terrorist attacks to officially declare
war, Lieberman writes.’

Read more: Rothschild Zionist Lieberman: Turn Outrage Over Charlie Hebdo Into
World War Against Islam

http://www.prisonplanet.com/lieberma...nst-islam.html

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Israeli Media Steps up Propaganda War against Syria, Hezbollah and Iran

Wednesday 14th January 2015 at 09:35 By David Icke





‘Former White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama and the current
Mayor of Chicago, Rahm Emanuel once said “You never want a serious crisis to go
to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you
could not do before.”

Der Spiegel’s report on Syria’s alleged nuclear weapons program titled ‘Assad’s
Secret: Evidence Points to Syrian Push for Nuclear Weapons’ is a true testimony to
what Emanuel meant. The terror attacks in the offices of the French satirical weekly
newspaper Charlie Hebdo took place on January 7th; two days later Der Spiegel’s
report is published. The timing is perfect. Israeli media is running with it. The Tel-
Aviv based www.ynetnews.com published an article titled ‘Syrian rebels:
Iranian officers spotted near site of reported nuclear facility’ which confirms Der
Spiegel’s accusations:’

Read more: Israeli Media Steps up Propaganda War against Syria, Hezbollah and Iran

http://silentcrownews.com/wordpress/?p=3623

[Desire]

The USA and CIA are in every country whether they want us or not. This is an attempt to radicalize Americans against muslims

to create what, you guest it, more wars.

[Cidersomerset]

As I said above Turkey has always had its own agendas in the region.

Night at Museum: Turkish president Erdogan's ceremonial guard at Anakara palace

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VnTRwh1HFoM

Published on 13 Jan 2015

The President of the State of Palestine Mahmoud Abbas was welcomed by Turkish President
Recep Tayyip Erdogan and 16 guards dressed as warriors representing various empires in
Turkey's history on Monday at the Turkish presidential palace Ak Saray ('White Palace') in Ankara.

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Turkey bans media reports on arms delivery to Syria militants

new Thursday 15th January 2015 at 07:08 By David Icke


[IMG]http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/censor-this-****.jpg[/IMG]

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PRESS TV....




‘The Turkish government has warned the media against publishing
reports that the country’s National Intelligence Organization, MİT,
delivered arms in 2014 to foreign-backed militants operating in Syria.

Turkey’s Supreme Board of Radio and Television on Wednesday
recalled a March 2014 government decree under which the
coverage of the arms delivery allegations was banned.

The imposed media blackout includes Turkish newspapers,
television, websites and social media.’

Read more: Turkey bans media reports on arms delivery to Syria militants

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01...livery-reports

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CCTV: Alleged Paris terror suspect Hayat Boumeddiene in Istanbul airport 'en route to Syria'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rHtkZNtrF0c

Published on 13 Jan 2015


CCTV footage emerged on Monday allegedly showing Paris Charlie Hebdo suspect Hayat Boumeddiene
passing through passport control at Istanbul's Sabiha Gokcen Airport. Wearing the hijab, she is in the
company of a male with long, black hair who appears to be in his 30s. The footage was recorded on January 2.


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Vicious circle of extremism’ & Charlie Hebdo bestseller

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y8bW3zCcRdo

Published on 14 Jan 2015


The 5mn print post-attack Charlie Hebdo special edition is selling out across France, but is once again proving
controversial. While Muslim leaders are antagonized, Al Akhbar journalist Yazan Al-Saadi discusses what the
future may hold for Charlie Hebdo. 

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‘France has serious issues with racism rather than with Islam’

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iTRBbt-AG40

Published on 14 Jan 2015


French police arrest 54, accused of ‘defending terrorism’. Yvonne Ridley,
journalist, vice-president of the European Muslim League, on CharlieHebdo aftermath

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US backs Russian bid to host Syrian peace talks in Moscow, ‘anti-ISIS campaign not working’

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c7_fDlhWwg4

Published on 14 Jan 2015


Russia has offered to host a meeting between the Syrian government and
opposition - in the hope of reaching a breakthrough in the long-running conflict.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has voiced support for Russia's initiative.

[Jean-Luc]

Famous american-jewish historian and critic of Israel, Norman Finkelstein reacts to the motto "Je suis Charlie".

I am Der Sturmer?

On Wednesday, January 14th, 2015 in Uncategorized.

Norman G. Finkelstein

The Nazi publication Der Sturmer, edited by Julius Streicher, was notorious for its obscene anti-Semitic caricatures.

Imagine if a pair of Jewish brothers, distraught at the death and destruction that had befallen the Jewish people, barged into the newspaper’s offices and murdered members of its staff.

Would we hold up as martyrs and heroes those who chose to mock the deeply held beliefs of a suffering and despised people; to degrade, demean, insult and humiliate Jews in their hour of trial, when the world they had known was disintegrating around them?

Imagine if a million Berliners turned out to mourn the political pornographers.

Would we applaud this display of solidarity?

Streicher was sentenced to death in the Nuremberg Trial.

It is not reported that many in the enlightened West shed tears.

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2015/01...n-der-sturmer/

Guerrilla technique 101: Villify & demonize your target by all means.

A common aspect of most imperial wars of conquest is that the people of the target nation or region are portrayed as sub-human by the imperial power and its media. In the past this had led otherwise decent people 'back home' to turn a blind eye to the deaths of innocent civilians in far-off (or not-so-far-off) lands. For example, the following image was one among many similar depictions of Irish people that appeared in the popular Punch magazine during Britain's colonization of Ireland:
http://www.sott.net/article/291316-Imperial-Designs

[cuitlahuac]

Furthermore, I think that our community will suffer from a lot of attacks, defections and personal attacks. What the AngloZionists are trying to organize right now is an anti-Muslim lynchmob, their famous "clash of civilizations" and I cannot stand for that. I will not be a bystander to that abomination and I will try has hard as I can to denounce it for the immoral, stupid fraud it is. Not because I am a "closet Islamist" or because I support murdering reporters, but because I categorically refuse to join any lynch mob and because I categorically reject the notion of a clash of civilizations.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.fr/201...y-and-all.html

[Jean-Luc]

Post https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post923155 updated.

Reason : time lag on tweeter between Paris & (probably) headquarters of Twitter, i.e. 11:52 = 20:52.

[ulli]

For your info, I just came across another version of what happened. Some of it worth considering. Some of it over the top.
Personally, i have never been a Charlie, and even though Muslims killed over 20,000 Bahais
I would not deliberately attack their beliefs system.
Standup comedy and satire, like many other scenes, are going too far, in my view.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=krhKIUp8xT4

But anyone who puts a video on youtube, going through that effort, has a lesser or greater agenda.